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Title: Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´
Post by: Martijn on January 07, 2010, 09:54:53 AM
Dear friends,

Working on descriptions in my new catalogue, I arrived at Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´.
I know that it is a strain from Czech Republic, but that is all....

Who raised this beautiful strain? Does anybody know?

Ragrds, Martijn
Title: Re: Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´
Post by: Olga Bondareva on January 07, 2010, 12:26:51 PM
Martijn
Here are some picts. I grew Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´ from Czech (the dark one) and Jelitto seeds. Easy vogorous plants with big nodding flowers and dissected  petals.

(http://cs4289.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/92164489/x_e3a37c5e.jpg)  (http://cs4289.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/92164489/x_ff8e3259.jpg)  (http://cs4289.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/92164489/x_7354aafc.jpg)
Title: Re: Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´
Post by: Martijn on January 07, 2010, 05:22:02 PM
hi Olga,

Very nice pictures! The dark one is wonderful! Perfect plants for the garden!

Martijn
Title: Re: Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´
Post by: Maggi Young on January 07, 2010, 05:32:57 PM
Martiijn,
 Jelitto list the plant as having been introduced by them in 1993   :-\..... I can't find any reference in SRGC or AGS journals to help.
Title: Re: Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´
Post by: akoen on January 07, 2010, 06:18:08 PM
Mine is more pastel-colored
Title: Re: Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´
Post by: PDJ on January 07, 2010, 06:43:42 PM
I don't know who raised the plant but the RHS list it as Pulsatilla vulgaris subsp. grandis 'Papageno' rather than plain vulgaris 'Papageno'.  Might help in tracking the breeder down.
Title: Re: Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 07, 2010, 08:12:19 PM

Who raised this beautiful strain? Does anybody know?

The Germans certainly. Probably Mozart.
Title: Re: Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´
Post by: Maggi Young on January 07, 2010, 08:22:49 PM

Who raised this beautiful strain? Does anybody know?

The Germans certainly. Probably Mozart.
Well, yes, a flautist of some renown and popularity! :D
Title: Re: Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´
Post by: johnw on January 07, 2010, 08:50:56 PM
The Germans certainly. Probably Mozart.

That should certainly spark an Austrian sforzando, or even a precipitato!

johnw
Title: Re: Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´
Post by: Maggi Young on January 07, 2010, 08:55:21 PM
Ooops! Yes, Lesley and I missed that one! :-[



 Still, I suppose at the time the babe was neither Austrian nor German, but a subject of the Holy Roman Empire?
 ::)
Title: Re: Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 07, 2010, 09:25:39 PM
The Germans certainly. Probably Mozart.

That should certainly spark an Austrian sforzando, or even a precipitato!

johnw

Sorry, Mozart!
Title: Re: Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´
Post by: ruweiss on January 09, 2010, 09:02:35 PM
I just hear and see Papageno singing in TV, there is a contest of the 10 most favourite operas.
But let us now talk about plants. Today I phoned with Olga Duchacova from Czech Republic and
the Bavarian nurseryman Eugen Schleipfer to tell you the true story. About 30 years ago, these beauties
were raised by Czech plantsmen and 5 years later Olga bought many of them and presented them to
her numerous friends which visited her in her splendid garden. It was not such an easy travelling in the times of
the Iron Curtain, but I have so many good memories of Olga and Ruda and their generousity. It is such a pity,
that their bad health situation doesn't allow them anymore to cultivate their garden by the house and they are
so sad about this fact.
Eugen Schleipfer was also lucky enough to get these fine plants from her and started propagating and breeding,
which he does still now with big succes.He also offered seeds to the Jelitto Seed Company who propagates and
offers them as Papageno strain.
Title: Re: Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´
Post by: Maggi Young on January 09, 2010, 09:26:11 PM
Rudi, thank you very much for this clarification.

Tell me, is Eugen Schleiper the man for whom the Gentiana 'Eugen's Allerbester' is named?
Title: Re: Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´
Post by: ruweiss on January 09, 2010, 10:01:37 PM
Maggi, you are right, it is the same person. An outstanding nurseryman, unconventional,disliking emails and internet
but an enormous knowledge of all aspects of gardening.He keeps and propagates for example a collection of 120
different Citrus plants beside his breeding work to improve various perennials. When I phoned with him this afternoon
about Papageno I was glad to have a telephone flatrate, the call lasted almost 2 hours, and beside discussing
botanical things we spoke about politics and many other things.
Title: Re: Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´
Post by: Maggi Young on January 09, 2010, 10:14:48 PM
My goodness: 120 citrus types, that is amazing. 8)
Title: Re: Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 09, 2010, 10:29:11 PM
Those are the best kinds of friends. You can talk with them about anything at all. Surprising to some, life contains other things than plants. Chocolate for instance. ;D
Title: Re: Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´
Post by: Lvandelft on January 09, 2010, 11:28:51 PM
Maggi, you are right, it is the same person. An outstanding nurseryman, unconventional,disliking emails and internet
but an enormous knowledge of all aspects of gardening.
You may say so, he once killed more than 10.000 Daphne cneorum with his rather "unconventional" methods.
I visited him many times when I was still in trade, however he always was complaining about the Dutch.
Luckily I could talk in Austrian dialect to him, so he forgot I was Dutch.... ;D ;D ;D


By the way, just found this thread so could not react before.
Eugen told me about 25 years ago that Papageno were his findings. Glad  to know now, how it really is!  :)
Title: Re: Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´
Post by: Gerdk on January 10, 2010, 11:41:25 AM
I visited him many times when I was still in trade, however he always was complaining about the Dutch.
Luckily I could talk in Austrian dialect to him, so he forgot I was Dutch.... ;D ;D ;D

I met him too twice. Unfortunately I was not able to change my Rhenish accent -
so I noticed the Dutch were in good company with the ' Preussen ' (Prussians).  ;)

Gerd
Title: Re: Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´
Post by: Martijn on January 10, 2010, 05:03:30 PM
Rudi,

Thank you very much! This is why I like the history of plantsnames! I looked in many books, but couldn´t find anything!

Best wishes!

Martijn
Title: Re: Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´
Post by: ruweiss on January 10, 2010, 09:17:39 PM
Martijn,

Glad, that I could help you

Rudi
Title: Re: Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´
Post by: Olga Bondareva on January 11, 2010, 02:42:14 PM
Rudi
Thank you very much again! Real story is much better then books!
Title: Re: Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´
Post by: Stone Rider on January 11, 2010, 10:19:24 PM
Of course, I have different story about Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´:

Josef Holzbecher  (at present  famous  Moravian  nurseryman)  got  the
first hybrides  into  Arboretum of Brno University (when he worked
there) and improoved it into strain with quite similar qualities. His
Austrian partner nurseryman suggested to sell them under name of the
Strain ´Papageno´.  My personal opinion is that the dear Papagenos look
strange in a natural rock garden. I have only a few and do not plan to
plant more. We have better Pulsatillas for planting. See one picture
from my stable.  With  permanent pleasure ZZ
Title: Re: Pulsatilla vulgaris ´Papageno´
Post by: Stone Rider on January 13, 2010, 12:33:02 AM
Here is 'Papageno'  in the garden
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