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Title: Epimedium ID
Post by: razvan chisu on April 19, 2007, 09:37:35 AM

I have two Epimediums, either without a name. Can anyone help?
First two pictures of the same species.

Title: Re: Epimedium ID
Post by: Maggi Young on April 19, 2007, 10:52:22 AM

Razvan, I am ashamed to say that, as with the epimedium you posted for an ID earlier ( I think it was you?) I cannot help. :-X  We grow some epimediums but I cannot identify  any of them,  :-[
I keep thinking I'm getting the hang of the species, but that is not the case! I am hoping that some clever people on the forum will be able to help you, and by that, me too! ???
They are very attractive plants in flower and when the foliage is young, but we find that the leaves get rather untidy and eaten by pests as they get older.Maybe we just have too many pests in the garden!

Title: Re: Epimedium ID
Post by: razvan chisu on April 19, 2007, 10:59:45 AM

I have only these two plants so far, (it was me, earlier) but I have no way to determine them. I must look at the online flora of China, but I guess they wouldnt deal with hybrids. And if these are hybrids or cultivars then I am lost. :P So, if anyone knows anything ...
They grow very well here, most hardy, and no problem with pests so far.

Title: Re: Epimedium ID
Post by: Maggi Young on April 19, 2007, 11:03:36 AM

Perhaps everyone finds these plants difficult to ID, Razvan, since no-one suggested a name for your earlier plant, either! We may not be the only ones! I know that Teyl de Bordes who has a nursery in the Scottish Borders, grows quite a range of Epimediums but I don't know if he visits the forum ???

Title: Re: Epimedium ID
Post by: Hans J on April 19, 2007, 01:03:17 PM

Hi Maggi and Razvan , ::)

Here is a other fan of Epimedium !
I grow a lot of this plants - some cultivars and many species .
The best book for Epimedium is :
"The genus Epimedium " from W.T.Stearn ( Timber press )
To your plants Razvan :
The first is not clear for me - but it's must be a cultivar ( hybrid )
The other could be maybe E.X versicolor "Neosulphureum" or "Sulphureum" -I have a similar plant .
I grow E.alpinum ( Europe),pinnatum ,pinnatum ssp. colchicum, pubigerum ( Asia ) perralderianum ,( Africa) - your plant is not one of this - and the chinese plants looks really different .
Could you make maybe a picture from the leaves and flowers- this would be helpfull .

Many greetings :o
Hans

Title: Re: Epimedium ID
Post by: razvan chisu on April 20, 2007, 05:38:39 AM

Hans
Is there something you do not grow? I loved your pictures of peonies, you have so many! How big is your garden? Do you have overall pictures of it?
As for the Epimedium, here is a leaf picture of the first one.

Title: Re: Epimedium ID
Post by: Hans J on April 20, 2007, 06:44:37 AM

Razvan ,

Thank you -I'm shure some days you will also have so many peonies....and other plants.....
To your first plant of Epimedium :
After a long time searching in my books and cataloges I have maybe found a name for it - it's could be a other form of E.pubigerum .
I know only plants of this species from Mts. near Trabzon/ Turkey ,they have red tinged outer sepals ....but by my search I found a picture on the list of D.Probst which has similar flowers like yours .
I would be interest for a piece of your plant ....may be we could swap something if you like.....I have still a lot seeds of peonies from last year !
Please contact me private

Greetings
Hans

Title: Re: Epimedium ID
Post by: Tim Orpin on April 20, 2007, 06:49:50 AM

G'Day Razvan,

I can't be certain but your first plant looks like E. pubigerum based on the short spurs and general morphology. I agree that the second plant looks very much like E. x versicolor "Sulphureum" which is a hybrid of E. grandiflorum and E. pinnatum ssp. colchicum. 

Cheers,

Tim

Title: Re: Epimedium ID
Post by: Paul T on April 20, 2007, 09:18:11 AM

I'll chime in a third confirmation for 'Sulphureum' or 'Neosulphureum' for the second one.  I have no idea how to tell them apart as what I have as the two are as far as I can tell identical.  Maybe there is something minor different between mine, but more likely I have the one thing under both names.

Title: Re: Epimedium ID
Post by: razvan chisu on April 20, 2007, 10:14:38 AM

Thanks for the ID. At least I have a starting point.

Title: Re: Epimedium ID
Post by: Maggi Young on April 20, 2007, 10:39:09 AM

Okay, now we've got you Guys on the case, what about this Epimedium that Razvan posted  earlier in April: he got it as E. alpinum but doubted the namimg... opinions?
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Title: Re: Epimedium ID
Post by: Olga Bondareva on April 23, 2007, 11:04:29 AM

I agree with Paul about the third - versicolor "Sulphureum". The first and second - may be pubigerum?

http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&q=Epimedium%20pubigerum&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi

Title: Re: Epimedium ID
Post by: annew on April 23, 2007, 05:58:13 PM

I agree, first and second look like pubigerum. This is mine.

Title: Re: Epimedium ID
Post by: Olga Bondareva on May 05, 2007, 05:49:40 PM

Now I need your help in identification.

This Epimedium came from China as Epimedium sp.. Now it is blooming. Flowers are very small and are the same to E. sagittatum. But leaves…

I would be grateful for any ideas.

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