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Title: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Melvyn Jope on January 01, 2010, 12:05:38 PM
Happy New Year to all Cyclamen enthusiasts!

A cold but bright morning here in South East England with the following Cyclamen in flower, also a few remaining C. hederifolium are still producing one or two flowers.
C. colchicum
C.purpurascens album
C.elegans
C.persicum var autumnale
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gerdk on January 01, 2010, 12:44:21 PM
Excellent start with a fine selection!
Thank you, Melvyn!

Gerd
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Paul T on January 01, 2010, 01:01:18 PM
Melvyn,

Excellent pics.  The white purpurascens is to die for!!

Here, I have a couple of purpurascens just starting to flower (only pinks here though, and only a couple have flowers as yet..... I have a couple of different shades in my collection), and the first hederifolium flower opened a few days ago, with a few buds starting to show here and there on other plants.  Yours are finishing, mine are just starting.  8)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: cohan on January 02, 2010, 01:25:22 AM
wonderful flowers for midwinter!
i agree with paul about the purpurascens album, also really like the persicum autumnale-very natural looking..
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: annew on January 02, 2010, 12:04:46 PM
Beautiful, Melvin, but isn't it a strange time of year for the C purpurascens to be in flower?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Melvyn Jope on January 02, 2010, 12:37:45 PM
Yes I agree Anne, most of my Cyclamen purpurascens and C. colchicum finished weeks ago which makes these even more pleasurable, the chance of pollination is slim so it is good that there was a good seed set from earlier flowers.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 02, 2010, 01:10:12 PM
Indeed a fine selection Melvyn . C. elegans is maybe  also a underrated but fine plant. I like it more then coum but here it is not so easy ...I never tried in the garden and keep it in pots.But now I build up a stock from seedlings and in coming years trie to find a spot in the garden or rockgarden.
In our collection we have also persicum in flower and pseudoibericum as well. Cyprium is still flowering and outside off course coum but they were frozen this morning...
Yes a happy new year to all Kyklamos-friends     
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 03, 2010, 09:04:31 PM
Lovely pictures indeed, for a northern mid winter. and yes, especially the beautiful white purpurascens. Any white I've had as seed, has eventually flowered as pink. :'(
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Hans A. on January 03, 2010, 09:34:33 PM
Melvyn thanks for showing this wonderful selection - especially the white C. purpurascens is spectacular!

Here the first Cyclamen trochopteranthum flowers appear.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Joakim B on January 04, 2010, 09:35:01 PM
Lovely pictures
Now after Christmas I have access to a lot of pine needles ::)
Is this something to use to cover adult cyclamen with or to have on top of newly sawn seeds.
Is it a good thing to use as part of the planting medium.

I ask since I have not read about it being used but that seen articles that in the wild some have a lot of this on top of the plants.
So I am interested if anyone used needles regading cyclamen.
Yes I know the acid loving plants would love it as well but they get more of tough love treatment ::). And do quite well with it.

All the best
Joakim
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Ragged Robin on January 09, 2010, 10:20:22 PM
Joakim I have planted adult cyclamen as an experiment under a pine tree here n the Swiss Alps and covered them with lots of the needles as I too have seen this in the wild - I'll let you know the result when they hopefully perform next year when they emerge from the snow!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Oron Peri on January 10, 2010, 10:51:56 AM
C. persicum forma albidum in flower today.
This is the only strong plant I have from this form, usually they don't live long, but this plant has allready 9 years.
The stalk are long up to 40 cm.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Hristo on January 10, 2010, 02:12:46 PM
RR. I doubt that you will have any problems with your experiment, sounds like an ideal spot for them to grow and spread by seed, look for the ants!
Oron, only have 2 year old C.persicum from seed here so will be interesting to see if they make it to 9 years old, or is this only a feature of forma albidum?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on January 10, 2010, 09:21:11 PM
RR. I doubt that you will have any problems with your experiment, sounds like an ideal spot for them to grow and spread by seed, look for the ants!
Oron, only have 2 year old C.persicum from seed here so will be interesting to see if they make it to 9 years old, or is this only a feature of forma albidum?

My persicum were collected in Cyprus in 1996 and are still going strong.
They flower well every year and in truth have not been repotted for ten years.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Hristo on January 10, 2010, 09:42:16 PM
I wonder if the early deaths are down to genetic or environmental factors..........
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Paul T on January 11, 2010, 01:05:35 AM
40cm!!  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Oron Peri on January 11, 2010, 06:10:09 PM
I wonder if the early deaths are down to genetic or environmental factors..........

Chris

I think it is genetic, C. persicum can live easily to 20-30 years and more, I have seen tubers in the size of a big plate.
Probably the albidum form are genetically short lived.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tomas on January 11, 2010, 06:24:04 PM
C. persicum, ordinary "garden centre".
T.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Hristo on January 12, 2010, 09:22:27 AM
Sounds like it's genetic then, I wonder if other albidum cultivars are short lived, maybe a feature of the albinism, or if it's just a 'random' feature!?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Rodger Whitlock on January 12, 2010, 04:37:23 PM
Sounds like it's genetic then, I wonder if other albidum cultivars are short lived, maybe a feature of the albinism, or if it's just a 'random' feature!?

Albinos of almost everything have a reputation for being weaker than non-albinos.

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Miriam on January 12, 2010, 05:09:28 PM
Cyclamen persicum blooming today in my garden:
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Sinchets on January 16, 2010, 06:09:41 PM
The Cyclamen coum here have been trying to flower the last month, but are being interupted by our current cycle of snow and thaw. They seem to be coping well with the temperature range of minus15C to plus20C.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 17, 2010, 11:02:32 AM
At least the snow is gone now .
And the coums are back in full force here to Simon...
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Sinchets on January 17, 2010, 12:23:37 PM
Hi Kris, amazing how quickly they bounce back into life. Ours are frozen to the ground again today with -4C  ::)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 18, 2010, 05:01:03 PM
Hi Kris, amazing how quickly they bounce back into life. Ours are frozen to the ground again today with -4C  ::)

I agree Simon ,but I  see  that the ones from  the sunny rockgarden (between rocks) better recover then the ones  from the flatground in a richer and shadier border...
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Sinchets on January 18, 2010, 05:07:17 PM
Could that be due to a difference in growth form, Kris? The ones we have in sunny, or rocky, areas in the garden produce leaves with shorter stalks than those in the woodland. So they do not seem to be pushed down onto the soil as much. How do yours compare?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 18, 2010, 05:47:10 PM
Could that be due to a difference in growth form, Kris? The ones we have in sunny, or rocky, areas in the garden produce leaves with shorter stalks than those in the woodland. So they do not seem to be pushed down onto the soil as much. How do yours compare?

Yes Simon, I had  not immediately an  explanation for this observation but when I start to analyse your quote I find the same circumstances in my garden.So you must be definitively right .... :)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Sinchets on January 18, 2010, 06:22:15 PM
 ;) Both growth forms have their merits- but I do prefer C.coum in rock work in the garden- though it is more normal here to see them wild in the woods.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Rodger Whitlock on January 19, 2010, 06:27:55 AM
In the October 1974 issue of the American Rock Garden Society Bulletin, Vladimir Vasak of Prague published a short paper "Cyclamen in Colchida". In this paper he mentions the follow taxa in Cyclamen


In the last 35+ years, Cyclamen taxonomy and nomenclature has undergone considerable changes, and of these taxa, only Cyclamen coum is recognized. (Astute cyclamen lovers will note the absence of Cyclamen colchicum from this list, but it's merely shy, hiding under the name C. ponticum.)

Vasak gives locations for these taxa, but locating them on the map isn't easy. After some fairly serious digging around online, I've pinpointed most of these locales and present them here for anyone wishing to look into these matters.

Nameaccepted spellingLat N & Long E
Abkhasia
Abkhazia
43,41.5
Ackhu (river)
Ahtsu
43.651525,40.150459
Adzharia
Ajaria
41.666667,42
Besleti (river)43.046389,41.076389
Besleti (settlement)43.0127778, 41.0511111
Bzyb (river)
43.185833,40.29
Chkenis-Ckali (river)
? 42.815048,42.817841
Colchida
Google Map
 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&sll=42.261049,42.698364&sspn=1.805037,3.526611&ie=UTF8&ll=42.609706,39.902344&spn=3.58998,7.053223&t=h&z=7)
Cutaisi
Kutaisi
42.262222,42.716389
East Pontus Mtns
40.5,40.5
Gagra (city)
43.302897,40.253545
Galisga (river)
Galidzga
42.698611,41.47
Gumista (river)
43.008333,40.938333
Kaldakhvary
not located
Lechkum Range
42.733333,43.1
Mokva (river)
42.750556,41.414167
Sukhumi
43.003333,41.015278
Svanetia
43,42.75
Svanets Range
42.9,42.716667
Trapezund
Trabzon
41.05,39.72694
Tuapse
44.1125,39.074167

You can enter the latitude,longitude pairs as shown here in the Google Maps search.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Regelian on January 19, 2010, 06:38:16 AM
Roger,

more info than I need at the moemnt, but I'm really happy you researched this.  Thanks ever so much!  Cyclamen are going to play an important role in my new rockery and understanding where some of these variants grow, well, it just helps a great deal, doesn't it!

Do you know if the Czech article is available on-line somehwere?  I would love to read it.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Rogan on January 19, 2010, 09:43:38 AM
Beautiful little critters aren't they? I'm not a great, nor a very successful grower of Cyclamen, but I keep on trying. This is perhaps more a reflection of my difficult growing conditions (warm & humid) rather than my lack of enthusiasm! C. coum is quite tough here and so is C. pupurascens - C. hederifolium just fades away in short order... It will be interesting to see if my C. mirabile, C. alpinum and C. persicum seedlings make it through the summer - I don't grow them under any cover, so they have to face up to the full might of our (supposedly) heavy summer rainfall.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Sinchets on January 19, 2010, 09:46:05 AM
I also found this interesting information, Rodger. It shows clearly how difficult it is to transliterate from one alphabet to another, where the same letters may have different sounds. We now have bilingual roadsides here. The common practise is to convert the bulgarian alphabet letter sounds into the equivalent in the english alphabet. Often this doesn't make the town/village name immediately obvious as some of the letter combinations, especially vowels, have different sounds in english. Some older signs are transliterated in croatian alphabet, which again is fine if you understand how some of the letters are digraphs with different sounds.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 19, 2010, 06:22:52 PM
;) Both growth forms have their merits- but I do prefer C.coum in rock work in the garden- though it is more normal here to see them wild in the woods.

It looks I have a companion at least  :)
In my opinion more Cyclamen has to planted out in our rockgarden. I saw many Greek species growing very often between and in rocks in their natural habitat. Even in the woods there are stones and rocks in the soil .
My Cyclamen hederifolium ,purperascens,alpinum ,coum ,cilicium does grow nice and compact in the rockgarden and for me looks better then in the borders.So I want to try more species in the future.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on January 19, 2010, 07:53:03 PM
We do have some cyclamen in pots... mostly to admire at close quarters and give a little protection to some.... and troughs.... but we find they do best in the gravel paths and near the rocks at the edges of beds....they really seem to feel most  at home there...even in Aberdeen!  8)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 19, 2010, 10:09:05 PM
but we find they do best in the gravel paths and near the rocks at the edges of beds....they really seem to feel most  at home there...even in Aberdeen!  8)

Ok Maggi , welcome in the club..At least we have three members .
Do you know a name for our new society???
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Sinchets on January 19, 2010, 10:15:19 PM
Kris, the two Cyclamen species we have here in Bulgaria- C.hederifolium and C.coum are both generally associated with rockwork in open woods. One of the C.hederifolium populations we know, grows in what would  almost be described as xeric conditions in shallow pockets of soil in eroded limestone rock work under dwarfed lilac bushes. The whole area seems lifeless in summer, yet in late September the Cyclamen spring back into life. This is why I am surprised by Rogan's comment about them not doing well with him. The C.coum we have seen have been in more humic soil, but again associated with limestone.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on January 19, 2010, 10:16:08 PM
Yes, but it will be expensive to put the whole name  on a badge.....

Happy Intelligent Plant Persons Internet Experience Society.... the acronym will be cheaper to add..... HIPPIES  ::) 8)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 19, 2010, 10:29:33 PM
Yes, but it will be expensive to put the whole name  on a badge.....

Happy Intelligent Plant Persons Internet Experience Society.... the acronym will be cheaper to add..... HIPPIES  ::) 8)

Ok Maggi ,you did it again. Can live with the acronym to ,so let peace and happyness joint us ...
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 19, 2010, 10:33:58 PM
Kris, the two Cyclamen species we have here in Bulgaria- C.hederifolium and C.coum are both generally associated with rockwork in open woods. One of the C.hederifolium populations we know, grows in what would  almost be described as xeric conditions in shallow pockets of soil in eroded limestone rock work under dwarfed lilac bushes. The whole area seems lifeless in summer, yet in late September the Cyclamen spring back into life. This is why I am surprised by Rogan's comment about them not doing well with him. The C.coum we have seen have been in more humic soil, but again associated with limestone.

Thanks Simon ,again some evidence...
Sure let you know al the efforts and tests I made in the future...
But can tel you already that cilicium also is a great rockgardenplant!   

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on January 19, 2010, 10:58:15 PM


Thanks Simon ,again some evidence...
Sure let you know al the efforts and tests I made in the future...
But can tel you already that cilicium also is a great rockgardenplant!   



 C. cilicium is happy in the paths here, too.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Sinchets on January 20, 2010, 08:13:57 AM
Good here too in the xeric garden- with Gymnospermium and Crocus- baked hard in summer  ;)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on January 29, 2010, 07:50:03 PM
Cyclamen are starting to flower now

Cyclamen alpinum
Cyclamen coum
Cyclamen coum 'Lake Effect'
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on January 29, 2010, 07:55:10 PM
Tony, lovely. What size pots are you using please?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on January 29, 2010, 08:01:08 PM
Tony, lovely. What size pots are you using please?

David the first is in a 20 cm one the second a 15 cm and the last which is a young plant 10cm. They all need potting on but there is no time.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Oron Peri on February 02, 2010, 10:53:20 AM
Tony
these are fantastic plants, in particularly the alpinum.

Here the pseudibericum, libanoticum are starting to bloom now...


 Cyclamen  X schwarzii [libanoticum x pseudoibericum]
 C. pseudibericum
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on February 04, 2010, 12:03:34 AM
Bumping 2010 thread back up..........

Pictures taken Jan 22th and 25th
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on February 04, 2010, 12:08:41 AM
Coum bud/flower, it's under snow again. Maybe next week it will warm back up.


Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on February 04, 2010, 12:09:28 AM
Guff, have you seen this thread ? .... great looking cyclamen at the famous Ashwood's nursery in England.......
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4942.0
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on February 04, 2010, 12:34:55 AM
Maggi thanks, yes I missed it.

I hope my coum bed turns out nice in a few years, so far so good.

I will be ordering hellebore seed for the first time from them. Ashwoods charges a phytosanitary certificate fee for US customers to import seed. I wrote the USDA and they said I didn't need a phyto, only small lot seed permit. Ashwoods said they would accept my permit, so it will be interesting to see how it works out. They said I was the first to ask about it.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on February 04, 2010, 12:41:26 AM
As I understand it, it is the Small Lots of Seed permit that you can use for seed from a commercial seed house just like you can with the SRGC or AGS Seed Exchanges, Guff.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on February 05, 2010, 04:09:57 AM
Cyclamen hederifolium flowering today.  Grown completely under HID lights in the basement.

Arnold
New Jersey
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on February 08, 2010, 03:21:38 AM
Cyclamen cilicicum grown under HID lights
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: fermi de Sousa on February 10, 2010, 06:42:03 AM
In the Southern hemisphere, Cyclamen graecum is just waking up from its summer siesta,
[attachthumb=1]

cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Ragged Robin on February 10, 2010, 08:19:43 AM
The siesta has paid off dividends, Fermi - a graceful beauty :)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Jo on February 10, 2010, 04:33:13 PM
The sun was shining so I took a few pics in the alpine house. 

Here's Cyclamen pseudibericum enjoying the sun. Mind you it sulks if it gets too warm in the greenhouse.

Its been in a pot in an uncovered sand plunge all winter and has had -8 C and a lot of snow on it.  It's come through very happily.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on February 12, 2010, 08:07:02 PM
A couple flowering for the first time for me:-

Cyclamen coum 'Golan Heights'
Cyclamen libanoticum

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on February 12, 2010, 08:13:58 PM


Lots of plants coming into flower with you down there.... great to see them.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: annew on February 12, 2010, 10:01:08 PM
Nice ones David. I seem to recall a long time ago when I grew libanoticum it used to manage one leaf and one flower at a time!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on February 13, 2010, 07:27:35 PM
Nice ones David. I seem to recall a long time ago when I grew libanoticum it used to manage one leaf and one flower at a time!

I'm surprised too Anne because it has been left to it's own devises. I don't have sufficient greenhouse space (yet!!) to grow Cyclamen well and they tend to get shoved into any odd corner. Neglect seems to have suited it.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 13, 2010, 10:19:45 PM
Love the silver seedlings in Reply #41. I think I'd be selecting those out and making a little patch of pure silver. :)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Hans J on February 14, 2010, 11:52:06 AM
Before some days I saw in a box with seedlings from the last years a pure white flower  :)
My first idea was that this is a pot with seedlings of Cyc. 'Golan Heigths' .....but after better looking I saw that the leaves are different  :o
...when I read the label it was clear :

Cyclamen coum albissimum 'George Bisson' ( seeds ex John Lonsdale )

what a nice surprise !!!
Before some weeks I saw this pics here and read the discussion about wrong named plants ...and now I have the correct plant  ;D ;D ;D ....thank you John !

Hans 8)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: annew on February 14, 2010, 04:38:40 PM
The flowers are a different shape to David's too. Very pretty.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: ashley on February 15, 2010, 10:23:55 PM
C. pseudibericum is starting under glass here too but not yet in the garden.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on February 16, 2010, 10:33:48 AM
Friends, there were some posts relating to cyclamen flowering in 2010 that were still in the 2009 thread... they have been moved here now.

Thanks, Hans, for bringing this to my attention.  :)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Melvyn Jope on February 16, 2010, 05:52:22 PM
About three years ago I was given seed by a friend, Dave Hoskins, who said it was from a selected white form of what is now known in the UK as Russian Coum. This name has generally been used to describe a form of Cyclamen coum with no white mark in the purple blotch at the base of the flower.It was originally grown in the UK by Mike Salmon who had it growing under an apple tree when he lived at Monocot, Cadbury Camp Lane near Bristol. Mike said that wild collected seed from various localities in Transcaucasia was sent to him in the 1960's by a Russian  botanist called Zinaida Artuishenko. It was first noticed to be something different and good by Jim Archibald, he urged Mike to take care of it and get seed to other people. As a result it was passed to a few other growers and is occasionally in Jim Archibalds seed list but is still relatively scarce.
As can be seen from my pot of seedlings it does not come 100% true from seed when open pollinated among other Cyclamen coum. In my view the pink form is as attractive as the white.
I have grown this form before in the 1980's and feel glad to be growing it again, I hope you enjoy seeing it too.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Ragged Robin on February 16, 2010, 06:46:14 PM
A truly wonderful sight Melvyn - I love the markings on your potful of rare Russian Coum seedlings, pink and white  :)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johnw on February 16, 2010, 07:31:42 PM
Melvyn - Quite a nice elongated nose on the pink one in shot 2.

coum Russian from the CS was not a great germinator here last year.

johnw
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Roma on February 16, 2010, 10:12:33 PM
Hans, I also have Cyclamen coum albissimum 'George Bisson flowering for the first time. Mine is from Cyclamen Society seed.  It is a much stronger plant than 'Golan Heights' which I find is a bit straggly with smaller flowers.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Roma on February 17, 2010, 09:55:53 PM
Cyclamen coum
Self sown in grass
In gravel with snow, some self sown and some planted
Self sown at the back of the coldframe
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: fleurbleue on February 17, 2010, 10:16:05 PM
 :o Very smart this white coum albissimum "George Bisson, Hans and Roma
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 18, 2010, 01:48:44 AM
When self-sowing, don't they always seem to find exactly the right spot? 8)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johnw on February 18, 2010, 04:12:27 AM
When self-sowing, don't they always seem to find exactly the right spot? 8)

Lesley

I would say no.  I have had them come up on hard-packed soil in the lawn, right on the foot-worn path and in spots that are later poorly drained or bone-dry - they then get knocked out in the winter or during a drought.

johnw
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: fermi de Sousa on February 18, 2010, 06:11:42 AM
When self-sowing, don't they always seem to find exactly the right spot? 8)

Lesley

I would say no.  I have had them come up on hard-packed soil in the lawn, right on the foot-worn path and in spots that are later poorly drained or bone-dry - they then get knocked out in the winter or during a drought.

johnw

It's the ones that survive that look like they've found the right spot!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 18, 2010, 07:12:52 PM
You're right Fermi and so far as Cyc. coum is concerned, mine only seem to self-seed onto the top of the corms or immediately around them so most have to be removed anyway, but other plants do it better. Lewisias for instances, love to self-sow in the gravel n a path or at the base of a trough. Of course that's just a few. Probably most seeds never germinate or get eaten or carted off. The survivors, as you say.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: shelagh on February 20, 2010, 11:29:03 AM
Just a couple of little gems that have come out this week.

First 2 are C. elegans X C. alpina
Second 2 are C.X Drydeniae which is a Coum /Alpinum cross.

The C. Drydeniae is scarcely a cm across, a miniature gen if ever there was one.  This is it's first time of flowering.

Seed for both came from the Cyc. Soc.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on February 20, 2010, 12:37:26 PM
Shelagh  very nice to see and very interesting.Not something I have tried doing(yet)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 20, 2010, 10:07:25 PM
Is it normal for the x Drydeniae seedlings to have extra petals?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: shelagh on February 21, 2010, 11:48:32 AM
Sorry Lesley it needs someone with far more knowledge of Cyclamen to answer that.  Perhaps Diane will have an opinion when she gets back from sunning herself in Spain.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Sinchets on February 21, 2010, 12:11:38 PM
Found flowering yesterday throughout woodlands in southeast Bulgaria this Cyclamen coum is generally a shocking pink colour with a few plants being paler.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Ragged Robin on February 21, 2010, 01:15:28 PM
Wow, Simon, certainly is a shocking pink and quite gorgeous  :D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Regelian on February 21, 2010, 01:24:36 PM
Simon,

great colour and the markings are wonderfully clear.  Hope you were able to collect some for propagation.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Sinchets on February 21, 2010, 01:33:00 PM
Yes, Jamie. We had our first flowering from seed a few years ago and these also set seed so we now have babies appearing around them. Time will tell if they keep the strong pink when they mix with the paler pinks we have from UK stock.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Diane Clement on February 21, 2010, 08:40:39 PM
Cyclamen coum coming along very slowly here.  Those in the garden are in flower, though now with their fourth (or is it fifth?) covering of snow.  Those in pots always a bit behind the garden ones, due to shadier situation in frames and greenhouse.
I'm going to start with a link back to another thread where last year I showed for the first time a pure white coum.  

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3204.0 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3204.0)

Unlike other C coum albissimums the pedicel has no red colouring.
This year it has three flowers (maybe more to come, I hope).  Not exactly vigorous, although it seems healthy and has come through the winter well (in the past I have lost other albissimum clones in cold conditions).  The leaf is not as glossy as last year, and is dull in texture (and interest!)


Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Diane Clement on February 21, 2010, 08:49:12 PM
On an earlier thread, Cyclamen for identification:

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3204.23 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3204.23)

Basil mentions my albino coum as possibly being the third of its type.  I will be content to accept fourth place  ;D  
as Ashwood got there before me and have had a new white clone for sale for a couple of years.  They must have had good seed set as there were plenty of plants for sale this year.  
It is called Ashwood Snowflake.
I'm probably biased, but I see a very slight greyish/pinkish tinge at the nose, whereas mine is pure white.  Also the pedicel has some red colour, whereas mine is plain green.   8)
  

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Diane Clement on February 21, 2010, 08:55:01 PM
And a couple of strong colours, the first is Linnet Jewel which is a good strong pink and I have several plants showing the same colouration, so clearly coming true from seed.
The second is a remarkable colour which I had difficulty in capturing and the picture does not do it justice - Meaden's Crimson.  It really is a dark crimson and the leaf is very dark green with almost a crimson tinge to it.  Also coming true from seed.

Cyclamen coum 'Linnet Jewel' and leaf
Cyclamen coum 'Meaden's Crimson' and leaf
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: cohan on February 21, 2010, 09:17:24 PM
Found flowering yesterday throughout woodlands in southeast Bulgaria this Cyclamen coum is generally a shocking pink colour with a few plants being paler.
great plants- i like the extra colour at the base of the petals..
is this a lower altitude than where you live?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Sinchets on February 21, 2010, 09:34:23 PM
Cohan, yes they are a good strong colour- maybe if we put a name to them they will be desirable  ;)
The area we went to is halfway between us and Istanbul and maybe also half of our altitude. So so I am sure this is why they are in full force while ours are just beginning.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: cohan on February 21, 2010, 11:12:37 PM
Cohan, yes they are a good strong colour- maybe if we put a name to them they will be desirable  ;)
The area we went to is halfway between us and Istanbul and maybe also half of our altitude. So so I am sure this is why they are in full force while ours are just beginning.

oh yes, they need a name-- Cyclamen coum 'Super Magenta'?  C coum 'Flight of Fuchsia'? 'Purple Passion'? 'Valentine's Delight'? okay, i'll stop..
personally, i am most happy to see a name like Cyclamen coum  from Halfway to Istanbul; i'd much rather locality info than cultivar names that tell you nothing other than how fanciful someone's imagination is; of course if they are garden origin, have at it!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on February 22, 2010, 02:14:13 PM
Some Cyclamen coum. The first is from Kose Dag which is in Eastern Turkey,south from Trabzon. The second is from the North West near Nicksar a distance of over 500 miles from each other .
The third is a picture of a group of coum all from the same seed pod from Lake Abant in NW Turkey and the next two are two of the same plants showing the contrast in leaf markings. The plants from this area are a very rich dark colour.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: shelagh on February 22, 2010, 05:25:46 PM
Wow Tony I don't know whether to feel sick or just turn green with envy.  Terrific plants, hope I last long enough to see some of ours get that big.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on February 22, 2010, 06:46:26 PM
Again the snow is gone in the Flemish part of our country.
In the rockgarden ,my Cyclamen alpinum are in full flower . They even did before the different snow periods.
The flowers and leafs are not damaged by frost or snow. 
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Sinchets on February 22, 2010, 07:12:44 PM
Great to see them outside, Kris.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Roma on February 22, 2010, 10:01:46 PM
I posted a pic of Cyclamen coum growing in grass on the 17th.  This is what it looked like two days later.  This is a sunny spot and the snow melted quickly.  The pale pink ones in the gravel are still under snow with only the flowers visible.
Also Cyclamen pseudibericum from Cyclamen society seed, in a pot in the greenhouse.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: fermi de Sousa on February 23, 2010, 06:57:43 AM
Cyclamen graecum, now in full flower,
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There are a couple of others in flower (in pots) which came as seed from NARGs but donated by Ellen Hornig ! I'll try to get a pic in the next day or two.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: ian mcenery on February 23, 2010, 09:35:53 AM
Kris lovely little plant and looking so healthy  8)

Fermi nice to see graecum at this time of the year  8)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on February 23, 2010, 12:24:27 PM
I think one of the problems about being a novice is that you tend to take what it says on a label as absolute fact! In 2007 I bought two seedling pots labelled Cyclamen cilicium album. The first one to flower, late last August was indeed C. cilicium but wasn't forma album! Here are some pics of the second. Now as very much a beginner as far as Cyclamen are concerned I have terrible difficulty in IDing them. Given the leaf shape of this it suggests to me Cyclamen coum, as does the shape of the flowers but I would welcome some help please. The underside of the leaves is a deep reddish colour and the flowers are perhaps a deeper magenta than the pictures show. What I don't understand is why a grower with donkey's years of experience would get this one wrong?

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Paul T on February 23, 2010, 12:44:34 PM
Great pics everyone!

Diane,

I much prefer your white to the Ashwood one...... I like the pale stems and it does look a cleaner white.  I also much prefer the flower shape of yours.  I think you'd better start breeding them up for all the seed orders you'll be getting from SRGCers.  ;D ;D  Very nice.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Basil Smith on February 23, 2010, 01:11:45 PM
Diane's images of coum Ashwood Snowflake above are both enjoyable and instructive. All named seed strains of cyclamen appear to contain some degree of variation, whether one parent plant is isolated and selfed, or  two apparently identical siblings are isolated and crossed, or whether a seedling is back-crossed with its apparently identical parent in isolation from other plants. I understand that Snowflake was selected and introduced specifically for its "Christmas tree" leaf (dark green tree pattern on a silver ground), combined with an albissimum flower. Early CS trips of course brought back a number of outstanding plants with this leaf pattern, usually with bicolor or diaphanous pink blooms.

Current growers are finding the stability of Ashwood Snowflake to be around 50%, which I would consider quite commendable for a dual characteristic cyclamen selection. The commonest form of degredation would be the appearance of pinkish smudges on flowers - as in Diane's pictures. But others, say a bright silver leaf with a shell pink bloom, could be quite attractive.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: ashley on February 23, 2010, 02:33:15 PM
Looks like pseudibericum (http://www.cyclamen.org/pseud_set.html) David.  
Your alpinum outdoors is excellent Kris 8)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Rodger Whitlock on February 23, 2010, 04:21:16 PM
Looks like pseudibericum (http://www.cyclamen.org/pseud_set.html) David.

Not pseudibericum, I assure you. I've grown that for years, and its flowers are very distinctive. David's plant is coum. I could probably go outside this very minute and find any number of plants with precisely the same characters as David's.

Speaking of Cyclamen pseudibericum, has anyone ever heard of a pure white form? The species is a big, lusty, luscious cyclamen and a white form with good substance would be a real stunner. I nearly had a heart attack several years ago when I thought I had one, but it turned out to be a stray specimen of white-flowered coum.

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: ashley on February 23, 2010, 06:54:37 PM
Sorry David; Roger's right, now that I look more carefully :-[

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on February 23, 2010, 07:26:26 PM
Many thanks for your help Rodger and Ashley. Chris Grey-Wilson doesn't mention one in his monograph Rodger.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on February 23, 2010, 07:42:11 PM
Looks like pseudibericum (http://www.cyclamen.org/pseud_set.html) David.

Not pseudibericum, I assure you. I've grown that for years, and its flowers are very distinctive. David's plant is coum. I could probably go outside this very minute and find any number of plants with precisely the same characters as David's.

Speaking of Cyclamen pseudibericum, has anyone ever heard of a pure white form? The species is a big, lusty, luscious cyclamen and a white form with good substance would be a real stunner. I nearly had a heart attack several years ago when I thought I had one, but it turned out to be a stray specimen of white-flowered coum.


This is my white one with a pink nose which I think is preferable to a totally white one.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on February 23, 2010, 08:01:00 PM
Great to see them outside, Kris.
Kris lovely little plant and looking so healthy  8)
Your alpinum outdoors is excellent Kris 8)

Thanks everybody for your nice comments.As I say earlier ,I like to try more Cyclamen species outside in the rockgarden in the near future.In mine opinion this is the right habitat for a lot of Cyclamen.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Basil Smith on February 23, 2010, 09:00:33 PM
Regarding Diane's images of coum Meaden's Crimson strain (#84 above), I also found it impossible to capture its density of colour; it's an ultra-deep shade, almost sombre. The bloom above is of course not fully developed; it normally has a typical coum shape and is rather below average in size. Its leaf does not vary - always a plain dark green which is a good foil for a deep crimson bloom. Degenerates lose the depth of colour, becoming a deep magenta-pink; these need to be rogued to maintain the strain.

That said, Bob Meaden had another option in mind a while back when he got in touch looking for coum Stirling Silver (photo in Grey-Wilson) which he intended to hybridise with Meaden's Crimson, hoping to combine the dark crimson with the silver. That would be spectacular, but I've no news on progress with this project.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: fermi de Sousa on February 24, 2010, 02:51:10 AM
Tony,
I can see why you like that one!

These are two other seedling Cyclamen graecum which I think are a little light in colour than the one I posted earlier
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cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: ian mcenery on February 24, 2010, 09:50:40 AM
Looks like pseudibericum (http://www.cyclamen.org/pseud_set.html) David.

Not pseudibericum, I assure you. I've grown that for years, and its flowers are very distinctive. David's plant is coum. I could probably go outside this very minute and find any number of plants with precisely the same characters as David's.

Speaking of Cyclamen pseudibericum, has anyone ever heard of a pure white form? The species is a big, lusty, luscious cyclamen and a white form with good substance would be a real stunner. I nearly had a heart attack several years ago when I thought I had one, but it turned out to be a stray specimen of white-flowered coum.


This is my white one with a pink nose which I think is preferable to a totally white one.


Nice colour variatian Tony. Does this fall into the group classified as roseum?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on February 24, 2010, 10:05:39 AM
Ian I think it has to come under roseum. Here is a picture of its offspring flowering for the first time last year. Not quite as I had hoped.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gerry Webster on February 24, 2010, 05:32:18 PM
Cyclamen coum

Ex BSBE 518. The flowers are somewhat darker than the photo shows.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: ian mcenery on February 24, 2010, 06:49:38 PM
Ian I think it has to come under roseum. Here is a picture of its offspring flowering for the first time last year. Not quite as I had hoped.
Tony I have a pseudobericum that is almost white but with the faintest pink underlay will post when the flowers open
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: cycnich on February 25, 2010, 04:17:30 PM
Looks like pseudibericum (http://www.cyclamen.org/pseud_set.html) David.

Not pseudibericum, I assure you. I've grown that for years, and its flowers are very distinctive. David's plant is coum. I could probably go outside this very minute and find any number of plants with precisely the same characters as David's.

Speaking of Cyclamen pseudibericum, has anyone ever heard of a pure white form? The species is a big, lusty, luscious cyclamen and a white form with good substance would be a real stunner. I nearly had a heart attack several years ago when I thought I had one, but it turned out to be a stray specimen of white-flowered coum.



I was on the 2002 Cyclamen society field study for Pseudibericum and try as we might we never found a pure white. We found and collected some very pale ones with a hint of pink on the nose but that was as close as we got.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 26, 2010, 02:04:04 AM
First hints of autumn in the air with chilly mornings (still stifling afternoons though) and first flowers on Cyc. hederifolium and my best dark C. cilicium. I'll post a pic in a few days when there are more out. This particular corm has been long-lived, about 15 years now in the same trough and a few before that. It seems just about to fill the trough. The flowers are a much deeper colour than other cililciums but it has never set seed. It flowers for 5 months.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Michael J Campbell on March 01, 2010, 10:27:25 PM
Cyclamen coum in the garden.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on March 02, 2010, 03:52:32 PM
Cyclamen libanoticum out at the moment. I keep this frost free.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: cycnich on March 03, 2010, 04:11:36 PM
Found this self sown seedling in the garden today. Looks to me like X Drydeniae. The leaves are typical coum and the flower is typical alpinum and almost picotee. There is no scent that I can dectect lying on my belly in the mud, these things always appear in the most awkward places. Opinions please.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johnw on March 07, 2010, 07:26:36 PM
Here is a coum from CSE #S10N 54B grown the the CS exchange back in 1995. It is desparately slow here and my mix could be to fault.  I do like the hot pink bicoloured flowers though.  I don't know any of the particulars on this expedition and would be pleased if anyone can help.

A glorious sunny day at +9c. Snowdrops poking up all over.

johnw
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 10, 2010, 08:12:42 AM
Some great stuff there! C. coum are still asleep here!
Cyclamen graecum continue on! This one is my oldest specimen and increases in flower power each year,
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And this is one of the younger plants in the rock garden, grown from NARGS Sdx, donated by Ellen Hornig, NY.
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cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Ragged Robin on March 10, 2010, 08:42:32 AM
Cyclamen libanoticum out at the moment. I keep this frost free.

Tony, I love this cyclamen for the leaves and delicate flower shape and colour - where does it grow naturally?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on March 11, 2010, 09:03:03 PM
Coum bed.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: PDJ on March 11, 2010, 10:14:03 PM
Just a couple of pics of Cyclamen peloponnesiacum.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on March 11, 2010, 11:13:13 PM
Cyclamen libanoticum out at the moment. I keep this frost free.

Tony, I love this cyclamen for the leaves and delicate flower shape and colour - where does it grow naturally?

I understand it grows in Lebanon and is rare there.Not one I have seen in the wild
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on March 15, 2010, 04:25:48 PM
Two Cyclamen parviflorum in flower now
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Roma on March 15, 2010, 08:28:44 PM
Since I retired six years ago I've not got round to visiting the Cruickshank Botanic garden at this time of year.  I made the effort and went in last Tuesday.  One planting which caught my eye were the Cyclamen coum round the base of the Monkey Puzzle tree.  They were grown from Cyclamen Society seed sown in 1998.  There was a narrow trench about 4-6inches deep where soil had been removed with weeds at the base of the tree.  I removed more turf to make the circle wider then filled it with leaf mould.  I then planted the Cyclamen coum.  They have done much better than the ones I took home and have in pots in my greenhouse.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Shaw on March 15, 2010, 08:41:17 PM
That is a lovely planting, Roma. I note that they are still tightly confined to the base of the tree. Is this because any seed germination further out gets mowed or do seed not germinate on the grass?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Roma on March 15, 2010, 09:57:13 PM
David, I didn't look closely but I didn't notice any seedlings away from the tree.  I suppose the grass is mown oftener and more closely than my grass at home.  I have a lovely patch of Cyclamen coum in grass near my shed and there used to be a lot of self sown coum in my brother's garden next door.  I'm not sure whether he has been mowing more regularly or if they have been overgrown by ivy or eaten by deer but the coum in my brother's grass has dwindled in the last couple of years.  Cyclamen hederifolium has also self seeded in grass in my garden.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gerdk on March 16, 2010, 11:28:18 AM
Strange Cyclamen coum 'Golan Heights'

These are the first flowers of a plant which I bought as 'Golan Heights'.
In bud they have a slight pink shade but when developed fully they seem to be pure white with the exception of the odd bicolored one.

I would be glad if there will be someone who is able to confirm the validity of the plant.

Gerd

p.s.
Sorry about the poor quality of the pics
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gerdk on March 17, 2010, 07:20:01 PM
Unfortunately no confirmation until now! :(

Gerd
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on March 17, 2010, 07:31:54 PM
Gerd, I'm not nearly enough experienced in Cyclamen growing to give you a confirmation (or not as the case may be) but in case it is a help I have re-posted below pics of my young plant of Cyclamen coum 'Golan Heights' that I first posted on 12 February. Nobody posted to tell me it wasn't right! ;D

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gerdk on March 18, 2010, 07:18:04 AM
Thank you David - shape of flowers and coloration of the leaves seem to fit my plant!

Gerd
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on March 19, 2010, 10:27:16 PM
Coum and crocus
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 22, 2010, 03:24:11 AM
Another cyclamen coming into bloom, C. mirabile (seed from Tilebarn Nicholas, but not as good as the original)
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cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on March 23, 2010, 01:23:14 PM
Strange Cyclamen coum 'Golan Heights'

These are the first flowers of a plant which I bought as 'Golan Heights'.
In bud they have a slight pink shade but when developed fully they seem to be pure white with the exception of the odd bicolored one.

I would be glad if there will be someone who is able to confirm the validity of the plant.

Gerd

p.s.
Sorry about the poor quality of the pics

Gerd,

Maybe you have seen this already but if not take a look at Diane Clements Midlands Diary on the AGS Site, you may find it helpful.

http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/diaries/Midland/+March+/262/
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on March 23, 2010, 04:15:07 PM
Pure white seedling.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gerdk on March 23, 2010, 04:38:56 PM
Strange Cyclamen coum 'Golan Heights'

These are the first flowers of a plant which I bought as 'Golan Heights'.
In bud they have a slight pink shade but when developed fully they seem to be pure white with the exception of the odd bicolored one.

I would be glad if there will be someone who is able to confirm the validity of the plant.







Gerd

p.s.
Sorry about the poor quality of the pics

Gerd,

Maybe you have seen this already but if not take a look at Diane Clements Midlands Diary on the AGS Site, you may find it helpful.

http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/diaries/Midland/+March+/262/

Thank you David, this answers my question completely.
(Didn't look at the Diary until now).

Gerd
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: daveyp1970 on March 23, 2010, 05:07:25 PM
i have a nice two purple leaved C.Hed seedling i hope it stays like this next year
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on March 25, 2010, 03:27:59 AM
Interesting purple leaves.

Last pictures for this year.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on March 28, 2010, 06:32:33 PM
Today in flower here : Cyclamen libanoticum 
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on March 28, 2010, 06:35:32 PM
 Can't get enough of this fine (and smelling good)Cyclamen. ;D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 28, 2010, 10:08:39 PM
Another cyclamen coming into bloom, C. mirabile (seed from Tilebarn Nicholas, but not as good as the original)

cheers
fermi
But still not to be sneezed at Fermi. :D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 28, 2010, 10:10:18 PM
Can't get enough of this fine (and smelling good)Cyclamen. ;D

One of my favourites and, surprisingly, I've not had a sniff at it. Will remedy that in the winter when they start to flower. :)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gordon Cottis on March 29, 2010, 12:39:10 PM
Strange Cyclamen coum 'Golan Heights'

These are the first flowers of a plant which I bought as 'Golan Heights'.
In bud they have a slight pink shade but when developed fully they seem to be pure white with the exception of the odd bicolored one.

I would be glad if there will be someone who is able to confirm the validity of the plant.

Gerd

The question of validity of cyclamen names seems to me to be always somewhat unsatisfactory as all plants are raised from seed and therefore to some extent variable. The question for sellers and buyers is how close does the plant need to be to the original to warrant the name?
Having said that your plant seems similar to plants I've grown from Cyclamen Society seed and to fit the original description ie with plain green leaves and an unmarked white flower.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gerdk on March 29, 2010, 01:23:40 PM
Gordon,
- so it is! Thank you for this additional confirmation!

Gerd
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 13, 2010, 08:55:49 PM
Cyclamen persicum
Cylamen repandum hyb.?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on April 13, 2010, 09:21:03 PM
Cyclamen persicum
Cylamen repandum hyb.?
Why might that be a hybrid and not just C. repandum, Michael?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 13, 2010, 09:31:42 PM
Maggi,because when I post it as Repandum somebody will surely tell me it is not correct. So I always put a ? to be sure to be sure. :)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on April 13, 2010, 10:04:19 PM
 ::) :-X
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: cycnich on April 14, 2010, 04:57:58 PM
Cyclamen rhodium ssp peloponnesiacum, positive. Pat
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on April 14, 2010, 05:20:48 PM
C. rhodium subsp. peloponnesiacum  is a synonym for C. repandum ssp. peloponnesiacum isn't it, Pat? We're supposed to call it rhodium rather than repandum, though?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 14, 2010, 05:23:30 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: cycnich on April 14, 2010, 05:30:15 PM
Maggi
 No, C repandum is now a seperate species, C rhodium is also now a seperate species and has 2 ssp, ssp peloponnesiacum  and  ssp  vividum.  Confused ? so am I. Pat
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on April 14, 2010, 05:54:50 PM
Maggi
 No, C repandum is now a seperate species, C rhodium is also now a seperate species and has 2 ssp, ssp peloponnesiacum  and  ssp  vividum.  Confused ? so am I. Pat
Flippin' taxonomists! :-X
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: cycnich on April 14, 2010, 05:59:31 PM
Maggi
 No, C repandum is now a seperate species, C rhodium is also now a seperate species and has 2 ssp, ssp peloponnesiacum  and  ssp  vividum.  Confused ? so am I. Pat
Flippin' taxonomists! :-X

Wait till you see the new hederifolium classification! Pat
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on April 14, 2010, 06:15:54 PM
Maggi
 No, C repandum is now a seperate species, C rhodium is also now a seperate species and has 2 ssp, ssp peloponnesiacum  and  ssp  vividum.  Confused ? so am I. Pat
Flippin' taxonomists! :-X

Wait till you see the new hederifolium classification! Pat
Oh, I know what to do about that.... [attach=1]
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: t00lie on April 14, 2010, 09:35:00 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 14, 2010, 10:32:55 PM
Wait till you see the new hederifolium classification! Pat

What? Are they going to call it C. neopolitanum? ???
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: fermi de Sousa on April 15, 2010, 12:54:45 AM
Wait till you see the new hederifolium classification! Pat

What? Are they going to call it C. neopolitanum? ???
with 3 ssp: vanilla, chocolate and strawberry! ;D
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Rogan on April 16, 2010, 11:40:03 AM
Fermi, can't quite see... re. your avatar, is that you or a cat?  ;) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on April 16, 2010, 11:50:30 AM
Rogan, I hope you are not calling my friend a "Fat Cat"...  :o ..... he has a responsible job in the health department, he is neither useless nor overpaid .... tho' I cannot speak for any ambitions he may hold in that direction!  ;)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 17, 2010, 06:52:55 AM
While I swear to God I've never seen it, I doubt if his tummy is quite as white as that either. :D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on April 17, 2010, 05:16:20 PM
Cyclamen coum 'Yayladagi'

flower/Leaf

Arnold
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Mark Griffiths on April 18, 2010, 12:53:47 PM
When I started this post this was Cyclamen rhodium ssp vividum. I think. I have a fair number of these. Wish I had a bit more luck with obtaining and keeping C.rhodium though I have some C. repandum x creticum that do a reasonable impression of the flower colouring (but not shape).

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 18, 2010, 11:22:07 PM
Cyclamen. pseudibericum.
Cyclamen. pseudibericum f. roseum.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Ragged Robin on April 19, 2010, 09:44:39 AM
Cyclamen coum 'Yayladagi'

flower/Leaf

Arnold

Glorious colour and shape of flower and leaf, Arnold - where does the name come from  ::)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on April 19, 2010, 11:28:58 AM
Robin:

Yayladagi is a Turkish city on the border near Syria.  The seed came from a fellow SRGC colleague.  I think the plant may be 4 to 5 years old.  I have it in the basement under lights where it is cool.  This may account for the late flowering.

Arnold
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Ragged Robin on April 19, 2010, 12:23:59 PM
Arnold, thanks for that - it is a great looking plant and I am amazed at what you grow without it seeing the light of day  8)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 29, 2010, 07:47:56 PM
Cyclamen balericum.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Mark Griffiths on April 29, 2010, 08:20:31 PM
Nice. Any chance you can put up a picture of the leaves?

I have a number of C. creticum that look more like that flower and blunt leaves..but they might be hybrids. Equally I have a number of C.balearicum with pointed leaves. All were from Cyclamen society seed.

I rember having plants that had big blue green, silvery leaves. oddly when i found the plants in the wild the leaves were nothing like as distinctly "balericum"
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 29, 2010, 08:30:33 PM
I don't have a pic taken today but here is one from file.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Mark Griffiths on April 29, 2010, 09:09:19 PM
thanks. It's not quite the form I used to know, that had very big leaves, but I can still see the blunt toothing and tip. Not sure what I have!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 29, 2010, 09:30:06 PM
I am not quite sure about them as they seem to have hybridized with Creticum and Repandum. I think that most of my plants in that range are now all hybs, some nice plants though.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Mark Griffiths on April 29, 2010, 09:54:55 PM
Yes, I think alot of my plants are now mutts too. But as you say, they are often very pretty.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: galahad on April 30, 2010, 12:09:15 AM
Some of my 2 year seedlings

I am loving the silver leaves in the C. hed. mix

Not sure what the last one is.  Need to check the seed list and relabel
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: galahad on April 30, 2010, 12:11:13 AM
This years SRGC Cyclamen seedlings (or at least half of them) complete with spider webs
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: bulborum on May 02, 2010, 02:08:48 PM
Ross yours look most for Cyclamen coum mixture
and the right bottom one a terrible weed
By the way
are there native bulbs in New Zealand
I never hear anything about bulbs from there
I just heard there is a yellow Crinum in Australia

Roland
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: bulborum on May 02, 2010, 10:37:35 PM
Hello Mark

Here some leaves from Cyclamen balearicum
the first two from Peter Moore
the last two from commercial stock

Roland
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 03, 2010, 02:39:38 AM
Sadly Roland, there is not one single bulbous plant that is native to New Zealand. :'( Those of us who are severely addicted to bulbs have to sponge off everyone else's natives but thankfully, most grow well here once they have travelled across the oceans or through the skies. Thank goodness so many species and hybrids were introduced by pioneering families or by keen gardeners and nursery owners in former years.

The nearest we have to bulbs are the pseudobulbs of some small, terrestrial orchids such as Thelymitra or Caladenia.

Ross, many of yours will be super plants when they're matured.

Among the two year olds, the last pic looks like a mixed selection of coums including from the Pewter group.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: galahad on May 03, 2010, 07:25:46 AM


Ross, many of yours will be super plants when they're matured.

Among the two year olds, the last pic looks like a mixed selection of coums including from the Pewter group.

Just looked up the number and it is just listed as C. coum
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 03, 2010, 09:20:02 PM
Was the seed from AGS or SRGC? That would suggest that all the seed of C. coum from various sources, is lumped together before distributing. If the same applies to your seedlings of C. hederifolium, it would make selecting those for one's application, well worth while in order to get some of those super silver forms. Usually I gloss over those with a sort of mental "yeah yeah," and go on to something more exciting. :)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: bulborum on May 03, 2010, 09:51:06 PM
Thanks Lesley
Now I understand why I never heard about bulbs from New Zealand

Ross If you look for particular var. of hederifolium led me know
I have a small collection also silver leaved forms

Roland
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: galahad on May 04, 2010, 07:14:54 AM
Was the seed from AGS or SRGC? That would suggest that all the seed of C. coum from various sources, is lumped together before distributing. If the same applies to your seedlings of C. hederifolium, it would make selecting those for one's application, well worth while in order to get some of those super silver forms. Usually I gloss over those with a sort of mental "yeah yeah," and go on to something more exciting. :)
Those were from NZAGS
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: galahad on May 04, 2010, 07:15:47 AM
Thanks Lesley
Now I understand why I never heard about bulbs from New Zealand

Ross If you look for particular var. of hederifolium led me know
I have a small collection also silver leaved forms

Roland


Thanks.  Always keen for some good leaf forms
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: bulborum on May 04, 2010, 08:09:56 AM
OK Ross

Just help me remember in July
send me an email with your private address
and I send you the seeds

Roland
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: t00lie on May 04, 2010, 09:35:16 AM
Here are a few of mine Ross i've raised from seed.

As i'm no expert the names may or may not be correct--i just read the labels  ;D ;D

All foliage unfortunately ,although one of the coums has buds forming.

Cyclamen alpinum .
C. coum.
C. coum ssp caucasicum --despite my best efforts it does not set seed.Sorry Thomas H. :'( .
C. cyprium es form --Jan 08 AGS seed
C. hederifolium silver leaf
Cyclamen --lost label--Anyone got an idea please.....Ta.

Cheers Dave.

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: galahad on May 04, 2010, 10:02:30 AM
Some very cool leaf forms, Dave
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: bulborum on May 04, 2010, 10:07:20 AM
Lost label looks like hederifolium silvery leaved white form

Roland
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 04, 2010, 10:28:36 PM
Aren't they just all stuning. :D Roland, could you spare a few to come to me as well please? :-*
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: bulborum on May 04, 2010, 10:43:48 PM
Of course Lesley

same for you just help me remember
I know my head its like a sieve
I have a nice arrow shaped Cyclamen hederifolium silver leaved one
From Peter Moore
I try to post a picture from the leaves on monday
I have first a plantshow in Belgium near Gent

Roland
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Thomas Huber on May 05, 2010, 10:31:00 AM
C. coum ssp caucasicum --despite my best efforts it does not set seed.Sorry Thomas H. :'( .
Cheers Dave.

What a pity  :-[ but I will survive it.
Thanks for your effort, Dave.
Meanwhile the other seeds arrived, many thanks  :-*
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Mark Griffiths on May 09, 2010, 09:13:51 PM
here's an odd one..it's one of my C. rhodium mutts..but it is outside in my Oxfordshire garden. I had been growing for several years in a trough so when I replanted the trough I thought I would give it a go outside..it's not a particularly good form but even so it is quite pretty and a novelty outside.

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Roma on May 10, 2010, 09:49:52 PM
Cyclamen flowering in my greenhouse now.
Cyclamen persicum from Cyclamen Society seed from CSE plant collected in Israel (too late and cold to go out to check the collection number but could do so tomorrow if anyone is interested)

Cyclamen repandum, rhodium, peloponnesiacum, vividum or any combination of these names which is currently in fashion.  All are from Cyclamen Society seed and some from plants collected on CS Expeditions.

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: bulborum on June 01, 2010, 07:12:31 AM
Forgotten to post

the leave from Cyclamen hederifolium Arrow Shape Silver Leaved

Roland
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 03, 2010, 12:43:36 AM
Fired from something it would just about pierce the skin - or heart. A magnificent leaf.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: bulborum on June 03, 2010, 02:33:11 PM
Good news Lesley

I have 3 seed pots on the Cyclamen hederifolium Arrow Shape Silver Leaved
normally there will be spare seeds

Roland
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 03, 2010, 10:23:57 PM
That is EXCELLENT news Roland. ;D :P
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: bulborum on June 03, 2010, 10:28:37 PM
Lesley

I mail you when they are ripe

Roland
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Rogan on June 08, 2010, 01:40:09 PM
Ah Cyclamen! I was a young boy in hospital when my mother brought me a cerise cyclamen in a pot - it wasn't anything special, just a commercial variety, but to me it made a great impression and a life-long love of plants developed as the result. Now I grow a small selection of species in pots and still look forward to the appearance of their exotic leaves and magnificent flowers every season. I do not grow many with extremely silvery leaves, but have to admit that they are really striking little plants!   8)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Paul T on June 17, 2010, 01:19:03 PM
Howdy All,

Some Cyclamen persicum variants that I have purchased this year at local nurseries.  Some of them have the most beautiful perfume.  The Ruffled ones are something I haven't seen before, with serrated leaves and ruffled flowers but in a mid size plant, not quite species size but nothing like as big as the big "florist" type you get here.  All of these ones are that smaller type, with more elegance than the larger ones.  I rather like the "good leaf" one, which was a new leaf variant in the shops here this year and can be bought in a range of colours, all with a good silver leaf with green edge.  Rather a striking combination, whatever the flower colour.  ;D

Not a brilliant background, I realise, but the main idea was to show you the plants.  ::)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Paul T on June 17, 2010, 01:20:47 PM
And a couple of pics of flowers on a Cyclamen coum.  So cool up close.  8)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: cohan on June 17, 2010, 09:29:43 PM
Forgotten to post

the leave from Cyclamen hederifolium Arrow Shape Silver Leaved

Roland

beautiful!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 17, 2010, 10:05:58 PM
Apart from my non-seeding C. cilicium which still has a few flowers (it started in early February!) this is my only plant in flower at present. Like Paul's it's one of the smaller florists' persicums and is on the bathroom windowsill, where it's very cool (west side of the house. VERY cool as the heater came to a stop on Monday and Roger hasn't fixed it yet >:() But the cool conditions really suit the cyclamen unlike the ones on the kitchen windowsill which get heated every morning by the sun and have to be watered every second day. Oh yes, they're in flower too, 5 of them, but not as elegant as this one. When I go into the bathroom the scent hits me in the face. It's very strong. In 4 weeks, not a single flower has died off and many more are coming.

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 17, 2010, 10:08:26 PM
A couple of my coums from the Pewter Group are showing a little colour but generally, they're all a few weeks away yet. More spring than winter flowering here.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Roma on June 19, 2010, 09:49:47 PM
I still have flowers on Cyclamen creticum, Cyclamen repandum, rhodium peloponnesiacum and rhodium vividum.
A Cyclamen intaminatum has produced a few flowers rather early. The deformed flowers are due to aphid damage.
Is this Cyclamen africanum trying to tell me it needs a bigger pot?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: bulborum on June 19, 2010, 10:07:02 PM
The first Cyclamen purpurescens in flower
Hundreds in flower   8)
when you walk in the tunnel  mmmmmm
what a perfume     :D    8)

Roland
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on June 19, 2010, 10:16:00 PM

Is this Cyclamen africanum trying to tell me it needs a bigger pot?
:D
It certainly looks like that, Roma.... if you are short of a good large clay pot then tell me what size the cyclamen would prefer and I'll see what I have for you and you can collect it sometime when you are in town. 
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Roma on June 19, 2010, 10:31:58 PM
Thanks Maggi.  I do have some big pots and think I have one large enough.  It's finding the time to do something about it.  I'd love to take it to the Discussion weekend but it always flowers too early and the leaves, though huge aren't attractive enough for the foliage class.

Nice purpurascens, Roland.  I can almost smell them from here.  Mine are beginning to flower too, but not in hundreds.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johnw on June 20, 2010, 12:11:11 AM
Is this Cyclamen africanum trying to tell me it needs a bigger pot?

Roma - Your picture reminded me to collect seed here. I went out to find my 10" pot cracked on both sides as well!

johnw
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 20, 2010, 04:33:53 AM
What amazing power some plants are able to exert on their solid material containers. Look at the way many weeds will split a concrete path, and Roma's cyclamen is a good example of this "grow regardless of the surroundings" ability. I had a Weldenia which split a strong hypertufa tub so that the four sides could be lifted neatly away from the plant (the only occupant) and I also have a large plant of Salvia microphylla in a very large hypertufa tub, it too, split entirely from top to bottom at the four corners. It doesn't fall away because the roots and stems have grown through the cracks, binding everything together.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Rogan on June 23, 2010, 09:02:23 AM
If I really, really had to choose a favorite Cyclamen this would have to be it - C. greacum in flower towards the end of March this year:
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Paul T on June 23, 2010, 09:09:52 AM
Wow Rogan, that is a beautifully elegant twisted petal form, isn't it?  The petals remind me of my rohlfsianum, which have that full twist like that.  I don't think I've seen any other Cyclamen like that until now.  I just love graecum, such a cool (and easy) species.  8)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: bulborum on June 26, 2010, 12:46:33 PM
A mass of perfume and in full flower
Cyclamen purpurescens
now not hundreds but thousands flowers
hundreds of plants in flower
and with this temperature
pity for you with the computer you can't smell this

Roland
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Hans J on July 11, 2010, 09:28:11 AM
Hi Cyclamenfriends ,

I have just postet my new offer with seeds of Cyclamen here :

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4311.msg159294#msg159294

Regards
Hans
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johnw on July 16, 2010, 01:24:54 AM
This crazy Cyclamen purpurascens seedling is putting out its Mickey Mouse ears again this year.

johnw
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 16, 2010, 05:41:46 AM
And I thought I'd never want to go to Disneyland ??? Is it that colour John or is it a lighting thing?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Paul T on July 16, 2010, 10:56:38 AM
John,

That would be fascinating if it stabilised that way.  Looks like that tiny seedling behind it has nice colour to the leaves as well.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johnw on July 16, 2010, 12:19:55 PM
And I thought I'd never want to go to Disneyland ??? Is it that colour John or is it a lighting thing?

Lesley - This seed lot gave some very interesting seedlings.  The colour is indeed pure silver on this seedling but there is a bare percetible green edge, others that are pure silver seem to have noticeable edges of green.

johnw
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Herminarik on July 25, 2010, 08:01:02 PM
Hello cyclamenphiles (?),

It seems that Cyclamen purpurascens open new season of second half year flowering Cyclamens (or at least here in south Moravia). The wild populations of Cyclamen purpurascens seams maybe quite uninterested to be, but if you have good eyes, a lot of time and the patience, you can find quite a lot of the plants interesting by leaves (or flowers). In the former Czechoslovakia were two forms of C. purpurascens described: C. purpurascens and C. fatrense. The locality of C. purpurascens we visited last year, but on the locus classicus of C. fatrense I was cca 20 years ago. The main difference between two these forms are in the leaves – C. purpurascens have leaves with the drawing while C. purpurascens (all population) has only plain dark green leaves without any drawing (that says the literature). But in fact it is a little bit complicated – in the southern (and warm) part of Moravia we found three plants with the leaves similar to C. purpurascens (see here below). Actually we have no pictures of true C. fatrense for comparison, but it will be change as we plan a short trip in the mountains of northern Slovakia for C. fatrense at the beginning of August.
The fird meber of this group – Cyclamen colchicum is quite distinguishable from these others,… , but in fact you till the moment you receive the C. colchicum with the plain leaves….
Cheers Igor and Pavlina
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Herminarik on July 25, 2010, 08:07:10 PM
Cyclamen colchicum and the other diff. leaves forms of C. purpurascens.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Herminarik on July 25, 2010, 08:08:57 PM
C. purpurascens with silver leaves...
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Herminarik on July 25, 2010, 08:10:43 PM
C. purpurascens - seedlings with different drawings and margins...
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Herminarik on July 25, 2010, 08:12:21 PM
C. purpurascens with plain leaves...
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Herminarik on July 25, 2010, 08:14:20 PM
C. purpurascens with the contrasted leave`s drawing and the diff. forms of leaves
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Herminarik on July 25, 2010, 08:16:30 PM
and at the end - some seedlinds - C. fatrense, C. colchicum plain leaves and C. purpurascens plain leaves...
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: bulborum on July 25, 2010, 08:27:15 PM
Hello Herminarik

very nice collection
Do you have a trick for germinating Cyclamen purpurascens

Roland
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on July 25, 2010, 08:31:06 PM
Very interesting Igor . Some remarkable leafforms too .
Cyclamen purpurascens grows even very well in my sunny and hot rockgarden!
The first  picture is the one from my rockgarden.
Second a darker flowering form .
Third another leafform.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 25, 2010, 11:20:46 PM
Some wonderful leaves there, and lovely perfume too. :D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on July 26, 2010, 10:49:33 AM
Some wonderful leaves there, and lovely perfume too. :D
Too right.... I'm  regretful that the majority of out C. purpurascens are plain leaved...... hope some of the seed sown  last year will make flashier babies!!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 26, 2010, 10:03:25 PM
I'm just grateful to have any at all, (courtesy Ashley A.) but I think we can get hung up sometimes on the highly decorated foliage and ignore the plain, to our loss. My most favourite plant of C. coum has good white flowers and very large, absolutely plain, deep green leaves and in a good clump which it now is, is a superb plant. The leaves have an almost oiled look, quite glossy.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: bulborum on July 26, 2010, 10:13:49 PM
Maggi

If you know somebody near Ashfort in Kent
I can give you some good marked C. purpurascens
sending is 16€ from France so a little extreme

Roland
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Herminarik on July 26, 2010, 10:17:55 PM
Hello Herminarik

very nice collection
Do you have a trick for germinating Cyclamen purpurascens

Roland

Hi Roland,

I think that each grower of Cyclamens has his own trick how the seeds of C. purpurascens could be carrying to the germination. And that is true that C. purpurascens germinate very occasionally and quite unwillingly. I do not know if the used substrate play any sense but we use the torf with loam and grounded dolomite and we cover the seeds with thin layer of the finely broken rubbish (we use only the fraction 1-2 mm in diameter, no dust but nor greater fractions). The temperature is 15-18 oC, the substrate may not dry up. When the tubers are a little bit greater (c. 6 months old), we change the upper layer of the substrate so that the tubers are surrounded with new airy substrate and the roots only stay in the original substrate. For new covering we use the ground dolomite or broken rubber (2-3 mm in diameter, no larger). Igor
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on July 27, 2010, 03:06:37 PM
Maggi

If you know somebody near Ashfort in Kent
I can give you some good marked C. purpurascens
sending is 16€ from France so a little extreme

Roland

You are very kind to suggest that, Roland. :-*
But no need to find a  friendly Kentish man, because we do have some marked babies coming on from seed so I will be patient here!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Thomas Huber on July 28, 2010, 04:01:44 PM
...... we do have some marked babies coming on from seed so I will be patient here!

Good news from your seeds - are you interested to see the parents of your babies in my garden?

Lots of different leaf colours, silver leaves, good markings and flowers from darkest pink to bright rosy - I love this species :D:
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Thomas Huber on July 28, 2010, 04:04:51 PM
And some more - what a pity the computer can't send their scent:
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on July 28, 2010, 04:16:54 PM
My word Thomas, they are looking REALLY GOOD! 
The fragrance must be intoxicating.... it is one of Ian's favourite scents.
 If our babies grow as well as these we shall be more than delighted!! 8)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on July 28, 2010, 04:19:57 PM
Thomas, do you have any special ingredient added to the soil these superb cyclamen are growing in to make them so healthy or is it the good Newstadt air?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Thomas Huber on July 28, 2010, 04:30:59 PM
No special treatment or ingredients for my Cyclamen, Maggi. They are growing in my standard soil mix with lots of sand and some compost. But the best flowering is in the soil I mixed up with PUMICE. In the same corner of the garden I watered the crocus bulbs with liquid fertilizer in spring - probably the Cyclamen also had their benefit from this food? Some weeks ago they had to survive direct sun for 3-5 hours per day with temperatures around 35°C - and they are still alive!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on July 28, 2010, 04:36:03 PM
That is bad heat they have had... on top of the rain storms as well, eh? !! These plants are tough! 8)

I'm thinking that the pumice may be a vital aid.... :)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Roma on July 28, 2010, 04:50:09 PM
Fantastic Cyclamen purpurascens, Thomas.  I planted 4 in the garden earlier this year and I can see three growing with one flower and one bud.  I must look for more planting places.  In the shadier spots more vigorous plants are likely to smother them.   
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: angie on July 28, 2010, 05:56:06 PM
Thomas what a show...wish I could be there and admire them all, still its lovely being able to see a picture of them. 8)

Angie :)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Roma on July 28, 2010, 08:43:12 PM
Some of my Cyclamen flowering in pots in the greenhouse.
Cyclamen purpurascens 'Fatra Form'
Cyclamen purpurascens album
Cyclamen purpurascens babies sown in 2007
a very poor show compared with Thomas and it was too wet today to lie on the grass and photograph the one flower in the garden

Cyclamen intaminatum which has been flowering since the middle of June
The flowers open white with a green eye and turn pink later
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 28, 2010, 10:14:43 PM
A magnificent show Thomas and the scent must almost be overpowering. :P :D

Roma, that is a very good silver leaf in pic no 4
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: cohan on July 29, 2010, 03:01:49 AM
some really lovely forms of purpurascens!
i have several pots full of seedlings sown last fall indoors, put outside in a shady spot in early summer; still quite small with this often cool summer we've been having (a few warm days now, not sure if it will last)..
two questions--should i move the pots to more sun? final spots are likely to be dappled/part day sun, as i have more of that than anything else
--should i plant some into the ground this year (remember we could be having occasional frost in august, and regular frost in september, even if days may still be warm) or would i be better off to bring them back in over winter and either keep them growing under lights or resting on a cool window?-okay, that's three question  ;D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Ragged Robin on July 29, 2010, 08:12:32 AM
Thomas, it's wonderful to see so many Cyclamen purpurascens in groups and swathes in your rockery, what lovely varied Cyclamen they are and how they thrive in your setting.  Congratulations, your garden must smell divine  :D

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Ragged Robin on July 29, 2010, 08:24:39 AM
Some of my Cyclamen flowering in pots in the greenhouse.
Cyclamen purpurascens 'Fatra Form'
Cyclamen purpurascens album
Cyclamen purpurascens babies sown in 2007
a very poor show compared with Thomas and it was too wet today to lie on the grass and photograph the one flower in the garden

Cyclamen intaminatum which has been flowering since the middle of June
The flowers open white with a green eye and turn pink later

Roma, your potful of the flowers of C. purpurascens is so exquisite shown in your first photograph  :D

It's interesting to hear how long your Cyclamen intaminatum has been flowering, another real beauty - where does it grow naturally?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Thomas Huber on July 29, 2010, 08:28:02 AM
Thanks Angie, Lesley, Robin. I could try to catch the smell in a bottle and s(c)end to you  ;D

Roma, a beautiful white purpurascens you have - I'm still searching for a pure white plant,
allthough I'm also happy with my 'nearly' white ones.

Cohan, my plants did well in 35° and full sun for more than two weeks (Yes, Maggi - on top of the floodings)
only the flowers looked overburdened during the hottest time of the day. So why not placing your pots in more sun.

For the inside-or-outside question you have to consider, that your seedlings will grow faster inside
if kept frostfree (mine flowered 14 months after sowing inside!). The larger corms will do better
outside than the small ones, although there will always be some natural selection outside which will
kill the weaker plants. After some winters outside you can be sure that only the strongest plants
survive and the seeds of these plants will be well adapted to your hard climate.
Hope this helps. Perhaps the more expierienced Cyclamen growers here have some additions.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Ragged Robin on July 29, 2010, 09:29:07 AM
This is my first experience of growing Cyclamen seeds (kindly sent by Thomas) and all were sown on the same date in Early February Swiss Alps inside and kept in coolish low light conditions until germination.  Subsequently in early April they were put outside in morning sun afternoon dappled shade.  Now here in the UK in a sheltered situation they are living outside facing East receiving direct morning sun and afternoon shade. It is interesting to see how some are so much stronger and more forward than others whilst others are only just emerging. At all times the seedlings have been kept moist but well drained.

These seedings are a mix of C. Hederifolium  and C. Coum and although small there are some lovely leaf shapes and patterns showing (I think!) but I know little about what to look for except by natural instinct - any advice would be gratefully received  :)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Thomas Huber on July 29, 2010, 10:03:50 AM
Well done, Robin. The ones that already show leaf patterns should be C. hederifolium.
The smaller coums will probably show first patterns in their second year. You will
also find some silver leaf forms then.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Ragged Robin on July 29, 2010, 11:36:42 AM
Thanks Thomas  :D  I've really enjoyed watching them develop and guessing which is which...I hope one day to have a display in my garden in Switzerland - 'though it will never rival yours  ;D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on July 29, 2010, 11:52:05 AM
Robin they are lovely seedlings.

I would suggest separating them out. The hederifolium will be much stronger growing and swamp the coum.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Ragged Robin on July 29, 2010, 12:08:27 PM
Tony, thanks for your advice, I did wonder what to do next but wasn't sure and also ID escaped me  :-\  However I imagine you are suggesting I lift out the larger one to pot on?  I don't want to risk damaging them  ::)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on July 29, 2010, 08:42:17 PM
Robin

I have discussed with another forum member and we are having difficulty seeing any coum,they all look like hederifolium. You could lift the larger ones out and pot them on individually and this would leave room for the others to develop and also any dormant seed to germinate which it may do this autumn. Hederifolium can be a brute.They are fairly robust and usually move easily if watered in and shaded to give them a chance to move away.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on July 29, 2010, 08:54:49 PM
Robin

I have discussed with another forum member and we are having difficulty seeing any coum,they all look like hederifolium. You could lift the larger ones out and pot them on individually and this would leave room for the others to develop and also any dormant seed to germinate which it may do this autumn. Hederifolium can be a brute.They are fairly robust and usually move easily if watered in and shaded to give them a chance to move away.

 Looking at the pot.... and thinking of it as a clock face.... what about the little round leaves at two o'clock, seven o clock and nine o'clock? Might they not be C. coum?  :-\
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on July 29, 2010, 09:27:22 PM
[Good news from your seeds - are you interested to see the parents of your babies in my garden?
Lots of different leaf colours, silver leaves, good markings and flowers from darkest pink to bright rosy - I love this species :D:

Striking Thomas !!! Such a very good show !
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on July 29, 2010, 09:38:23 PM
Cohan, my plants did well in 35° and full sun for more than two weeks (Yes, Maggi - on top of the floodings)
only the flowers looked overburdened during the hottest time of the day. So why not placing your pots in more sun.

Same experience here in Belgium Thomas.They are growing in my sunny and hot tufa-crevicebed for 3 years now.
No shade during the day  , maybe just a little bit from a Daphne...My garden is well protected and the level of the garden lies 1m lower .So it is baking in the summer.Here we had also very high temperatures this summer.They still florishing and flower well.There is no harm on the leaves.  
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Martin Baxendale on July 29, 2010, 10:35:16 PM
Robin, I agree with Tony - the seedlings all look like hederifolium except perhaps for the one pointed out by Maggi at seven o'clock in the pot, and I'm not 100% sure about that, it could also be hederifolium. I'd also agree with Tony that it might be best to get all the seedlings out and planted up elsewhere, in case the coum seeds germinate later in the year and are swamped by the existing hederifoliums - you should be able to genrly prick them out with a blunt knife so as to distrub the seed compost as little as possible.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Martin Baxendale on July 29, 2010, 10:38:04 PM
Thomas, I'm amazed at how well your purpurascens are doing in such a  hot, sunny and dry situation. I've always tried purpurascens in semi-shade as generally recommended, and they've never flowered well for me. I think I'll get some fresh plants and seed and give the hot, sunny treatment a go.  8)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Ragged Robin on July 29, 2010, 10:52:51 PM
Thanks for all the advice given, Tony, Maggi and Martin - I too thought that maybe there was a C coum or two (especially after Lesley said their leaves although plain green were very glossy and attractive and I thought of those at 7 and 9 o'clock in my pot!)  Anyway I will take a small blunt knife and try to lift the large ones out without disturbing the throng!  BTW seeing the tiny tubers swelling is a real treat  :D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: dominique on July 30, 2010, 07:35:45 AM
Thomas
Fantastic view of these Cyclamen ! Than k you
Dom
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Thomas Huber on July 30, 2010, 08:56:03 AM
Seems like a have a very vigorous form in my garden. I hope to get a lot of seed from this see of flowers next summer.
If anybody is interested to get some seeds from my plants you may contact me next summer.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: fleurbleue on July 30, 2010, 12:27:17 PM
I'll keep your offer in mind Thomas for next year  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Thomas Huber on July 30, 2010, 09:09:59 PM
Lyon - hmmm, if my travel plans for next year don't change I can bring them to you  ;D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: fleurbleue on July 30, 2010, 10:20:25 PM
Why not !  ;D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: cohan on July 31, 2010, 03:32:30 AM
thomas and kris, thanks for the ideas..
i will move them to a sunnier spot, and probably bring in most at least for this winter (i also have one pot that i never took out); those that i winter indoors, (they will be 1 year old in fall, apart from late germinators), should i water all winter, or give them a rest midwinter?
 full hot sun spots are in very short supply here in the forest, so they may eventually get a somewhat sunny spot, but probably not all day sun--that only exists in front of the house, where i expect to build the beds for cacti and succulents  ;D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Melvyn Jope on July 31, 2010, 01:35:05 PM
Very impressed with the fine plants of Cyclamen purpurascens shown recently, its virtually impossible to grow them outside in my garden, I think its far too dry, I just wish I could grow them as well as Thomas, his display reminded me of those we saw at Riva del Garda last year.
What we can grow very successfully here is Cyclamen hederifolium and I now have surplus fresh seed from mixed selected leaf forms. If any of you would like some to try please send me a pm.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Oron Peri on July 31, 2010, 05:15:37 PM
Thomas
i can just echo every one...really superb!!!
In my experience this species can tolerate some real high temperatures for even long periods, it grows  in pots outside in the garden down here, doing OK. not as yours offcourse..... ;)
I just never let them getting dry.
 
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on August 02, 2010, 12:06:53 AM
Thomas very nice. I think I collected maybe 40 seeds from my 5 plants, guess it will give me a start to a sea of purpurascens flowers. Thomas just curious are your coum leafing out? My coum are and I think I'm going to be amazed come spring with lots of flowers.

Starting to see some flowers in my dark purple hederifolium bed. Will be interesting to see if any very dark ones show, crossing fingers.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 04, 2010, 12:14:24 PM
Robin, only some coums are dark green and glossy. Others have quite a matte surface and of course there are all the super patterned ones. Glossy, in fact may be quite scarce. I have only the one like that among very many
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Ragged Robin on August 04, 2010, 02:59:33 PM
Thanks Lesley, looking out for any eventuality (it's amazing what germinates if you leave a pot after potting on seedlings) meanwhile it's great to watch the patterns form on the C. hederifolium  :D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on August 07, 2010, 06:18:06 PM
Few more flowers open.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gerdk on August 07, 2010, 06:22:13 PM
Guff,
It seems there is a dark one in your bed - please compare with my plant from the same origin (I guess).

Gerd
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: annew on August 09, 2010, 05:02:31 PM
A super colour, Gerd! What percentage of the seedling are dark? I have C. hederifolium Ruby Glow but only about 1% of the seedlings come true.  :'(
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on August 09, 2010, 06:41:23 PM
Gerd nice.

Mine do vary, this one looks good.

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gerdk on August 09, 2010, 08:20:37 PM
A super colour, Gerd! What percentage of the seedling are dark? I have C. hederifolium Ruby Glow but only about 1% of the seedlings come true.  :'(

Sorry Anne, this is my sole plant and I didn't sow collected seeds caused by lack of time (because of house and garden moving).
If you are interested, Jan Bravenboer (Green Ice Nursery) sells this colour form - only plants listed, no seeds! Perhaps he knows the percentage of dark seedlings.

Gerd nice.
Mine do vary, this one looks good.

Yours is nice too, congratulations!
Gerd
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on August 09, 2010, 10:23:46 PM
Gerd thanks. Was hoping some very dark ones survived.

Jan has seed listed under C. hederifolium from extreme dark purple flowering stock plants, 15 seeds per packet.

Just to compare I picked a really good dark pink and a white. Most of my pinks are alot lighter.

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 09, 2010, 11:40:24 PM
A super colour, Gerd! What percentage of the seedling are dark? I have C. hederifolium Ruby Glow but only about 1% of the seedlings come true.  :'(

Oh darn! If that's so, none of my half dozen seedlings from RG is likely to be dark. :'(
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: annew on August 10, 2010, 09:55:28 AM
Sorry, Lesley, was the seed from me? Hope you're lucky. :-\
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 10, 2010, 09:28:54 PM
No Anne, this was from an english nursery about 18 months ago. Your coums are doing nicely though. Should get a few flowers this season.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on August 11, 2010, 09:46:51 PM
Dark purple Hederifolium, this picture you can see how much they vary.

My hederifolium bed is starting to come alive, the ones with leaves are purpurascens
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on August 11, 2010, 10:47:57 PM
your cyclamen beds are so pretty, Guff..... I do like the different species and colours in the mix...they are going from strength to strength .
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on August 12, 2010, 12:00:45 AM
Maggi thanks.

I did some work on my coum bed also. I dug up all the trout lilies(might have missed some) and replaced them with crocus. I also added more crocus around the coum plants. I can't wait to see how it does. I will post pictures in another month or so, I think it will be all leaved out by then.

Ran down to my coum bed and took two quick pictures
1-2 coum
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Ragged Robin on August 12, 2010, 09:03:47 AM
Such lovely leaves and flowers and so healthy looking, Guff, no wonder you are pleased with their progress - looking forward to seeing them develop as an inspiration to growing an area of Cyclamen just started on my alpine slope, in pine duff, after seeing your Cyclamen beds :)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on August 12, 2010, 08:58:38 PM
Thanks Robin, good luck with your bed.
1-coum
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on August 13, 2010, 11:11:53 PM
1-2 Dark purple hederifolium
3-4 Hederifolium bed
5-6 Purpurascens in my hederifolium bed
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on August 20, 2010, 08:47:44 PM
A dark flowering hederifolium in our rockgarden.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Diane Clement on August 20, 2010, 09:33:29 PM
Suddenly, the garden is full of these.  Usually the white are first out, but not this year.

Cyclamen hederifolium
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on August 20, 2010, 09:47:02 PM
Suddenly, the garden is full of these.  Usually the white are first out, but not this year.
Cyclamen hederifolium

Same experience Diane.The white are always first out in our garden.But the dark ones are also a bit earlier then the common ones.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on August 24, 2010, 05:11:35 PM
Hederifolium bed
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Thomas Huber on August 25, 2010, 12:44:21 PM
WOW, Guff - the hederifoliums obviously feel very well in your garden  :o
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on August 25, 2010, 08:59:39 PM
This one I keep inside .Cyclamen hederifolium 'Stargazer' .It is flowering now.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 26, 2010, 02:28:01 AM
This one I keep inside .Cyclamen hederifolium 'Stargazer' .It is flowering now.
But, Kris, if you keep it inside it will only be a ceiling-gazer! ;D
Do its seedlings display the same trait?
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on August 26, 2010, 10:05:28 PM
This one I keep inside .Cyclamen hederifolium 'Stargazer' .It is flowering now.
But, Kris, if you keep it inside it will only be a ceiling-gazer! ;D
Do its seedlings display the same trait?
cheers
fermi

 ???Oh , I mean inside my greenhouse Fermi .Previous year I had some seeds but I did not harvest the seeds  :(
But I  think the chance that you get the real Stargazer again is not big....
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on August 28, 2010, 02:54:27 AM
Thomas thanks.

1-5 Hederifolium Bed
6-9 Dark Purple Hederifolium Bed
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gerdk on August 28, 2010, 12:43:05 PM
Thomas thanks.
1-5 Hederifolium Bed
6-9 Dark Purple Hederifolium Bed


G R E A T !

Gerd
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: KentGardener on August 29, 2010, 05:58:36 AM
Just been doing some internet searches and found this rather unusual way of growing Cyclamen.   :-\

http://www.bihrmann.com/caudiciforms/subs/cyc-hed-sub.asp

I've always kept the corm out of sight.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: shelagh on August 29, 2010, 02:20:23 PM
Interesting link John, mind you perhaps they couldn't find a pot large enough it looks a monster.  The leaflet that came from a southern English nursery which specialised in Cyclamen told you which ones needed to be buried and which ones should be half and half. Very useful for people like me who forget all advice given them regarding plants within a few moments unless it is written down.  Then ofcourse I can't remember where I put the information.  Ah well such is life for the increasingly memorably challenged. ::)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on August 29, 2010, 03:47:19 PM
That exposed position wouldn't work for those types which root from the top of the corm/tuber would it?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: annew on August 29, 2010, 06:45:06 PM
Which includes hederifolium doesn't it?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on August 29, 2010, 06:53:36 PM
Which includes hederifolium doesn't it?

 That's what I was thinking.... but the giant in the link doesn't have any and not all of ours do.... :-\   I think I need Roma to help out.....

Poor  Roma, by the way, is struggling somewhat with a broken leg.... she was knocked over by a spooked pony at a Summer show a few weeks ago as she was innocently chating with some friends....so She is not able to spend too much time at the computer right now because it is too uncomfortable for her... but she may see this......
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Roma on August 29, 2010, 07:47:44 PM
Just spotted my name mentioned here.  I was going to post in the Moan, moan moan thread but Maggi has explained why I haven't been posting lately.  I usually have Cyclamen hederifolium completely covered.  Some which have been in the ground a long time or not repotted for a while do get their tops exposed but I do like to keep the sides covered.  It's so long since I repotted mature tubers I don't remember if they still have roots all over.
I was going to repot as many as possible this month.  I have overcrowded seedlings needing potting up.  I haven't repotted any bulbs.  One of my daughters is doing the watering for me while the other looks after the ponies.  My greenhouse is packed full with all sorts of plants needing different watering and some dormant plants need to be put under the bench while cyclamen starting to flower need to be brought out and watered.  I did have look in the greenhouse on Friday, but that is the only time I have been out since I got home two weeks ago.  I am non weight bearing on my right leg so getting around on one leg with a zimmer frame restricts my movement a bit and I still get uncomfortable sitting on a chair for a while so have to go and put my feet up.  I am managing to look at the forum and keep up with most threads.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on August 29, 2010, 08:10:27 PM
Good to hear from you Roma and I hope you are soon restored to full mobility.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 29, 2010, 10:08:25 PM
Roma, what a terrible thing to happen. I hope the recovery proceeds well and you are back to full mobilty as soon as possible.

I find the bigger, older tubers of C. hederifolium do make roots all over rather than just on top so I suppose if the tuber were sat on top as in the link images, only where it was covered and received moisture, would it make roots. It obviously has worked well but I don't think it's pretty and for the sake of saving pot size, I'd rather have the tuber fully covered.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lvandelft on August 29, 2010, 11:11:38 PM
I presume the pony got the "red card"  ::)
Wish you a good and soon recovery Roma!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Diane Clement on August 29, 2010, 11:42:43 PM
I find the bigger, older tubers of C. hederifolium do make roots all over rather than just on top so I suppose if the tuber were sat on top as in the plink images, only where it was covered and received moisture, would it make roots.

Hope you're soon better, Roma.
The younger tubers of hederifolium also tend to have roots on the top and sides, but often nothing at the base.  
I think the clue here is the treatment of C hederifolium as if it were a caudiciform (http://davesgarden.com/guides/articles/view/266/) which I don't think it technically is, and growing it that way (as a caudiciform) and surprisingly it is doing well, although it looks strange.  There is something odd about the growth of the tuber, and I wonder whether the tuber has two sections, with the bit above ground as a floral trunk joined to another section of tuber below ground with roots


Root distribution on normally grown C hederifolium
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 30, 2010, 02:36:43 AM
Mmmmmm just about naked as a baby's bottom. ::)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Ragged Robin on August 30, 2010, 09:08:36 AM
Roma, do hope you are more mobile soon and not so restricted by pain - so frustrating when you feel you should be doing something.  My brother had a young highland cow that escaped at a show and butted the judge - no prizes what he said  :o
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: KentGardener on September 01, 2010, 11:24:03 AM
My hederifolium are starting to flower - this one was looking particularly nice this morning.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: fleurbleue on September 01, 2010, 12:18:09 PM
VERY  nice John !  :D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on September 01, 2010, 12:27:53 PM
Very nice John. Wonder where mine have gone! ???
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 01, 2010, 02:44:56 PM
Quote
My hederifolium are starting to flower - this one was looking particularly nice this morning.

I love the white ones, John, and yours are exceptionally nice  :D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: WimB on September 01, 2010, 03:56:29 PM
Sown in December 2009 and now flowering already  :D :D

Cyclamen intaminatum
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: angie on September 02, 2010, 01:49:34 PM

My hederifolium are starting to flower - this one was looking particularly nice this morning.



I would agree with you John your Hederifolium is stunning, I do love white flowers.

Roma sorry you can't join us on Saturday  :-[ but we will be thinking of you and hopefully someone will have pictures to post on the forum, looks if it's going to be a dry day.

Angie :)
 
 
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on September 02, 2010, 09:01:36 PM
I would agree with you John your Hederifolium is stunning, I do love white flowers.

I love the white ones in shade but the darker forms in sunnier spots Angie.
In the meantime the highlight of the season is coming for my Cyclamen hederifolium.
This darker flowering form is an example.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: annew on September 03, 2010, 12:48:14 PM
Beautiful, Chris.
I have a C hederifolium or two which have self-sown into odd spots where the tuber has remained fully exposed, with no roots apparent on the upper surface. It is probably a kind of air-pruning of the roots.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Hans A. on September 03, 2010, 05:53:47 PM
A friend of mine grew all his cyclamen he grew in pots with the corms on the top of the soil (africanum,alpinum, balearicum,cilicicum, coum, creticum, cyprium, graecum, intaminatum, libanoticum,mirabile, parviflorum, persicum,pseudibericum, repandum, rhodense and rohlfsianum). It worked very well, corms were easy to check and plants stayed more compact (much better for an overcrowded greenhouse);)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on September 05, 2010, 11:10:56 AM
Cyclamen mirable are starting to flower. Three different shades.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on September 05, 2010, 11:29:15 AM
Cyclamen mirabile are starting to flower. Three different shades.

 Ian's favourites! How sweet are these little flowers with their miniature perfection ?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Oron Peri on September 05, 2010, 11:48:10 AM
Cyclamen mirable are starting to flower. Three different shades.

Tony, super plants as always.

Kris, do you Know the origin of your plant, it looks to me more C. confusum rather than hederifolium by the form of the flower.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on September 05, 2010, 10:46:53 PM
The C. mirabile are very lovely, especially with those delicately serrated edges and such delightful colour.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Hans A. on September 06, 2010, 10:52:25 AM
Tony ,your C. mirabile are stunnig!

Here autumn has started, first C. graecum are in flower.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Melvyn Jope on September 06, 2010, 03:56:36 PM
Autumn is well under way here too and the lovely Cyclamen rohlfsianum forma album is now in flower.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Roma on September 06, 2010, 05:30:56 PM
Sorry to be so long in getting back to you.  Thanks to all who sent me good wishes for my recovery.  I'm still hopping around on one leg with the Zimmer and have not been outside much.  Husband's not keen on me going out and daughter who has been watering the plants has been in a bit of a hurry or feeling tired recently.  I am longing to get into the greenhouse to point out which Cyclamen and other bulbs need to be watered now and put on the bench and what can be placed below. I am looking enviously at the postings here and wish I could see my own plants better.  Lovely to see the white C. rohlfsianum, Melvyn.  My (normal coloured ) plants are upstairs in the house so out of bounds at the moment.

An update on the Cyclamen africanum which smashed its pot earlier.  I tried it in two sizes of pot and decided to use the larger so it would not need moved for a few years.  
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on September 06, 2010, 09:49:32 PM

Kris, do you Know the origin of your plant, it looks to me more C. confusum rather than hederifolium by the form of the flower.

Thank you Oron .
From a Dutch nursery Oron .There been hundreds of flowering at that moment.  I picked this one out for the color of the flowers.I must look at the leaves ,maybe the leaves could tell us more later on .I have some confusum but keep them in pots.       
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Hans A. on September 07, 2010, 02:53:32 PM
Cyclamen rohlfsianum forma album is now in flower.

Breathtaking!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on September 07, 2010, 06:01:05 PM
Cyclamen cilicium also start to flower here.Only a few leaves ,only a few flowers but a lot to come .
First picture was not taken in Turkey but in our rockgarden and  it shows how I cultivated cilicium in our rockgarden.
 
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Mark Griffiths on September 08, 2010, 07:00:44 PM
Tony, those mirabile are lovely. I keep finding that they wilt as the flower buds start to rise, the leaves also. Too much water? Not enough? Too much wet/dry alternations?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johngennard on September 08, 2010, 08:44:16 PM
here are some pictures of hederfolium growing beneath shrubs..I started the naturalisation process some 30years ago by scattering seed any where that nothing else would grow,apart from snowdrops of course and this same area is populated with galanthus nivalis f.p.in the same numbers.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johngennard on September 08, 2010, 08:56:30 PM
This second batch are now growing in open conditions since I removed the established shrubs so that I could grow more  interesting subjects and I had't the the heart to move the cyclamen so I am working around them with some difficulty.They have been trodden on and spaded but nothing seems to deter them.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on September 08, 2010, 09:02:35 PM
John, I am very nearly speechless with envy..... what a breathtaking display! 8)
Hard to imagine anything prettier than these cyclamen.

 Is the Hepatica in the last photo ( labelled primula007) flowering NOW?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on September 08, 2010, 09:12:33 PM
My word, John !
It's not very often that you post here, but when you do...... :o :o :o :o
I guess you don't want to discourage us mere mortals.... ::) ;) ;)
Another truly stunning display !
Thanks for showing !  :D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johngennard on September 08, 2010, 09:48:41 PM
John, I am very nearly speechless with envy..... what a breathtaking display! 8)
Hard to imagine anything prettier than these cyclamen.

 Is the Hepatica in the last photo ( labelled primula007) flowering NOW?


Sorry Maggie,I don't know how that crept in.Can you delete it for me?


edit by maggi: John it is so lovely I haven't the heart to remove it!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on September 08, 2010, 09:55:27 PM
Don't delete the Hepatica Maggi, it's a real beauty, even if out of season. :D

Whatever you show us John, at whatever time of year, is just FANTASTIC. These Cyclamen are way beyond magnificent.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johngennard on September 08, 2010, 10:49:22 PM
Thank you all.I am overwhelmed.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: KentGardener on September 09, 2010, 04:53:19 AM
John - 30 years in the planning have paid off big time.  Absolutely stunning!   8)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: angie on September 09, 2010, 08:22:04 AM
John what a fantastic display, thanks for sharing this with us. I just love their dainty flowers. I have only started growing cyclamen since I joined the rock garden club, which has only been a few years but I can't wait till I get a clump like yours. 30 years to wait... I will be 84 then so it will need to be a huge clump that I will be able to see my plant  ::)
Love the Hepatica.

Angie :)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on September 09, 2010, 08:15:12 PM
Just trying to catch up a bit before jetting off to Spain on Saturday for a week, so a few Cyclamen from the greenhouse.

The first two are a plant I first posted last year grown from seed from the SRGC Seed Ex., labeled as Cyclamen africanum, which were sown on 19 February 2007. The general feeling last year was that they were Cyclamen hederifolium.

The third is another plant from the same batch of seed and flowering this year for the first time.

The fourth and fifth-C. hederifolium I bought at the Wisley Plant Centre in 2008 as Silver Leaf Form, can't wait for the leaves to appear.

Sixth and seventh-Cyclamen intaminatum.

And the last couple are of newly emerged leaves from Cyclamen mirabile 'Tilebarn Nicholas' no flowers as yet.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on September 09, 2010, 08:34:20 PM
John a wonderful display and a delight to see.

David a nice group of plants I like the intaminatum it is very delicate.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on September 09, 2010, 08:44:59 PM
three Cyclamen cilcicum and two Cyclamen mirable starting to flower now
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on September 09, 2010, 09:39:33 PM
Very very nice John ,Tony and David . :D
Here a lot of Cyclamen flower or start to flower.
Here a young specimen of Cyclamen graecum subsp. candicum ,Cyclamen purpurascens ( leaves and flowers ), Cyclamen hederifolium 'Stargazer'
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on September 09, 2010, 10:13:35 PM
Kris, when I see your Star Gazer flowers I cannot help but think of an ancient English  "delicacy" : Stargazey Pie  ;D

This is a type of Cornish pie said to date from Tudor times -  Stargazey Pie was traditionally  made from seven different types of fish with boiled eggs and layer of mashed potato underneath the crust of pastry from which fish head and tails protrude – giving the pie its name as the fish 'gaze' at the sky. :o

 see here for a more modern recipe..... no flowerss needed.... http://www.greatbritishkitchen.co.uk/recipebook/index.php?option=com_rapidrecipe&page=viewrecipe&recipe_id=1015

 This picture is not of a real pie... it is a polymer clay miniature , see here : http://www.kivasminiatures.com/

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Mark Griffiths on September 09, 2010, 11:01:43 PM
Nice C.intaminatum, David. I don't think I've seen one with such long petals before.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Brian Ellis on September 09, 2010, 11:07:27 PM
I'm glad you said that Mark, I took a photo of mine today it has much shorter petals, and doesn't twist in that attractive way.  Will that come with age?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on September 10, 2010, 09:33:44 AM
Just checked back on the petals on last year's pic and they were the same.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Brian Ellis on September 10, 2010, 10:02:53 AM
Mine is but a poor specimen then David, just coming into flower, but one was knocked off ::) There are more buds to come so perhaps it will look better then :)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Mark Griffiths on September 10, 2010, 11:20:11 AM
Brian, yours is the same shape as most of the ones I have seen, I think David's is exceptional. I'll try and remember to put some pics of mine up - I have the white/ plain leaved form in a trough and after a decade or so it looks quite nice.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Brian Ellis on September 10, 2010, 12:26:51 PM
... after a decade or so it looks quite nice.

Thankfully I'm in no hurry ;D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gerry Webster on September 10, 2010, 12:56:17 PM
Just checked back on the petals on last year's pic and they were the same.
David - I wonder if your plant is a hybrid - with C. cilicium? See Grey-Wilson p71.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on September 10, 2010, 01:38:18 PM
Gerry, you could well be right. My plant has the greyish veins in the petals that seem to be typical intaminatum but the flower shape in general seems to be closer to cilicium. I have Grey-Wilson's updated edition (2002) and pages 90-96 cover both the species.

My plant was a raffle prize won in 2008 at one of our local group meetings.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on September 10, 2010, 04:05:12 PM
Cyclamen intaminatum is a little variable in the wild and I think many of the plants in cultivation have been raised from an old introduction. Certainly mine has small white flowers with greyish lines and is not particularly exciting. Here are two in the wild with both twisted petals and pink lines. Both nibbled I am afraid.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Pauli on September 10, 2010, 04:09:08 PM
Hello,

here pictures of my rohlfseanums.
They are not difficult to grow here as long as they get a summer baking and no frost.

Hope that stargazer comes up again next year!


All the best from Austria

Herbert
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on September 10, 2010, 09:13:22 PM
Kris, when I see your Star Gazer flowers I cannot help but think of an ancient English  "delicacy" : Stargazey Pie  ;D
This is a type of Cornish pie said to date from Tudor times -  Stargazey Pie was traditionally  made from seven different types of fish with boiled eggs and layer of mashed potato underneath the crust of pastry from which fish head and tails protrude – giving the pie its name as the fish 'gaze' at the sky. :o
 see here for a more modern recipe..... no flowerss needed.... http://www.greatbritishkitchen.co.uk/recipebook/index.php?option=com_rapidrecipe&page=viewrecipe&recipe_id=1015
 This picture is not of a real pie... it is a polymer clay miniature , see here : http://www.kivasminiatures.com/

Oh yes ,I can clearly see the resemblance Maggi . (Or I am stil that hungry that I see food in anything.... )
You say "ancient" ,so I can't eat this pie anymore ? But any how ,it is an artful pie...

Interesting to know ,we stil learning every day on this forum.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: fermi de Sousa on September 13, 2010, 03:10:37 AM
I was at Otto's place on Saturday and he showed me this patch of Cyclamen libanoticum
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cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on September 13, 2010, 06:00:43 AM
That is outstanding Fermi, what a wonderful patch. It will still be in flower for ME! :D 8)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Mark Griffiths on September 14, 2010, 07:31:46 PM
Thanks for sharing the pic of the libanoticum in a garden.

a couple from me,

c.mirabile "Jan"
c. rohlfsianum grown from seed.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Mark Griffiths on September 16, 2010, 05:34:42 PM
btw, this is what i meant about C.intaminatum - this was orginally a panful of seedlings put out about 15 years ago..they are now seeding into the trough

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: annew on September 16, 2010, 09:45:09 PM
Wow, Mark, I've never seen such a display of intaminatum!
I do have a nice group of C. purpurascens'Limone Group' in the shade house, somewhat nibbled by slugs.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Brian Ellis on September 16, 2010, 10:38:01 PM
btw, this is what i meant about C.intaminatum

I look forward to my display in 2025 Mark ;)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Mark Griffiths on September 16, 2010, 11:00:55 PM
Anne, lovely purpurascens, I've never got them to flower much. The best ones I had I had collected (back in the 70s) and grew largely in limestone grit on the bench in full sun in a small hot greenhouse.

Brian, you probably won't have to wait so long - I have been very mean to them over the years.  ;D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on September 17, 2010, 12:18:24 PM


.......... you probably won't have to wait so long - I have been very mean to them over the years.  ;D

 Unfeeling brute!  You should be ashamed of yourself..... on the other hand, they don't look too bothered!   ;)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 17, 2010, 12:30:36 PM
Lovely Cyclamen from everyone...

Mark your C.intaminatum in and trough look fantastic!

Anne your C purpurascens are gorgeous with ferns close by - great companions but do the slugs hide in the fronds?  :o  I was thinking of trying a similar planting.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Mark Griffiths on September 17, 2010, 12:35:35 PM
Actually if you are really mean to intaminatum they can come up pink.  ;D

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gerdk on September 17, 2010, 08:34:36 PM
It seems my dark form of Cyclamen hederifolium will not stop flowering
- the other Cyclamen is my first cyprium

Gerd
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: ashley on September 17, 2010, 08:37:25 PM
A fine deep shade Gerd.  And is that a young C. rohlfsianum beside it? 
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gerry Webster on September 18, 2010, 11:42:24 AM
Cyclamen graecum

0878 - A form with relatively large flowers from seed collected in the Peloponnese by the late Erna Frank. Last year this produced neither flowers nor leaves.

0879 - my favourite plant which flowers regularly every year.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gerdk on September 18, 2010, 02:14:29 PM
A fine deep shade Gerd.  And is that a young C. rohlfsianum beside it? 

Well spotted, Ashley - it is!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on September 18, 2010, 04:44:34 PM
John Gennard very nice. If I ever have enough compost, would like to do that with my lower woods.

Gerd very nice.

These flowers I picked up off the ground to compare.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on September 18, 2010, 05:34:39 PM
Hederifolium Bed
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on September 18, 2010, 09:59:25 PM
Cyclamen hederifolium 
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on September 19, 2010, 01:38:25 AM
Coum Bed, still a ways to go before it's all leaved out. Some bare spots, will replace what I lost next year. Need to pull the weeds again.

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: partisangardener on September 19, 2010, 10:56:23 AM
Very beautiful Cyclamen displayed here.  :D
This quite strange Cyclamen was found in the wild.
The flower was cut by an animal. It should be an hederifolium (Italy). Very short petals compaired to the others around.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Regelian on September 19, 2010, 11:07:02 AM
Guss,  let me just say, oooo-aaaahhhh.  The leaves of C. coum are simply a joy in their simple form and often complex patterns.

Alex,

das ist doch was anders!  ist das rot-violet wie im foto?  Hast du auch ein foto von den blätter?  Einfach toll.

(now that is different. is the red-violet as in the foto?  Do you have a shot of the leaves?  Simply great)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: partisangardener on September 19, 2010, 11:35:57 AM
This is the true colour. Surprisingly the camera took the colours right ;) usually not (red and violet is difficult). Maybe because of the tiles as background.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: partisangardener on September 19, 2010, 11:40:24 AM
The leafs are not yet fully grown, but look very much like hederifolium.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gerdk on September 19, 2010, 08:14:59 PM
Cyclamen hederifolium 

Arnold,
It seems this is not hederifolium - the 'ears' are lacking! Mabe it is purpurascens?

Gerd
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Diane Clement on September 19, 2010, 10:20:15 PM
For all the Cyclamen-aholics, I've just posted some pics of the Cyclamen Society Birmingham Autumn show in the Events thread:

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6036.0 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6036.0)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Mark Griffiths on September 20, 2010, 04:01:06 PM
Gerd, does your cyprium stay pink or just on opening?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: DaveM on September 20, 2010, 06:16:27 PM
Here's Cyclamen cilicium - grown from seed distribution some years ago under name of C cyprium, which it most certainly isn't. Afraid it's nowhere near as good as the beauty in Diane's pics from the Cyclamen Soc show.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on September 20, 2010, 07:20:32 PM
Very nice cilicium Dave.
Here in flower :
Cyclamen graecum
Cyclamen mirabile
and 2 pictures of a young cilicium in my rockgarden.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on September 20, 2010, 07:22:01 PM
....... and here's one of my Cyclamen cilicium that should improve nicely next year. Grown from SRGC Seed Ex. seed 1046/07 sown 29 August 2008.

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on September 20, 2010, 08:42:08 PM
From seed received from the SRGC Seed Ex (1041/07) labelled Cyclamen africanum I have three seed pots sown 1st September 2008. The leaves in two of the pots are very similar (see pic 1) but some of the leaves in one of the pots look very different (see pic 2 and close up pic 3). I would be most grateful if one of the experts could take a look and tell me please if I am likely to have africanum or do I have a mixture?

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Diane Clement on September 20, 2010, 08:59:10 PM
From seed received from the SRGC Seed Ex (1041/07) labelled Cyclamen africanum I have three seed pots sown 1st September 2008. The leaves in two of the pots are very similar (see pic 1) but some of the leaves in one of the pots look very different (see pic 2 and close up pic 3). I would be most grateful if one of the experts could take a look and tell me please if I am likely to have africanum or do I have a mixture?  

David, I would say the first picture is definitely C hederifolium.  The other two pictures show a mixture, in both there are clearly some C hederifolium (silvery leaves).  It is possible that there is some C africanum in the second picture (and maybe in the third), but not conclusive until the plants are a bit bigger, then the tuber is often the best way to tell them apart.  You've got quite a mix there.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on September 20, 2010, 09:09:37 PM
Thanks for that Diane. I'll read up in Grey-Wilson about tuber differences between the two.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Diane Clement on September 20, 2010, 09:19:06 PM
Thanks for that Diane. I'll read up in Grey-Wilson about tuber differences between the two.  

I can help with that.  I've shown these pixtures before somewhere, but can't find where, sorry, so just easier to repost.

C africanum has a distinctly concave top with roots coming mainly from the sides and base
C hederifolium has a rounded top with roots coming from the top as well as the base
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gerdk on September 21, 2010, 06:32:07 PM
Gerd, does your cyprium stay pink or just on opening?

Mark,
Compared with another cyprium it seems the plant shown is a little bit more pink than others and the colour doesn't change much. See pic of the same plant from today!

Gerd
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: ChrisB on September 21, 2010, 06:58:39 PM
Hi David,

Whatever they turn out to be, they look very healthy indeed.  Well done flowering in just two years from sowing too.  I keep my cyclamen seed in the cold frame, and I reckon the wind blows it about because I often get seedlings appearing in the sand they are all sitting on, so its entirely likely that they get blown also from seed pot to seed pot...
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on September 22, 2010, 09:47:39 PM
Thanks for that Diane. I'll read up in Grey-Wilson about tuber differences between the two.  

I can help with that.  I've shown these pixtures before somewhere, but can't find where, sorry, so just easier to repost.

C africanum has a distinctly concave top with roots coming mainly from the sides and base
C hederifolium has a rounded top with roots coming from the top as well as the base

Diane, many thanks for the pics.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on September 22, 2010, 09:48:54 PM
Hi David,

Whatever they turn out to be, they look very healthy indeed.  Well done flowering in just two years from sowing too.  I keep my cyclamen seed in the cold frame, and I reckon the wind blows it about because I often get seedlings appearing in the sand they are all sitting on, so its entirely likely that they get blown also from seed pot to seed pot...

Chris, they haven't flowered yet but I may get a flower or two next year.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Roma on September 23, 2010, 04:52:00 PM
Thanks for that Diane. I'll read up in Grey-Wilson about tuber differences between the two.
Chris Grey-Wilson says Cyclamen africanum can produce roots all over while hederifolium roots mainly from the top and sides with the base bare.  The tuber tends to be rounded while hederifolium is flattened.  I don't have a lot of experience with africanum but this is one I am currently growing.  It is the only one of my cyclamen which got repotted this year.  Oh well there's always next year.   
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Thomas Huber on September 24, 2010, 10:59:27 AM
After a shy flowering in 2009 my Cyclamen colchicum do much better this year.
Still flowering now and it seems like my two plants have devided into 6!!!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Mark Griffiths on September 24, 2010, 03:35:15 PM
very nice, I bet it smells great
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on September 24, 2010, 05:23:02 PM
Thomas very nice indeed,they do seem late,mine finished three weeks ago.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on September 24, 2010, 05:29:18 PM
Very nice Thomas.

Are Cyclamen prone to missing both leaves and flowers in some years? I have a couple of C. mirabile which have shown nothing this year, should I tip them out and have a look?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Diane Clement on September 24, 2010, 05:41:49 PM
Are Cyclamen prone to missing both leaves and flowers in some years? I have a couple of C. mirabile which have shown nothing this year, should I tip them out and have a look? 

No, don't disturb them, David, it's early days yet.  I have several pots of C mirabile and cilicium yet to show
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Thomas Huber on September 24, 2010, 05:47:52 PM
Hmmm Mark - I've never held my nose near the flowers :-\ Will do so if we ever get another warm day here.

Tony, mine were always earlier in the last 4 years, but as mentioned they had only a few flowers last year
and started very shy this summer before they 'exploded' in August. Let's wait how they do next year.
I'm hoping to get some seeds next summer - so far I had nothing, despite the load of flowers in the past  :-[
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on September 24, 2010, 06:45:21 PM
Are Cyclamen prone to missing both leaves and flowers in some years? I have a couple of C. mirabile which have shown nothing this year, should I tip them out and have a look? 

No, don't disturb them, David, it's early days yet.  I have several pots of C mirabile and cilicium yet to show

Thanks Diane, patience will be the watchword ;D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: tonyg on September 24, 2010, 07:31:10 PM
Are Cyclamen prone to missing both leaves and flowers in some years? I have a couple of C. mirabile which have shown nothing this year, should I tip them out and have a look?
Noting the repies you already have ( :)) I would tip the top dressing off and check you still have healthy tubers in the pot.  If they are shrivelled or fall out with the top dressing ....  :'(  but if firm and plump all should be well, replace with fresh top dressing and leave alone.  (If they are ko'd you can use the space for something new :D)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gerry Webster on September 24, 2010, 09:23:48 PM
Very nice Thomas.

Are Cyclamen prone to missing both leaves and flowers in some years? I have a couple of C. mirabile which have shown nothing this year, should I tip them out and have a look?

Yes - see my post 361 above. No - I'd leave them alone & see what happens next year.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on September 24, 2010, 11:10:03 PM
Hmmm Mark - I've never held my nose near the flowers :-\ Will do so if we ever get another warm day here.

Tony, mine were always earlier in the last 4 years, but as mentioned they had only a few flowers last year
and started very shy this summer before they 'exploded' in August. Let's wait how they do next year.
I'm hoping to get some seeds next summer - so far I had nothing, despite the load of flowers in the past  :-[

Thomas  I have never had seeds on mine but this year has been their best for flowering and I put them outside (they live in a frame) for insects to work on them. There are lots of coiled seed pods this year and so I am hopeful. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on September 25, 2010, 07:43:35 PM
Thanks TongG and Gerry. As I've said before in this thread I'm very much a beginner as far as Cyclamen are concerned and I don't think I have helped myself by mis-reading the piece on potting depths in Grey-Wilson. I thought he had advised potting all species about half way down the pot but I now see he said that some growers do plant in this way but he tends, for most species anyway, to plant towards the top of the pot and to cover the tubers with grit or sharp sand.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Thomas Huber on September 28, 2010, 04:44:21 PM
Thomas  I have never had seeds on mine but this year has been their best for flowering and I put them outside (they live in a frame) for insects to work on them. There are lots of coiled seed pods this year and so I am hopeful. Time will tell.

Sorry for the late reply, Tony. Mine had lots of coiled seed pods in the past but
in summer they all shriveled and disappeared without giving me any seed  >:(
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Hans A. on September 28, 2010, 09:15:44 PM
First Cyclamen started to bloom:
C. graecum anatolicum
C. graecum album
C. cilicicum
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gerdk on September 29, 2010, 09:28:59 AM
Maravilloso!

Gerd
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: fermi de Sousa on September 29, 2010, 10:03:17 AM
In our Shadehouse the Cyclamen persicum (from AGS Seedex as "ex Israel") are in full bloom.
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I'm tempted to plant them out as Oron has shown them growing (in his garden?)
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: angie on September 29, 2010, 09:29:54 PM
Hans and Fermi lovely Cyclamen  8)

Angie :)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Hans A. on September 29, 2010, 09:58:55 PM
Muchas gracias Gerd y Angie!

Wonderful Cyclamen Fermi, especially the leaves of the first C. persicum has very interesting leaves.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on September 29, 2010, 10:55:29 PM
Pulled the weeds, can't wait until spring.

Coum Bed
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: daveyp1970 on September 29, 2010, 11:43:27 PM
Guff 4 and 5 are really nice!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Hans A. on October 01, 2010, 06:32:54 PM
The african Cyclamen C. africanum and C. rohlfsianum have started to flower.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Roma on October 01, 2010, 07:59:31 PM
I've not been able to go upstairs since my accident so could not see my Cyclamen rohlfsianum in flower but my daughter who is watering the plants brought one down on Wednesday.  I grow them as house plants.
 Yesterday I managed to take a few pics in the greenhouse.
Cyclamen graecum from Cyclamen Society seed from plants collected on CS Expeditions 2003 & 2004.  Pity the best flowering one does not have very exciting leaves.
Cyclamen mirabile from SRGC seed.  Both were from the same packet labelled 'Tilebarn Nicholas'.
A deep pink form of Cyclamen hederifolium
Cyclamen africanum which I had to repot after it 'escaped'
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Mark Griffiths on October 01, 2010, 09:34:29 PM
The rohlfsianum is very impressive. How long have you had it? Hope you get better soon
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: angie on October 01, 2010, 10:06:02 PM
Lovely Roma, love the Cyclamen mirabile 8)

Angie :)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Roma on October 02, 2010, 04:49:01 PM
Mark, I grew the Cyclamen rohlfsianum from seed in 1982 or 83.  I have three plants. A fourth got eaten by vine weevils many years ago when I had it in the greenhouse for a few weeks.  They do well on a south facing windowsill but would make better show plants if they spent some time in the greenhouse when coming into flower.  The parent plants are still alive and well I hope at the Cruickshank Botanic Garden where they have been since they were collected in Libya in 1952.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 04, 2010, 07:19:28 PM
One of my biggest Cyclamenflowers in my hederifolium-collection.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Hans A. on October 04, 2010, 07:50:22 PM
Fantastic Cyclamen Roma, your C. rohlfsianum is fabolous!

Beautyful Cyclamen Kris, looks something similar C. africanum (form and shape of the flower, long stalks, flowers come all from the center of the corm...)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 04, 2010, 08:13:34 PM
Beautyful Cyclamen Kris, looks something similar C. africanum (form and shape of the flower, long stalks, flowers come all from the center of the corm...)

Hello Hans , this one is raised from seed .The seeds I collected on one of the Greek Islands.Must check the label but maybe it was Corfu.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Hans A. on October 04, 2010, 08:39:00 PM
Great result Kris! Another spectacular C.hederifolium shown in this forum - this species really surprises me with its variability!
Title: The hardiness of Cyclamen cyprium
Post by: Rodger Whitlock on October 04, 2010, 11:08:32 PM
Within a year or two of moving into my present house in 1988, I planted out a few seedlings of Cyclamen cyprium, choosing by chance a site that is well protected from cold winds; Cytisus battandieri and Clematis cirrhosa balearica have grown satisfactorily in the same site since about the same time, and for many years I had a flourishing specimen of Teucrium fruticans as well, but a serious cold snap some years ago put paid to that. On the other side of the entrance to the basement is a large specimen of Punica granatum 'Flore-pleno' which bears its glowing orange-vermilion flowers all summer long.

Unfortunately, the Cyclamen cyprium succumbed to another bad cold spell about ten years after I'd planted them.

Recently I've been hacking back the clematis: it is a thug and had formed a thick wig, in amongst the cytisus branches, which overhung other things and was shading them out. Today, ambling by after a session of pulling up scotch thistles and creeping buttercups, what to my wondering eyes should appear but a flower of Cyclamen cyprium! The original planting must have shed a few seeds and one seedling managed to survive all those years unnoticed.

The site is somewhat protected from rain by the wide eaves overhead, and tends to dryness thanks to perimeter drains around the foundation of the house; both of these are almost certainly factors in helping slightly tender plants survive in the chosen site.

Moral: those of you uncertain about the hardiness of Cyclamen cyprium in your garden, go ahead, and plant it out. You may be in for a pleasant surprise.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 05, 2010, 07:56:43 PM
Very interesting Rodger ! Must try it once ...
Here some of my leafforms in the hederifolium-section.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 05, 2010, 10:54:22 PM
Wow!
Some great forms there, Kris!
Nice to see.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: The hardiness of Cyclamen cyprium
Post by: Thomas Huber on October 06, 2010, 10:34:16 AM
Moral: those of you uncertain about the hardiness of Cyclamen cyprium in your garden, go ahead, and plant it out. You may be in for a pleasant surprise.

A right word, Roger - and I guess this is the case for nearly all bulbous plants.
If you plant 100 corms of whatever outside and only one survives, this one will be the start for a
new hardy stock - you just have to be brave enough to try it.


Kris a wonderful collection of hederifoliums you have  :o
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 06, 2010, 07:07:49 PM
Thank you Thomas and Fermi .
Another unusual thing : a variegated Cyclamen coum...
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Melvyn Jope on October 06, 2010, 07:08:49 PM
There seem to be quite a few dark forms of Cyclamen hederifolium becoming available now. I bought this plant at the discussion weekend, the flowers are a bit tatty after travelling a few hundred miles but I think it still has the potential to be a good plant in the future.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gerdk on October 06, 2010, 09:49:51 PM
There seem to be quite a few dark forms of Cyclamen hederifolium becoming available now. I bought this plant at the discussion weekend, the flowers are a bit tatty after travelling a few hundred miles but I think it still has the potential to be a good plant in the future.

Melvyn, There were a lot of these available here in Germany last weekend too - all from Dutch sellers - although the origin of these variants very likely was the UK.

Gerd
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Paul T on October 07, 2010, 10:59:18 AM
Kris,

I love the herifolium variants you have.  #13 and #19 in particular caught my eye.  Both extremely unusual!!  :o

Melvyn,

Congrats on that purchase.  Much darker than I've ever seen available here in Aus, but if they're becoming more readily available overseas then they should make it to Australia one of these years.

Thanks for sharing your treasures everyone.  8)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: goofy on October 07, 2010, 03:09:59 PM
hello, some recent Cyclamen pics from my collection.

C. persicum 'Silver leaf'
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20101007-155752-0.jpg)

C. persicum 'T.B. Karpathos'
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20101007-155751-20.jpg)

C. persicum (from ancient site Ugarit / Syria)
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20101007-162426-545.jpg)

C. hederifolium 'white'
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20101007-155752-490.jpg)

(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20101007-162042-883.jpg)

C. hederifolium 'White Cloud'
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20101007-155837-994.jpg)

C. hederifolium 'Arrowhead white'
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20101007-155837-41.jpg)

C. hederifolium 'Rose'
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20101007-155752-514.jpg)

C. hederifolium 'Purple' (comes true from seeds)
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20101007-161947-782.jpg)

C. purpurascens
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20101007-161947-513.jpg)

(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20101007-162718-363.jpg)

enjoy
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on October 07, 2010, 04:25:59 PM
Very nice indeed Dieter.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Diane Clement on October 07, 2010, 05:26:44 PM
hello, some recent Cyclamen pics from my collection.
  

Nice plants, Dieter.  Are the C persicum in flower now?
Can I also correct a common mistake, your picture labelled C. hederifolium 'Silver Cloud' is actually C. hederifolium White Cloud.  Silver Cloud has pink flowers, White Cloud has white flowers, both have silver leaves.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Roma on October 07, 2010, 05:37:14 PM
There seem to be quite a few dark forms of Cyclamen hederifolium becoming available now. I bought this plant at the discussion weekend, the flowers are a bit tatty after travelling a few hundred miles but I think it still has the potential to be a good plant in the future.
The dark Cyclamen hederifolium I posted in reply 406 was bought at the Discussion Weekend in 2007 from John Amand.  My darker flowered plants all seem to have stronger colour this year compared to last.
Sorry to have missed meeting you Melvyn.  I'm always keen to talk to other cyclamen enthusiasts.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 07, 2010, 06:55:20 PM
[Nice plants, Dieter.  Are the C persicum in flower now?

I have the same remarks/question as Diane.Nice plants but indeed are the persicums flowering at this moment Dieter?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 07, 2010, 07:08:36 PM
Thank you all for the nice comments on my hederifolium-collection.   
I also like the darker flowering hederifoliums Melvyn. This one is my darkest one... (pic 1 & 2 )
I agree with Roma ,we have good and strong colours this year.
I think we can say we have a good Cyclamen-year here...
Also a lot of flowers ,even on young plants.This Cyclamen graecum (from seedcollection in Lesbos)is only 4 years old in november of this year.  
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: goofy on October 08, 2010, 07:33:55 AM
hello, some recent Cyclamen pics from my collection.
   

Nice plants, Dieter.  Are the C persicum in flower now?
Can I also correct a common mistake, your picture labelled C. hederifolium 'Silver Cloud' is actually C. hederifolium White Cloud.  Silver Cloud has pink flowers, White Cloud has white flowers, both have silver leaves.

tks Diane for the hint, I have already corrected.
It was wrong named by error,
I also have the 'Silver Cloud' (about 40 plants),
but no "interesting" pic to show.   :(

The 'Karpathos' flowered all year long, very unusual as I find,
and has remaining 3 flowers now. The other clone is over.............
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: goofy on October 08, 2010, 01:07:41 PM
hello,
just a pic from MY C. rohlfsianum.
this flowers every year for me,
while another larger plant NEVER flowered under same condition the last 10 !! years :(

(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20101008-133740-372.jpg)

enjoy
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 10, 2010, 08:08:15 PM
Cyclamen cilicium in my rockgarden .
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Melvyn Jope on October 10, 2010, 08:45:51 PM
Very nice leaves on your Cyclamen cilicium Kris.
A couple of close ups of Cyclamen hederifolium from this afternoon, the first is one of the selected red forms from Corfu, the second is, love it or hate it, Stargazer.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 10, 2010, 08:51:31 PM
Very nice leaves on your Cyclamen cilicium Kris.
A couple of close ups of Cyclamen hederifolium from this afternoon, the first is one of the selected red forms from Corfu, the second is, love it or hate it, Stargazer.
Thanks Melvyn . What a very good flowering hederifolium ! I like the colour ,and your pictures are superb.
Yes Stargazer .......some like it some hate it .
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johnw on October 10, 2010, 11:27:38 PM
Potting up a Cyclamen hederifolium today one had perfectly formed whorls of undeveloped leaves on both ?top? and ?bottom?. Hard to decide which way to plant it.  I have seen shoots from the sides but never this.

johnw
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Alex on October 11, 2010, 12:22:50 AM
Cyclamen graecum album today.

Alex
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Ragged Robin on October 11, 2010, 09:26:59 AM
Melvyn, your C.Corfu red form is fabulous, a wonderful photo too  :)

Kris, lovely C.hederifoliums with wonderful leaf forms  :)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gerdk on October 11, 2010, 09:29:53 AM
Very nice leaves on your Cyclamen cilicium Kris.
A couple of close ups of Cyclamen hederifolium from this afternoon, the first is one of the selected red forms from Corfu, the second is, love it or hate it, Stargazer.

Melvyn, The selected form from Corfu has a nice color - are there different
(darker) tinted ones within the range of the selection?

On this occasion I add a pic of Cyclamen hederifolium confusum.

Gerd
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Melvyn Jope on October 11, 2010, 07:54:49 PM


Melvyn, The selected form from Corfu has a nice color - are there different
(darker) tinted ones within the range of the selection?

Gerd
[/quote]
Gerd I will try to post some more tomorrow so that you an see the variation.

Two more flower portraits,
Cyclamen confusum from Topolia Crete
and Cyclamen hederifolium CSE 08/009 from Zakinthos,

Both are very fragrant.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Roma on October 11, 2010, 09:15:05 PM
Cyclamen graecum grown from Cyclamen Society seed from plants collected on Cyclamen Society  expeditions.
I am delighted with these plants.  I have never done very  well before with Cyclamen graecum.  I do not think we get enough sun here but they seem to like my conditions.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Paul T on October 12, 2010, 12:13:50 AM
Very nice, All.  I love the dark hederifolium, and those last Graecums are superb! :o
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: goofy on October 12, 2010, 08:10:44 AM
hello,
C. hederifolium silver leaf on Sunday morning

cheers
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Paul T on October 12, 2010, 11:18:51 PM
Nice, long leaf form of silver.  8)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Mark Griffiths on October 16, 2010, 01:15:20 AM
a few from me,

C.cyprium, C.africanum and C.rohlfsianum

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Melvyn Jope on October 20, 2010, 07:50:44 PM
At the recent Cyclamen Society show at Wisley I was able to buy a couple of Cyclamen hederifolium with the darkest red flowers that I have seen this year.
In the garden the leaves of Cyclamen coum are looking nice and fresh before they get winter weather.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on October 20, 2010, 07:55:17 PM
At the recent Cyclamen Society show at Wisley I was able to buy a couple of Cyclamen hederifolium with the darkest red flowers that I have seen this year.
In the garden the leaves of Cyclamen coum are looking nice and fresh before they get winter weather.

 Oooh! VERY nice!!
 
I'm impressed by your quite UNCHEWED coum foliage on outdoor plants  ::) .... that wouldn't happen here  :'(
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lvandelft on October 20, 2010, 08:00:31 PM
Unbelievable color Melvyn  8)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Melvyn Jope on October 20, 2010, 08:20:05 PM


Thank you Luit, it was an unexpected pleasure to meet you at the discussion weekend.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 20, 2010, 08:20:39 PM
At the recent Cyclamen Society show at Wisley I was able to buy a couple of Cyclamen hederifolium with the darkest red flowers that I have seen this year.

Stunning ! What a good colour Melvyn  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 20, 2010, 08:31:49 PM
I'm impressed by your quite UNCHEWED coum foliage on outdoor plants  ::) .... that wouldn't happen here  :'(

I agree Maggi . It looks like signposts Melvyn installed in his garden and thus so insects, snails misled ....
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Paul T on October 21, 2010, 12:33:27 PM
I too must echo the compliments for that red hederifolium.  Fantastic colour.  Thanks for showing us.

Maggi,  I have unchewed coum leaves here, and that is at the end of the season.  The snails and slugs are eating everything else, but not the Cyclamen. ::)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on October 21, 2010, 12:45:28 PM
I'm not sure that it is slugs and snails which munch on our cyclamen leaves.... more those little fly thingies which chomp little holes.....the name utterly escapes me.... help, someone??!!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Paul T on October 21, 2010, 12:52:16 PM
Hmmmm... maybe we don't have those little fly thingies?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: goofy on October 21, 2010, 01:02:19 PM
I too must echo the compliments for that red hederifolium.  Fantastic colour.  Thanks for showing us.

Maggi,  I have unchewed coum leaves here, and that is at the end of the season.  The snails and slugs are eating everything else, but not the Cyclamen. ::)

I see,
australian slugs are 'Gourmets'   ;D

cheers

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: partisangardener on October 21, 2010, 06:41:24 PM
Could it be this beetle Otiorhynchus sulcatus which is the culprit
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on October 21, 2010, 09:30:04 PM
I know that creature only too well, Axel... the Vine Weevil  :P


 But that is not the one who makes the holes in my cyclamen leaves..... I still cannot remember the pest.... Roma... are you around? You would know what eats little holes in foliage.... is it a "flea beetle"?   :-\

 Now that I think about it, we have ascribed the damage to "flea beetles"... but what type of  flea beetle I don't know..... very little thing.... you seldom see them but they chomp the leaves and can make tiny holes through them.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: partisangardener on October 21, 2010, 09:55:56 PM
Some species of the Psylliodes. You get rid of them if you stick a sulphurmatch with its head in the ground.
Not good with vegetables, but I think you don't want to eat your Cyclamen.
Now I know  the English name of the Vine Weevil :D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on October 21, 2010, 10:19:18 PM
Yes, Axel, you are right I think... a Psylliodes  of some type... the larvae chew plants as well  >:(

I can tell you in German  what else we call those weevils and the flea beetles...
......verdammte Schädlinge  !
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lvandelft on October 21, 2010, 10:40:11 PM

......verdammte Schädlinge  !

That sounds rather crude for such a nice Lady  ;) :-*
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on October 21, 2010, 10:46:25 PM

......verdammte Schädlinge  !

That sounds rather crude for such a nice Lady  ;) :-*

 I know, and I apologise... but you know...these pests are a REAL nuisance !

 Would you think  lästige Käfer  or   hinderlijk wezens to be better?  ;)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lvandelft on October 21, 2010, 11:18:58 PM
I know, and I apologise... but you know...these pests are a REAL nuisance !

 Would you think  lästige Käfer  or   hinderlijk wezens to be better?  ;)
Maggi, I know all about diese Mistviecher and understand you very well  ;)
 lästige Käfer is also ok. But the Dutch translation sounds very much old-fashioned, typical googlish  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on October 22, 2010, 10:36:52 AM
Luit! Now I am shocked  :o ;)

You know my Dutch is really non-existant  :-[.... though I am getting better at reading the Flemish forum!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Oron Peri on October 22, 2010, 04:37:27 PM
Just caught up with the thread, Kris your cilicium in the rock garden is superb excellent leaf pattern, while Melvyn's hederifolium 'Corfu Red' should be shown at the National Gallery, if not the plant it self, at least the photo.It is just stunning!!

Here is C. graecum candicum in Crete, this colony has more pinkish color.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: mark smyth on October 22, 2010, 06:10:14 PM
Did you lift the rock off the Sternbergias?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: mark smyth on October 22, 2010, 06:22:54 PM
No holes in the leaves of my Cyclamen.

I thought flea beetles ate pollen but now I see they eat leaves also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flea_beetle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flea_beetle)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lvandelft on October 22, 2010, 06:30:49 PM

though I am getting better at reading the Flemish forum!
No wonder Maggi, we are always told that the Flemish learn and write better Dutch than we do ::) ::)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 23, 2010, 06:18:12 PM
though I am getting better at reading the Flemish forum!
No wonder Maggi, we are always told that the Flemish learn and write better Dutch than we do ::) ::)

Maggi  :  8) 8) 8) :D :D :D
Luit  :  8) 8) 8) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 23, 2010, 06:23:17 PM
Just caught up with the thread, Kris your cilicium in the rock garden is superb excellent leaf pattern, while Melvyn's hederifolium 'Corfu Red' should be shown at the National Gallery, if not the plant it self, at least the photo.It is just stunning!!
Here is C. graecum candicum in Crete, this colony has more pinkish color.
Thanks Oron.
Nice to see the graecum and Sternbergia sicula together Oron.I did'nt had the chance to see Sternbergia in Crete because we are always to early.
We hope to see it on some occasion...
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on October 23, 2010, 07:15:35 PM

though I am getting better at reading the Flemish forum!
No wonder Maggi, we are always told that the Flemish learn and write better Dutch than we do ::) ::)


I wasn't the one saying this Luit !!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on October 27, 2010, 02:09:12 PM
two Cyclamen intaminatum flowering for the first time. Both a nice pink colour
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 27, 2010, 06:58:01 PM
two Cyclamen intaminatum flowering for the first time. Both a nice pink colour

Nice and delicate at the same time Tony.Is this early or are they flowering just on time ?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on October 27, 2010, 07:27:25 PM
Kris they are on time.My white ones I have had for 20+ years are also in flower.

They are delicate and I am pleased with them. Hopefully looking forward to some seed next spring
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on October 27, 2010, 08:10:19 PM
Two exquisite little Cyclamen Tony !!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: goofy on October 29, 2010, 07:58:03 AM
really nice color and mottled leaves :)

I bought several "pink" plants years ago from a known nursery,
but all flowered "normal", only have same nice mottled leaves.

so the pink seem to come not always "true" :(
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Paul T on October 29, 2010, 10:02:46 AM
For those interested in Cyclamen, there is also a Cyclamen topic in the Irises section.  Not entirely sure why it is there, but it is!  ;D  Thought that the cyclamen lovers might like to know their favourite is being discussed elsewhere.  ;)

Enjoy.


 Edit by Maggi: it has now been moved!
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6171.0
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on October 29, 2010, 10:28:36 AM
For those interested in Cyclamen, there is also a Cyclamen topic in the Irises section.  Not entirely sure why it is there, but it is!  ;D  Thought that the cyclamen lovers might like to know their favourite is being discussed elsewhere.  ;)

Enjoy.

 Crikey! Is that true? I'll go find it and move it here!

 It is now in the Bulbs General Section, here:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6171.0
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: cycnich on October 29, 2010, 04:31:48 PM
really nice color and mottled leaves :)

I bought several "pink" plants years ago from a known nursery,
but all flowered "normal", only have same nice mottled leaves.

so the pink seem to come not always "true" :(

I think the pink in intaminatum flowers is very much temperature related and varies every year.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: mark smyth on October 29, 2010, 05:24:14 PM
For those interested in Cyclamen, there is also a Cyclamen topic in the Irises section.  Not entirely sure why it is there, but it is!  ;D  Thought that the cyclamen lovers might like to know their favourite is being discussed elsewhere.  ;)

Enjoy.

Sorry that was me
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Paul T on October 29, 2010, 11:23:48 PM
Not particularly a problem to me, Mark.  I just wanted to let people know there was another Cyclamen discussion going on.  8)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: goofy on October 30, 2010, 07:50:02 AM
really nice color and mottled leaves :)

I bought several "pink" plants years ago from a known nursery,
but all flowered "normal", only have same nice mottled leaves.

so the pink seem to come not always "true" :(

I think the pink in intaminatum flowers is very much temperature related and varies every year.

tks Pat for the explanation...............

dieter
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: cycnich on October 31, 2010, 11:16:01 AM
A few pictures of Cyclamen Hederifolium leaves in my garden today after rain, all mostly self sown.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Regelian on October 31, 2010, 12:45:11 PM
Pat,

you've a great collection going there.  I hope you post shots of the flowers as they come.

Jamie
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on October 31, 2010, 03:16:09 PM
really nice color and mottled leaves :)

I bought several "pink" plants years ago from a known nursery,
but all flowered "normal", only have same nice mottled leaves.

so the pink seem to come not always "true" :(

I think the pink in intaminatum flowers is very much temperature related and varies every year.


I certainly hope not. My others have remained constant since I got them years ago but they are the grey white form.

Seen several hundred C. graecum in the wild around Kas today
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on October 31, 2010, 04:18:01 PM
Quote
Seen several hundred C. graecum in the wild around Kas today

Oooohhhhhhh ! Sigh............ 8)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: fleurbleue on October 31, 2010, 04:33:00 PM
Silver Cyclamen foliages on your last picture are very amazing Pat   ;)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: partisangardener on October 31, 2010, 06:56:43 PM
Pat I admire your really beautiful cyclamen :D :D :D. When mine are covered with snow I will have a look at yours.
Wild Cyclamen were my first love. I took one home when I was seven (it was an Asarum 8) :-X) but they still surprise me today, more than 50 years since.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: cycnich on October 31, 2010, 07:19:06 PM
Pat I admire your really beautiful cyclamen :D :D :D. When mine are covered with snow I will have a look at yours.
Wild Cyclamen were my first love. I took one home when I was seven (it was an Asarum 8) :-X) but they still surprise me today, more than 50 years since.
Thank you, They give me so much pleasure for 9 months of the year and when they die down even the seed pods are attractive.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: YT on November 01, 2010, 11:00:23 AM
Hi, all. I spot an odd plant with peltate leaves in my 1 year-old C. coum seedlings. It has 3 leaves now and all of them are same shape. I’m not sure such happening is common or not in cyclamen, hoping this interesting character is stable.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: fleurbleue on November 01, 2010, 06:39:03 PM
Very nice pictures on your blog YT, amazing  double Ipomoea  nil  :D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Cris on November 01, 2010, 07:44:32 PM
Hello to all

I want to present here my first flower from seed of this beautiful Cyclamen hederifolium.

It's o little, but so nice!

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: YT on November 02, 2010, 03:10:55 AM
Nicole, merci :)

Cris, sowing seeds is absolutely delightful, isn't it?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Oron Peri on November 04, 2010, 11:49:32 AM
C. persicum varieta autumnale is starting to bloom,
about 3 week later than usual.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gerdk on November 04, 2010, 02:17:40 PM
C. persicum varieta autumnale is starting to bloom,
about 3 week later than usual.

... later, but what a beauty !

Gerd
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Roma on November 05, 2010, 12:37:50 PM
Lovely persicum, Oron.

I have a very early flower  Cyclamen coum albissimum 'George Bisson'
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: partisangardener on November 05, 2010, 07:30:03 PM
YT Never heard of such leafs with Cyclamen.  I too hope this is stable  :D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gail on November 05, 2010, 09:26:02 PM
We popped in to Anglesey Abbey last week and admired this bed of silver leaved C. hederifolium.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johnw on November 05, 2010, 10:36:33 PM
YT  - I had the same peltate leaves on a C. purpurascens last year. Unfortunately it wasn't stable.

This year I have been watching 2 flats of hederifolium, seed from a kind Forumist.  It is amazing the variety of first leaves produced.  I had two plants with Sassafras matching mitts, one shaped like a lyre and one shaped like a Sanguinaria.  Most lost these features with the second leaf.

It would be great to get one with a stable peltate leaf like a Nelumbo.

Roma - a spectacular George B.. From seed?

Gail - What a wonderful bed of silvers.

johnw  
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Paul T on November 06, 2010, 07:51:25 AM
Lovely pics, everyone.  Thanks.  Gorgeous bed of silver heds, and I love the coum ssp albissimum.... makes me want my albissimum seedlings to hurry up.  Seed courtesy of a generous German forumist a year or two ago.  Probably a good thing I can't speed everything up in it's growing from seed.  I already have problems with space, imagine how much more hassle I'd have if everything grew up to maturity from seed in 12 months.  :o :o  They say anticipation is good...... I'm not exactly sure about that. ::)

Thanks again for the pics. 8)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: YT on November 06, 2010, 12:59:28 PM
Axel, dank!

John, that's sounds interesting about peltate leaf C. purpurascens and hederifolium. I will keep my eyes on my Nelumbo leaf coum ;)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Roma on November 06, 2010, 05:55:47 PM
John, my C.coum alb. G. Bisson  was grown from Cyclamen society seed sown in January 2006.  According to the label 11 seeds were sown and in 2007 there were 3 tubers in the pot.  The flowers are more substantial and on stronger stems than 'Golan Heights' which I find rather floppy.  There's been at least one  green leaf in the pot most of the summer so maybe not being dried off has led to out of season flowering though I have not seen this happen with other forms of coum which may leaf early but do not open flowers till after the new year.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on November 13, 2010, 10:33:53 PM
Coum flower

1-2 same flower different angle.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Mark Griffiths on November 14, 2010, 06:34:01 PM
try again, my post just got eaten.

Can anyone give me a positive ID on this? Cam to me as C.hederifolium confusum Fotio Peleponnese. It wasn't included in the journal where they gave the ID by collection location
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Melvyn Jope on November 14, 2010, 09:11:15 PM
Mark, the plant that you have shown, formerly described as Cyclamen hederifolium var confusum, is now named Cyclamen hederifolium ssp crassifolium.  Field work by the Cyclamen Society and scientific work by Reading University has shown that Cyclamen confusum is a new species which comes from the area including Topolia, Sirikari and Polyrinnia in Crete.
Further studies are required to establish the full range and nature of the subspecies that you are growing.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Mark Griffiths on November 14, 2010, 10:44:00 PM
Melvyn, that is excellent news. I have another pot of C.confusum from one of the named locations so I've managed to get both that and crassifolium. Plus it seems a very nice plant.

Do you have any info on the hardiness of C. confusum and crassifolium? I have them out in a cold frame but perhaps I shoulkd move them into the greenhouse?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Melvyn Jope on November 15, 2010, 08:23:32 PM
Mark, I have Cyclamen confusum outside which survived a few days of -10 but it is up against a fence so a bit sheltered, it flowers and sets seed well. If you have enough to risk it I would certainly try it outside but would now leave it until warmer weather next year before you plant them. I would expect them to be fine in a cold frame. C.hederifolium ssp crassifolium is a bit more of an unknown quantity, I reckon most would be ok planted out but it depends on where they came from and your local conditions, sowing seed of this ssp outside first might be a safer bet, my inclination with a nice plant like the one in your photo would be to give it a bit more care.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Mark Griffiths on November 15, 2010, 09:36:46 PM
Thanks Melvyn. It was in the frame with the C.confusum and it was ok there last year (we are close to Benson which was the coldest place in England one night last year) - but I think I'll keep it in the grrenhouse now. Must go and move the confusum too.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: cycnich on November 22, 2010, 05:15:10 PM
Paid a visit to Tilebarn nursery in Kent on Saturday. A warm welcome from Peter and Elizabeth as usual and I came away with quite a few goodies not only cyclamen but a couple of nice galanthus as well. A few photos of the stock plants and plants for sale.

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on November 22, 2010, 05:50:39 PM
Pat great to see, it is a truly wonderful collection and as you say always a warm welcome.Pity it is 300 miles each way.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: cycnich on November 22, 2010, 06:05:12 PM
A long way for you Tony, a lot less for me but I don't go as often as I should. Peter is a gentleman and one of the nicest people you could ever wish to meet and I have been lucky to travel with him to Greece on 2 occasions and he is fantastic company. Sadly nothing is forever and I am not sure how much longer the nursery will be there, Peter is now 78 years old and has suffered health problems recently but is still as enthusiastic as ever, all I can say is to anybody reading this is if you get a chance to go there then make the effort you will always be made welcome.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: mark smyth on November 22, 2010, 06:36:45 PM
I saw this Cyclamen and grabbed it quick. It was labelled as C. hederifolium. It has a few leaves that look like hederifolium but is it?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: cycnich on November 22, 2010, 06:51:06 PM
Hederifolium yes I would say so but the leaves do look very fleshy so it could well be ssp crassifolium, but a nice leaf form whatever.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: mark smyth on November 22, 2010, 06:54:44 PM
thanks Pat. Yes the leaves are very thick.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: mark smyth on November 22, 2010, 06:55:50 PM
what's the plant in your photo DSCF0140.jpg ?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: cycnich on November 22, 2010, 07:06:20 PM
This is Cyclamen hederifolium 'Tilebarn Greville' there is a sister seedling Tilebarn Shirley which has identical leaves the difference is Greville has pink flowers and Shirley has white, both very nice plants that come more or less true from seed but still need careful selection and named by Peter Moore of course.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: mark smyth on November 22, 2010, 07:29:18 PM
It's a stunner
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: mark smyth on November 22, 2010, 07:49:53 PM
and Tilebarn is only 23 miles from Gatwick. I feel an urge building  :)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gerry Webster on November 22, 2010, 08:21:02 PM
Paid a visit to Tilebarn nursery in Kent on Saturday. A warm welcome from Peter and Elizabeth as usual and I came away with quite a few goodies not only cyclamen but a couple of nice galanthus as well. A few photos of the stock plants and plants for sale.
I don't drive much these days,  so it's quite a time since I last visited Tilebarn. It's good to see it looks as impressive as it ever did. Peter is one of the most skilled growers I have ever encountered - & not just of cyclamen -  he is also a lovely man as Pat notes.   
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on November 22, 2010, 08:51:45 PM
I hear the rumour that he's planning to stop ??  ??? :'( :'(
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gabriel B on December 04, 2010, 07:35:48 PM
I had an odd flower with 7 petals on my silver-leaved Cyclamen hederifolium. Two of the petals are slenderer than the others, looking like they were split from one petal. There are only three sepals, two of which look like they've been fused from two sepals each, so that the actual number of sepals is the normal 5.

The flower began to wilt rather than setting seed, so I pulled it from the plant. It had a short stem, thick near the base, that didn't raise it above the leaves.

1. silver leaved form (at top), along with other Cyclamen hederifolium leaf forms
2. 7 petals of flower, view from underneath
3. split petals, side view
4. 1 normal, 2 fused sepals, view from above
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on December 04, 2010, 08:22:11 PM
Greetings Erutuon, welcome to the Forum.

We find that Cyclamen of all sorts quite often have these deformities in the flowers but they seem random and not permanent mutations.
I always feel that cyclamen and plants like them, with very soft succulent growth, are more prone to such problems  than flowers of shrubby, woodier  plants.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on December 05, 2010, 01:40:28 PM
A testing time for some Cyclamen mirabile seedlings. The snow on top of the frozen pot has melted,the leaves floated to the top and the water refrozen as a thick layer of ice. At least they will not suffer from drought as they thaw.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gerdk on December 05, 2010, 04:16:45 PM
new species -
Cyclamen nymphaeoides?   ;)

Gerd
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Hans J on December 05, 2010, 04:37:39 PM
Gerd - I dont agree with you !

I think this is more Cyclamen natans  ;D

Hans
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Paul T on December 07, 2010, 11:56:05 AM
How about ....

Cyclamen aquaticus ssp glacialis?

That seems particularly fitting.  ;D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: ArnoldT on December 07, 2010, 04:00:34 PM
Here are two different C. hederifolium
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on December 09, 2010, 10:36:58 PM
Coum variegated seedling
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: mark smyth on December 10, 2010, 12:18:13 PM
My Cyclamen hederifolium shown back in November wasn't hardy. All the leaves are hanging limp
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on December 10, 2010, 04:15:11 PM
It's sure to perk up as (if!) the weather gets better Mark
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: mark smyth on December 10, 2010, 04:22:19 PM
weather is back to normal here
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: David Nicholson on December 10, 2010, 04:24:16 PM
It's much better here too, no frost in the ground but the pots in the greenhouse are still solid.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: partisangardener on December 10, 2010, 06:04:56 PM
It usaually takes some days to recover with me. Never failed down to -20
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johnw on December 12, 2010, 09:42:58 PM
It usaually takes some days to recover with me. Never failed down to -20

It's funny about Cyclamen leaves in cold.  My experience over the years has been that with the first few hard freezes the leaves go limp and look alarmingly black and water-soaked.  After that they return to normal and take much colder temperatures without the blackened soggy look.  They do go limp in the worst cold but never as scarily as in early winter.  Have others noticed the same thing?

Here is a seedling that has cropped up in a batch of Melvyn's hederifolium seed that shows dark pink through the silver. Several of these have appeared in a recent sowing.  Has anyone else seen this?

johnw - +2c and on the rise.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Paul T on December 14, 2010, 08:11:57 AM
Very nice, John.  Excellent to see the pink colouration in other than mirabile. 8)  From the leaf shape, I would have thought it as a coum, not a hederifolium.  ???  Shows how much I know. ::)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: annew on December 14, 2010, 11:01:40 AM
In my (limited) experience, C. hederifolium seedlings descended from "Bowles' Apollo' often show some pink in the new leaves like mirabile does.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: bulborum on December 14, 2010, 11:12:18 AM
Yes annew
You are right
it seems one year more as the other
This year mine are very pale
do have the others the same experience

Roland
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on December 14, 2010, 12:19:25 PM
this is a Cyclamen graecum ssp anatolicum sown in 1996 which has produced these yellowish leaves every year from one of its crowns. They look a bit tatty at the moment because it has been kept very cold over the last few weeks. It never varies and I suppose I should cut it of as it does not add anything to the attractiveness of the plant.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Regelian on December 14, 2010, 01:34:39 PM
I don't know, Tony.  I think I would pot up this corm seperately and see how it developes.  Could be interesting!

Jamie
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on December 14, 2010, 02:29:07 PM
Jamie

it is one growth of many on a large corm.I would have to take it as a cutting. Maybe in the spring.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Regelian on December 14, 2010, 02:39:27 PM
OK, I see the problem.  Still, I would try it in the Spring.  Alone in a pot, it may be quite attractive.  As it is, I find it interesting.  There may be some recessive genes in there for new breeding directions.   Then again, it may just be a less than healthy part of the corm!  Think positive.  It will be a huge seller at Wisley.
Jamie
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 15, 2010, 03:42:30 AM
I too have had pink suffusion on seedlings from Bowles' Apollo but it fades away by the second year of true leaves. I'd forgotten about it because they have been very dry in recent years and haven't set seed. The above posts sent me out to rescue and repot them, while still more or less dormant.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Melvyn Jope on December 16, 2010, 07:57:15 PM
Here is a seedling that has cropped up in a batch of Melvyn's hederifolium seed that shows dark pink through the silver. Several of these have appeared in a recent sowing.  Has anyone else seen this?

John, I agree with the comments made by Anne about Bowles Apollo showing pink in new and mature leaves however I have not grown Bowles Apollo for a few years so the seed I sent you would not have been from that selection. What is much more likely is that it is seed from one of the plants in my collection which originated from Leonidi in the Peloponnese which were selected for the striking pink markings on mature leaves. We have also observed that some seedlings of C.confusum have a distinct bronze appearance, unfortunately in that species it does not last. I do think that you should keep an eye on your 'pink' C.hederifolium seedlings until the first mature leaf in case you have something special, I do hope so.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johnw on December 16, 2010, 08:27:06 PM
Melvyn -   I wondered if you were growing Bowles' Apollo so this news and the appearance of pink suffusion is doubly exciting.  So far there are 5 pink seedlings but the one in the post is certainly the most pronounced.

I have grown lots of Bowles' Apollo seed and can't recall any pinkish-ness. Perhaps I was just inattentive.  As cyclamen seed leaves in a communal pots get so entangled one can easily lose track of what's happening. This year I have planted Melvyn's seed one seed per cell in 2 flats with 144 cells - and 3 weeks ago the leftovers in a flat of 50 cells - hence it is possible to see the changes from first leaf to the following ones.  The observations are eye-opening; pure silver changing to unmarked green and more commonly the reverse, dark shiny green with silver centre to the reverse and silver edges becoming silver-centred!

Thanks again Melvyn for the seed and I will keep you updated.

A question - has anyone successfully propagated a cyclamen by chopping in half a tuber with multiple floral stalks in half to replicate? I once accidentally halved a huge old hederifolium tuber with the spade, I was 50% successful. And are multiple stalks necessary?

johnw - +6c and sunny
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Oron Peri on December 18, 2010, 10:37:22 AM
Two of my persicums
C persicum var. autumnale, blooming successfully this year, this plant is in flower for 4 weeks now.
seedlings of 'Persian Beauty'.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Tony Willis on December 18, 2010, 10:49:44 AM

A question - has anyone successfully propagated a cyclamen by chopping in half a tuber with multiple floral stalks in half to replicate? I once accidentally halved a huge old hederifolium tuber with the spade, I was 50% successful. And are multiple stalks necessary?

johnw - +6c and sunny

A friend is now successfully rooting and more importantly growing on cuttings of hederifolium. He takes a growing point (floral trunk) with leaves attached and a tiny amount of the underlying tuber. These root and a new tuber is formed.They are put in a heated propagator. As you would expect mould is a challenge and precautions are necessary against it.It is interesting that the ones he took last spring did not go dormant and have continued to grow through the summer and are now flowering.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: ian mcenery on December 18, 2010, 01:27:41 PM
Two of my persicums
C persicum var. autumnale, blooming successfully this year, this plant is in flower for 4 weeks now.
seedlings of 'Persian Beauty'.

Oron those are lovely leaves. It is amazing the diversity of leaf pattern on persicum. Also love the autumnale
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: ian mcenery on December 18, 2010, 01:35:00 PM

A question - has anyone successfully propagated a cyclamen by chopping in half a tuber with multiple floral stalks in half to replicate? I once accidentally halved a huge old hederifolium tuber with the spade, I was 50% successful. And are multiple stalks necessary?

johnw - +6c and sunny

A friend is now successfully rooting and more importantly growing on cuttings of hederifolium. He takes a growing point (floral trunk) with leaves attached and a tiny amount of the underlying tuber. These root and a new tuber is formed.They are put in a heated propagator. As you would expect mould is a challenge and precautions are necessary against it.It is interesting that the ones he took last spring did not go dormant and have continued to grow through the summer and are now flowering.

Tony I too have seen these plants and it is a very interesting method indeed. I believe a paper on this method of propagation is being prepared for the Cyclamen Society.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Melvyn Jope on December 18, 2010, 05:33:14 PM
A question - has anyone successfully propagated a cyclamen by chopping in half a tuber with multiple floral stalks in half to replicate? I once accidentally halved a huge old hederifolium tuber with the spade, I was 50% successful. And are multiple stalks necessary?
I have attempted to divide tubers into two or more pieces, usually when treating damaged tubers rather than as a method of increasing desirable forms. I have had success with C.hederifolium, C.graecum ssp candicum and C.rohlfsianum. The attached photos are of Cyclamen rohlfsianum forma album which I divided into two as the tuber was crescent shaped and rather soft when I received it. The strange thing is that the first piece has many leaves wth an average width of 2.5 cms and the second has fewer leaves with an average width of 9 cms and has a completely different appearance.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Melvyn Jope on December 18, 2010, 05:35:16 PM
Oron, superb leaves on Cyclamen persicum 'Persian Beauty', thanks for showing.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johnw on December 18, 2010, 06:49:40 PM
Tony & Melvyn - Thanks for that.

On another note I have been waiting expectantly to see how two tiny hederifolium seedlings would develop.  They promised to be very dwarf but it appears they are growing out of that.  There is a dwarf strain of persicums which used to be about in the supermarkets. I can't recall seeing them of late but I really haven't been looking for them.  I wonder how that strain was developed. Are there naturally occuring dwarf persicums?  It would be wonderful to have dwarf hederifoliums and purpurascens.

johnw   -  +3c and overcast.

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Guff on December 21, 2010, 08:08:29 PM
Happy Holidays everyone
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johnw on December 28, 2010, 06:41:20 PM
A few C. hederifoliums seedlings that have been pulled for further assessment.

Off to repot the rohlfs into 25cm clay pots.

johnw
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Regelian on December 28, 2010, 07:25:11 PM
Wow, John!

those are choice!  Nice work.

Jamie
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johnw on December 28, 2010, 11:43:26 PM
Wow, John!
those are choice!  Nice work.
Jamie

Jamie  - I'm afraid it's no work on my part, simply seed from the Cyclamen Society.

johnw
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Susan Owl on December 29, 2010, 04:50:18 PM
How beautiful, John! I like especially those in pic 141.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johnw on December 29, 2010, 04:55:09 PM
How beautiful, John! I like especially those in pic 141.

Susan - I sent seed in to the SRGC of the better long-leafed silver hederifoliums. Sorry I would send you some but I sowed the last here a month ago and every one came up last week.

johnw - -1c & cloudy.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Susan Owl on December 30, 2010, 10:34:40 AM
John, thank you so much.  :) Perhaps next year there will be another chance.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Hoy on December 30, 2010, 02:37:59 PM
This one is probably nothing for you but while waiting for my own Cyclamens to reappear from the snow dunes I had to buy it when I came across it yesterday.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Gail on December 30, 2010, 06:23:04 PM
Amazingly frilly Trond, like a little girl's party dress!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johnw on December 30, 2010, 09:10:10 PM
These two hederifolium seedlings ex Melvyn's seed caught my eye. One with marbled leaves and the other with extremely dark green shiny leaves.

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johnw - +2c & temp on the rise for a few days.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Maggi Young on December 30, 2010, 09:19:05 PM
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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Hans A. on January 01, 2011, 02:26:36 PM
Fine seedlings John!
Some seedling pictures from last year - a selfsown C. rohlfsianum seedling with two leaves on one stalk. While C. persicum seedlings grow mainly next to the mature plants in my garden especially C. hederifolium and C. cilicicum sow around freely and appear nearly everywhere.  ::)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johnw on January 01, 2011, 04:34:21 PM
Hans - What a joy to have these tender species sprouting hither and yon.  We were amazed when we did the last mow as we found a couple of sizeable and some tiny purpurascens growing in the lawn even though the soil is severely compacted.

Love your double-header!

Yesterday I repotted my cw persicums (1985 ex CS) into 3 gallon pots, the rolfs and graecums into 10" clay pots. The old africanum from 1985 seed into a 12" clay pot & it rwally should have gone to a 14".  It is now clear to me that they should be repotted every year - at least with my mix - as there was nothing but stones, grit and soupy black rooted peat and leafmould left. I think I've rescued them just in the nick of time.

johnw
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johnw on January 01, 2011, 04:35:42 PM
This one is probably nothing for you but while waiting for my own Cyclamens to reappear from the snow dunes I had to buy it when I came across it yesterday.

Hoy

Good grief it looks like crape myrtle. Any scent?

johnw - +5/+6c, cloudy
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johnw on January 01, 2011, 04:38:51 PM
Two of my persicums
C persicum var. autumnale, blooming successfully this year, this plant is in flower for 4 weeks now.
seedlings of 'Persian Beauty'.

Oron - How did I miss this posting? Smashing v. autumnale and the seedlings of Persian Beauty are as well.

johnw
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: annew on January 01, 2011, 08:07:02 PM
A C. mirabile that I planted out this summer is looking fine after surviving -14C.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Hoy on January 01, 2011, 11:28:12 PM
This one is probably nothing for you but while waiting for my own Cyclamens to reappear from the snow dunes I had to buy it when I came across it yesterday.

Hoy

Good grief it looks like crape myrtle. Any scent?

johnw - +5/+6c, cloudy
Hello John, Crape myrtle? Do they flower so small?
No scent that I can detect but my daughter says it is some!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Melvyn Jope on January 02, 2011, 08:45:18 PM
Glad that you are still finding some good seedlings John, this is one that I picked out last year, its still looking very good and has very small leaves and one remaining flower at the moment. I think its another from a plant of Cyclamen hederifolium that originated near Leonidi in the Peloponnese.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johnw on January 03, 2011, 02:12:59 AM
This one is probably nothing for you but while waiting for my own Cyclamens to reappear from the snow dunes I had to buy it when I came across it yesterday.

Hoy

Good grief it looks like crape myrtle. Any scent?

johnw - +5/+6c, cloudy
Hello John, Crape myrtle? Do they flower so small?
No scent that I can detect but my daughter says it is some!


Hoy

I guess the dwarf crepe myrtles do flower as small plants.  Not a prayer to survive or flower here though, I had a big one in a tub for a stretch and the buds always fell off with the cool nights.  I may have seen some on Cape Cod but here it was killed outright the year it was planted out.  A few dwarfs survived one winter at Annapolis Royal but were killed the next year when then ventured above the snowline.

johnw      -  +4c and rain
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: johnw on January 03, 2011, 02:14:48 AM
Glad that you are still finding some good seedlings John, this is one that I picked out last year, its still looking very good and has very small leaves and one remaining flower at the moment. I think its another from a plant of Cyclamen hederifolium that originated near Leonidi in the Peloponnese.

Sensational Melvyn.  I think there are two tiny ones that show the same silver with a darker lined edges. Hopefully they will retain it.

johnw    - +4c and rain
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Diane Clement on January 03, 2011, 08:04:52 AM
I think its another from a plant of Cyclamen hederifolium that originated near Leonidi in the Peloponnese.
Melvyn, this is fabulous, I love the dark edging.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2010
Post by: Paul T on January 03, 2011, 11:40:30 AM
John,

Great leaves.  Some fascinating stuff in there, that is for sure.  I've seen similar to some of them, but the rest are new to me.

Melvyn,

That silver leaf is an absolute cracker.  Never seen anything like it with that almost red dark edge on the scolloped leaves.  Superior!!!!!!!  :o :o
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