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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Oron Peri on January 11, 2010, 04:57:29 PM
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Pseudomuscari inconstrictum [Syn. Muscari inconstrictum] starts to bloom in the Jordan Valley, it is quite common in Jordan and much less in Israel.
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Unusual color ,and the environment also Oron.
Alow me to think for some Primula's we have seen in Sichuan .
(the color of the flowers)
Nice to see this.
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Lovely pics, Oron. Can't help but look at a landscape like that and wonder what it was like during the last ice age!
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Oron,
Great colour on the Muscari. Awesome scenery it has every day. ;D
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A beautiful species Oron. So far seedlings here are surviving temperatures down to about -5oC under glass. Thanks again for showing us these fascinating pictures of wild populations & their growing conditions.
The 2009 Muscari thread was excellent & provides an invaluable reference. Should we continue it or start a new one for 2010?
Thanks Maggi :-*
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The 2009 Muscari thread was excellent & provides an invaluable reference. Should we continue it or start a new one for 2010?
I have made a new thread, Ashley. :)
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Muscari inconstrictum starts to bloom in the Jordan Valley, it is quite common in Jordan and much less in Israel.
My M. inconstrictum (from Iraq) still didn't flowered with me, hope this spring. The landscape looks something similar by color to that of Muscari adilii at locus classicus. Here two pictures made in wild and one from my collection - I specially baught white marble chips to make pot-cover (background) similar to that in nature.
Janis
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Janis,
that M. adilii looks fantastic :P
What is LST mean under the pictures? I think these are the collectors!
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Super muscari, never heard and seen. Thanks for showing.
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M. adilii is beautiful Janis, with very dense heads. Will it be on your list this year?
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Ashley,Janis doesn't appear to be on line at the moment, but it is in the years catalogue.
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Thanks Michael. I haven't got mine yet but post is erratic at the moment.
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Janis,
that M. adilii looks fantastic :P
What is LST mean under the pictures? I think these are the collectors!
LST - Latvian (Janis Ruksans, Arnis Seisums) Swedish (Henrik Zetterlund, Gerben Tjerdsma) Turkey Expedition.
Janis
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M. adilii is beautiful Janis, with very dense heads. Will it be on your list this year?
Yes, it is front page picture of my new catalogue.
Janis
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Having been advised that this is a Muscari, at the suggestion of Fermi I have taken another photo of this plant and moved it to this thread (I originally enquired if anyone knew which Bellevalia sp it is) I collected seed of this plant on the island of Hydra, Greece in 1984. I have grown it under cover of glass ever since and it always flowers well. Can anyone advise which species it might be?
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Muscari neglectum?
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Melvyn
The more I look at it i think it is a rare color form of Muscari neglectum.
I excluded any hybridization with other species from the muscarimia group due to the structure of the flowers.
To my knowledge [off course i might be wrong] there aren't any other species in that area that your plant might belong to.
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Simon, we where writing our messages the same time and both got to the same result... :)
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I had a similar idea, Oron- a plant with less dark blue pigmentation.
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Not sure if this is the correct page for this one? Hyacinthella glabrescens, maybe I should have given it another week before picturing it but, God help us, it didn't rain today. Cold though and very grey and not a day to be hanging around out doors.
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And a little cutie it is too, David. I can't say I blame you for taking the picture early, mine were just putting their noses up last week before the snow- won't see them again for a week or two now ::)
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A tantalising glimpse of your Hycinthella glabrescens though, David, and really pretty colour - a sort Delft blue - when fully out can you post another photo?
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Another super early bulb David, was this one under the Mrs radar too!?
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You guessed Chris ;D
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a couple of early muscari out at the moment.
The first is from Delphi and the second from Gargano in Italy
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The tiny Hyacinthella lazulina is actually in flower.
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Tony,
are your two muscari M. neglectum?
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The tiny Hyacinthella lazulina is actually in flower.
Hans
That's a real beauty and definitely feels at home with you. :o
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I agree with Oron, Hans, the Hyacinthella lazulina colour is superb against the rocks - I love it :D
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Thanks Robin and Oron!
Actually flowering Muscari inconstrictum, something different to those Oron posted.
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Hans, your image of H lazulina reminded me of a problematic species seen last February on a trip to the Eastern Taurus; seen on the Bazat Pass, north of Kozan. Could this also be H lazulina?? Hans, Oron, any thoughts?
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Hans
In my opinion your Muscari looks more M. commutatum rather than M. inconstrictum: the mouth is more open, bell shaped, in incostrictum.
Dave,
It does look like H. lazulina and i think the location you have given is not very far from the original find in Gulnar.
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Hyacinthella nervosa is common in the area of Petra,
interestingly it appears in all pastel colors and not in its usual blue color.
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That is interesting, Oron. I've never seen a non-blue Hyacinthella before. Thanks ;)
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Oron thanks of showing this wonderful small beauties! :D
Dave, I agree with Oron, but I am not an expert. ;) They look very similar to those I grow.
Hans
In my opinion your Muscari looks more M. commutatum rather than M. inconstrictum: the mouth is more open, bell shaped, in incostrictum.
Thanks Oron, this is a form of Cyprus, which seems to be quite different to the more eastern plants you have shown. In my opinion the mouth of the flowers it is not constricted enough for beeing M.commutatum and maybe the racemen of flowers should be denser.
Here a pic which shows a similar plant: http://rareplants.co.uk/product.asp?s=hjnwzY462707&strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=3351&strPageHistory=search&numSearchStartRecord=1
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Hans
In my opinion your Muscari looks more M. commutatum rather than M. inconstrictum: the mouth is more open, bell shaped, in incostrictum.
Thanks Oron, this is a form of Cyprus, which seems to be quite different to the more eastern plants you have shown. In my opinion the mouth of the flowers it is not constricted enough for beeing M.commutatum and maybe the racemen of flowers should be denser.
Here a pic which shows a similar plant: http://rareplants.co.uk/product.asp?s=hjnwzY462707&strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=3351&strPageHistory=search&numSearchStartRecord=1
Thanks Hans
Muscari inconstrictum was first described in the 50's by K.H. Rechinger from a specimen found in Petra.
I attach a photo of the true to type plant which i have photographed just a few days ago.
As you can notice the flowers are elongated, bell shaped and some thing i have noticed also in this species is that the basic color is more blue then purple and the color of the buds is vivid Green, this occurs also in the Israeli populations.
The form of the flowers in M. commutatum are generally more puffy, constricted mouth, with no trace of this clear blue.
How ever i have to add two things:
Both species are registered from Cyprus, I have been there quite a few times and couldn't indicate a plant which is similar to the more eastern populations.
But i have read more then once that there is a form from Cyprus that is considered to be a ssp. of inconstrictum [name is not given], might this form is the one you grow?
Or is there a transition form between the two species?
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Thanks, Oron and Hans. I eventually tracked down the location of Gulnar, west of Tarsus, whereas Kozan is east. :)
Some wonderful small gems both of you, thanks for showing.
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Thanks Oron - glad not to be botanist. ;D
I had received this plant from a very skilled plantsman so I have / had no doubt about the correctness of the name.
It is just wonderful to have such a great forum with specialsts from all over the world! :D
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An impatient Hyacinthella which has slowly been making its way up over the last few days.
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An impatient Hyacinthella which has slowly been making its way up over the last few days.
Ooh, an incredible deep blue, and love that succulent foliage. What Hyacinthella species is it?
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Hyacinthella heldreichii I think- I am still waiting for it to show more leaf ;)
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That's such a beauty Simon. Is it the one you showed us last year?
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No, Ashley that was another plant. This one was unlabelled and I am awaiting the leaves to see if it is a correct id on my part.
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for anyone interested there is a cracking picure (by John Evans) of a lovely potful of Hyacinthella glabrescens exhibited by Bob and Rannveig Wallis at the Harlow Show on Saturday, on the AGS Web Site. See http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/discussion/atshows/HARLOW+SHOW/353/#bottom
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David thanks for the link...some potfull to die for... :o :o :o
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Many blue flowered bulbs now pushing up in my garden
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David thanks for the link...some potfull to die for... :o :o :o
Heavenly :)
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Leopoldia comosa is in flower. A common species here.
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A beautiful photograph Miriam 8)
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A beautiful photograph Miriam 8)
I agree :)
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Hyacinthella nervosa is common in the area of Petra,
interestingly it appears in all pastel colors and not in its usual blue color.
fascinating thread--esp love the habitat shots--and this is maybe the most exciting so far! but that may be my perversity for always liking the species which is atypical in colour....
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Some pictures of Muscari azureum, Bellevalia pycnantha and Tulipa altaica flowering in my greenhouse at the moment. Iīm not sure if it really is B. pycnantha, at least I bought it under that name. Itīs a pretty plant anyways, lightly scented and very frost resistant (it survived -18°C on my balcony last winter).
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Your doubts about the Bellevalia have ground. I'm afraid it is not B.pycnantha. Looks a Muscari ffor me
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Verena, see this photo of Bellevalia pycnantha in the Pacific Bulb society site:
http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/Bellevalia/Bellevalia_pycnantha1_JL.jpg
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olegKon and Maggi,
Iīve looked at pictures of Bellevalia pycnantha on the web before and always thought that my plant "somehow" looked different, but I also read that cultivated B. pycnantha often was lighter in colour than the wild forms. However you are right, that it looks more like some sort of Muscari since the shape of the flowers is different. What species might it be? I bought it from rareplants.co.uk a few years ago and it has been an easy plant to grow ever since. It flowers every year but is very slow to increase. This year it finally seems to have produced two small offsets. Another bulb I bought under the name of Bellevalia pycnantha last year (this one is much more likely to be the real species) has split up into many small bulbils over the winter and hasnīt produced any flowers this spring. Probably it doesnīt like my growing conditions. Itīs the plant you can see on the picture in the same pot as the false B. pycnantha.
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Verena, I think your Muscari is a form of M. neglectum......
see this photo from a muscari website....http://home-3.tiscali.nl/~hennessy/index.htm .... photo is here:
http://home-3.tiscali.nl/~hennessy/images/neglectum.jpg
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Hyacinthus orientalis which this year seems to have benefited from the cold and stayed quite compact
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Very lovely hyacinthus Tony!
Quite often wild species are more charming then cultivars :D
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I agree, it's really lovely - how long will the flowers last and do they have a good scent Tony?
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They last perhaps ten days if it is cold and they have a terrific scent in the evening just like cultivated ones
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ID please.
I got this one from the AGS star seed under the name, Muscari subsp Botryanthus.
could it be Neglectum ?
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It does look like it, Michael. Was this listed as Muscari species STAR060? I have this collection growing too, but I am a few years behind you.
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Flowering here now is a Muscari, which was originally bought as M.pallens ::)
Also flowering now after the longest buildup ever- the flower stalk has been sitting waiting for several months- is Bellevalia mauretanica SL255
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'Tis the season for flowers of the Muscari ilk. Flowering here now are Hyacinthella dalmatica and one I have as Hyacinthella lazulina, but could be H.lineata. Also flowering is Muscari 'Early Rose'.
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Now you're way ahead of me Simon - great looking Muscari - the dark one is so 8)
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Lovely Simon, I particularly like the Hyacinthella dalmatica.
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Simon
Great, healthy looking plants :o
Do you know where your B. mauritanica is originated to?, first time i see a good photo of it,
Thanks for showing it.
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Thanks Gail and Robin.
Thanks, Oron. The Bellevalia mauretanica is from seed from Mike Salmon and his collection details are collection numberSL255, Zaghouan, Tunisia. I read somewhere that it was only a form of B.romana, but for me it is a huge improvement on this species and I can forgive it its large leaves for making such an impressive flower spike ;)
Flowering here now- what I am growing as Muscari azureum and M.chalusicum. Also Muscari neglectum.
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A muscari that I have lost the collection details but from Archibald seed. It has taken years to flower and now I think is heading for the compost heap.
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The compost heap? I'd put it in the garden first just to see if it develops a better form ;)
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It looks like muscarimi Tony, and as far as I can remember JJA list only one so provenance should be traceable.
Does it have a scent? Anyway, not the compost heap please :'(
Lovely things there Simon 8)
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A muscari that I have lost the collection details but from Archibald seed. It has taken years to flower and now I think is heading for the compost heap.
Hi Tony
I agree with Ashley, it is M. muscarimi.
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A muscari that I have lost the collection details but from Archibald seed. It has taken years to flower and now I think is heading for the compost heap.
Hi Tony
I agree with Ashley, it is M. muscarimi.
Tony - Ditto muscarimi. Mine was grown from Archibald #690.201 95 and I posted a shot recently.
johnw
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No scent that I can discern.
Ashley it will be on its way to you when it dies down.
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I'm sorry to hear that you don't want it Tony, but delighted to help it escape the dreaded CH ;) ;D
Thank you (again).
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Muscari Gul armeniacum
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A thing of beauty, Michael!
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Ooh, I've been thinking about that bulb all week or more since there were some other photos of it.... it is very nice!
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Muscari Gul armeniacum
I see delicious pink Muscari here, Simon posted M. 'Early Rose', and Michael's M. armeniacum 'Gul', both are beautiful. What is the background or parentage of 'Early Rose'? Does M. armeniacum 'Gul' represent a color selection of armeniacum , or possibly a hybrid of it with other species. Are these "good doers" when grown outside? Are they fertile and produce seed?
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Some more discussion of Muscari Gul Delight, here.......
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5164.msg142727;topicseen#msg142727
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Some more discussion of Mucari Gul Delight, here.......
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4969.msg138362#msg138362
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5164.msg142727;topicseen#msg142727
Thanks Maggi, first link useful for Muscari Gul Delight, hope to hear about 'Early Rose' too.
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'Tis the season for flowers of the Muscari ilk. Flowering here now are Hyacinthella dalmatica and one I have as Hyacinthella lazulina, but could be H.lineata. Also flowering is Muscari 'Early Rose'.
Superb color of EARLY ROSE. Never so completely pink and dark with me. The color intencity on it depends from temperature and soil pH. On more acid soils and at low temperatures pink is brighter.
Janis
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Mark,
Gul (not Gul Delight as I have no experience with it) is a good grower outside. I had it for several years in Kansas in a harsh z5 (-15F) climate and here in Tennessee also. I have noticed that the color varies by soil and temperature. In Kansas it was a much clearer dark pink and here in the acidic Tennessee amended laterite-esqe soil it is a dirty pale pink. I posted images last year. It sets seed regularly and offsets slowly for me. I've sent some to friends in New England. Mine is still not showing any inflorescences so far.... a very late year. The Hepatica are just beginning.
Where can I get "Early Rose"?
Aaron
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Mark,
Gul (not Gul Delight as I have no experience with it) is a good grower outside. I had it for several years in Kansas in a harsh z5 (-15F) climate and here in Tennessee also. I have noticed that the color varies by soil and temperature. In Kansas it was a much clearer dark pink and here in the acidic Tennessee amended laterite-esqe soil it is a dirty pale pink. I posted images last year. It sets seed regularly and offsets slowly for me. I've sent some to friends in New England. Mine is still not showing any inflorescences so far.... a very late year. The Hepatica are just beginning.
Where can I get "Early Rose"?
Aaron
That's good to hear that Gul (not Gul Delight) was hardy for you in Kansas in Zone 5, so if I can find it it should be okay in my zone 5 garden. If you find a source for 'Early Rose', let us know. Still would like to find out more about 'Early Rose'.
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Mark,
Gul (not Gul Delight as I have no experience with it) is a good grower outside. I had it for several years in Kansas in a harsh z5 (-15F) climate and here in Tennessee also. I have noticed that the color varies by soil and temperature. In Kansas it was a much clearer dark pink and here in the acidic Tennessee amended laterite-esqe soil it is a dirty pale pink. I posted images last year. It sets seed regularly and offsets slowly for me. I've sent some to friends in New England. Mine is still not showing any inflorescences so far.... a very late year. The Hepatica are just beginning.
Where can I get "Early Rose"?
Aaron
That's good to hear that Gul (not Gul Delight) was hardy for you in Kansas in Zone 5, so if I can find it it should be okay in my zone 5 garden. If you find a source for 'Early Rose', let us know. Still would like to find out more about 'Early Rose'.
Early Rose is seedling of White-Rose Beauty. There were 3 seedlings with more prominent pink color in flowers. One very early named PINK SUNRISE, another very late named PINK SUNSET - both were sold to Dutch company. The third (the most pink shaded) was later named EARLY ROSE and this is one offered by me, too. White-rose Beauty was selected by my friend Aldonis Verinsh (Latvia) from material initially got by him from N Caucasus as Muscari pallens, but exact collecting locality was unknown to him. Of course it isn't M. pallens, I think it is new species, some suppose that hybrid, but no real splitting in following generations observed, only variation in color. It well set seeds. Greatest problem - very susceptible to viruses although as most of Muscari don't suffer from infection seriously. For that reason (and some genetical researches) it was sown in great numbers at breeding station of garden plants in Lithuania (in Soviet time) and from those my friend Dambrauskas selected those 3 flower types of pink form. Two other cultivars is SKY BLUE - very light blue with white sterile flowers and DARK EYES with dark blue flowers and light blue sterile flowers. In eighties of last century I brought all three initial stocks to Michael Hoog 200 bulbs of each and from him they came to wide market. Only White-rose Beauty was renamed by him as WHITE BEAUTY because weather in Holland is warmer and pink shade was very pale and in some very warm springs even absent.
Regarding GUL - it is very poor grower with me outside and I'm growing it now only in pots. It split slowly, needs cutting but well reproduces from seed. Occasional blue appears between seedlings.
Janis
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Thanks Janis for this interesting story, it seems that some plants have considerable complicated history behind them, not always well known. :)
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Hyacinthella dalmatica is just starting to flower here
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Really cute, Wim, especially with the raindrops - do they always come up double?
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Really cute, Wim, especially with the raindrops - do they always come up double?
Thanks Robin,
finally we got some rain here, it started to get quite dry here.
I don't think they always come up double, although they did last year too, you can see that here:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3329.msg85314#msg85314
You can see them flowering with single flowers and with the flowers more open in a picture of Simon here:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4817.msg144037#msg144037
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Thanks for the links Wim, they really are very attractive with the dark eyes and the way they sit low in the leaf spread 8)
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Hallo, I have only a few species of Muscari, but this one flowers as first here and I love him very much. Cheers Igor
Muscari discolor
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Flowering here now:
Bellevalia sarmatica and what I have been growing as Muscari steupii, which is apparently a synonym or form of M.armeniacum(?)
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Two more I have here, which I am trying to pin names to. I have both as Muscari species nova 'Dark Eyes' and this is the first flowering in several years- though they have bulked up well from remnants near the label they are now with. I would be interested to know if the name is correct.
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Two more I have here, which I am trying to pin names to. I have both as Muscari species nova 'Dark Eyes' and this is the first flowering in several years- though they have bulked up well from remnants near the label they are now with. I would be interested to know if the name is correct.
At first look I thought it is SKY BLUE, but checking my pictures found it correct. Still far from blooming here.
Janis
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Here picture of first three varieties of this muscari and new one - Pink Sunrise (sold to Holland)
Janis
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Very nice.
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Flowering here today, both of them bought as Muscari muscarimi. The first one is, I don't know what the second is though ???
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Flowering here today, both of them bought as Muscari muscarimi. The first one is, I don't know what the second is though ???
Will be, wait a pair of sunny days.
Janis
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three muscari in flower at the moment
Muscari macrocarpum two forms
Muscari aucheri
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Fascinating Tony, I love the colours and growth pattern of your Muscari macrocarpum
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Sorry I had put the same picture in twice,I have now changed it
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Sorry I had put the same picture in twice,I have now changed it
Thanks Tony, didn't know if it was me who was "loosing it" or you ;D
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Flowering here today, both of them bought as Muscari muscarimi. The first one is, I don't know what the second is though ???
Will be, wait a pair of sunny days.
Janis
Thanks Janis,
I'll see in couple of days.
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Lovely M.aucheri, Tony.
I think this is a Muscari muscarimi flowering here now. The scent is out of this world compared to the other form I have.
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Is this really a Muscari :o the more I see of these wonderful bulbs the more I want to explore them and this one has a heady sent too :P
Simon you are definitely better of than we are at present - cold, grey and depressing so these little gems you tease with are wonderful, thanks :)
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Lovely M.aucheri, Tony.
I think this is a Muscari muscarimi flowering here now. The scent is out of this world compared to the other form I have.
I believe you when you say the scent is out of this world, but I think this particular form of M. muscarimi is also out of this world... BEAUTIFUL!
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wow! i already like the usual muscari, but in that perversity that always draws me to the atypical colours in a genus, i really love the macrocarpum and muscarimi!
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three muscari in flower at the moment
Muscari macrocarpum two forms
Muscari aucheri
Tony,
wonderful pictures of Muscari.
What size is the M. aucheri? Looks larger, what I have under these name. My M. aucheri from seeds are only 4-5 cm high.
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Uli the aucheri are between 8 and 12 cms high. It is one I find very difficult to keep going and is very attractive to slugs.
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A couple from me;
M. macrocarpum "Golden Fragrance". Does anyone know anything about this? Is it just a selected clone the Dutch micropropagated?
The other one is "just" M. macrocarpum flowering for the first time this year.
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As far as I know, Mark, 'Golden Fragrance' is a selection, as you suspected.
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I think it will be some time before my M. macrocarpum "Golden Fragrance" comes into flower but it's great to see yours Mark.
The first of my Muscari latifolium are just beginning to show and I love the way they emerge surrounded by a hood of leaves.
The next one, planted some time ago, looks lovely skirting the pine but I have no idea which one it is ::)
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Robin, your M.latifolium really does look like it is hiding from inclement weather. ;)
Here are two more Muscari muscarimi flowering through a native Moehringia under a Quince bush in the garden, and a Bellevalia I have been growing as B.hackelii.
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I'm very much enjoying the pictures of the M. muscarimi. Actually all the pics are terrific, it's not a genus I thought much about in the past.
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I think it will be some time before my M. macrocarpum "Golden Fragrance" comes into flower but it's great to see yours Mark.
The first of my Muscari latifolium are just beginning to show and I love the way they emerge surrounded by a hood of leaves.
The next one, planted some time ago, looks lovely skirting the pine but I have no idea which one it is ::)
Looks as azureum
Janis
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I'm very much enjoying the pictures of the M. muscarimi. Actually all the pics are terrific, it's not a genus I thought much about in the past.
My thoughts exactly!!
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Looks as azureum
Janis
Thanks for the ID Janis, it is a wonderful blue and looks as if it is spreading around the pine :)
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Flowering here today in New jersey 12 miles as the crow flies from Mid-town Manhattan.
Arnold
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Muscari anatolicum this season is one of the earliest.
This sp. (LST) was collected very high in mountains (NE Turkey, mid-June, at snow line, over vil. Altiparmak, alt. at least 2500m), most likely new species. Collected by Arnis Seisums and Gerben Tjerdsmaa who both walked up with tent whilst I and Henrik stood in village drinking ice-cold beer (we had only one tent with us) with little botanizing near crazy river and so steep slopes that it was almost impossible to walk up by other road as small pass from village.
Another are from my Iran collection (WHIR) - still without name. Not so easy to identify Muscari.
Janis
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Muscari in Latvian are named as "pearl hyacinths". Not finding topic "Hyacinths" I decided to use Muscari topic to show few hyacinths.
Both I met at first in Turkmenistan (in Soviet time), but 2 years ago - again in Iran.
The first is Hyacinthus transcaspicus (narrow leaves) from Turkmenistan. Iranioan plants still not bloom.
the next H. litwinowii - the blue one comes from Turkmenistan side of Kopet-Dag ridge, whitish from opposite side - Iranian slopes.
I almost lost my Turkmen stocks from bacterial rot when tried to multiply them by bulb cutting, but alive seedlings, starting to bloom now.
Janis
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Interesting Hyacinths Janis - do they smell like the cultivated ones?
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Interesting Hyacinths Janis - do they smell like the cultivated ones?
Yes, aromat is quite strong.
Janis
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Interesting Hyacinthus, Janis. Bulgarian uses a Turkish word for true Hyacinths and Muscari muscarimi is the Paradise Hyacinth.
Two more Bellevalia I am growing here- the first I have as Bellevalia kurdestanica and the second as B.species RRW9501.
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Two more Bellevalia I am growing here- the first I have as Bellevalia kurdestanica and the second as B.species RRW9501.
Those look very attractive, Simon. Do they set seed? ;D
cheers
fermi
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Ooooo I do like your Bellevalia Simon, such unusual colouring and the shape of each floweret (is that what you call it?) is very pretty :)
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Two Bellevalia in flower here, the first is B. forniculata from Pilous and the other is pycnantha grown from Archibald seed. The latter is such a tiny thing with the smallest of flowers, but the color is amazing.
Aaron
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Fermi, some of them set seed some years- though never as many as B.romana does :-\
Thanks, Robin.
Are they both young bulbs, Aaron? If so you should get more flowers as the bulbs get bigger.
Flowering here now- a second bulb of Bellevalia mauretanica from Mike Salmon seed. To me the overall colour seems the same, but the anthers are paler.
Also another recovery- a second bulb of Muscari auchadra in a different part of the xeric garden.
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Simon,
Yes they are young. The B. forniculata flowered last year, but this is the inaugural year for this clone B. pycnantha. I love the B. mauretanica.
Cannot wait to see my M. auchadra flower next year.
Aaron
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We have had a few cold mornings over the last few days- just enough to fetch out some of the colour on Muscari species nova 'Early Rose-Beauty'
aslo flowerin Muscari species nova 'Sky Blue'
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Also another recovery- a second bulb of Muscari auchadra in a different part of the xeric garden.
Simon
You have a beautiful collection of Bellevalia.!!!
Regarding Muscari auchadra, last year i have seen this name for the first time and didn't find any information about it.
Since i knew it is grown also at Wisley Garden i have asked Paul Cumbleton if they hold any information regarding this species.
Paul answered that infact there wasn't and asked Brian Mathew for details.
After an investigation made by B.M. he came up with the following information:
''It was collected in Greece by Arne Strid under the number 26295, so i contacted him and he too knows nothing of this name. However, he collected it at a place called Achladea. So it looks as if 'auchadra' was just a mistake for Achladea.
The plant hasn't a cultivar name at present as far as i know, but M. commutatum white form would suffice for the moment.''
So that seems to solve the mystery.
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Aaron, your photo of B. forniculata is most revealing it terms of scale, the whole inflorescence from top to bottom is shorter than one's fingernail :o Cute little blue guys.
Simon, you are causing insatiable plant lust with those photos of white/pink/sky blue Muscari! I want them all, including M. commutatum 'Achladea Memory' ;D Good bit of detective work Oron 8)
I do have a Muscari in bloom now, for which I lost the label. Is this M. latifolium?
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Mark,
I would say yes, this is M. latifolium. What me disturbed is the large flower stalk. My M. latifolium are only 10-15 cm high.
Hope someone of the Muscariophil-Experts can help ;D
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Nice photos from erverybody.
Mark, I agree with Uli, likely M. latifolium.
M. latifolium...picture from last year for comparison.
here some from my garden
M. 'Dark Eyes'...is this armeniacum or aucheri ? or any cross? who knows?
M. neglectum...dark blue with redish stem, smaller leaves - my favourite for naturalizing.
M. botryoides...lovely too. Nowadays rarely seen in gardens, replaced by M. armeniacum
M. armeniacum... a weed but nice when in flower
M. aucheri 'Mount Hood'... still bud stage but white tip already visible - an eye catcher in the raised bed.
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Mark, I agree with Uli, likely M. latifolium.
M. latifolium...picture from last year for comparison.
Thanks Armin and Uli for the confirmation. Close-up photos can play tricks with scale, my M. latifolium is indeed only 10-15 cm tall, being overtaken by Allium saxatile with leaves that grow 30 cm tall.
Armin, all those Muscari are very nice... there is something about "grape hyacinths" that I really like. Do you get down on your belly to sniff at the flowers?
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On the protected sunny south side of my house, I grow M. 'Valerie Finnis' and M. macrocarpum 'Yellow Fragrance'. The problem I have with these Muscari is their foliage tries to be everygreen throughout the winter, which looks tatty with lots of brown leaf tips by spring, moreso on macrocarpum. The plants still grow well enough and flower, I just don't know how to deal that growth pattern, to avoid scrappy looking plants in spring.
Lots of seedlings started showing up... all turned out to be from Valerie Finnis, although there is a small range of variability of blue color. I wonder if Valerie and macrocarpum can hybridize?
Behind the muscari are self-sown seedlings of rather special forms of Allium cernuum, which I must move to avoid swamping the crocus and muscari planted there.
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Muscari latifolium is interesting to watch in all its stages as it grows from the hooded image, posted earlier (111), to statuesque today in the morning sun against a rock :)
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Also another recovery- a second bulb of Muscari auchadra in a different part of the xeric garden.
Simon
You have a beautiful collection of Bellevalia.!!!
Regarding Muscari auchadra, last year i have seen this name for the first time and didn't find any information about it.
Since i knew it is grown also at Wisley Garden i have asked Paul Cumbleton if they hold any information regarding this species.
Paul answered that infact there wasn't and asked Brian Mathew for details.
After an investigation made by B.M. he came up with the following information:
''It was collected in Greece by Arne Strid under the number 26295, so i contacted him and he too knows nothing of this name. However, he collected it at a place called Achladea. So it looks as if 'auchadra' was just a mistake for Achladea.
The plant hasn't a cultivar name at present as far as i know, but M. commutatum white form would suffice for the moment.''
So that seems to solve the mystery.
Oron, thanks for research on "M. auchadra". I was looking for its name last spring when it bloomed with me for the first time. Now will change label.
Janis
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Nice photos from erverybody.
Mark, I agree with Uli, likely M. latifolium.
M. latifolium...picture from last year for comparison.
here some from my garden
M. 'Dark Eyes'...is this armeniacum or aucheri ? or any cross? who knows?
M. neglectum...dark blue with redish stem, smaller leaves - my favourite for naturalizing.
M. botryoides...lovely too. Nowadays rarely seen in gardens, replaced by M. armeniacum
M. armeniacum... a weed but nice when in flower
M. aucheri 'Mount Hood'... still bud stage but white tip already visible - an eye catcher in the raised bed.
Armin, 'Dark Eyes' is from the same Muscari species nova family as SKY BLUE, WHITE-ROSE BEAUTY, EARLY ROSE.
Janis
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here is a Muscari from my garden .....I dont remeber from where this plants came and also not the name ...
Could this be Muscari muscarimii ?
Thank you for confirmation
Hans 8)
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here is a Muscari from my garden .....I dont remeber from where this plants came and also not the name ...
Could this be Muscari muscarimii ?
Thank you for confirmation
Hans 8)
Hans
Looks like M. muscarimi as grown here from JJA seed.
johnw
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here is a Muscari from my garden .....I dont remeber from where this plants came and also not the name ...
Could this be Muscari muscarimii ?
Thank you for confirmation
Hans 8)
Yes, without any doubt.
Janis
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On the protected sunny south side of my house, I grow M. 'Valerie Finnis' and M. macrocarpum 'Yellow Fragrance'. The problem I have with these Muscari is their foliage tries to be everygreen throughout the winter, which looks tatty with lots of brown leaf tips by spring, moreso on macrocarpum. The plants still grow well enough and flower, I just don't know how to deal that growth pattern, to avoid scrappy looking plants in spring.
Mark,
in order to avoid early growth of leaves is to dig out the muscari bulbs after going dormant and store them dry until replanting in late autumn, like all professional growers do. Muscari genetically do not have a mechanism who control leaves growths. The growths of leaves (& roots) is activated as soon there is enough moist available.
Our summers are usual too wet...
Do you get down on your belly to sniff at the flowers?
Mark, I've not tried it that way ;) ;D But I like to take photos from the perspective of a small animal.
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M. 'Dark Eyes'...is this armeniacum or aucheri ? or any cross? who knows?
Armin, 'Dark Eyes' is from the same Muscari species nova family as SKY BLUE, WHITE-ROSE BEAUTY, EARLY ROSE.
Janis
Janis,
thank you for your reply. I've searched the web and found more about Muscari Dark Eyes & Sky Blue on the web pages of Martin Philippo http://home.tiscali.nl/hennessy/firstpage.htm (http://home.tiscali.nl/hennessy/firstpage.htm).
"'Dark Eyes': A Muscari, reported as selected from wild material originally collected near Nalchik, Kabardino-Balkaria, N Caucasus in 1969. Probably a hybrid between M. neglectum x M. pallens."
"'Sky Blue': like 'Dark Eyes' and 'White Beauty' reported as being selected from wild material originally collected near Nalchik, Kabardino-Balkaria, N Caucasus in 1969. Probably a hybrid between M. neglectum x M. pallens."
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M. 'Dark Eyes'...is this armeniacum or aucheri ? or any cross? who knows?
Armin, 'Dark Eyes' is from the same Muscari species nova family as SKY BLUE, WHITE-ROSE BEAUTY, EARLY ROSE.
Janis
Janis,
thank you for your reply. I've searched the web and found more about Muscari Dark Eyes & Sky Blue on the web pages of Martin Philippo http://home.tiscali.nl/hennessy/firstpage.htm (http://home.tiscali.nl/hennessy/firstpage.htm).
"'Dark Eyes': A Muscari, reported as selected from wild material originally collected near Nalchik, Kabardino-Balkaria, N Caucasus in 1969. Probably a hybrid between M. neglectum x M. pallens."
"'Sky Blue': like 'Dark Eyes' and 'White Beauty' reported as being selected from wild material originally collected near Nalchik, Kabardino-Balkaria, N Caucasus in 1969. Probably a hybrid between M. neglectum x M. pallens."
This is copied from my catalogue some years ago. Now I shortened the text.
Janis
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Thank you John + Janis for the confirmation of my Muscari :D
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Two Bellevalias - B. rixii, very local plant from E Turkey and unidentified sp. from Syria.
Janis
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Muscari macrocarpum
Arnold
New Jersey
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This is copied from my catalogue some years ago. Now I shortened the text.
Janis
Janis,
I was not aware all such beautiful muscari findings and cv. names are your original.
Never stop learning! ;D
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The best Muscari by my opinion is M. adilii, but another, still without name isn't less beautiful.
Janis
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i think i am liking every plant in this thread! but the bellevalias shown by simon and janis have some really beautiful subtle colours! any ideas on general hardiness of these? (for comparison, common scillas and muscari are hardy here)
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Mark,
in order to avoid early growth of leaves is to dig out the muscari bulbs after going dormant and store them dry until replanting in late autumn, like all professional growers do. Muscari genetically do not have a mechanism who control leaves growths. The growths of leaves (& roots) is activated as soon there is enough moist available.
Our summers are usual too wet...
Do you get down on your belly to sniff at the flowers?
Mark, I've not tried it that way ;) ;D But I like to take photos from the perspective of a small animal.
Thanks for the explanation Armin. In my garden, everything planted must be able to fend for themselves. I try to site properly, amend soil if necessary, but then they're on their own... no coddling, no dig-them-up-then-replant-later (no time for such things), no cloches... either they make it or they don't. The new Muscari foliage eventually overtakes the old persistent winter-green ratty foliage, maybe I just have to live with that if I want to see the flowers on certain species.
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Mark,
I have the same attitude towards gardening. In case of too many long and brown dryed leaves on muscari (i.e. armeniacum) I clip them carefully after frost period to give the clumps a new 'hair style' otherwise they look like 'tattered periwigs'. ;D
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Muscari chalusicum from Iran and
Muscari polyanthum from Turkey (some botanists suppose that it is tha same as armeniacum, but armeniacum has narrower leaves and usually forms leaves in autumn)
Janis
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This extremely strange (note very long "sausage" like fertile flowers) appeared in pot where were planted Allium seedlings. No one similar I have in my collection. Really shocked!
Janis
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This extremely strange (note very long "sausage" like fertile flowers) appeared in pot where were planted Allium seedlings. No one similar I have in my collection. Really shocked!
Janis
Cool! Maybe name it Muscari "Sausage and Onions" ;D I like it.
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That last Muscari is very nice, Janis.
Two which were flowering today:
Bellevalia pycnantha and
Hyacinthoides italica
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Belvallia paradoxa
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This extremely strange (note very long "sausage" like fertile flowers) appeared in pot where were planted Allium seedlings. No one similar I have in my collection. Really shocked!
Janis
Janis,
that is an amazing inflorescence! Could it be a hybrid involving M. muscarimi?
cheers
fermi
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This extremely strange (note very long "sausage" like fertile flowers) appeared in pot where were planted Allium seedlings. No one similar I have in my collection. Really shocked!
Janis
Janis,
that is an amazing inflorescence! Could it be a hybrid involving M. muscarimi?
cheers
fermi
I don't know. I'm afraid that Muscarimias didn't cross with other types of Muscari. May be it is seasonal abnormality. Of course I marked it and will give special attention to this stranger.
Janis
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This extremely strange (note very long "sausage" like fertile flowers) appeared in pot where were planted Allium seedlings. No one similar I have in my collection. Really shocked!
Janis
Janis i'm sure Michael Campbell posted a pic of a very similar looking plant.
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This extremely strange (note very long "sausage" like fertile flowers) appeared in pot where were planted Allium seedlings. No one similar I have in my collection. Really shocked!
Janis
Janis i'm sure Michael Campbell posted a pic of a very similar looking plant.
Can you give more information - when?
Janis
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Janis, it was not the same as the one you posted, here is a copy of it.
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Janis, it was not the same as the one you posted, here is a copy of it.
But it is similar. Any idea what?
Janis
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Don't know Janis, it was grown from AGS star seed collection, Muscari SP.sub genus Botryanthus. That is all the information I have and I know nothing about Muscari. Sorry.
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Don't know Janis, it was grown from AGS star seed collection, Muscari SP.sub genus Botryanthus. That is all the information I have and I know nothing about Muscari. Sorry.
Henrik Zetterlund and Arnis Seisums will visit me next week, may be they will help.
Janis
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Muscari Valerie Finnis is flowering for the first time here although the leaves came up last Autumn. Now they snake around the emerging flower heads like the Gorgon's head tresses.
I wanted to find out more about Valerie Finnis:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1532586/Valerie-Finnis.html
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Muscari Valerie Finnis is flowering for the first time here although the leaves came up last Autumn. Now they snake around the emerging flower heads like the Gorgon's head tresses.
I wanted to find out more about Valerie Finnis:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1532586/Valerie-Finnis.html
great little plant, and very nice article--really paints a picture of a life, another time and place!
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Very nice Valerie Finnis Robin, and such good foliage 8)
Bellevalia forniculata
flowering with me for the first time. Unfortunately I failed to capture its bright blue slightly tinged with green.
Pic 1, JJA pop. no. 0227770 (W of Eleskirt, Agri, Turkey), sown Sept 07.
Pic 2, SRGC seedex, sown Jan 08.
Differences between the two forms are fairly slight.
Bellevalia romana
SRGC seedex, sown Jan 07 & second season flowering
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Thanks Cohan and Ashley, I really like this Muscari too and was interested to read about Valerie Finnis and her involvement in promoting Alpine plants.
Bellevalia forniculata has the appeal of a brighter blue tinged with green and I wonder how this one matures in flower Ashley - congratulations on its first flowering
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I suspect this is about as mature as it gets Robin, before going over.
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Here's Muscari botryoides 'Carneum'.
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Here's Muscari botryoides 'Carnium'.
CARNEUM
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Thanks Janis. I've corrected it. I sometimes have to guess what's written on the label. Revisiting it I suppose it does look more like an 'e' than an 'i'. ;D
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A lovely Muscari Anthony, the pink is so delicate and the stem is a wonderful reddish colour - is that where the 'Carneum' name comes from?
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This group of Muscari is now 3 years old originally found in another part of the garden - I think it's Muscari neglectum?
In CU it's the nearest I have seen to the bloom on the black grapes in the valley here - a real grape hyacinth :D
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Robin,
carnea/carneum means flesh, therefore pink. Not red as in meat. Red is typically designated via sanguinea (blood coloured).
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Thanks for the explanation Jamie - I couldn't find the word in my dictionary so I was curious..
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Muscari Valerie Finnis is flowering for the first time here although the leaves came up last Autumn. Now they snake around the emerging flower heads like the Gorgon's head tresses.
I wanted to find out more about Valerie Finnis:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1532586/Valerie-Finnis.html
Hi Ragged I can tell more about Muscari Valerie Finnis, it was in 1985 when I viseted Wayne Roderick and after making a trip trough the wild we did some gardening in his garden and it then I saw this Muscari for the first tlme.
In the Summer he send me about all the bulbs he had, we grew it on for a couple af year and because Wayne had told me he got it from Valerie Finnis (Lady Scot) who had fond it in Turkey we wrote on the lable Valerie Finnis and when he stay with us in 1990 he saw the lable and told me I should first ask Valerie Finnes if it was allow to us her name and that is what we did and she was very pleased to give her name.
So in 1993 I think it was it was regetrated by the Nomeclature in Holland.
Wim
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Few grape hyacinths:
Muscari macrocarpum LST-390 - one of species with strongest aroma
Muscari "miniarmeniacum" most likely new species, with many threadlike leaves and tiny brightest blue flowerspikes
Muscari polyanthum some botanists regards as synonym of M. armeniacum, but its leaves are wider, they are formed only in spring (in case of armeniacum - in autumn), ecology is different, too.
Muscari turcicum has violet shaded flowers
and at end a pair of yet unidentified species.
Janis
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Muscari "miniarmeniacum" most likely new species, with many threadlike leaves and tiny brightest blue flowerspikes
Such an incredible blue!
Muscari turcicum has violet shaded flowers
Most unusual - is it from Turkey?
Muscari macrocarpum LST-390 - one of species with strongest aroma
There is something fascinating about this one and I wonder what the fragrance is like ::)
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Hi Ragged I can tell more about Muscari Valerie Finnis, it was in 1985 when I viseted Wayne Roderick and after making a trip trough the wild we did some gardening in his garden and it then I saw this Muscari for the first tlme.
In the Summer he send me about all the bulbs he had, we grew it on for a couple af year and because Wayne had told me he got it from Valerie Finnis (Lady Scot) who had fond it in Turkey we wrote on the lable Valerie Finnis and when he stay with us in 1990 he saw the lable and told me I should first ask Valerie Finnes if it was allow to us her name and that is what we did and she was very pleased to give her name.
So in 1993 I think it was it was regetrated by the Nomeclature in Holland.
Wim
Thank you Wim for your real life story of the naming of Muscari 'Valerie Finnis' - I shall love it all the more knowing its history.
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My 'Valerie Finnis' is still in tight bud. Curious about Lady Scot. Different person from Lady Scott (the late Sir Peter Scott's wife, who died in January)?
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My 'Valerie Finnis' is still in tight bud. Curious about Lady Scot. Different person from Lady Scott (the late Sir Peter Scott's wife, who died in January)?
Yes, Anthony, though the Scott is the correct spelling.... Valerie Finnis was the wife of Sir David John Montagu-Douglas-Scott (1887 - 1986)
http://www.finnis-scott-foundation.org.uk/history.html
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Once more Bellevalia sp. collected by Arnis in Syria and
Bellevalia cyanopoda aff.
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My 'Valerie Finnis' is still in tight bud. Curious about Lady Scot. Different person from Lady Scott (the late Sir Peter Scott's wife, who died in January)?
Yes, Anthony, though the Scott is the correct spelling.... Valerie Finnis was the wife of Sir David John Montagu-Douglas-Scott (1887 - 1986)
http://www.finnis-scott-foundation.org.uk/history.html
Maggi, it's amazing how much more interesting a plant becomes when you can put a bit of history behind it. Both Lady Scotts seem to have had their titles shrunk. Sir Peter Scott's wife, Lady (Philippa) Scott was originally Felicity Philippa Talbot-Ponsonby.
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Sir Peter Scott's wife, Lady (Philippa) Scott was originally Felicity Philippa Talbot-Ponsonby.
Mmmmm..... seems that we all have a cross to bear! ;)
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Fount in Corsica
my wife furious
With a rental car after 250 bents on a small road
in between 1000 or 10.000 Allium triquetrum
I stop abrupt the car left from the road
Did you see what I think I saw?? NO what now again
YES YES :) :) :) Muscari comosum White form
It made my day No my holly-day
maybe I call it Muscari comosum White Wave
Roland
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Muscari pallens
Arnold
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maybe I call it Muscari comosum White Wave
So pleased for your wonderful discovery after 250 bends and metres of Allium triquetrum - I like the name too Roland although your wife might have called it a "wave of relief" :D
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Janis, thanks for showing us these lesser-known muscari and bellevalia, as well as for comments on how they are distinct. They're all beautiful. Do you give them all standard growing conditions?
Arnold that's a fine pallens. I like this species very much but find here that it goes over faster than many others.
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Hello Robin
I think at that moment she could kill me ;D ;D
this was the 20th or 30th time I stopped >:( >:(
but afterwards she was happy to (maybe just for the fantastic pizzeria I found) :P :P
Roland
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a late flowering muscari from Crete. There are two bulbs flowering with the second picture showing the spike as it matures and elongates.
Muscari sp.
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Hello all
I wanted to ask how I can notice muscari plant at this time of year.
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Here's the first flowering of a Muscari from one of the seedexes. But I can't find the label! It was supposed to be M. caucasicum ...I think! I'll have to scour the seed list books!
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Any help would be appreciated!
cheers
fermi
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a late flowering muscari from Crete. There are two bulbs flowering with the second picture showing the spike as it matures and elongates.
Muscari sp.
Here's the first flowering of a Muscari from one of the seedexes. But I can't find the label! It was supposed to be M. caucasicum ...I think! I'll have to scour the seed list books!
Any help would be appreciated!
cheers
fermi
Fermi
Your Muscari is M. azureum while Tony's is Muscari weissii.
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Thanks, Oron.
I found the entry in my seed-sowing list - it was supposed to be M. pseudomuscari from NARGS Seedex 2007.
cheers
fermi
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Fermi
M. azureum and M. pseudomuscari are very similar in appearance, and if not enough M. azureum has been called in the past Pseudomuscari azureum.
But, Muscari pseudomuscari has deflected pedicals and flowers giving it more of a bell shaped flowers, having thinner and longer leaves.
And again, some of the Muscari tend to hybridize in cultivation, with some forms that are impossible to tell apart.
Still your plant in my opinion looks more M. azureum rather than M. pseudomuscari...maybe you can take another photo of it when it is fully open?
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Hi Oron,
here are two more views of the Muscari azureum/pseudomuscari!
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This is a pic of a Muscari I've had for many years as Muscari cyanea violacea (or possibly M. violacea cyanea) not sure why it ends in "a" rather than "um" ??? maybe just a "typo"!
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cheers
fermi
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Both of your Muscari are lovely Fermi :)
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Hi Fermi,
Muscari cyano-violaceum is an old synonym for M. armeniacum which is what you have there.
As or the first it does look M. azureum, though not sure if its 'pure', might also be a cultivar.
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Both of your Muscari are lovely Fermi :)
Thanks, Robin.
Hi Fermi,
Muscari cyano-violaceum is an old synonym for M. armeniacum which is what you have there.
Oron,
thanks for clearing that up. I received it more than 20 years ago from a dear friend and it is different to other forms of M. armeniacum which I grow. I'll adjust the labels!
As for the M. azureum - it is luxuriating in a dry spot in the rock garden, so it's time I move the others under that name into the open as well.
cheers
fermi
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Beautiful muscari Fermi. It's great to see how compact and 'in character' you grow Mediterranean species in the open garden.
A flurry of recent papers describe new Turkish muscari species but unfortunately I don't have full-text access. Does anyone have a key to the genus that isn't several decades old? Even one decade out of date would be welcome ;D
Edit: Ah, here's something in this paper about M. vuralii (http://websitem.gazi.edu.tr/mvural/DosyaIndir?DosyaNo=3b62dc71a5e5aa92daa83facf273e750).
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I thought the muscari season was over but discovered a pot of seedlings about to flower:
Muscari caucasicum from AGS 2007 Seedex
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cheers
fermi
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First Bellevalia to bloom here is B. desertorum,
These photos were taken yesterday in the Judea Desert.
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How delicate and totally lovely to see your photos, Oron, of B.desertorum and to imagine them in the Judea Desert far from the cold winter days in the UK.
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First Bellevalia to bloom here is B. desertorum,
These photos were taken yesterday in the Judea Desert.
Here too much snow, so have time to look in other topics. Bellevalia desertorum is very nice! Thanks, Oron, for showing it. Afraid - would be too difficult here.
Janis
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Hyacinthella heldreichii from Janis has started to bloom in a pot :)
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Walking around my garden today I can believe that Oron's Bellevalia desertorum would do well. I must keep an eye out for it on seed lists.
It is dry and so hot at present. 40C+ due tomorrow.
Plus quite a few locust hoppers went hopping in the front garden today when I disturbed them. We have not seen locusts for the last few weeks - now I know why - they were developing a whole new generation. Thank goodness most of the iris and bulbs are sleeping now.
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Hello
Muscari is very special to me, it is the first bulbous plant I found in wild. And I'm hoping to hunt some bulbous plants this spring.( muscari sivrihisardaghlariensis etc.)
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Arda do you know what or who Muscari sivrihisardaghlariensis is named after? Must be one of the longest species names.
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Yes I do Pat,
"Sivrihisar" is the name of a district of the city I'm living in (which is Eskişehir)
and "dağlar" means mountains so this plant is named after the place where it is found=Sivrihisar Dağları
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M. sivrihisardaglarensis , from Jānis, started flowering about a month ago but may be later once it settles down.
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I thought M. sivrihisardaghleriensis had blue flower buds in stead of green ones. But of course, I am not an expert
2nd photo is from Janis -2009 Muscari thread
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Nor am I Arda, never having seen this species before. Maybe the pale blue sterile flowers will develop later :-\
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We collected M. sivrihisardaglarensis at its locus clasicus on Sivrihisardag mountains, but now I'm slightly doubtful about this species, although I'm still offering it. I'm afraid that features used for its separating is too variable... At least I'm certain that plants offered by me must be identical with those used for description of species.
Janis
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Seems to be a distinctive Muscari - I do like the contrast. Thanks for the explanations.
It would be a name that I would have to have in front of me to write it again says she who comes from a country that has towns called
Gol Gol, Jil Jil, Walla Walla, Ten Mile Hollow to name a few.
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We collected M. sivrihisardaglarensis at its locus clasicus on Sivrihisardag mountains, but now I'm slightly doubtful about this species, although I'm still offering it. I'm afraid that features used for its separating is too variable... At least I'm certain that plants offered by me must be identical with those used for description of species.
Janis
Janis if you can tell me the exact location I can go and check in spring and add photos of the muscaris in that location.
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We collected M. sivrihisardaglarensis at its locus clasicus on Sivrihisardag mountains, but now I'm slightly doubtful about this species, although I'm still offering it. I'm afraid that features used for its separating is too variable... At least I'm certain that plants offered by me must be identical with those used for description of species.
Janis
Janis if you can tell me the exact location I can go and check in spring and add photos of the muscaris in that location.
The location has been sent to Arda in a pm.
Good luck!
Janis
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Thank you Janis!
Hopefully I will find them
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The location has been sent to Arda in a pm.
Interesting. I hope you can post some photographs in due course Arda, perhaps showing the range of variation within the population.
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Arda and all,
The M. sivrihisardaghleriensis is a beauty. That first pic you posted Arda is wonderful. I'd grow it just for the name though, I must admit, even if I didn't actually like the flower (which I very much do).
Marcus in Tasmania.... have you imported this one from Janis yet? If you have, please keep me in mind when you have enough to sell. ;D