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General Subjects => Travel / Places to Visit => Topic started by: Tony Willis on November 16, 2009, 05:51:37 PM
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I have just got back from a couple of weeks in SW Turkey. The weather was mixed from freezing rain and snow with storm force winds to brilliant sunshine.
I had a bit of a detour at the start to pop up to near Bursa to try and find Cyclamen intaminatum which is the only Turkish cyclamen I had not yet seen. Not the best trip with awful weather but was successful in finding a few in flower. I then moved back to the South coast and went to look at Crocus nerimaniae growing with Cyclamen mirabile at the Gejik dam. There were masses in flower but mainly closed due to the cold.
I then had a day down the Bozburum peninsular to look at Cyclamen hederifolium and Narcissus miniatus (Gerd has decided this is what they are) Last year there were lots in flower but this year only a few and most of those had been turned into goats cheese.
I then moved to Kas and on the way found Crocus assumaniae and also a few gone over Crocus mathewii with only this poor specimen left in flower.
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At Kas I saw the Narcissus tazetta and have shown a picture of its habitat. From there I visited the site at Xanthos which was covered with Sternbergia lutea in hundreds.
Leaving Kas I moved further west and stayed near Kumluca seeing on the way both Cyclamen graecum and a Colchicum sp. and lots of Scilla autumnalis.
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Tony
You are quick off the mark - have only just downloaded my shots from the camera (could not find lead :-[) Now to resize etc.
Love the nerimaniae :)
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Whilst there I went to see the Galanthus peshmenii and Crocus wattiorum which was one I had not seen before. The weather was kind and they looked wonderful.
The last day was spent at Side from where I went upto near Akseki to see Cyclamen cilicicum and there found my last new plant Biarum pyrami which was very impressive.
Then it was time to come home.
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Tony
You are quick off the mark - have only just downloaded my shots from the camera (could not find lead :-[) Now to resize etc.
Love the nerimaniae :)
Arthur its the benefits of youth,all that extra energy!
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The last day was spent at Side from where I went upto near Akseki to see Cyclamen cilicicum and there found my last new plant Biarum pyrami which was very impressive.
Tony, the Biarum is very impressive indeed - but your well photographed pics of plants and sites are also superb! Must have been a wonderful journey!
Gerd
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Many thanks, Tony. A great set of photographs. Must have been a great visit despite the occasional bad weather.
Please continue - and I look forward to Arthur's contributions.
Paddy
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Tony
You are quick off the mark - have only just downloaded my shots from the camera (could not find lead :-[) Now to resize etc.
Love the nerimaniae :)
Arthur its the benefits of youth,all that extra energy!
So, you've got someone in to help you ,then??!! ::) ;D ;)
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Take the bikini Tony? :P ;D
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Take the bikini Tony? :P ;D
David I always feel so self conscious in it now a days,I expect you feel the same in yours.
My best moment has been in Kas when two young Japanese girls asked for my autograph thinking I was Mr Bean.
I can say most days I had on a pullover and wished I had my gloves with me. It was a quite unusual autumn. On previous visits I have sat in shirtsleeves drinking a beer almost to hot to move.
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Wonderful pictures Tony; thanks for sharing them.
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Tony wonderfull pictures! I hope you enjoyed your trip.
If I am not wrong your C. asumaniae Janis has called C. pallasii subsp. pallasii ! Because this part of Antalya there is not C. asumaniae !
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looks like a wonderful trip--so many gorgeous plants--the first narcissus is lovely--very unnarcissusesque, which i like! ;)
galanthus in leaves and cyclamen in rocks are beautiful shots..
i have to admit though, the highlight so far may have been the Mr. Bean autograph request...lol
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Wonderful photographs Tony !
Looks like you had a great trip... and in good company too.. 8) ;D
Thanks for showing and I hope to see more from Art !
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Crikey! That was a shock.... I thought for a moment that there was, in the wake of talk of bikinis...a wish to see more OF Art, but I now realise that it reads " see more FROM art" Phew! (No offence, Art!!) :-*
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Thanks for these wonderful photos, Tony!
Can you confirm Janis' observations, that many of the Crocus
nerimaniae in the wild look virused?
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Tony wonderfull pictures! I hope you enjoyed your trip.
If I am not wrong your C. asumaniae Janis has called C. pallasii subsp. pallasii ! Because this part of Antalya there is not C. asumaniae !
ibrahim
I cannot agree witrh your comments because as I understand it Crocus asumaniae is also common on Baba Dag and I think the range is larger than first published which was near Akseki.
Last year Jan Kees found it in the area of Feithye which as you know is where Baba Dag is and where I found mine. I have also seen it near Akseki this year.Also Crocus mathewii which some think is just a variant of asumaniae grows in this area as well but not at Akseki.
Thomas this time I went to see the Crocus nerimaniae at the Geyik Dam and although there were many dozens out they appeared normal.
I have seen them in previous two years at Labranda which I think is where Janis found them and again although I only saw them in small numbers there I did not observe any problems.
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Tony nice to see the different Cyclamen. 5 in flower must be a nice amount :)
I presume that will be hard to beat in one trip.
Did You also see some nice foliage on them or was it not developed yet?
Kind regards
Joakim
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Joakim
the foliage was developed on all of them and with the exception of Cyclamen graecum I did not find any particularly different ones. The graecum however were just spectacular and in particular in the area of Goynuk where there were hundreds of plants in full leaf in every combination imaginable.
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Tony any chance to see more of the spectacular graecum (apart from going there self? ::) ) 8)
Kind regards
Joakim
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here are some Cyclamen graecum.The first is of some plants growing in a crevice on top of the ampitheatre at Kas.
The second is a general view of a few plants in the woods at Goynuk and the rest are individual plants there.
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Grand pix, Tony. Every leaf different and everyone just as lovely as the next..... how I would love it if Cyclamen graecum would decide that Aberdeen was a nice place to live, instead if a place to exist not enjoying life at all! :P :-X
Mind you, if I could persuade the /BD to heat a glaas house a little...... who knows what possibilities might come my way....... ::)
Yeah, right, I know.... fat chance!
Never mind, hope costs nothing! :D
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Grand pix, Tony. Every leaf different and everyone just as lovely as the next..... how I would love it if Cyclamen graecum would decide that Aberdeen was a nice place to live, instead if a place to exist not enjoying life at all! :P :-X
Mind you, if I could persuade the /BD to heat a glaas house a little...... who knows what possibilities might come my way....... ::)
Yeah, right, I know.... fat chance!
Never mind, hope costs nothing! :D
Maggi - You'll need to heat that greenhouse in summer to get them to flower. You might persuade the BD on the grounds that the extra warmth might improve flowering in some other bulbs too ;)
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I know, Tony.....we had a big old graecum that just sat in the kitchen and sulked for years.... in the kitchen!!
The BD will not be moved.... says this is Aberdeen and they have to shape up or ship out...... I'm keeping very quiet and just putting on more sweaters ! :-X
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Mine are snuggled down with a bit of bubble polythene and an undersoil cable tonight as we have our first frost of the year. I would not expect them to freeze but not prepared to take the chance. I have had a large single malt to keep the frost out,just a difference in approach!
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Funnily enough Tony so did I and, as it seemed to work, I shall do the same tonight. ;D
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Thanks for showing them Tony they are looking like little magically painted pictures all of them.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Wow, fantastic graecum. Better than any I think I've seen before, and I am rather partial to graecum. Are leaf forms like these available in commerce? I've never seen them here in Aus, although graecums are pretty uncommon to find here anyway so usually I grow from seed if I can get it. Thanks for the pics.
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wow! love those leaves, tony1
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Wow, fantastic graecum. Better than any I think I've seen before, and I am rather partial to graecum. Are leaf forms like these available in commerce? I've never seen them here in Aus, although graecums are pretty uncommon to find here anyway so usually I grow from seed if I can get it. Thanks for the pics.
Paul although I am not a member, The Cyclamen Society has an excellent seed exchange and I am sure you would find some good forms there. I would say however that what comes off a good parent is no guarantee of a good seedling,unless like me you find them all good.
I attach a picture below of two seedlings from the same seed pod collected in Turkey from a 'good'parent.This illustrates the difference in what can come up.
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I attach a picture below of two seedlings from the same seed pod collected in Turkey from a 'good'parent.This illustrates the difference in what can come up.
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I have got to the stage now where I rarely sow seed unless it is from selected plants from my own collection. From the resulting seedlings I will keep 1 or 2 out of every 100, a further 25 or 30 will be good enough to sell the other 70 or so will be thrown away as simply not good enough. As you say there is no guarantee good parents breed good children and this is what makes it so interesting, the trouble is the better your collection gets the harder it is to find seedlings that are good enough to fit in.
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Pat nice to see those they are lovely. The other problem is finding room for the seedlings before deciding which to keep and which to discard.
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Pat nice to see those they are lovely. The other problem is finding room for the seedlings before deciding which to keep and which to discard.
Tony, space is a big problem it seems the more you have the more you grow. I have plants in every nook and cranny, balanced in between other plants, on shelves, on makeshift tables in the garden but it is infectious. Brian Burrow said once that all you need is 100 top quality plants and you will get as much pleasure from them as you get from 1000, he is probally right but that is a hard one to achieve.
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Pat clearly you have not visited Brian recently. This is a case of 'Do as I say,not as I do'.
He has hundreds if not thousands of plants all in excellent condition.
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Pat clearly you have not visited Brian recently. This is a case of 'Do as I say,not as I do'.
He has hundreds if not thousands of plants all in excellent condition.
Yes that sounds like Brian.
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Truly wonderfull leaf forms Pat !!! :o :o
Thanks for showing !!
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Paul although I am not a member, The Cyclamen Society has an excellent seed exchange and I am sure you would find some good forms there. I would say however that what comes off a good parent is no guarantee of a good seedling,unless like me you find them all good.
I attach a picture below of two seedlings from the same seed pod collected in Turkey from a 'good'parent.This illustrates the difference in what can come up.
i think i might be like you then, tony, i'd probably think they were all good! certainly i'd be happy to have these two lovely and nicely different forms, esp from wild collected seed..
was this all from the pod, or you just chose two good ones to show for contrast?
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I had a dozen germinated and they were the two most contrasting and I discarded the rest.
I have attached a picture of some leaves of plants, again from one wild collected pod, from Crete. They are not very exciting but different. The bottom two although not apparent in the picture are quite silvery but the rest are dull green and also the flower colour was variable. I find this variability in offspring of seed from one plant interesting.
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I had a dozen germinated and they were the two most contrasting and I discarded the rest.
I have attached a picture of some leaves of plants, again from one wild collected pod, from Crete. They are not very exciting but different. The bottom two although not apparent in the picture are quite silvery but the rest are dull green and also the flower colour was variable. I find this variability in offspring of seed from one plant interesting.
These are nice Tony and I notice that they came from the rhodopou a source of many good forms that I have either directly or seed from melvyns plants. Sadly I have heard that the site at Afrata has been very badly damaged although I am not sure of the full details maybe somebody can provide more information ?.
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I had a dozen germinated and they were the two most contrasting and I discarded the rest.
I have attached a picture of some leaves of plants, again from one wild collected pod, from Crete. They are not very exciting but different. The bottom two although not apparent in the picture are quite silvery but the rest are dull green and also the flower colour was variable. I find this variability in offspring of seed from one plant interesting.
intersting indeed! this sort of variation is the most exciting prospect in seed propagation :) some cacti and succulents are famously variable, but these cyclamen must be among the most radical plants in that regard..