Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: johnw on January 24, 2010, 04:38:11 PM
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I have taken 25 years to tackle this mess.
ID #1
These were received many years ago as "ikariae (?)" ex Don Armstrong.
johnw
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ID#2
These were received as "Latifolius (as ikariae) ?" ex Don Armstrong.
Leaves very dark green and shiny. I don't recall the flowers.
johnw
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ID#3
Received simply as "Latifolius Group (grey)" ex Al Smith. Puzzling as he has a huge patch of elwesii and certainly knew the name in the early 90's when he gave me this. Why he called it this baffles me but to me it's straight elwesii.
johnw
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ID#4
Received as "Latifolius (type #2) smaller".
johnw
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woronowii and I'm sure others will agree tend to have small marks that can be two marks at the sinus or a fat bold B. I'll look up some photos
I agree your ID 3 look mlike elwesii
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woronowii and I'm sure others will agree tend to have small marks that can be two marks at the sinus or a fat bold B. I'll look up some photos
Which one?
johnw
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couldnt tell you without seeing the inside.
The books says about ikariae - it is not variable in cultivation with most having a green mark taking extending to 1/3rd to .5 of the inner petal. Aaron Davis says the mark is always large surface area
woronowii has a mark that takes up 1/5th. Aaron Davis says the mark is most often two distinct marks. a more or less horseshoe or a larger flat top or very reduced. I've never seen the horseshoe
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Do you have a copy of Aaron Davis book Galanthus?
http://www.amazon.ca/Genus-Galanthus-Botanical-Magazine-Monograph/dp/0881924318/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1264355920&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.ca/Genus-Galanthus-Botanical-Magazine-Monograph/dp/0881924318/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1264355920&sr=1-1)
188 Canadian dollars :o
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Do you have a copy of Aaron Davis book Galanthus?
http://www.amazon.ca/Genus-Galanthus-Botanical-Magazine-Monograph/dp/0881924318/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1264355920&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.ca/Genus-Galanthus-Botanical-Magazine-Monograph/dp/0881924318/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1264355920&sr=1-1)
188 Canadian dollars :o
I do but got it for considerably less than that when it first came out. A bit confusing on the woronwii/ikariae front - on various pages medium green/dark green/shiny/matte. Now wonder I have avoided this business. ???
johnw
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Here's a good selection of my woronowii photos
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Here's a pic of mine from the old forum showing typical ikariae. The clump is a little drawn up because it was growing in a shady spot. Usually a bit shorter than this.
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Here's a typical ikariae flower and the leaf of the cultivar Seersucker and Butts Form
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... I do have a photo of a wornowii with a horseshoe mark or is it ikariae ???
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... I do have a photo of a wornowii with a horseshoe mark or is it ikariae ???
It's woronowii. The shape of the outer segments is wrong for ikariae. Too rounded. Ikariae always has long, pointed outer segments. Also the proportion of outer segment length to inner segment length is wrong for ikariae.
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Unfortunately the clump of ikariae I photographed a few years ago was hit by disease a couple of years ago and I only managed to save a couple of bulbs, which I'm building back up again by chipping. :'(
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Mark's close-ups of ikariae flowers show the typical outer segment shape and proportions very well. Always much, much longer than the inner segments, and pointed, not rounded. I can't be sure without checking the books, but I think the proportions are something like woronowii has outers about twice the length of the inners, while ikariae has outers three times the length of the inners (roughly, but gives an idea of the relative proportions).
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Thanks Martin & Mark. Looks like I have alot of wornowiis. It will be interesting to see if the "smaller" form is significantly different than the others.
Now if I can track down Latifolius #1 to photograph. A firend in Germany was baffled by it. His notes on it are at work. If I get a chance I will post them with shots.
johnw
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I picked this up at the garden centre as Galanthus nivalis last year. I know it is not that but would welcome an identification of it.
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It looks like a well marked woronowii.
My green-tipped woronowii that I got in a garden centre are up for the second time in my garden without green tips :'(
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Mark thank you,that is what I thought. My other woronowii are not through the grit yet and so I thought I would get another opinion.
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I saw a lot of woronowii in garden centres last year labelled as nivalis. I suspect they just buy them in as 'snowdrops' and nivalis is the label they always use. It is a nice healthy example though, and may have a slightly different marking to the ones you already have.