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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Hans A. on January 22, 2010, 11:24:14 AM
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As I did not find an actual topic I start a new one for this year.
Here the first Colchicums are in flower:
Cochicum kesselringii and a promising bud on Colchicum luteum x kesselringii.
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Hans , the colour combination of your Colch. luteum x kesselringii is stunning - is it your own cross or is this hybrid available commercially ?Certainly not in Australia .
Otto.
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Hans, superb specimens, did you grow these from JJA seed?
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Otto, I know the cross has been collected in the wild in Tajikistan by Arnis Seisums but the plant is seldom if ever available commercially.
Ian re-made the cross from the species to obtain our bulbs........
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Congratulation, the remade cross is superb - are there differences in the plants of this cross?
Otto, Chris - both plants I had received from a good friend - maybe the hybrid came originally from Janis - think he offered different clones of this cross some years ago.
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Hans, the cross results are much the same; little or no variation
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Thanks Maggi - have checked PC - he seems to have two different forms?/clones (both out of stock) - Janis and Jeanne.
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Thanks Maggi - have checked PC - he seems to have two different forms?/clones (both out of stock) - Janis and Jeanne.
I've had different clones, they have variation in the width of the stripes. I haven't found them very easy to keep going.
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Nice hybrid indeed
Here two Merendera (so visible at the tube) and Colchicum hungaricum Velebit Star
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Hans I like your kesselringii. Mine flower with their leaves advanced
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Dominique, your Colchicum hungaricum Velebit Star photos 1 & 2 look as if they are the same potfuls but the light makes each look very different in colour....which is the true one or are they different? You grow some amazing plants 8)
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Otto, I know the cross has been collected in the wild in Tajikistan by Arnis Seisums but the plant is seldom if ever available commercially.
Ian re-made the cross from the species to obtain our bulbs........
It was once or twice in my catalogue and at least once in PC catalogue. It could be species C. albertii. I'm attaching scan from Karin Persson's "Nomenclatural synopsis of the genus Colchicum". This hybrid or species is fertile and well set seeds. Arnis selected 3 clones (slightly different) and one of them named 'Janis' for my 50th birthday.
Janis
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Could this be C. hungaricum? It's taller than my others with longer leaves also
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Could this be C. hungaricum? It's taller than my others with longer leaves also
Looks like the cv. Velebit Star to me (white flowers, black anthers)
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Thanks Luc. Does that mean what I have as hungaricum Album is Velebit Star?
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Thanks Luc. Does that mean what I have as hungaricum Album is Velebit Star?
Velebit Star is a white (collected) form of C. hungaricum.
My plants received frost to -8°C in the last couple of weeks and the flowers stayed white !
I don't know if there are other white forms with different caracteristiques...
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PC says this of 'Velebit Star' :-
"A superb form raised from material first found in the Velebit mountains of Croatia.
This flowers reliably, making clusters of weather-resistant blooms in the midst of winter, when the bright palest pink stars, with contrasting black anthers, are valuable."
Dix Export say:-
" COLCHICUM hungaricum 'Velebit Star', pale pink, dark anthers "
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Thanks. I'll relabel my plants today.
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I agree. I bought mine from PC as 'Velebit Star' and it has always been pale pink, but deeper pink after frost.
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PC says this of 'Velebit Star' :-
"A superb form raised from material first found in the Velebit mountains of Croatia.
This flowers reliably, making clusters of weather-resistant blooms in the midst of winter, when the bright palest pink stars, with contrasting black anthers, are valuable."
Dix Export say:-
" COLCHICUM hungaricum 'Velebit Star', pale pink, dark anthers "
If you look at the site of Leonid Bondarenko, you will see a picture with white flowers.
Is more confusion possible ?
It is my believe that a clone shouldn't be variable, or am I wrong ?
Isn't it possible that at least a part of the bulbs in the trade are raised from 2nd or even 3rd
generation seed ? That would explain the variation that we see...
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I don't know whether PC buys his from Dix- but the information I found suggested that 'Velebit Star' was collected by Antoine Hoog. I don't know if this means that Dix should have the 'real' thing. I am not sure if they would be bulked up by seed- in my experience they bulk up quickly from good sized corms.
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Flowering today in a recently uncovered bulb bed- the plant I am growing as Colchicum falcifolium.
Sorry for the glare we still have a lot of snow out there.
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No sign of pink in the flowers of my hungaricum
Here's mirzovae a few minutes apart. The second coloured by the sun. Most anthers for some reason deformed or mouldy
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Here is my Colchicum hungaricum
Colchicum hungaricum albiflorum
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All these Colchicum are lovable!
Alberto
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Flowering today in a recently uncovered bulb bed- the plant I am growing as Colchicum falcifolium.
Sorry for the glare we still have a lot of snow out there.
Simon
Do you have any data regarding your Colchicum?
Im asking because this name contains a complex of a few species which i try to understand..., maybe by knowing its distribution it would be easier to classify them.
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Oron, I believe it is C.falcifolium RRW99.12 from Buried Treasure, but I no longer have their catalogue to check the location.
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I bought a bulb of C. hungaricum 'Valentine' from Tony Dickerson at Birmingham World of Bulbs. It's flowering now. Are colchicums self-fertile or would I need another clone for seed set?
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I'm now very confused with my Colchicum hungaricum
Here is one just up in the last few days with no direct sun. Forced to open today and it is pink.
The pot full are continuing to be white
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Very nice Colchicum photos Mark. By the way, you're looking a bit different today. ;D
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yeah, a lot younger. I found a photo recently
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Mark, do you have some 'potion magique' ??
here are some pics from Colchicum szovitsii subsp. brachyphyllum from Syria,
and Colchicum hungaricum 'velebit star', flowering yesterday because today, lot of snow again....
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Great plants and superb photos, Fred! :o
(see we have the same oxalis ;D ;))
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Hans, I have some spare Oxalis for you, to cross with your clones and get more vigorous plants ;D ;D ;D
If anybody else is interested in... ;)
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What IS that Oxalis? Is it O. acetosella?
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No Lesley,
this is a real weed without O. acetosella flowers ??? >:(
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Despite the cold weather, merendera jolanthae is flowering now in the cold bulbhouse.
This merendera is a small plant (max. 10 cm high) from stony hillsides in the mountains of
Turkmenistan.
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Very nice Colchicums Fred!
Third flowerer of the year for us, what we are growing as Colchicum trigynum.
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Wow that's a stunner, Hristo, enjoying the sun 8)
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Colchicum hungaricum making the most of a day of sun and temperatures near +20c
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Hello,
Here some pictures of Colchicum hungaricum from locus classicus in southern Hungary (slides are from 6th February 2010). It is the only place in Hungary where Colchicum hungaricum was described. Unfortunately we did not see a lot of flowering plants this day (due to the unfavourable weather we had all the day there) but we noted that all plants we saw in this locality were only with snow-white colours. Igor & Pavlina.
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Welcome, Igor ... and Pavlina !
Not easy to find white flowers in all that snow ;D
We look forward to hearing more from you here.... and in the International Rock Gardener! 8)
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Welcome and any thanks for posting, it's great to see familiar plants from their locus classicus. Informs us on how we may best approach the culture of the species.
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Great to see C. hungaricum actually flowering in Hungary - even if the snow has to be removed first... ;D :D
Welcome to the forum Igor and Pavlina !
Don't hesitate to show us more !!
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A colchicum from Nemrut Dag in Eastern Turkey a super mountain for flowers. Most people visit to see the tomb of King Antiochus and the statues with the fabulous stone heads which are over two metres high. These have been shaken of the bodies by earthquakes but are still impressive.
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It looks like it never going to happen this year but finally there are some Colchicums who nearly flowering.
The first two are Colchicum hungaricum 'Velebit Star' ,favourite by many of us as we can see on our forum
The other is luteum 'Vahsh' .
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Colchicum biebersteinii ( syn. Colchicum bulbocodioides ) growing on a south facing slope in the central Danubian Plain.
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Hallo Hristo, the trip for searching Colchicum hungaricum (growing in the nature in southern Hungary) was our first one in this year. We read about this one locality with white "form" of C. hungaricum in the Bulletin of Prague’s AGS last year. To tell the true, we were very wondering to see this species in the original habitat, where botanist Mr. Janka has this Colchicum described. The locality is in the protected area and to find the plants on the hill (between the rocks) is very very difficult. The administrators from the near-by National Park organise three times in the year the field-trips and without their help we could not find anything. As regards the introduction of this "form" of Colchicum hungaricum in the cultivation – we have in plan to ask for a few seeds our friends from NP. Duna-Drava this year. PS: The plants pictured here below are from last year and we received one or two corms from Mr. Norman Stevens cca 7-8 years ago as C. doerfleri (which is practically a synonym of C. hungaricum). Igor & Pavlina.
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Hallo Igor & Pavlina,
Thanks for that information, C.doerfleri is listed for SE Bulgria, we assumed one of the Bulgarian colchicums must be hugaricum but did not know which. In Bulgaria C.doerfleri has the synonym C.bertoloni
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Colchicum biebersteinii ( syn. Colchicum bulbocodioides ) growing on a south facing slope in the central Danubian Plain.
Very nice plant Chris! And a name I did'nt heard that much before.
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My first colchicum for the year is out today. I think it is C. byzantinum and it's a full two months earlier than last year when it didn't start until April. Must have been the good rain we had a couple of weeks ago. This probably means autumn isn't too far away even though we've been having a heat wave for the last 10 days. Last night at midnight the temp was still 24C. Not much sleep.
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Thanks for looking Chris!
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Hello,
here the greek form of C. hungaricum, sometimes called doerfleri.
Sorry for the bad picture, but you can see, that it is deeply colored!
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Hi Herbert,
Great to see a picture of doerfleri, did you notice if the leaves have hairy margins, they appear to have them in your photo. Hoping to see this species in SW Bulgaria where it sneaks accross the border from Greece.
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Hi Hristo,
you are right, the margins are witish from silky hairs!
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The autumn species are starting here in the Southern Hemisphere!
This is Colchicum cilicium
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and again in the morning light!
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cheers
fermi
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Looking great Fermi !!
This also means our Spring is on it's way !! :D :D :D
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A colchicum not featured before (I think) is Colchicum mirzovae. This is apparently a rather rare endemic of Armenia. The flowers are wide open, bluish white with usually back turned tips of petals.
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A form of Colchicum (?)kesselringii with bigger flowers than what we usually see, with cultivar name "Snow of Highland". Looks very different in shape too.
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Colchicum doerfleri is closely related to C. hungaricum
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So nice and bright colour is Colchicum luteum. I'm looking forward having a big clump of this plant....
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So nice and bright colour is Colchicum luteum. I'm looking forward having a big clump of this plant....
Very nice Fred ,this is also one of my favorites .
Today a bit of sunshine here ,but when I finished work and came home the flowers are not open anymore.
Colchicum kesselringii ,triphyllum and szovitsii "large pink form"
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Last year I divided and gave away some Colchicum minutum. They are flowering since the weekend. I hopefully have a colour break. They odd ones look pure white to the eye but the camera shows them as a very pale pink
szovitsii Tivi is looking better than ever
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What colour break were you looking for Mark? The shape of C minutum is very appealing and I imagine less likely to keel over ::)
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Robin I wasn't looking for any. The plants have changed themselves.
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Maybe it's a climate thing Mark. ???
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yes could be. Freeze, thaw, freeze ......
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Today in flower :
Colchicum szovitsii 'large pink form ' and C. hungaricum 'Velebit Star '
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I've got several clones of Colchicum szovitsii. This one has starry shaped flowers similar shape to 'Tivi' but with pink reverse to the petals.
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Kris , your Colch. szovtsii 'large pink form ' is very handsome .
from spring to 3 autumnflowering species blooming here at the moment:
tiny C. pusillum with more than the normal 6 segments ,
C. bivonae,
C. baytopiorum
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This is Colchicum luteum flowering in the sunshine we had a few days ago ;)
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Simon, this is really a nice flower.
Here my Colchicum kesselringii and luteum. A good day for a cross!
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Simon, this is really a nice flower.
Here my Colchicum kesselringii and luteum. A good day for a cross!
I hope you are lucky and get lots of seed :)
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I had the same idea, Udo. Now if only the C.luteum will wait for C.kesselringii, which is some days behind!
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Here my Colchicum kesselringii and luteum. A good day for a cross!
I hope that you have all seen the lovely photo by Jon Evans on the AGS site from the Loughborough show of Colchicum luteum x. kesselringii 'Jeane' , plant exhibited by Robin Pickering.....
http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/discussion/atshows/Loughborough+Show+March+Formal+Photos/360/
It's very nice!
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I hope that you have all seen the lovely photo by Jon Evans on the AGS site from the Loughborough show of Colchicum luteum x. kesselringii 'Jeane' , plant exhibited by Robin Pickering.....
http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/discussion/atshows/Loughborough+Show+March+Formal+Photos/360/
It's very nice!
Oh yes Maggi ,I agree! Thanks for the link.
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Today's pictures :
Bulbocodium vernum
Colchicum triphyllum
Colchicum luteum 'Vahsh'
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I hope that you have all seen the lovely photo by Jon Evans on the AGS site from the Loughborough show of Colchicum luteum x. kesselringii 'Jeane' , plant exhibited by Robin Pickering.....
http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/discussion/atshows/Loughborough+Show+March+Formal+Photos/360/
It's very nice!
And yet another pot of Colchicum szovitsii from yours truly, I didn't seem to get a picture of it myself, but Jon's picture is better than mine would have been
http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/shows/results/shows2010/shows/loughbor/images/Jon_Evans/sizedcolchicum-szovitsii-diane-clement-rbs-award-best-bulb-0528.jpg.html (http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/shows/results/shows2010/shows/loughbor/images/Jon_Evans/sizedcolchicum-szovitsii-diane-clement-rbs-award-best-bulb-0528.jpg.html)
this is a clone with narrower petals than the usual forms, and pure white flowers, I rather like it! - and luckily, so did the judges ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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and luckily, so did the judges
Well, it is rather a corker, Diane ......looking just lovely. Well done!
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The Jon Evans photos in the link Maggi, are truly superb. Brilliant pictures of super plants. I also love the last three of the little girls in the alpine gardens. They are truly delightful. Would love to think cards or larger portraits could become available.
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I hope that you have all seen the lovely photo by Jon Evans on the AGS site from the Loughborough show of Colchicum luteum x. kesselringii 'Jeane' , plant exhibited by Robin Pickering.....
http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/discussion/atshows/Loughborough+Show+March+Formal+Photos/360/
It's very nice!
Using your link Maggi, the Colchicum hybrid is indeed lovely, so are many of the other superb plants highlighted there. I find the Hepatica and naked Asarum displayed without any leaves (cut off) to look totally bizarre and out of place, and the weird "alice in wonderland" composite photos at the end, well, they are even weirder than my avatars!!! What is the context or purpose of those? (sorry Lesley). Somebody has been eating some mushrooms. ???
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and the weird "alice in wonderland" composite photos at the end, well, they are even weirder than my avatars!!! What is the context or purpose of those? (sorry Lesley). Somebody has been eating some mushrooms.
They are just like your avatars, McMark, they are done because they can be, to amuse and entertain 8)
A chance for Jon, who spends so much time in "straight" photography of the show plants to let his hair down and have some fun!
There are classes for this sort of digital camera trickery and these allow folks to explore all sorts of technical possibilities with their digital photos....just another facet of our plant passions..... :)
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That's what I thought Maggi. Just for fun. :)
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Several years ago I received bulbs from a friend, some labeled "Colchicum montanum (doerfleri - pubescent leaved phase)", and others labeled C. montanum (glabrous leaved). I have uploaded a photo taken today of this pubescent plant, is it correctly Merendera doerfleri? Googling, I get lots of hits for both Merendera doerfleri and Colchicum doerfleri, and with some C. montanum mixed in, so I'm confused, although thinking that it is a Merendera.
In my photo, on the right is a very pubescent form with smaller deeper pink flowers, and on the left is a less pubescent form, with hairs finer and mostly on the leaf margins, and with larger paler pink flowers.
The other one, labeled as C. montanum (not pictured here), has leaves now that look very similar although completely glabrous, and flowers in August with pink flowers having long strap-like petals. I am assuming this can stay at Colchicum montanum.
Comments on the C. or M. doerfleri status?
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Your plants look to have very definite tubes, McMark, so I'll stick with the Colchicum appellation, rather than Merendera.... but as to the doerfleri part, I'm not sure.. :-\
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I don't know if it helps, but the poctures I have seen for Colchicum doerfleri in Bulgaria appear to have fine hairs along the leaf margins.
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Not sure if someone posted Bulbocodium vernum in flower yet. Well here it is.
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Good evening Luc, I like very much the spring flowering Colchicums, among others Colchicum bulbocodium. Last weekend I was in souther Hungary and I made these pictures of Colchicum bulbocodium var. versicolor. The albino forms (3 in whole locality) were fascinating. Igor
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The albino is beautiful, Igor.... were they as strong growing as the coloured type, do you think?
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Very nice indeed Igor, are these flowring in large populations? We went to see if we coud find the western populations of C.diampolis in Bulgaria, sadly the range of this species is now severly restricted and the few stations remaining are under threat from changes in land usage. :(
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Some of these spring flowering types are astounding :o I didn't realise the variety that is out there!
The autumn ones here continue, with Colchicum lingulatum
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A similar one I grew from Seedex as C. pusillum which it isn't
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The slugs also liked this Colchicum montanum (syn merendera montana)
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A poor pic of C. corsicum (grown from seed) unfortunately devoured by a slug overnight! -it wouldn't have been more than a mouthful!
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One I got from Otto, Colchicum "Conquest"
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cheers
fermi
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Love Colchicum "Conquest" Fermi the pattern is so delicate - how long do your Colchicum last in the season?
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Don't know why Bulbocodium vernum never made it to our permitted list. It should have been imported years ago. Both white and rosy are very lovely.
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Good evening, very shortly to the Bulbocodium locality in southern Hungary. We were in two places – the first one takes the surface of cca 30x30 metres and there we founded these three albino plants. The second locality is very small and there were only a few plants of C. bulbocodium together with Crocus reticulatus. What about the number of plants (in first place), the safeguard explained us that there is cca 17 plants per m2 and that this population is quite stable. The albino plants we saw were a little bit tenderer as rose form.
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and now some lovely Colchicums we pictured this weekend. Cheers Igor & Pavla
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and now some lovely Colchicums we pictured this weekend. Cheers Igor & Pavla
Igor, Golden Baby is a cute one. Do you have any information on this selection?
The flowers on 'Snow of Highland' and 'Yetti' look similar, what distinguishes these two varieties?
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Hi Mark, both forms (`Yetti` and `Snow of Highlands`) I received from Leonid B. last year, so I had not a lot of possibility to compare both platns as regards the appearance. But what about the flowers, on the first sight I observed that `Yetti ` has very long and narrow petals (cca 20mm long and 5mm wide) and the other difference is that the petals are rounded at the end. Whereas `Snow of Highlands` has the petals broad (7-10mm) and a little bit shorter and the end of each petal is lanceolate (the plant seems as a Crocus). As regards `Golden Baby` - I have no more information then what Leonid writes on his homepage. Cheers Igor
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colchicum bifolium (native species)
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Good evening Zhirair, your plants of C. bifolium are really splendid. I read about this species in Flora of Turkey yesterday and there was shown that it is the synonym of C. szovitsii. Is there a great difference between C. szovitsii and C. bifolium? We grow neither C. szovitsii nor C. bifolium but we would like to try to grow this Colchicum here – do you plan to sell a few corms of C. bifolium this summer? Cheers Igor
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At last the snow has disappeared from the garden. The earliest flowers are there just under the snow. Among those are a couple of Colchicum.
1 Colchicum munzurense. Bulbs from Gothenburg Botanical Garden.
2. Colchicum serpentinum (syn Colchicum falcifolium)
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Most spring Colchicums in greenhouse is almost over. But still very nice is Colchicum luteum with brightest yellow flowers. This stock is supposed as coming very long ago from Afganistan, grown later in Holland but then suddenly lost. It remained in few amateur collections from where I got my bulbs, too. It is larger than forms of C. luteum from former USSR.
Janis
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Good evening Zhirair, your plants of C. bifolium are really splendid. I read about this species in Flora of Turkey yesterday and there was shown that it is the synonym of C. szovitsii. Is there a great difference between C. szovitsii and C. bifolium? We grow neither C. szovitsii nor C. bifolium but we would like to try to grow this Colchicum here – do you plan to sell a few corms of C. bifolium this summer? Cheers Igor
Igor,
There is obvious difference between colchicum szovitsii and colchicum bifoluim - shape of flower, colouring and number of leaves. In difference of colchicum szovitsii (which has 3 or more leaves), colchicum bifolium has 2 leaves (though it could have the third false leaf (not fully developed) from very large bulbs). Colchicum bifolium always have (pale) magenta shading from outside of the petals (from tube to sentral back of petals), has slightly different shape of flower. If you grow both species next to each other you will easily see the difference. For me, colchicum bifolium is more beautiful.
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I really can't understand how many very different plants are joined under name Colchicum szowitsii - small and large blooming etc., etc. On my report about spring Crocus trip I posted very deep lilac form of C. szowitsii from Turkey, near Akseki (Gembos yaila). I repeat it here.
Very opposit are those two very large blooming forms from Armenia - purest white TIVI and slightly lilac, later fading to pure white VARDAHOVIT. Both named by vilages, where original plants were collected by Arnis Seisums. Identification confirmed by Karin Person.
Janis
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This one may be is Colchicum robustum. Named on field, not checked later.
Janis
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Just a follow-up photo to a photo I posted earlier of the flowering Colchicum doerfleri. I have two forms growing side by side, one with hirsute edges to the leaves, but another that I see most every day when I walk around the garden, that is almost white with hairs on the leaves. :o
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Janis:
I'm glad to see you spelled the Vardahovit correctly. Translated from Armenian means Valley of the Roses.
Arnold
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My first autumnal colchicum is parnassicum. This year it is a bit late.
Poul
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can any one help identify this for me please? It's been in flower for about two weeks, It came from AGS seed six years ago
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can any one help identify this for me please? It's been in flower for about two weeks, It came from AGS seed six years ago
Peter, I would say it's Colchicum montanum (or Merendera montana)
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Thanks Wim, can it vary a bit? I have a couple with that name
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Thanks Wim, can it vary a bit? I have a couple with that name
Peter,
I can vary quite a bit in colour and in lenght and width of petals.
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Thanks, This is earlier than the rest, but its been outside. Its definately got the longest petals
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How is it that Colchicum luteum is in flower in both the northern and the southern hemispheres at the same time? Mine is not imported from the north, so is not acclimatizing to southern conditions. It has been here for years. ???
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How is it that Colchicum luteum is in flower in both the northern and the southern hemispheres at the same time? Mine is not imported from the north, so is not acclimatizing to southern conditions. It has been here for years. ???
C luteum flowers in the early spring, -roundabout now for you Lesley? Who has it flowering now in the north? :o :o ??? :o :o
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can any one help identify this for me please? It's been in flower for about two weeks, It came from AGS seed six years ago
Peter, I would say it's Colchicum montanum (or Merendera montana)
Peter and Wim , it certainly is Colch . montanum , a very easy and freeflowering species here . and variation in the shades of pink.
Otto.
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My mistak Peter. I hadn't looked at this thread for a long time and so when I clicked on it, it went right back to the last time I looked, March, and I saw two luteums from March and April. Stupidly, I hadn't noticed the dates and thought they were flowering and being posted now. ::)
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Can someone ID this one for me, please? Thank you. It is flowering now.
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http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/ColchicumSpeciesOne
Have a look at C. baytopiorum
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Thank you to Arnold for his suggestion for the identity of my mystery colchicum. The wild species seem to vary immensely in the shape of their flowers. Mine is a small plant, as can be seen from the 4" label next to it. Does anyone agree that it is baytopiorum, or have other ideas? The white tips to the segments remind me of Crocus 'Bobbo'.
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Dear Annew
C. baytopiorum is stoloniferous corm. Have you observe it before repotting? Looks C. alpinum or corsicum too
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It looks pretty much like my C. baytopiorum which flowered in the early winter here. It has been a single bulb for maybe 10 years, in a trough but this year has made a patch of 9 stems, covering about 18 cms across. Only two flowered but that's better than ever before. :D
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what did you do different last year to get the sudden increace Lesley?
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The first of my Colchicums are now above ground two weeks earlier than last year
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Thanks, everyone. I'll knock it out and have a look.
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what did you do different last year to get the sudden increace Lesley?
Totally nelected it Peter. The troughs have always been neatly weeded and fed as necessary but for the last two years and especially last year when I spent time in hospital with a very tired and inert aftermath, the troughs became weedy and overgrown and I lost some things. For some reaon the colchicum was happy with that and grew underground like crazy so there must be a lesson in there somewhere. ???
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I think we all try that one from time to time, 8), wish the outcome were so positive all the time, perhaps the colchicum prefers growing in turf?
??? ::) :o ::) ???
what did you do different last year to get the sudden increace Lesley?
Totally nelected it Peter. The troughs have always been neatly weeded and fed as necessary but for the last two years and especially last year when I spent time in hospital with a very tired and inert aftermath, the troughs became weedy and overgrown and I lost some things. For some reaon the colchicum was happy with that and grew underground like crazy so there must be a lesson in there somewhere. ???
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Last year was the season opener Colchicum parnassicum in our garden.This year it is Colchicum tenorii.Even 14 days earlier then parnassicum last year.
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Looks beautifull Kris :D
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No sign of any here yet... but we were just saying today that it won't be long before they begin...... :)
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No sign of any here yet... but we were just saying today that it won't be long before they begin...... :)
Rain here during the last week has started one of mine. Not a clue what it is, lost label ???
(If Tony G is watching, the lattice pot far left of the pic is the Crocus pallasii - I just repotted it and it's increased well and doing fine. Hoping for own grown saffron this year ;D )
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And my first colchicum is here also. Everywhere is quite dry and temperature shows 40c. however this has been start to bloom in wild!
Clc. chalcedonicum subsp. chalcedonicum 16 Agust 2010
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And my first colchicum is here also. Everywhere is quite dry and temperature shows 40c. however this has been start to bloom in wild!
Clc. chalcedonicum subsp. chalcedonicum 16 Agust 2010
Beautiful species Ibrahim, one I'm not familiar with. You say 40c temperature; wow, (104 F), that's HOT!
Kris, I really like C. tenori... I'm such a Colchicum newbie that many are new for me. I like the little ones. Diane, your's is most elegant, whatever species or cultivar it is.
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I just repotted my mystery colchicums and there is no sign of stolons. :-\
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I just repotted my mystery colchicums and there is no sign of stolons. :-\
Early days Anne, mine didn't start to make stolons until it had been in the same spot (trough) for several years. ???
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Is it likely to be hardy enough to put out on the rock garden? I'm desperate for space under glass.
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Anne, the white tips would point for Colchicum longifolium, although mine don't have
the lovely stripes that yours have.
I grow both, longifolium and baytopiorum outside since 3 or 4 years and both do well.
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Thank you Thomas! I.will try them outside.
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I just repotted my mystery colchicums and there is no sign of stolons. :-\
Anne , Colch. baytopiorum does NOT have a stoloniferous bulb .
Otto.
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If it DOESN'T make stolons, what is this then? I've had it since 1993 as C. baytopiorum and it has just recently put on all this extra growth. Only ever had the one bulb which flowers but has never set seed.
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I'll dig this small patch in the summer and see what is going on underneath. The trough needs a good clearout anyway.
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Otto and Lesley - I also have a form of C. baytopiorum which makes stolons ???
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I am happy with the performance of my Colchicum tenorii. One bulb and untill now 5 flowers.
Has anyone experience regarding the hardiness of Colchicum tenorii in the garden or rockgarden?
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I am happy with the performance of my Colchicum tenorii. One bulb and untill now 5 flowers.
Has anyone experience regarding the hardiness of Colchicum tenorii in the garden or rockgarden?
The plant i grow as C tenorii (think it is correct name) ha sbeen outside for many years in a sunny, well drained place. It seems happy and increases.
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I am happy with the performance of my Colchicum tenorii. One bulb and untill now 5 flowers.
Has anyone experience regarding the hardiness of Colchicum tenorii in the garden or rockgarden?
The plant i grow as C tenorii (think it is correct name) has been outside for many years in a sunny, well drained place. It seems happy and increases.
Thank you Tony .Maybe I have to give it a try. This winter we had minus 12 degrees ...is it that cold in your place ?
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Down to minus 10C last winter ... it has survived -8C before so I am optimistic. Choose a sheltered site, near the house perhaps as this will give it a better chance.
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If it DOESN'T make stolons, what is this then? I've had it since 1993 as C. baytopiorum and it has just recently put on all this extra growth. Only ever had the one bulb which flowers but has never set seed.
Lesley , took a photo today of the foliage of my clump of Colch. baytopiorum ,so you can compare it . It should be the true one ,as it was collected by Prof . Baytop himself.
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Kris:
I've had C. tenorii outside, in an unprotected spot where our temps get to 4-5 F. It has flourished for me.
Arnold
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Down to minus 10C last winter ... it has survived -8C before so I am optimistic. Choose a sheltered site, near the house perhaps as this will give it a better chance.
Kris:
I've had C. tenorii outside, in an unprotected spot where our temps get to 4-5 F. It has flourished for me.
Arnold
Thank you Arnold and Tony .I think I must go for it . We all have too many plants in pots ,so ...
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The next one in flower today : Colchicum autumnale 'Drama bunch'
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I think my C. baytopiorum came as a bulb from what was then Potterton and Martin.
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Here my first Colchicum,
Colchicum pyrenaicum ( formerly Merendera)
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Dirk,
Fantastic show!
Poul
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My Colchicum montanum under glass and in the open garden.
Poul
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Re baytopiorum - now I'm more confused than ever. ??? I do love a good mystery though!
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If it DOESN'T make stolons, what is this then? I've had it since 1993 as C. baytopiorum and it has just recently put on all this extra growth. Only ever had the one bulb which flowers but has never set seed.
Lesley - I have sometimes found colchicum seed capsules at or below ground level, perhaps when growth has finished early due to hot spring weather. Maybe you have seedlings?
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Colchicum seed can certainly be discrete at times, but would the seedlings have been large enough to be seen last year?
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I'd love to think the outliers were seedlings but I don't think so. However, I'll lift the whole lot when it dies down and see what's going on. There was just the one flower earlier (late autumn/early winter) this year, the dead stem is visible even now.
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Colchicum seed can certainly be discrete at times, but would the seedlings have been large enough to be seen last year?
No :) I was thinking they might be from several years ago and only became noticed as they grew.
If a crocus bulb is damaged it can make several shoots from around the base which leads to a small clump developing around the original corm. Perhaps colchicum can do something similar .... not sure though, just exploring possibilities.
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I am happy with the performance of my Colchicum tenorii. One bulb and untill now 5 flowers.
Has anyone experience regarding the hardiness of Colchicum tenorii in the garden or rockgarden?
Sorry for the delay, Kris.
I have Colchicum tenorii outside for 7 years and they survived -24°C
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I am happy with the performance of my Colchicum tenorii. One bulb and untill now 5 flowers.
Has anyone experience regarding the hardiness of Colchicum tenorii in the garden or rockgarden?
Sorry for the delay, Kris.
I have Colchicum tenorii outside for 7 years and they survived -24°C
Thank you Thomas .That's good news, all doubts removed :D
It can be moved out the pot and placed outdoors ,and that is allways very good news!Nothing better then see it growing and flowering outdours.
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Here my first Colchicum,
Colchicum pyrenaicum ( formerly Merendera)
Dirk,
Stunning :o
Congratulations.
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I discovered some more colchicum in my garden. Unfortunately the snails found them first!
Poul
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Here's a couple to get the ball rolling. With our heat at this time I'm not sure how long they will last.
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The Colchicum in the meadow start with its flower.
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I was somewhat expecting and hoping for this post Franz !
Marvelous and they seem to be hardly getting started !! :o :o
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I was somewhat expecting and hoping for this post Franz !
Marvelous and they seem to be hardly getting started !! :o :o
Yes Luc, Ian and I were just looking at the colchicums beginning in our garden today and wondering how Franz' were getting on.... now we see.... magnificent!
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Yes stunning Colchicums Franz.I hardly dare to post my photos...
Colchicum autumnale and montanum.
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Nice to see all these Colchicums.
The meadow really looks great, I might locate some spare ones in our lawn.
Now it's the season I might try to ask you for help with identifying these. I have tried this before but have still some left for identification.
They came from a mixed package which was offered by Van Tubergen. They may consist of cultivars and species. The type PK came from an old garden.
The names of the photo's are just a description, I can be completely wrong about it.
Thanks for your help.
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You got some beauties in your mixed package! Franz's meadow looks wonderful - it would be nice to copy it, but I think the leaves might be a problem. I have 3sq m of 'meadow'(!) which is where my self-sown orchids are put, but the leaves on some of my colchicums outlast even the orchid leaves. Are there any species which die back earlier? I cut my patch about 3 weeks ago.
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Whaooo !
I LOVE AUTUMN :o :P ;D
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Nice to see all those lovely colchicums!
Franz, how do you keep your marvelous meadow in such perfect condition with only low plants?
Poul
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Thank you all together for the kind comments.
Poul,
We have this year much rain. The small plants are all a weed like yarrow and daisies.
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Me too Bulbi :D weather less hot and nice sunlight in the garden... and colchicum, cyclamen and nerine ::) ;D
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Franz, it's a joy to see you meadow Colchicums now and set the scene for the Autumn flowering bulbs :)
So many beautiful photos from everyone, thanks
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Franz, Deine Wiese ist wundervoll. Hast Du die TEUFELSKRALLE dort hinzu gepflanzt? It`s a pleasure to see you meadow, such a much of pretty colchicum.
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Colchicum season begins slowly. Much white and a little bit of pink. ANTARES looks good.
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Beautiful, Hagen!
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Princess Astrid. A large goblet.
Cool sunny weather. Perfect Colchicum weather
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Colchicum pannonicum
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My first colchicum to flower is a lost label one - any guesses?
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Here are some pics of Colchicums which are flowering here now:
Colchicum byzantinum
Colchicum 'Faberge's Silver'
Colchicum 'Harlekijn'
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Interesting selection Wim. I love the Faberge and the Harlekijn is certainly fascinating.
'Disraeli' is flowering here now.
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Your purple Colchicum 'Disraeli' looks wonderful growing through the green ivy, Gail. For many years I grew snowdrops like this but never thought of Colchicums.
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Your purple Colchicum 'Disraeli' looks wonderful growing through the green ivy, Gail. For many years I grew snowdrops like this but never thought of Colchicums.
I agree ,very nice Gail ! :D
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Hallo folks,
Gail, your lost label colchicum should be Colchicum byzantinum. But your DISRAELI looks like AUTUMN QUEEN/PRINCESS ASTRID. Where did it come from? I got these DISRAELI from a Dutch source and I have a lot of doubt.
Who can tell us the differences between DISRAELI and the others??? DISRAELI should flower two weeks after AUTUMN QUEEN???
Wim, FABERGE has a flower like a winecup. I like it. Here you can see another very, very globular flower: HERBSTKUGEL.
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Glorious goblet shapes in the sun Hagen - a lovely Colchicum :)
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Gail, your lost label colchicum should be Colchicum byzantinum. But your DISRAELI looks like AUTUMN QUEEN/PRINCESS ASTRID. Where did it come from? I got these DISRAELI from a Dutch source and I have a lot of doubt.
Thanks for your comments.
My ? 'Disraeli' came from the Royal Horticultural Society garden centre at Wisley several years ago.
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Gail,
your 'Disraeli' looks wonderful.
Hagen,
'Herbstkugel' has a very nice cup-formed flower indeed.
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Today a lot of rain here ,but this Colchicum troodi never mind about that.
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I was surprised to find a few flowers on Colchicum 'Nancy Lindsay' (at least, that's the name I got it as) growing under an overgrown shrub of Hydrangea 'Blue Billow'. The Hydrangea has shed almost all its leaves due to having only one solid day of rain in 3 months, but here were 3 lovely Colchicum blooms, among all of the dropped leaf litter and bone dry soil.
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Hello Mark, Your Colchicum looks much more like GRACIA. Today I will post a pic of NANCY Lindsay.
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Gracia looks wonderful. I like the white base.
This is what I have as 'Nancy Lindsay' and it's the first one to flower here.
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Yes Gunilla, this is the real NANCY LINDSAY. Here is another pic against the evening sun. I like ANTARES a little bit more than GRACIA.
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A species from the Lebanon mountains, flowering now...but no idea about the species ??
edit by maggi: see suggestion of ID on next page by Oron Peri
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Hello Hagen,
I grow your Colchicum 'Teufelskralle' not in the meadow. I grow it in my bulb frame.
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Colchicum autumnale 'Lysimachus ' in flower .
and because we had a lot of sunshine today :D a better picture of Colchicum troodi.
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A species from the Lebanon mountains, flowering now...but no idea about the species ??
Hi Fred
It is C. hierosolymitanum [Jerusalem Colchicum]
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Thank's Oron,
but I also have this species from Israel and as far as I remember, it's very different.... wait and see as it's not yet flowering ;)
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Fred,
C. hierosolymitanum, has this particular structure where the styles are longer than the [yellow] anthers and they curve down at their tips.
Any way from the leaves [later on] it is easy to tell...
By the way, do you have its place of origin in Lebanon?
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This is what I have as 'Nancy Lindsay'. Looks the same as Gunilla's to me??
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First Colchicum for this autumn here a medium-sized plant from Crete.
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Seems to be C. macrophyllum Hans !
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my first Colchicum in flower
Wolfgang
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Thanks Fred,
C. microphyllum would fit better ;)
It grows in good soil but it is very tiny (as two more I grow), diameter of the flower might be 6 cm, also leaves must have been very small as I do not remember them. There grow some similar plants nearby, but flowers are more than double in size and the large mounts of leaves cannot be overseen.
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well Hans, flower is really like C. macrophyllum, but leaves should be very big !!
here is C. macrophyllum from crete flowering now
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My Colchicum-Meadow
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Wow Franz !! :o :o
When you posted last time I had warned they were only getting started.... I am not disapointed ! 8) 8)
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Dear Mr. Hadacek,
Your garden and especially the Colchicum-meadow must be indeed very spectacular now. Gratulation. Igor & Pavlina M.
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Sensational Franz ... a beautiful meadow.
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Fred, your colchicum have dark anthers! I think these two colchicum from Crete are not the same sipecies!
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The Colchicum meadow gets better and better each year. I don't really like those little marigolds, or not as a bedding plant anyway, but in the meadow with the colchicums, they look wonderful, each species enhancing the other. What a magnificent sight! 8) Thank you Franz, for letting us see your beautiful planting
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Franz, you have really a great meadow!
Fred, your colchicum have dark anthers! I think these two colchicum from Crete are not the same sipecies!
Hello Ibrahim, we had a discussion in the past about the colour of the Anthers of this species and I think it was Oron who has observed both colours can occur. The main difference I see is the very reduced size of the plants even they grow next to other plants which are much larger.
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Franz, your meadow of Colchicum is so, so beautiful - natural unabashed beauty of complimentary colours and harmonious form that is your hallmark, thank you.
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Tagetes are useful plants... they are handy companions for various vegetable crops to repel nematodes in the soil and aphids andthey are a valuable crop for their essential oils, which are used in perfumery and are believed to have several medicinal auses, also... not bad from a humble annual!
When I was a little girl, many moons ago, the first flowers I grew from seed were marigolds, various Tagetes and, of course, Calendula - I have retained a fondness for these cheerful plants ever since and I think Franz' combination of the colchicum with the marigolds is one of the most glorious mixtures I have seen.... it speaks of sun and warmth, the glory of flowers and happy days... thanks, Franz! :-*
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Thank you all together for the kind comments.
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Seen on a recent trip to the mountains of Northern Greece;
Colchicum bivone
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OOOOOOOHH! Very nice forms and super shots..... 8)
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Cheers Maggi,
Same trip but different mountain;
Colchicum haynaldlii
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Great stuff Chris !
The bivone forms are real stunners !!! :o :o
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Both very beautiful, and fine photos. I don't remember ever having seen C. haynaldii before 8)
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Superb Hristo !
Never seen them in the wild... so beautiful forms
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Hristo, C bivonae looks very good in the wild.
Here is only another garden pic of NANCY LINDSAY, WILLIAM DYKES, VIOLET QUEEN, Colchicum cilicicum PURPUREUM
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Cheers all, we were lucky in that the flowering period was just starting so flowers were fresh, last Colchicums seen were;
Colchicum bivone ( sibthorpianum???? ) - Mt. Olympus
Colchicum species - Kato Olympus
Colchicum confusum - Various locations in the Pindus Mountains
Colchicum borisii - Bulgaria
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Gallery of very fine plants and pics too, Hristo. I like the olympus type.
Here is a second garden pic with INNOCENCE, HERBSTKUGEL and AUTUMN QUEEN.
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Great Colchicums all!!
I'm sure someone will know this one. I've lost the label
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Hristo,
wonderful colchicum pictures from wild. I want to know is there any difference between C. borisii and C. autumnale? On my list C. borisii is a syn. name under C. autumnale!
Where you have seen this colchicum is it near to turkish border? it is not recorded but I think we have also this colchicum in our side of border!
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Mark, there aren`t a lot colchicums with purplish tube. I would say: NANCY LINDSAY. It is the first plant on the right site on my previous pic.
Here you can see NANCY LINDSAY and behind is WILLIAM DYKES (with white tubes and a little bit more silvery flowers)
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A view into the flowers!
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I have been given a Colchicum without a label. Can anyone identify?
It is as large as speciosus Album, but flower a week or two earlier.
The others are:
Colchicum agrippum
Colchicum 'Violet Queen'
Colchicum davisii
Poul
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Poul,
look's like C. speciosum.... not album ;D or colchicum bornmuelleri wich is may be a form of C. speciosium
here is mine
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Here is C. Autumn Herald.
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Very easy to name Colchicum species ;D ;D ??? ::)
I prefer spring flowering species ;D
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No name problem with this one... C. speciosum var album
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Here today in flower :
Colchicum lusitanicum
Colchicum cupanii subsp. pulverulentum
Colchicum cupanii
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The giant and the dwarf
Colchicum Giant
Colchicum cilicicum
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Some newer cultivars: ARTUR KLARK, FLAMENCO DANCE, LARISSA DOLINA, NEPTUN
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Nice pictures, Hagen!
I like 'Neptun' the best and grow it with pleasure.
L. Bondarenko very appriciates colchicums with narrow petals and most of his cultivars are narrow-petalled. But I think that that the cultivars with classic blobular wide-petalled blooms are incompetable and your HERBSTKUGEL really struck me!!! It is real show stopper, which will beautify and brighten every colchicum collection and garden.
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The narrow petalled forms can be lovely but, like Zhirair, I really like the rounded goblet shaped flowers with full petals the best.
I tend to prefer crocus with a full rounded shape too.
Just personal preference I know, but I enjoy seeing which types appeal to which people.
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Here's a goblet for you Maggie :-*
Colchicum speciosum "Bechal's Dark Form" :D
just potted up in time
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Not a form I know, Peter.... lovely shape to it and great colour.
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Here is another dark flower with very globular tepales: WINECUP, raised in Germany recent years. Not better than the best colchicums, but much better than the ordinary C. speciosum cultivars. The second pic shows the real color.
You would like it, Maggie and Zhirair.
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Here is narrow petaled form: DICK TROTTER
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Hagen,
Winecup is very beautiful!
In my garden Colchicum corsicum is flowering.
Poul
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Superb shape and colour hagen !
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Yes, Hagen, 'Winecup' is really lovely, just to my taste. 8) 8)
Super close-up picture of 'Dick Trotter' 8)
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This is the way I love Colchicums:
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Some of the smaller forms:
- autumnale, our local form
- ? from France
- kochii from Dalmatia
- longifolium from Italy
- lusitanum, also from Italy
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Beutifull masses of Colchicums Tony, and fabulous cultivars Hagen.
Can anyone please tell me the distinguishing features of C longifolium, C micranthum, and C corsicum?
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Hi Thomas !
Where is the French species from ?
Could be C. neapolitanum.
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Peter, I have learnt from Karin Persson that Colchicum longifolium has white tipped petals.
C'est possible, Bulbi! It's from 40km NW of Nice. Does C. alpinum occour in this area?
And what else can grow there?
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Thomas, C. alpinum grows higher and there is only one very small C. cupanii place around, very different, so it's really C. neapolitanum which is widespread in the south of France.
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Merci beaucoup, Fred - finally I have a name for that lovely plant :D
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Thomas, C. alpinum grows higher and there is only one very small C. cupanii place around, very different, so it's really C. neapolitanum which is widespread in the south of France.
Fred at what elevations does C. neapolitanum grow?
Very nice collection Thomas.
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Thanks Thomas,
My bulbs of longiflorum came From AGS seed and they have a white line down the centre of the petals- I guess that means I have that one correctly named :D
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It grows from few meters above sea level to more than 1000 meters but is taller, larger, darker than C. alpinum which is also usually flowering in August, with 1 or few flowers only.
It also have stripped petals and sepals.
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Thanks Fred, My alpinum is smaller with fewer flowers, I missed them this year though, they flowerd in a paper bag :'( the leaves are up and they look happy though, now I have potted them
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Great Colchicums all.
My white colchicums.
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I don't grow any Colchicum but I'm really going to have to try some next year. I have a spot in mind on a slightly sloping bank which presently houses some far too rampant Hemerocallis that I intend to thin out when they die back. Recommendations please on what species I should try, planting depths etc.
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It`s a pleasure to see your galleries, Thomas and Franz.
Colchicum geben schon was her!!!
Poul, do you have C. corsicum outside???
Here are C. speciosum ALBUM and C. speciosum RUBRUM.
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It`s a pleasure to see your galleries, Thomas and Franz.
Colchicum geben schon was her!!!
Poul, do you have C. corsicum outside???
Here are C. speciosum ALBUM and C. speciosum RUBRUM.
Hagen,
What source are your colchicum speciosusm Rubrum from?
Do you know the difference between c. speciosusm Atrorubens and c. speciosusm Rubrum?
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Can`t understand, why you don`t like colchicum en masse so much. Colchicum make a real autumn season and if you plant the bulbs near each other it`s a wonderful view. Or?
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I won't object to that Hagen !
The Colchicum look stunning in your border !! :o :o
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Agreed Luc, Its fantastic! just wait untill I get a bigger garden.....
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Peter, begin with Colchicum corsicum ;D
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Hagen, you have a beautifull garden, I envey your colchicum displays, but just so that you know- I have three forms of corsicum already, I shall spare you the list of other species I grow but I can tell you it ranges from macrophyllum down the scale to minutum, ;D
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Peter, it`s a pleasure to meet such a fine colchicum enthusiast here. By the way, can you help me with recent English/Scottish or Irish cultivars???
My natural border for collecting of colchicum is our climate. I have no frame.
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If I had room for them in my garden I would plant them in the ground too, even colchicum persicum and macrophyllum do not need to be coverd, I keep them in pots because I dont have space to plant them all.
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My colchicums in the garden have done really well this year, but all the early ones are looking very battered now. Some of the later ones are still coming through so I hope to get some pictures later this week. In the greenhouse, they don't suffer the same battering, although they don't always last very long.
Colchicum macrophyllum from Norman Stevens
Colchicum aff confusum from Rannveig Wallis
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This Colchicum also came from Rannveig, in 2006 but I have lost its name,
I bought the other in 2002, this is the first time it has flowerd
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Hagen what a beautiful border - so well placed.
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Hagen what a beautiful border - so well placed.
May I suggest to those of you who have not yet visited Hagen's website that you do do to see more pictures of the lovely Engelmann gardens...
http://www.engelmannii.de/ :)
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Thanks for reminding us Maggi, I had a wonderful stroll through Herr Engelmann's garden !! 8)
Many congratulations Hagen, it really looks superb !! :D :D
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Thank you Luc.
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Hagen beautiful gardens and a beautiful house too.
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Great Colchicums everybody!
Actual in flower C. variegatum and another fine Colchicum species.
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Hans, variegatum is here a problem child. If we had a little bit more sun ......
I like the tessellated forms too.
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Hagen, what a harmonic and lovely garden you have!
I've got this colchicum laetum last year. I do not like the somewhat broken and patchy colouring. Is that normal or is it virused?
Poul
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I dont know enough about it to say :-\ but I would bin it :(, if mine does well I can send you one next year
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Hans, variegatum is here a problem child. If we had a little bit more sun ......
I like the tessellated forms too.
Hagen,
I also heard from many people that variegatum need sunny position to do well. But my colleague from moscow succesfully grows it under shade. Mine is planted in semi-shade and blooms heavily. maybe we grow different clones adapted to different climates.
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Colchicum images that I captured yesterday in Brian & Jo Walker's lovely garden in Shirley (Midlands), prior to presenting a lecture to the Alpine Garden Society Warwickshire Group in Stratford-upon-Avon last evening.
COLCHICUM SPECIOSUM (First four)
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Superb Colchicum pics Cliff - like especially the croci of the last pic... ;)
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Very lovely colchicum, Cliff. But where are the crocus in pic Nr.4??? ;D
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Very lovely colchicum, Cliff. But where are the crocus in pic Nr.4??? ;D
Ah Hagen & Hans (and most of the alpine world), well spotted! Obviously, in the haste of naming and posting, I put crocus instead of cyclamen ... the old saying; 'More haste, less speed' is quite appropriate. :D
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Do you know the difference between c. speciosusm Atrorubens and c. speciosusm Rubrum?
I was just looking at A Handbook of Crocus and Colchicum for Gardeners by E A Bowles. He says "Many dark purple forms have been selected and named. I think the best are the two listed as rubrum and atrorubens which are so much alike that even when growing close together I sometimes have to look at their labels to be certain to which stocks they belong. Perhaps rubrum is rather paler and in some seasons flowers a little earlier."
This is what I have as 'Atrorubens'
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With all these lovely big-flower plants one would forget that a number of small species are coming in flower too:
Colchicum cupanii var. bertolonii
Colchicum lingulatum
Colchicum decaisnei
Colchicum baytopiorum
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Hello Luc,
could you tell me if my earlier posting is baytopiorum please? it looks similar to yours
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Luc, what a lot of nice colchicum dwarfs. If I had a tunnel.......
Gail. my ATRORUBENS looks like yours and i have my bulbs from different sources. But these ATRORUBENS differ in some aspects from my RUBRUM. So it`s not like E A BOWLES wrote. What shall we do???
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Gail. my ATRORUBENS looks like yours and i have my bulbs from different sources. But these ATRORUBENS differ in some aspects from my RUBRUM. So it`s not like E A BOWLES wrote. What shall we do???
I don't know. ??? The more I read the more confused I get...
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I don't know. ??? The more I read the more confused I get...
I know the feeling :-\ ;D
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I don't know. ??? The more I read the more confused I get...
I know the feeling :-\ ;D
It's quite normal, the plants usually get the last laugh one way or another :-\ :-X :-\
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Hello Luc,
could you tell me if my earlier posting is baytopiorum please? it looks similar to yours
It is difficult to compare the color of the flowers because this depends on the lightlevel when the picture is taken.
The pale center and the big anthers are similar but the rest is difficult to judge.
When the leaves develop, you can expect rather broad (2 cm) and long leaves (up to 20 cm) that have a slightly curved shape (spiral-like).
I email you the botanical data.
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Here are Colchicum speciosum RUBRUM and Colchicum speciosum ATRORUBENS. Bowles wrote "I think the best (of C speciosum) are the two listed as rubrum and atrorubens which are so much alike that even when growing close together I sometimes have to look at their labels to be certain to which stock they belong." Hm.Hm
The colours are exact.
Both outside!
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Both inside!
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Proportions of both!
But the colour isn`t OK.
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They are clearly different clones Hagen, but so similar - they could be from the same population or seed pod :-\
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Thanks for taking those pictures Hans. Curious that he didn't mention the size difference...,
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From the glasshouse this morning. Colchicum cupanii var cousturieri which I believe is the same as C. cupanii ssp cupanii.
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Hagen,
Thank you very much for taking time and efforts to shiow the differences between c. speciosum Rubrum and c. speciosum Atrorunens. The differences are obvious. Now I found an answer to the question that I asked for several years.
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One of the later cultivars: HUXLEY, very globular!
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Hi everybody,
Some of our Colchicum miniatures. Colchicum pieperannum bloomed already at the end of July, C. kochii and C. laetum Arzegur a some weeks later.
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Colchicum cilicicum Akseki in September and C. cupanii is now in full bloom. Cherrs Igor
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Mostly lurking here on this wonderful thread, but I have to admit a bias towards the little ones, like C. cupani, such as those shown by Luc, Brian, and the beauties showed by Igor... thanks all. I had a form of C. cupanii out in the garden for about 8 years, it didn't show up last fall, not sure if a rodent got at it.
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Another little one in flower here : Colchicum peloponnesiacum
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:o it's beautifull Kris, i've never seen it before :o
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Kris, Igor, very nice examples!
Flowering here;
Colchicum sfikasianum
Colchicum turcicum
Colchicum corsicum
Colchicum sp. seed ex Peloponese
Colchicum cupanii
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Very Very nice Chris too
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Fantastic show everyone.
Colchicum cupani self seedlings in my meadow.
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Franz,
Why don't I get these weeds in my lawn ??? ;D ;)
Beautiful !
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Franz,
I'm guessing by that last shot that Crocus goulimyi self seeds as well? ;D If my IDing skills are correct of course.... it "looks" like a goulimyi to me anyway. ;)
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Paul,
You are right. The form is not typical, but it is a self seedling of C. goulimyi.
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More small species from the Colchicum genus.
Colchicum peloponnesiacum - probably a variety of C. cupanii
Colchicum stevenii from Lebanon (photo 1&2 and 3&4 show different collections)
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Hi everybody,
Some of our Colchicum miniatures. Colchicum pieperannum bloomed already at the end of July, C. kochii and C. laetum Arzegur a some weeks later.
C. pieperannum is new to me. Have you more info you can share ?
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More small species from the Colchicum genus.
Colchicum peloponnesiacum - probably a variety of C. cupanii
Colchicum stevenii from Lebanon (photo 1&2 and 3&4 show different collections)
These little colchicum are charming. Interesting variation in the C. stevenii.
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Some natives I found yesterday: Merendera filifolia/ Colchicum filifolium
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C. pieperannum is new to me. Have you more info you can share ?
Good question Luc ,I had not even heard of this Colchicum.
Some natives I found yesterday: Merendera filifolia/ Colchicum filifolium
I like your pictures Hans ,always good to see them in the wild.
Nice pics of very beautiful little ones Luc, Franz,Igor,Hristo ! 8)
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Some pics from Colchicum macrophyllum on their natural habitat in Crete.
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Hi everybody,
Some of our Colchicum miniatures. Colchicum pieperannum bloomed already at the end of July, C. kochii and C. laetum Arzegur a some weeks later.
C. pieperannum is new to me. Have you more info you can share ?
Hi Luc,
Colchicum pieperanum is reported from Albania and in Flora Europae it is considered as a form of C. alpinum. There is no a lot of information about this species but I founded on Macedonien homepage that this species is native also in Bistra planina mountains. We founded there quite a great population of this species (on the pictures here below). There is (in FYROM) yet the other endemic species of Colchicum in Yakupitsa mountains - Colchicum macedonicum, but I have unfortunately any picture of this species. Cheers Igor.
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My Colchicum cretense has finally flowered after three seasons. Here it is compared with pusillum, although one of the pots is labelled cupanii.
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Hans and kris, superb wild pics as I also love them.
thank's for sharing
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Great pictures everyone
Thanks Kris and Fred - I also love e to see the plants in their habitat, so the habitat pictures of C. macrophyllum are more than welcome!
A few years ago I found this pure white Merendera filifolia next to an Excavators in a carpet of pink flowering ones, the pink carpet was replaced by a lawn and a chalet with pool.
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Fantastic hans !!!
Never seen it before.
erm.... does it produce seeds ??? ;D
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Thanks Fred, I knew you would like it ;)
It should produce seeds, but I think they will not come true so I would prefer a vegetative propagation (until I do not grow a second white clone ::)) - or can they be selfed?
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You have a chance to get some white forms by seeds if self pollinated... just try... and hope ;)
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kris, wonderful, i like this pictures, geophytes are my favourites too....please more habitatpictures 8)
cheers
chris
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You have a chance to get some white forms by seeds if self pollinated... just try... and hope ;)
If all else fails timeand an F2 generation would surely work
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Dear colchiphiles, could you please help me? Two years ago I found in garden center between C. speciosum a different one.
(http://cs10597.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/98256847/x_4db1149d.jpg)
This year is blooms the same.
(http://cs10597.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/98256847/x_bf10946b.jpg)
Could it be a virus or a variation of healthy plant?
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kris, wonderful, i like this pictures, geophytes are my favourites too....please more habitatpictures 8)
cheers
chris
Thanks Chris,Hans and Fred ,try to upload more pics in the next days .
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Chris, what is the lovely grey-leaved plant with your Colchicum turcicum. I think I've come across something similar but I can't place it. Thanks.
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Dear colchiphiles, could you please help me? Two years ago I found in garden center between C. speciosum a different one.
This year is blooms the same.
Could it be a virus or a variation of healthy plant?
Olga,
It seems to be variation, but I can certainl;y say that it is not virus. As a rule, colchicums are not succeptable to viruses.
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Hi all.
I found this Colchicum (?) in early October in Rhodes.
Could you help me to identify them.
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Fine Colchicum,
first one is variegatum, second macrophyllum but third? ::)
Here some from Spain, some forms/ssp of C. cupanii, C. macrophyllum and a C. spec/ hybrid which produces leaves similar to C. macrophyllum.
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Fine Colchicum,
first one is variegatum, second macrophyllum but third? ::)
Great pictures Hans and dialexx [?]
I agree with Hans regarding the first two,
the third is C. balansae.
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Some tiny colchicums photographed on the west coast of Mallorca last week ... are they C. filifolium?
Colchicum filifolium
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Colchicum arenarium
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Chris and Hans and dialexx, You had good situations to find such nice colchicums outside. Here only c. aut. plenum and one other type are blooming until November.
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This is the other type. I got it under the (incorrect) name PINK GOBLET, but it could be ATTLEE too. A friend meant, it is LILAC BEDDER. Can anyone disclose this secret for me?
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For sure they are Ranunculus !
Have a look on the filifolia emerging from the ground ;D
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Fred, I don't think you know what weeds look like - maybe you have none? :-X
I can't see Ranunculus cotyledons, they look like Veronicas ?Gallium and Umbellifers to me ;D
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This is the other type. I got it under the (incorrect) name PINK GOBLET, but it could be ATTLEE too. A friend meant, it is LILAC BEDDER. Can anyone disclose this secret for me?
Hagen, I think this is not 'Lilac Bedder'. I have 'Lilac Bedder', but I didn't transferred the phots from the camera to the computer. I will try to show show this cultivar's photo soon.
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Ok Peter, I can't play ;D
Anyway, on pic 4, you can see the tiny leaves... ;)
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Hello Fred, Still look like Gallium to me :P I can see just one leaf might be Ranunculus but its more like Veronica dont you think?
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Hello Fred, Still look like Gallium to me :P I can see just one leaf might be Ranunculus but its more like Veronica dont you think?
Thanks Fred, I got the pun, even if others appear not to! ;D
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Fine Colchicum,
first one is variegatum, second macrophyllum but third? ::)
I agree with Hans about the first and second one. The third one is for sure Colchicum balansae (like Oron say) wich grow in Turkey but also on Rhodos.
I saw them also this year in Rhodos by the end of september.
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Some tiny colchicums photographed on the west coast of Mallorca last week ... are they C. filifolium?
Colchicum filifolium
Very nice to see Cliff. I suppose it must be filifolium .
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Do you think this is C. lingulatum ssp. rigescens? Photographed on serpentine rock, Datca Peninsula, W Turkey. If it isn't it should be C. balansae, but I hope it is this endemic, very local subspecies of lingulatum from W. Turkey! Some of the plants in this population were slightly tesselated. It seems very similar to the lingulatum picture in Bulbous Plants of Turkey, which was photographed on the Datca Peninsula.
I'm also attaching Merendera filifolia from Morocco. Unlike in one of the pics above I don't think I saw any new leafs emerging when I photographed this species last year in Morocco, but some Colchicaceae, like Colchicum parlatoris, occasionally show this behaviour.
KJ
http://keesjan.smugmug.com/
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Cliff, yours is for sure Colchicum filifolium. The other native Colchicum is C. lusitanum which is growing as an iceage relict only in a small area in a military zone of Mallorca.
World has lost an endemic species - following Kew World Checklist Colchicum cousturieri is now Colchicum cupanii ssp. cupanii. ::)
Here some actual pics of C. cousturieri, C. cupanii ssp cupanii, C. pusillum and C. stevenii.
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Hans, wonderfull plants and pics again and again...
all in your garden ?
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Have never been in Turkey and last time I have been in Greece was not in this century. ;)
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if so.... WELL GROWN :)
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Here some actual pics of C. cousturieri, C. cupanii ssp cupanii, C. pusillum and C. stevenii.
Stunning Colchicums Hans ! :o
And superb pictures also ....Must think serious about moving to the Balearics....or be satisfied with less...
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That thought crossed my mind too Kris, dodging irregular frost and unpredictable rain makes both continental and tender bulbs hard work !
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Here are a few Colchicum we have seen the last couple of days in N. israel.
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Here are a few Colchicum we have seen the last couple of days in N. israel.
Again some stunning species and pictures Oron! Some are brandnew to me and I suppose there are not in cultivation yet?
Many thanks to show us ,I realy enjoy to see them growing there in Israel...
The spidery-form is very unusual !
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Here is what must be C. micaceum, which not surprinsingly grows on... mica schist.
http://keesjan.smugmug.com/Botanical-trips/Asia
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Here is another interesting Colchicum from my recent trip to W Turkey: white C. boissieri :P.
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Very nice pics and even uncommon species Kees-Jan!
Here today in flower : Colchicum doerfleri
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Oron, Kees Jan and Kris - thanks for the superb pictures of rarly seen species!
Here some floriferous C. cousturieri and a 8 petaled C.stevenii.
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Here are my two interesting Colchicum. The first Merendera attica is from Bilecik normally in its native habitation they flower in february But in my garden conditions they are already in flower now.
For the second one I am not sure if it is a form of Szowitsii! If anybody can confirm! It has very small flowers, slender petals and with two wide leaves.
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Ibrahim
it certainly looks like C. szovitsii and as you know it is very variable in the wild in both colour and size and shape of the petals. It is very strange it is flowering now rather than in May.
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Tony, thank you so much, I couldn't be sure. For early flowering it might be cause of my cool and rainy climate conditions. This is the first flower of this colchicum with me.
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A tiny Colchicum starts to flower today, C. tuviae.
This species is endemic to Israel and Palestine growing in semidesert conditions, amazingly it seems that there are male and female plants.
Part of the plants lack the style, this phenomenon is still to be studied.
in the photo what seems to be a male plant.
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What an absolute gem!
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So nice Oron !!
Very easy to find it in a rocky desert ;D
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A tiny Colchicum starts to flower today, C. tuviae.
This species is endemic to Israel and Palestine growing in semidesert conditions, amazingly it seems that there are male and female plants.
Part of the plants lack the style, this phenomenon is still to be studied.
in the photo what seems to be a male plant.
What an amazing thing Oron ! Thank you for posting , another unknown gem became known...
Here Colchicum hirsutum don't open his flowers now. Due the lack of light , the cold or the combination of both?
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Thankyou for showing C. tuviae Oron, it is new to me too.
Kris, this is my Colchicum hirsutum from 28th December - a year ago. It has increaced for me and I have some offsetts but one bulb rotted this spring. it is not so advanced as yours and is frozen solid just now. Lack of light stretches the flowers untill they fall over and so does heat. If they are cold with good light (and not frozen) they open nicely but the petals dont open without light (or heat which ruins the flowers). I would be happy to swap a small offsett in the summer as selfing has given no seed.
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Thankyou for showing C. tuviae Oron, it is new to me too.
Kris, this is my Colchicum hirsutum from 28th December - a year ago. It has increaced for me and I have some offsetts but one bulb rotted this spring. it is not so advanced as yours and is frozen solid just now. Lack of light stretches the flowers untill they fall over and so does heat. If they are cold with good light (and not frozen) they open nicely but the petals dont open without light (or heat which ruins the flowers). I would be happy to swap a small offsett in the summer as selfing has given no seed.
Thank you Peter. If mine make offsetts we maybe could swap.
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After showing here my C. tuviae i went to see it in flower in its habitat in the Judea Desert, nothing to do, they always look happier in the wild.
This site is in flower 8 days after receiving only 15mm of rain.
On the way there C. stevenii is also in bloom.
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they always look happier in the wild.
Those are looking pretty content, for sure. Thank you for sharing, Oron . 8)
The ground is pretty bare, isn't it? Is that usual for the sites where these bulbs grow?
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Oron, thanks for showing us that little beauty
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Oron, that's about the sweetest little colchicum (C. tuviae) I've seen to date, I'm glad you found something to do and then showed them to us :D
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Thanks Mark,
they always look happier in the wild.
Those are looking pretty content, for sure. Thank you for sharing, Or on . 8)
The ground is pretty bare, isn't it? Is that usual for the sites where these bulbs grow?
Maggi, the ground is bare at the moment but soon it will be covered by annuals.
Here is another cute one, C. psaridis from the Peloponnese.
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Oron, magnificent Colchicum!
You show the world of desert fine and unfamiliar to us! Many thanks!
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After showing here my C. tuviae i went to see it in flower in its habitat in the Judea Desert, nothing to do, they always look happier in the wild.
This site is in flower 8 days after receiving only 15mm of rain.
On the way there C. stevenii is also in bloom.
Oron, you don't need snow to soften the harsh nature of the desert!
This was a real eyeopener. Thank you.
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Oron,
how excellent to see these little beauties in the wild! Thanks so much for posting,
cheers
fermi
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Here is my Colchicum triphyllum also flowered earler than wild.
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Beautiful Ibrahim, looking perfect!
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Oron thanks for showing C. tuviae - a very beautiful species.
Ibrahim your C. triphyllum look very fine.
In flower one of the "lost label section", think it should be C. hungaricum.
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Looks like it Hans, especially with hairy leaves; very nice plant.
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I am pretty sure that the colchicum you show is not C.arenarium as it does not flower with leaves, C arenarium is pale pink rounded at tip not tassellated and has segments 2cm wide and 4cm wide Leaves 2.5per corm very narrow and uo to 20cmlong. Often confused with Alpinum. Betty.