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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: Giles on January 29, 2010, 12:01:16 PM
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D.odora
D.bholua 'Limpsfield'
D.bholua 'Rupina La'
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D.jezoensis
D.'Spring Herald'
D.papyracea
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Haven't seen 'Rupina La' before. Very interesting...
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Very nice indeed Giles. Another reason why this Forum should have a "smell" option!
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Wow, you must be having better weather than me. D. odora here is looking distinctly scorched and I haven't spotted any buds opening yet. I'll be sure to check tomorrow though.
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Great,I was missing daphnes here.
Even my garden is now under 30 cm of snow and some night we have -20 degrees. here are some older pictures.
DAPHNE ARBUSCULA ALBIFLORA
D. CNEORUM PYGMEA ESCHMANN DETAIL
Snow carpet detail
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Hello Jiri! Good to see you in the forum
Giles, can you tell us more about Daphne bholua 'Rupina La'?
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Dear Mark,
re 'Rupina La' :
It's a wild collection; tends not to shed much leaf in the Winter; is the darkest coloured bholua around but unfortunately is not hardy.
I bought it from Blackthorn last Summer and it has been in flower continuously since then, though the flowers produced over the Summer were a lot paler.
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So good to see you Daphne photos Giles and Jiri - still wondering which small ones would like it in my rockery here ::) Maybe snow carpet ::)
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Some D.odora cultivars:
'Mae Jima'
'Rebecca'
'Rubra Variegata'
'Walberton'
'Aureomarginata'
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A yet-to-be-identified wild collection:
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After having all flowers destroyed in the cold weather my Daphne bholua bought as Jacqueline Postill but more likely Gurkha has burst in to flower again over the last few days. Is it possible secondary buds developed?
Giles you must have the best scented garden in your town
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Lovely pics Giles. I think I have flower buds on my Jacqueline Postill.
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Thankyou for the compliments, David.
Mark: 'Gurkha' should have a very strong upright habit. Mine is like a bean-pole.
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Mark, that looks like Jacqueline Postill.
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Giles,
You're taking off "en force" for the new season !!
Wonderful series and what a variation !
Thanks for showing !! :D
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It occurred to me that the first three of your pics in the post above Giles, looked pretty much the same, for all their different names. Is there much difference when the bushes are compared?
I do like the unidentified white very much.
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The differences are mainly down to patterns of variegation on the leaves - which are most obvious in the Summer.
The 'unknown' was from RW's extensive collection of 'unknowns'.
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This is my ?Jacqueline Postill. It drops it's leaves every winter
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Mark,you can prune Jacqueline Postill immediately after flowering if you want to keep it more compact, you will also get more flowers.
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what about the rumours they will die?
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My brother in Wexford has one in his front garden and I hard prune it every other year. I use a lot of the prunings for grafts.
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No cuttings with Daphne, Michael ?
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Jacqueline Postill is difficult and slow from cuttings,grafts are much quicker. :)
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what about the rumours they will die?
Never believe rumours Mark. :)
I bought 'Jacqueline Postill' at last year's NZAGS show but it shows no sign of grafting and I suspect it may be a seedling. It hasn't flowered yet and is just a tuft of leaves at the top of a 50cms stem.
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I don't find Daphne cuttings too difficult, but they're certainly slow. The one I can't do is D. odora. Not a single one has ever made a root.
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A friend said me he was putting a black "adhesive ribbon" on the stems he wants take as cuttings ; the wood becomes more tender under the ribbon. Afterwards he cuts the stem below the ribbon and inserts tender part in free draining "mixture". Hope you understand what I mean ::) ;D ;D ;D
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A friend said me he was putting a black "adhesive ribbon" on the stems he wants take as cuttings ; the wood becomes more tender under the ribbon. Afterwards he cuts the stem below the ribbon and inserts tender part in free draining "mixture". Hope you understand what I mean ::) ;D ;D ;D
Know what you mean Nicole, in fact we were discussing this at a Peony Society meeting on Saturday and are going to try an experiment rooting 'tree' peonies with this technique, which has been highly successful in lilacs as reported in The Plantsman
Ref; New Life for Lilac by Spence Gunn in The Plantsman Vol 4, Part 1 (March 2005) p. 21-23
This is taken from a summary that I'm going to include in the next Peony Society newsletter.
I’ve since been reading an article in The Plantsman journal about rooting cuttings of lilacs (Syringa vulgaris) which can be notoriously difficult. They have found that cuttings taken from new shoots that have been deprived of light so that they etiolate, form roots much more readily and the roots themselves are more vigorous and fibrous. They suggest cutting 2.5 x 2.5cm squares of black Velcro dusting the inside with hormone rooting powder and fixing them around new shoots in spring (early April through to July, depending on cultivar). The Velcro is left on for 4 weeks then cuttings taken from just below where the Velcro was. (The important thing is to exclude light so I suspect black duct tape would work as well) Cuttings of S. vulgaris 'Michel Bucher' treated this way had 90-100% success rate compared with 0-50% for untreated cuttings.
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Very interesting Gail :D Thanks ;)
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Daphne mezereum, dwarf form.
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A friend said me he was putting a black "adhesive ribbon" on the stems he wants take as cuttings ; the wood becomes more tender under the ribbon. Afterwards he cuts the stem below the ribbon and inserts tender part in free draining "mixture". Hope you understand what I mean ::) ;D ;D ;D
This probably equates to a technique used by an old (late) friend for woody plants which has very short stems available for propagating, in particular, some of the willows such a x Boydii and reticulata. She put potted plants in a shaded tunnel and watered well through spring and summer, then in early autumn when new, softer and somewhat etoliated growths had been formed, she removed these as cutting material with 100% success.
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Daphne mezereum, dwarf form.
Wow! Wonderful plant!
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I noticed yesterday that my more compact (of 2) D. petraea 'Persebee' has a few flowers on its sunnier side, way out of season. Happily, the whole plant is covered in very small tight incipient bud clusters, for spring.
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Daphne collina
Daphne x goodsoniae 'Hinton'
Daphne wolongensis 'Miyalou'
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Daphne calcicola 'Sichuan Gold' (soon)
Daphne genkwa (Hackenberry (upright) Form)
A fragrant cloud of Daphnes
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Is Daphne Hackenberry named after Don Hackenberry? He used to email me with brilliant descriptions of his plants. I havent heard from him in years. Is he still about?
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I don't know, Mark.
I just read what's on the label!
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Your Daphnes are wonderful to see Giles, they always look so healthy AND heavily scented :)
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Here's my Daphne mezereum (not so prostrate) white form. Can I pinch the tips to form flowering side shoots further down the stem?
And D. blagyana Brenda Anderson
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Lovely Daphnes Giles and Mark. My D. bholua 'Jacqueline Postill' hasn't flowered.
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Mark, lovely D. blagyana Brenda Anderson 8).
I would have no chance taking any pictures today I would have been blown away, well if it was a huge gust or then again maybe a hurricane.. I am not a light weight ::)
Angie :)
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A couple of pics of Daphne alpina flowering out of season in autumn ( as it has for the last 3 years)-as well as in spring!
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cheers
fermi
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Fermi, is it strongly scented? Great that it flowers twice for you in the year, is that about as big as it grows?
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Fermi when I see the size of your plant it makes me think I should not have planted mine in a trough but after 5 years it is only 16 inches 40cm high
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There is supposed to be a dwarf form of D. alpina, is there not?
Mark, if you pinch out the tips you'll just lose those flowers. You certainly wouldn't get lower, branching stems this season and maybe not at all. D. mezereum is naturally leggy and upright. Be very grateful for what you have there. :D
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Fermi, is it strongly scented? Great that it flowers twice for you in the year, is that about as big as it grows?
Hi Robin,
I don't find it strongly scented - you have to get close to get a whiff of scent. It stands about 22 inches high at present but is growing slowly; I've been told that it isn't the dwarf form of D. alpina but it suits the position in the rock garden and doesn't look out of place.
cheers
fermi
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Daphne sericea
Daphne cneorum 'Thorenc'
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Fermi, is it strongly scented? Great that it flowers twice for you in the year, is that about as big as it grows?
Hi Robin,
I don't find it strongly scented - you have to get close to get a whiff of scent. It stands about 22 inches high at present but is growing slowly; I've been told that it isn't the dwarf form of D. alpina but it suits the position in the rock garden and doesn't look out of place.
cheers
fermi
It certainly looks great in your rockery, Fermi, but maybe a little big for mine and I would prefer more scent - thanks anyway.
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Giles - I love the softly hairy leaves on the Daphne sericea, how big does this one get? And Happy Birthday by the way!
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Thankyou, Gail.
Mine's about 18" after 3yrs, but it can get to 4'.
There are 'Turkish' and 'Cretan' forms around.
Here's Daphne x susannae 'Anton Fahndrich':
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Happy Birthday from me too Giles...there are some glorious old Magnolia trees covered in flowers in Martigny and I thought of you - I'll take a photo!
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Daphne x susannae 'Tage Lundell'
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I like that one Giles. Did you see that Robin White won a first at Exeter with 'Tage Lundell'
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Thankyou for that David - have just looked at your photograph of it (which I had missed).
I think it's a case, of I've got the right plant, but lack the lifetime of hard won experience.... (yet)...
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Giles, at least you have one part of the equation ;D
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Daphne x susannae 'Lawrence Crocker'
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Today's Daphnes:
Daphne petraea 'Lydora' (1 and 2, tiny plants)
Daphne collina
Daphne tangutica
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Daphne arbuscula 'Diva'
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D. arbuscula 'Diva' (better now)
D. calcicola 'Gang Ho Ba'' with 'Sichuan Gold' in background.
D. petraea 'Persebee'
D. cneorum 'Benaco'
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D. x eschmannii 'Jacob Eschmann'
D. x mantensiana 'Audrey Vockins'
D. arbuscula 'Grandiflora'
D. x burkwoodii 'G. K. Argles'
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D. x burkwoodii 'Albert Burkwood'
D. 'Rosy Wave'
D. 'Pink Star'
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Giles, all your Daphnes are so appealing in your photographs....it's almost impossible to find one to single out but
D. x mantensiana 'Audrey Vockins' is superb in tight packed flower coming out and the attractive leaf margin :)
D. cneorum 'Benaco' is a really great pink - and with the light shining on it has a special quality I like too 8)
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Giles, what are the parentages for 'Rose Wave' & 'Pink Star'?
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Malcolm,
Firstly, my apologies, as it should have been Rosy Wave (I've corrected it now)
'Pink Star' = D. x burkwoodii 'Somerset' x D.cneorum 'Eximea'
'Rosy Wave' = D.x burkwoodii 'Somerset' x D.collina
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A very impressive series Giles !!! :o :o
You may soon run out of space in your greenhouse as all your Daphnes seem to flourish extremely well ! ;D
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Daphne x burkwoodii 'Carol Mackie'
Daphne x burkwoodii 'Golden Treasure'
Daphne x thauma 'Reginald Farrer'
Daphne gemmata
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Daphne arbuscula 'Muran Pride'
Daphne cneorum 'Lacs des Gloriettes'
Daphne 'Cheriton'
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My Daphnes are very late this year, here are a few just starting to flower.
Daphne rollsdorfii wilhelm Schacht.
Daphne Napolitana enigma.
Daphne Napolitana stasek.
Daphne hinton.
Daphne Kath Dryden.
Daphne Hendersonii Blackthorn Rose.
Daphne rollsdorfii Arnold Cihlarz.
Daphne x burkwoodii Golden treasure.
Daphne kilmeston beauty.
Daphne x whiteorum Beauworth
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A few more.
Daphne beulah cross
Daphne petraea grandiflora
Daphne perfume of spring
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Daphne x burkwoodii 'Carol Mackie'
Daphne x burkwoodii 'Golden Treasure'
Daphne x thauma 'Reginald Farrer'
Daphne gemmata
Lovely leaf variation in these Daphne, Giles, D. gemmata is a gem :)
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Michael, a wonderful collection of Daphnes, even if rather late flowering, they are superb and the colour of Daphne rollsdorfii Arnold Cihlarz is very striking, I love it.
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Gorgeous Daphne everybody !!
Daphne x susannae 'Anton Fahdrich' does very well at the moment !! :D
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It certainly does Luc - what a super Daphne, loving it on your stone wall - I bet it smells good as you pass :)
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D. petraea 'Tremalzo'
D.cneorum 'Leila Haines'
D.cneorum 'Puzsta'
D. x hendersonii 'Marion White'
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D.gemmata
D. x suedermannii 'Franz Suedermann'
D.malyana
D.alpina
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Giles, I think the vibes are getting through as your Daphne gemmata is clearly meant for me with a surname of Gemmill and it is such a fabulous plant - can you fill me in with size/scent etc
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The little whites are exceptionally beautiful, especially the white D. petraea. :P
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Dear Robin,
My D.gemmata is just a small cutting at the moment, but Wisley have got one about 2 foot high on their rock garden.
It doesn't have a fragrance I'm afraid. Hardiness might be a problem for you (in the Alps), but not a problem here.
Giles
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Thanks for your reply Giles - I think I will have to make a trip to Wisley ;D
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Fabulous collection Giles !
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May I turn you back to early spring? :)
Daphne Kathe Dryden
(http://cs9312.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/20107304/x_4df7c602.jpg)
Daphne julia Apple Blossom
(http://cs9312.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/20107304/x_2188246c.jpg)
Daphne cneorum Marion White
(http://cs10081.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/20107304/x_db78ca29.jpg)
Daphne julia Variegata
(http://cs10081.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/20107304/x_ddeedb81.jpg)
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Daphne burkwoodii flowering now - bought 12 or so years ago from Pottertons, it is one of the easiest daphnes to please and very rewarding.
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Some great looking plants there. My old faithfuls all did their stuff and 'Eternal Fragrance' is still going, but for some reason not a single flower on D. arbuscula this spring. Just lots of leaves.
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Daphne burkwoodii flowering now - bought 12 or so years ago from Pottertons, it is one of the easiest daphnes to please and very rewarding.
Superb display,Gail, and I imagine a wonderful smell :D
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Did I mention that there are quite a few fab Daphnes in the May issue of International Rock Gardener? 8)
http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/index.php?log=international
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Can anyone ID this one please. Looks like a form of Daphne mezereum.
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Can anyone ID this one please. Looks like a form of Daphne mezereum.
Wow! :o
Michael,
is this a spontaneous sport into variegation or did you buy it like that?
I wonder what a full sized plant of it would look like?
cheers
fermi
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Fermi.it was grown from seed,and as I grow thousands of seedlings I have no idea where the seed came from, as I do not keep records of the seed source of Daphne.
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Fermi.it was grown from seed,and as I grow thousands of seedlings I have no idea where the seed came from, as I do not keep records of the seed source of Daphne.
Thanks, Michael.
That's even better - you've got the PVR or whatever they call the "breeding rights" over there.
It looks better than some of the Berberis which have similar variegation.
cheers
fermi
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€€€€€€€€ ;D ;D ;D ;D
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:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
I think I always do that when I see everyone's Daphne over there. Stunning, everyone. Michael and Giles..... you've got some absolute JEWELS! Congrats Michael on that variegated seedling.... very striking. The 'Golden Treasure' that you have both posted has the strongest yellow variegation.... must be gorgeous in person. And the flowers on the rollsdorfi variants. Wow! :o
Thanks so much everyone. 8)
Nothing near as interesting in Daphne here at present of course, but I do have some lovely seedlings coming along from SRGC benefactors who sent me seed.... in a few years I should hopefully have some interesting flower photos to post as well. ;D
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Daphne jasminea (very easy and reliable)
D. x thauma
D. 'Ernst Hauser'
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Daphne jasminea (very easy and reliable)
Ooo Giles, that is lovely, one to look out for, has it a good scent?
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Robin,
Sadly not, but it flowers twice a year: in the Spring, on old wood; and again, now, on new wood.
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Sad about the scent bonus but I really like the foliage as well, Giles, and two lots of flowering is terrific :)
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These are really lovely but I thought D. jasminea was one of the tricky ones?
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..it can't be, I've had it for quite a while ;)
A jasminea hybrid, 'Forach' (arbuscula x jasminea), with the same pointy flowers.
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Lesley, D. jasminea is since several years doing well on my exposed, raised bed.
Just this spring I had only a few flowers after the hard winter. Picture is from another year.
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You know John Richard's tale of D. jasminea, how he and some others climbed for hours to its known habitat but never saw it, then as they returned to their vehicle in the Delphi rubbish dump, found it growing and flowering by the wheel of the car. I have a wonderful slide of it somewhere, in that same place, but could take a month to find then I'd have to get it scanned. Maybe...
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Daphne petraea seedling, (first flowering).
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Is there are well defined list of species that are self-fertile? My D. tangutica is covered in berries again but nothing else has ever produced a single seed.
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Well, as to "self-fertile" I don't know but Brickell and Mathew say that these are the ones "which set seed reasonably freely in cultivation" .....
Daphne acutiloba
D. alpina
D. altaica
D. caucasica
D. euboica
D. giraldii
D. gnidium
D. laureola
D. laureola ssp. philippi
D. lonilobata
D. mezureum
D. mezureum var. alba
D. oleoides
D. pontica
D. retusa
D. tangutica
.... hope that is of help to someone!
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- wolongensis, bholua and papyracea also set seed quite well.
Here:
D. x whiteorum 'Warnford'
D. x whiteorum 'Kilmeston' (x2)
Un-named cneorum x jasminea cross.
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Thanks. I thought maybe there was a well known set of self-sterile or self-fertile plants, but it seems not. Obviously some cultivars are likely to be effectively sterile. Maybe some species are common enough or promiscuous enough that they frequently get pollinated. D. tangutica certainly seems to come true from seed although I've never seen another one anywhere near.
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Does anybody have any advice on germinating bhoula seed?
I harvested seed Sept/Oct 2009 and sowed immediately. No success as yet?
Plant is in full flower at present so expect some more seeds if the current downpour in Hobart hasn't stripped everything bare.
First useful rain for months so shouldn't complain .
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The book on Daphnes by Chris Brickell and Brian Mathew says that many daphne seeds need a period of cold treatment (stratification) of around three months to encourage germination. In the case of Daphne bholua, however, they tell of fresh seed of being sown in June which germinated within six weeks. They also relate the case of year old seeds being sown in March of D. gnidium and D. acutiloba which germinated in only eight weeks.
The authors are, of course, giving their advice from a UK perspective.
They say that as a general rule daphne seeds should be stratified unless the species are not hardy in the UK, saying that " even then it may well bethat, although tender in cultivation here, in their native habitat the species concerned are subject to cold conditions and that their tenderness is due to other factors"
They go on to say that daphne seed does best when harvested just before the berry appeards fully ripe, the fleshy portion of the berry removed and the seed sown straight away. It seems there is less delayed germination with that approach. They do not recommend the dry storage of daphne seed, "except possibly in a refrigerator" in moist sand.
This little book is "Daphne- The genus in the wild and in cultivation" and is from the 1981reprint ISBN 0 900048 23 9 by C.D.Brickell and B. Mathew.
You may be able to source a copy online if you're interested.
They have some advice on compost etc too.... if you like I can photograph those pages and email them to you.
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Maggi that info would be GREAT!! I will also try and source the publication.
You constantly amaze me. Your knowledge seems to exceed your commitment to the forum if that is possible.
Do you do any housework?
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oooops !! I have just realised I have been both sexist and seriously insensitive.
APOLOGIES!!!
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that'll cost you in chocolate!
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Wonderful to see your latest Daphne flowerings, Giles, and special congratulations on your Daphne petraea seedling flowering sweetly for the first time :D
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Do you do any housework?
I do like to think my vocabulary is pretty extensive but you've got me quite flummoxed on that one, John...... "housework" ??? :-\
No, I really don't know what you mean.... I'm not a house builder .... is that the track you're on? ::)
Don't worry, too much, John.... there are valid excuses for your "error".... you're male and from Australia ..... ;D
yours faithfully,
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Maggi you are so quick - thanks for another laugh.
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Apologies to Giles for this digression on his Daphne thread.... :-*
I do feel I must clarify matters on this housework business (I've just had a look in the dictionary).... indeed, I do do housework- only last winter I used the vacuum cleaner. (Well, it may have been the winter before..... time flies you know!)
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To John Kitt: sorry for the delay.... have just emailed those pages off to you.
M
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Who needs Christmas Holly when you've got Daphne tangutica.
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Fair enough, but will they be there at Christmas? ??? Actually, for us they probably will be. :)
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Probably not. The birds take them pretty quickly. This year I think there were just too many for them to take all at once. Or maybe they take one and die? I've seen Daphne berries listed as poisonous to birds although I find it hard to believe.
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Daphne alpina is now starting its spring flowering season ;D
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This is one of three bushes grown from seed and sitting out in the blazing sun in the rock gardens!
cheers
fermi
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Fermi,
Do they set seed for you? Given you've got 3 seedlings I figure the chances are high? I rather like the idea of a Daphne that flowers twice, so would like to beg seed/layering/something to grow here?
Not long ago I finished the annual butchery of my Daphne odora..... a white flowered one I took my usual 30cm or so of growth off, to keep it a bit more compact. I realised today that I forgot to do the variegated one, so now I am unsure whether to do it or not as I feel bad about cutting off all that wonderful growth it has made the effort to produce so well. ;D
Lovely the see the Daphne's everyone. Thanks for posting. 8)