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Title: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 13, 2010, 07:26:21 PM
Few pictures from our latest trip to Cyprus ,november 2009.

Starting with Cyclamen persicum and Narcissus serotinus . 
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: Armin on January 13, 2010, 07:30:25 PM
What a nice narcissus clump :o
Please show us more.
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 13, 2010, 07:32:59 PM
Also some alpines  , Saponaria cypria and Scutellaria cypria and Scorzonera troodea.
Many thanks to Oron to identify these plants !
Al pictures are from  Troodos mountains .
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on January 13, 2010, 07:36:42 PM
Super photos, Kris. A treat to see these plants at home .... you must have enjoyed your trip.... good weather too!
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 13, 2010, 07:38:55 PM
One of our targets of this visit to Cyprus was to see some cyclamen cyprium .
So this is the next display ...
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 13, 2010, 07:45:15 PM
Super photos, Kris. A treat to see these plants at home .... you must have enjoyed your trip.... good weather too!
Yes Maggi ,the weather was magnificent! So this was a very fine week . The snow at home makes me homesick and see the pictures again is maybe a good medicine.

 
What a nice narcissus clump :o
Please show us more.

Thanks Armin , I do my best ...
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 13, 2010, 08:10:41 PM
And Cyclamen cyprium in flower ...
Also some Orchis species start to grow again .
And Arisarum vulgare flowers to .
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: TheOnionMan on January 14, 2010, 12:55:49 AM
Also some alpines  , Saponaria cypria and Scutellaria cypria and Scorzonera troodea.
Many thanks to Oron to identify these plants !
Al pictures are from  Troodos mountains .

Kris, marvelous plants and photographs, the Cyclamen leaf forms are gorgeous!  I had to respond here after seeing your Saponaria cypria, because back in 2000 I received seed from North American Rock Garden Society seedlist of Saponaria cypria collected in the Troodos Mts.  Just to let everyone know, it turns out this gem of a plant is perfectly hardy and easy to grow.  Not only that, it flowers in late July to August, when little else is blooming. 

I uploaded some photos.  The first three are in 2002, with small plants blooming in pots... while small, the profile shot gives a good idea of the viscous pubescence of this plant.  The long sticky red tube on each flower is something!  Even though initially grown in pots, the pots just sat on the ground over winter, no problem with hardiness.  Then there are photos of the plant growing in my garden, one from late July 2007, and two more views taken late July 2009.  Wish I could also get some of the endemic "scoots" & "toooks" in Cyprus (Scutellaria & Teucrium species), there are some very fine ones there.
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: TheOnionMan on January 14, 2010, 01:11:06 AM
Also some alpines  , Saponaria cypria and Scutellaria cypria and Scorzonera troodea.
Many thanks to Oron to identify these plants !
Al pictures are from  Troodos mountains .

Also, in the first photo of Scutellaria cypria, I spy Teucrium cyprium in the background (the tight-leaved fuzzy plant on the upper right).
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: cohan on January 14, 2010, 03:31:48 AM
wow! love those cyclamen leaves!
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: Sinchets on January 14, 2010, 08:03:22 AM
It is a beautiful Scutellaria, Kris.   :P
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: ranunculus on January 14, 2010, 08:47:01 AM
Beautiful images, Kris.
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 14, 2010, 06:56:39 PM
Beautiful images, Kris.
It is a beautiful Scutellaria, Kris.   :P
wow! love those cyclamen leaves!

Thanks for your comment . I am happy you like the pictures.

Simon - In 1999 first saw this Scutellaria cypria in Troodos Mountains , it looks it has a very long flowering period!
In 1999 we went in june and it was already in flower then .Even in november now it was flowering...
It could snow in november over there ,so the flowers maybe wil flower until they are covered by snow?
I tought that this plant once appear on the benches of an AGS-show .But I don't find this picture/article again ,so maybe I am just dreaming :-\   
 
Cohan ,I was impressed and surprised myself .I didn't expect that much variaton.The forms I know from cultivation here are often not so interesting.Also the leaves were very big in several sites !This I didn't  expect at all.
 
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 14, 2010, 07:00:43 PM
Also, in the first photo of Scutellaria cypria, I spy Teucrium cyprium in the background (the tight-leaved fuzzy plant on the upper right).

Very sharp eyes Mark,yes this plant is also growing in this area.   
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 14, 2010, 07:18:43 PM
Kris, marvelous plants and photographs, the Cyclamen leaf forms are gorgeous!  I had to respond here after seeing your Saponaria cypria, because back in 2000 I received seed from North American Rock Garden Society seedlist of Saponaria cypria collected in the Troodos Mts.  Just to let everyone know, it turns out this gem of a plant is perfectly hardy and easy to grow.  Not only that, it flowers in late July to August, when little else is blooming.
I uploaded some photos.  The first three are in 2002, with small plants blooming in pots... while small, the profile shot gives a good idea of the viscous pubescence of this plant.  The long sticky red tube on each flower is something!  Even though initially grown in pots, the pots just sat on the ground over winter, no problem with hardiness.  Then there are photos of the plant growing in my garden, one from late July 2007, and two more views taken late July 2009.  Wish I could also get some of the endemic "scoots" & "toooks" in Cyprus (Scutellaria & Teucrium species), there are some very fine ones there.

Mark , thanks for posting this wonderful pictures. Always when I see some more or less unusual plants at their natural habitat I ask myself : are they allready in cultivation,are  they suitable for our rockgarden or alpine house and so on....Then I start to wonder is there anybody who does ?
You gave me an answer on this question ! Great result ,and I am happy to know that it is possible in this case.Want to try it once  ,becuase it looks very good.As we see this Saponaria is unjustly unknown.
I must ask myself one question, how does this Saponaria react on our very wet winters?   
Are they snowcovered in your garden?     

Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: Sinchets on January 14, 2010, 07:29:31 PM
Simon - In 1999 first saw this Scutellaria cypria in Troodos Mountains , it looks it has a very long flowering period!
In 1999 we went in june and it was already in flower then .Even in november now it was flowering...
It could snow in november over there ,so the flowers maybe wil flower until they are covered by snow?
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Now that gives me hope- now all I need to do is find seed!
I once grew Saponaria sicula intermedia on a raised bed in the UK- it was very happy there and flowered very year for a few years. It had a more lax form than the ones you show Kris, and sadly never set seed so I no longer have it.
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: cohan on January 14, 2010, 09:16:56 PM
Cohan ,I was impressed and surprised myself .I didn't expect that much variaton.The forms I know from cultivation here are often not so interesting.Also the leaves were very big in several sites !This I didn't  expect at all.
 

that is what i keep thinking!-esp with persicum (i was never so familiar with other species, so they are all marvellous to me)-i sometimes wonder if they deliberately picked the dullest forms for mass production! but i suppose they were focussed on other silly things, like flower stem length etc...(i mean, i love the flowers, but all the flowers are nice anyway...)
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: TheOnionMan on January 14, 2010, 10:13:02 PM
Great result, and I am happy to know that it is possible in this case. Want to try it once, becuase it looks very good. As we see this Saponaria is unjustly unknown. I must ask myself one question, how does this Saponaria react on our very wet winters?   
Are they snowcovered in your garden?     

Yes, we have wet and snowy winters, right now the plants are covered with about 30 cm of hard-packed icy snow.  Spring is the dangerous time for plants here, when they can get too wet, alternating freezing and thaws, long rains and late snows.  The plants in the photograph are planted in a raised mound of mostly sandy soil, they seem to like it there.  I've never had seed form on my plants.  Interesting too, is that it is a night bloomer, not strictly so, but in the first 2009 photo you can see that in mid afternoon most flowers are closed up, but there are buds there that'll open later in the afternoon when the light gets low, these will last all night and into the morning hours the next day. Maybe we don't have the right species of moth to pollinate the flowers?

In the small book "Cyprus Flora in Colour, The Endemics", it says of Saponaria cypria flowers, "opening in the evening and closing about noon of the following day".
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: TheOnionMan on January 14, 2010, 10:27:29 PM
In 1999 first saw this Scutellaria cypria in Troodos Mountains , it looks it has a very long flowering period!
In 1999 we went in june and it was already in flower then .Even in november now it was flowering...
It could snow in november over there ,so the flowers maybe wil flower until they are covered by snow?

I have a small book "Cyprus Flora in Colour, The Endemics".  There are two forms listed (and pictured) of Scutellaria cypria, one is S. cypria var cypria.  This form, which reaches the altitudinal limits in Troodos Mts (1950 m) and is the more dwarf of the two forms, may be found in two color forms, red or yellow... looks like you photographed both. The book shows the yellow form, which does has red coloration at the top of the flower.  Flower time is listed as May-July.

Then there is S. cypria var. elatior, and what a stunner this one is!  It grows taller, 20-50 cm, with larger many-flowered panicles of hairy crimson flowers and white lips. It grows at lower elevations, 450-1150 m.  Flower time listed as April - June.  Any of these would be exciting to have in cultivation.
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 17, 2010, 10:20:44 AM
that is what i keep thinking!-esp with persicum (i was never so familiar with other species, so they are all marvellous to me)-i sometimes wonder if they deliberately picked the dullest forms for mass production! but i suppose they were focussed on other silly things, like flower stem length etc...(i mean, i love the flowers, but all the flowers are nice anyway...)
Cohan ,same problem with flowers .From some alpines we only see in cultivation  plants with very small flowers ,while in nature we can sometimes  see forms with huge flowers. 
I think that there is a simple reason ...There are many seedcollectors and they collect seeds in nature from plants that they haven't see when they are flowering.So you never know if the seeds are from plants with interesting flowers.With  these more or less "uninteresting" plants they start to breed  here in cultivation.
On the other hand ,as we go to take pictures of course we search for extremes ..

With cyclamen-leaves it  is maybe the same ?I suppose that by the time that seeds are collected in habitat from these persicums ,the leaves already are turned to dry ?So they never know from wich plants they took seeds?For really good seedcollections I think they have to go different times and have to label plants on the location...Of course this is not possible...
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 17, 2010, 10:27:26 AM
I have a small book "Cyprus Flora in Colour, The Endemics".  There are two forms listed (and pictured) of Scutellaria cypria, one is S. cypria var cypria.  This form, which reaches the altitudinal limits in Troodos Mts (1950 m) and is the more dwarf of the two forms, may be found in two color forms, red or yellow... looks like you photographed both. The book shows the yellow form, which does has red coloration at the top of the flower.  Flower time is listed as May-July.
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Thanks Mark for your information, very interesting.Is it a good book and is it still available you think ?
I think we didn't see the second form named elatior .
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 17, 2010, 10:41:35 AM
Great result, and I am happy to know that it is possible in this case. Want to try it once, becuase it looks very good. As we see this Saponaria is unjustly unknown. I must ask myself one question, how does this Saponaria react on our very wet winters?   
Are they snowcovered in your garden?     

Yes, we have wet and snowy winters, right now the plants are covered with about 30 cm of hard-packed icy snow.  Spring is the dangerous time for plants here, when they can get too wet, alternating freezing and thaws, long rains and late snows.  The plants in the photograph are planted in a raised mound of mostly sandy soil, they seem to like it there.  I've never had seed form on my plants.  Interesting too, is that it is a night bloomer, not strictly so, but in the first 2009 photo you can see that in mid afternoon most flowers are closed up, but there are buds there that'll open later in the afternoon when the light gets low, these will last all night and into the morning hours the next day. Maybe we don't have the right species of moth to pollinate the flowers?
In the small book "Cyprus Flora in Colour, The Endemics", it says of Saponaria cypria flowers, "opening in the evening and closing about noon of the following day".

Mark ,
I hope your Saponaria's come in to seed sometimes ,actually I wan't to ask you earlier on if  you could spare some seeds .But it looks that this question is premature...
The area where the Saponaria's grows is also the area from another very desirable plant !
Unfortunate ,this one only flowering for a short period and even in may 1999 we are to late for that one .
It is Onosma troodi,and I hoped   to find few seeds now in november but it was even to late for that ...
Only can show a picture from an unflowering plant.
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 17, 2010, 10:54:47 AM
Again few pictures from Cyprus .......From a Geastrum spec. ,Pinus nigra (subsp pallasiana?) and the fine Arabis purpurea .This Arabis I can grow here in our rockgarden since 1999 .I growed it from  few seeds that we could collect in 1999 . It is not that hardy .Previous year my seedgrown plants from 1999 are al destroyed in the rockgarden by frost .But here it is occasional that it is minus 10
I was lucky that I had few in the  greenhouse ...So I could replace them.   
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: Sinchets on January 17, 2010, 12:28:16 PM
A lovely little Onosma too, Kris.
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 17, 2010, 05:44:30 PM
A lovely little Onosma too, Kris.

I agree Simon ,but never see this one in cultivation .Don't know why ?
Far as I know one of the smallest ?
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: Sinchets on January 17, 2010, 06:16:37 PM
To my knowledge yes it does look to be one of the smallest, almost like a goodwell behaved Cerastium the way it forms its mat.
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: TheOnionMan on January 18, 2010, 01:08:11 AM
A lovely little Onosma too, Kris.

I agree Simon ,but never see this one in cultivation .Don't know why ?
Far as I know one of the smallest ?

Onosma is a big genus, but it seems so few are actually in cultivation.  The ones I have tried have seemed easy in cultivation.  I posted two species in Plant Identifications SRGC page that I'm looking for an ID on.  There is a photo in "Cyprus Flora in Colour - The Endemics" of O. troodi, but it is a rather poor photo.  It reports the height as 15-20 cm, flowers yellow, rocky slopes in serpentine, 1600-1950 m altitude... status: Strictly protected.  Reginald Farrer writes about O. troodi "from the crevices of Troodos in Crete, is a twin to O. nanum in minute habit, but has even smaller leafage (not rough, but clad in tighter-ironed downy hairiness), and very much smaller yellowish flowers huddled in a head".

By the way, what is the little silver-leafed plant just to the upper right of of the Onosma troodi foliage?  Looks like an Alyssum, or maybe a Helichrysum?
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: TheOnionMan on January 18, 2010, 03:23:56 AM
Hello folks,

To add to the discussion of plants seen in Cyprus, I scanned a page from "Cyprus Flora in Colour, The Endemics" by V. Pantelas, T. Papachristophorou, P. Christodoulou, to show two photographs of endemic Scutellaria species pertinent to this discussion. On the left is Scutellaria cypria var. elatior, and on the right, Scutellaria cypria var. cypria.
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: Sinchets on January 18, 2010, 09:03:00 AM
They are both stunners, Mark.
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 18, 2010, 05:05:40 PM
Hello folks,
To add to the discussion of plants seen in Cyprus, I have scanned a page from "Cyprus Flora in Colour, The Endemics" by V. Pantelas, T. Papachristophorou, P. Christodoulou, to illustrate, using fair use, with no attempt to plagerise, steal, or make profit, two photographs of endemic Scutellaria species pertinent to this discussion. On the left is Scutellaria cypria var. elatior, and on the right, Scutellaria cypria var. cypria.

Thanks Mark, with no doubt a good addition to this interesting discussion.
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 18, 2010, 05:18:24 PM
There is a photo in "Cyprus Flora in Colour - The Endemics" of O. troodi, but it is a rather poor photo.  It reports the height as 15-20 cm, flowers yellow, rocky slopes in serpentine, 1600-1950 m altitude... status: Strictly protected.  Reginald Farrer writes about O. troodi "from the crevices of Troodos in Crete, is a twin to O. nanum in minute habit, but has even smaller leafage (not rough, but clad in tighter-ironed downy hairiness), and very much smaller yellowish flowers huddled in a head".
By the way, what is the little silver-leafed plant just to the upper right of of the Onosma troodi foliage?  Looks like an Alyssum, or maybe a Helichrysum?

Mark I think this Onosma only reaches that height when in flower ,otherwise its growing flat to the ground.
You even must look carefully when they are not in flower ...
Protected , I can understand because there are not many on the locations where we found it.
I must have a better picture from our trip in 1999 ,but this is not a digital one ....It is a slide (I don't know how you call it )

The grey/silver one is Alyssum troodi wich is very common in this area.They where flowering in june during our visit in 1999. 
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: TheOnionMan on January 18, 2010, 05:45:56 PM

Mark I think this Onosma only reaches that height when in flower ,otherwise its growing flat to the ground.
You even must look carefully when they are not in flower ...
Protected , I can understand because there are not many on the locations where we found it.
I must have a better picture from our trip in 1999 ,but this is not a digital one ....It is a slide (I don't know how you call it )

The grey/silver one is Alyssum troodi wich is very common in this area.They where flowering in june during our visit in 1999. 

To add to the discussion of plants seen in Cyprus, I scanned a page from "Cyprus Flora in Colour, The Endemics" by V. Pantelas, T. Papachristophorou, P. Christodoulou, to show a photograph of endemic Alyssum troodi pertinent to this discussion.  There are two other endemic low-elevation Alyssum species too, A. akamasicum & A. chondrogynum.  Alyssum troodi looks like a good species for a rock garden.
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 18, 2010, 05:58:15 PM
Alyssum troodi looks like a good species for a rock garden.

I agree that it must be  very good and usefull for our rockgardens.
I haven't tried it yet. It think it is happy under  screeconditions , in raised beds and in dry/hot gardens .
I try to grow Alysum caespitosum at home ,don't know yet how this one comes through our cold winter ?
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 19, 2010, 10:02:43 AM
A very nice one indeed - almost like a good eriogonum !  8)
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 19, 2010, 06:11:19 PM
I  have seen also  a Colchicum in the Troodos mountains,it  was not in flower at that moment and has already his leaves. I suppose this was Colchicum troodi ?
My brother -who travelled with us- remained  one week longer in Cyprus and was fortunate to see another Colchicum .(on lower elavations)
I ask him a copy of his picture so I can post this one to in the near future.   
I know he did also see a georgous persicum ,and for this you have to wait another moment.
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: TheOnionMan on January 19, 2010, 06:40:09 PM
I  have seen also  a Colchicum in the Troodos mountains,it  was not in flower at that moment and has already his leaves. I suppose this was Colchicum troodi ?

Kris, Colchicum troodi does not appear in my little book of plants endemic to Cyprus, but it seems C. troodi has a broader distribution even if originally named (I'm assuming) for its occurence in the Troodos area.  Found a good link here, with some very good photos of the plant occuring in Israel.  Looks like a rather good species.  PS:  The google toolbar translate feature is useful on the link below.

http://flora.huji.ac.il/browse.asp?action=specie&specie=COLTRO
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 19, 2010, 10:13:51 PM
I  have seen also  a Colchicum in the Troodos mountains,it  was not in flower at that moment and has already his leaves. I suppose this was Colchicum troodi ?

Kris, Colchicum troodi does not appear in my little book of plants endemic to Cyprus, but it seems C. troodi has a broader distribution even if originally named (I'm assuming) for its occurence in the Troodos area.  Found a good link here, with some very good photos of the plant occuring in Israel.  Looks like a rather good species.  PS:  The google toolbar translate feature is useful on the link below.

http://flora.huji.ac.il/browse.asp?action=specie&specie=COLTRO

Very useful link Mark ,good pictures to .This time also pictures from the leaves (this is not the case in many    occasions)I wil compare the pictures with what we saw overthere and what I noticed...
Come back on this item..
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on January 19, 2010, 10:23:12 PM
I  have seen also  a Colchicum in the Troodos mountains,it  was not in flower at that moment and has already his leaves. I suppose this was Colchicum troodi ?

Kris, Colchicum troodi does not appear in my little book of plants endemic to Cyprus, but it seems C. troodi has a broader distribution even if originally named (I'm assuming) for its occurence in the Troodos area.  Found a good link here, with some very good photos of the plant occuring in Israel.  Looks like a rather good species.  PS:  The google toolbar translate feature is useful on the link below.

http://flora.huji.ac.il/browse.asp?action=specie&specie=COLTRO

For English Speakers the site has an English Language button, top left of the page..... that's even more useful. ;)
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: Diane Clement on January 19, 2010, 11:38:21 PM
Kris, Colchicum troodi does not appear in my little book of plants endemic to Cyprus, but it seems C. troodi has a broader distribution even if originally named (I'm assuming) for its occurence in the Troodos area.  Found a good link here, with some very good photos of the plant occuring in Israel.  Looks like a rather good species.  PS:  The google toolbar translate feature is useful on the link below. 

The classification of C troodi has undergone some change recently.  The Turkish form is now called Colchicum decaisnei, and I think that includes the form from Israel as in the link as it gives the synonym C decaisnei.  So perhaps C troodi is just endemic to Cyprus? 
In cultivation, I found C decaisnei to be a rather smaller and more delicate species than C troodi
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 20, 2010, 04:54:54 PM
Kris, Colchicum troodi does not appear in my little book of plants endemic to Cyprus, but it seems C. troodi has a broader distribution even if originally named (I'm assuming) for its occurence in the Troodos area.  Found a good link here, with some very good photos of the plant occuring in Israel.  Looks like a rather good species.  PS:  The google toolbar translate feature is useful on the link below.  

The classification of C troodi has undergone some change recently.  The Turkish form is now called Colchicum decaisnei, and I think that includes the form from Israel as in the link as it gives the synonym C decaisnei.  So perhaps C troodi is just endemic to Cyprus?  
In cultivation, I found C decaisnei to be a rather smaller and more delicate species than C troodi

Diane ,this is also what I found ,so it is probably  C troodi ...
Far as I know there are 4 species stated for Cyprus : pusillum ,troodi,stevenii,hiemale .
But hiemale is maybe a synonym ? I think that pusillum ,stevenii have smaller leaves? and grow not at that height (Troodos mts ).So by elimination and  pending on more observations or input from other specialists I keep it by troodi .
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: Diane Clement on January 20, 2010, 08:02:17 PM
But hiemale is maybe a synonym ?

Kris, yes, C hiemale is a synonym for C pusillum
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: TheOnionMan on January 20, 2010, 08:07:40 PM
Mark I think this Onosma only reaches that height when in flower ,otherwise its growing flat to the ground.
You even must look carefully when they are not in flower. Protected , I can understand because there are not many on the locations where we found it. I must have a better picture from our trip in 1999 ,but this is not a digital one ....It is a slide (I don't know how you call it ).

Doing some research trying to find an ID on two Onosma species (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4840.0) I came across a reference in Reginald Farrer's The English Rock Garden to Onosma mite that comes from Lycia and Cyprus.  Checking IPNI.org, that species name should be O. mitis.  Described by Farrer: "makes masses of soft wool, as its name declares, and the masses are but 2 inches high, while the erect-lobed yellow blossoms are borne in heads on stems of seven or nine.  This will require cherishing, as its home is in the hot pine-stretches of Lycia and Cyprus."    Kris, have you seen this one?  There is another endemic, O. fruticosum, I uploaded a scan from Cyprus Flora in Colour, The Endemics, to add to the discussion.  This species grows from sea level to 1100 m.

Some photo links here:
http://www.biolib.cz/en/taxon/id456294/
http://www.biolib.cz/en/taxonimage/id47525/?taxonid=456294
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: cohan on January 21, 2010, 12:50:32 AM
more great stuff!
kris--i agree, seed collecting is a difficult business-i have started doing it in my own area, where i can try to go back repeatedly to the same sites to find particular plants, but still sometimes dont catch things at the right time; i am doing a little collecting in the foothills/mountains also (cannot collect at the high places, all are protected, and if there is a permit system, i have not yet found it!) and some spots i have been lucky to go back when i can find a plant in seed that i saw in flower, but to choose special individuals is not possible!

the onosma is very nice--reminds me of succulent plecranthus species..
the geastrum is interesting, i'm not even sure what i am seeing, will have to look it up!...
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 21, 2010, 08:16:05 PM
Mark , did see only Onosma troodi  during our trip in november.But the main target was Cyclamen cyprium, persicum and the high places on Mt Olympus.The period  of our visit  was only one week ,I am sure you can botanize much longer overthere and see a lot more.Maybe we did see those other Onosma's in 1999 but for that I have to search in my slides (and since there is the digital photo ...).
On the other hand it is interesting to know ,maybe I return to Cyprus once as it has a lot more to show in other seasons. 

Cohan , I am also a succulent-lover so I can understand your choices.
I started my cacti and succulent collection in 1984 .
The geastrum ,I have no idea.It was even the first time to see this one.   
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 24, 2010, 10:56:25 AM
Of course Cyprus is also very good for archaeological things...
Few examples and pictures. First two :tombs of the kings   
Other two ,archaeological site of Paphos with famous mosaics.
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: cohan on January 25, 2010, 01:35:40 AM
Of course Cyprus is also very good for archaeological things...
Few examples and pictures. First two :tombs of the kings   
Other two ,archaeological site of Paphos with famous mosaics.

very nice--coming from a rather young country and even younger province(those who were living here first didnt leave behind a lot of buildings!) i always love ancient buildings/ruins;
when they are on an interesting site, as we can see, i would also soon be wandering off into the bushes to see what is growing  ;D
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 25, 2010, 05:51:05 PM
very nice--coming from a rather young country and even younger province(those who were living here first didnt leave behind a lot of buildings!) i always love ancient buildings/ruins;
when they are on an interesting site, as we can see, i would also soon be wandering off into the bushes to see what is growing  ;D
Hi Cohan ,as we find out during several trips - mainly in Greece -monasterys,archaeological sites,churches,graveyards are often a very good place to find fine plants .So I look at the beautiful and touristic objects but also as soon as possible go to look for plants.
There is another  advantage on such places, our women are more bizzy there too... ;D     
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: cohan on January 27, 2010, 07:46:59 AM
i guess such places are not cultivated and more protected?
good to keep your other halves happy ;)
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 27, 2010, 06:35:36 PM
i guess such places are not cultivated and more protected?
good to keep your other halves happy ;)

This must be one of the important reasons anyway.
In general I must be very happy with the efforts Ingrid makes to follow me through many trips in nature to find plants.I must admit that I was to enthusiastic in several  occasions...
But its always smart to use some tricks  ;D
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: TheOnionMan on January 28, 2010, 03:52:24 PM
FYI, a neat Cyprus endemic species shown in another SRGC thread:

Ornithogalum chionophilum
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4899.0;topicseen
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 28, 2010, 08:04:35 PM
Good to know and happy to see. Because I am rather bizzy these days I shure be missed it  8)
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on February 09, 2010, 09:31:21 PM
My brother -who travelled with us- remained  one week longer in Cyprus and was fortunate to see another Colchicum .(on lower elavations)
I ask him a copy of his picture so I can post this one to in the near future.   
I know he did also see a georgous persicum ,and for this you have to wait another moment.

As I promised earlier on here again two pictures.
The first is the Colchicum ,could anyone identify this as Colchicum pusillum ? Or is this something else?
The second a gorgeous leaf-form from Cyclamen persicum.
Both pictures are made by Danny who is my brother and also a plantsman.
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: cohan on February 10, 2010, 07:06:50 AM
My brother -who travelled with us- remained  one week longer in Cyprus and was fortunate to see another Colchicum .(on lower elavations)
I ask him a copy of his picture so I can post this one to in the near future.   
I know he did also see a georgous persicum ,and for this you have to wait another moment.

As I promised earlier on here again two pictures.
The first is the Colchicum ,could anyone identify this as Colchicum pusillum ? Or is this something else?
The second a gorgeous leaf-form from Cyclamen persicum.
Both pictures are made by Danny who is my brother and also a plantsman.


another brilliant cyclamen!
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on February 11, 2010, 04:51:02 PM
As I promised earlier on here again two pictures.
The first is the Colchicum ,could anyone identify this as Colchicum pusillum ? Or is this something else?
The second a gorgeous leaf-form from Cyclamen persicum.
Both pictures are made by Danny who is my brother and also a plantsman.

Hi Kris

The Colchicum is C. stevenii, interestingly, the population of this species in Cyprus have dark anthers.
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: TheOnionMan on March 06, 2010, 10:24:40 PM
Just following up on the Cyprus endemic Saponaria cypria (see the first page of this thread).  Today the snow receded off parts of the garden, and checking it out, I was reminded that this little wonder, S. cypria, is evergreen through the winter and looking fresh and ready to grow.  Checking the label, I see I planted this in 1999, so it seems long-lived as well (knock on wood, it has never set seed for me).
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on March 09, 2010, 09:47:11 PM
Just following up on the Cyprus endemic Saponaria cypria (see the first page of this thread).  Today the snow receded off parts of the garden, and checking it out, I was reminded that this little wonder, S. cypria, is evergreen through the winter and looking fresh and ready to grow.  Checking the label, I see I planted this in 1999, so it seems long-lived as well (knock on wood, it has never set seed for me).

Looks very healthy Mark ! I hope you get some seeds on it sometimes.This plant deserves to be widely grow in our rockgardens! 
Thanks for showing ,always a good idea to compare plants from the wild and in our gardens at home.
Title: Re: trip to Cyprus -november 2009
Post by: TheOnionMan on March 09, 2010, 10:44:53 PM

Looks very healthy Mark ! I hope you get some seeds on it sometimes. This plant deserves to be widely grow in our rockgardens! 
Thanks for showing ,always a good idea to compare plants from the wild and in our gardens at home.

You're right, it does need to be more widely grown.  Since it will not set seed, tomorrow morning I'll take some cuttings.  If any root, I'll start spreading them around. :)
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