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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: mark smyth on April 18, 2007, 11:02:39 PM
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I'll kick off the 2007 Geranium season with something that is about to flower 33 days earlier than last year. It should be monocarpic but it produced three side shoots at the end of last summer.
Geranium maderense
and Geranium tuberosum
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just starting to flower now is G. tuberosum pink form and the lovely G. libani x G. peloponnesiacum. All these tuberous Geraniums will be dormant by late June.
Also Geranium maderense taken yesterday. Notice how the leaves turn down when flowering to stablise the plant with it's huge flower head
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I am tempted by these plants, but I can just hear the BD... " where are you going to put them, they're too big!!"
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I love that G. maderense Mark - I googled it and found it grows as high as 5 feet - your plant looks smaller ???
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Five feet high? Good grief, the BD would kill me!
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my plant when first flowering last year may have been 4 feet. This year it is
Maggi the tuberous plants are small and well behaved. G. tuberosum can run a wee bit but so far not in my garden
I have seeds of maderense unpolluted by palmatum
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Geranium maderense today beaten to death by the gales
Summer Geraniums are now starting to flower
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can you name these 3? Most people cant. All can be found at plants sales, garden events and open days all with the same name
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There must be others growing hardy Geraniums/Geraniaceae
Here are two new ones bought yesterday
'Dragon's Heart' with G. psilostemon in it's blood and G. pratense 'Ilja'
Also three that can be mistaken. G. palmatum, G. rubescens and G. robertianum
The bubble gum pink G. sanguineum 'Shepherd's Warning'
And one I've shown before G. wallichianum ex Chadwell seeds
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I don't know any of your 3 un-named Mark but they are all very attractive with good, clean colours. I also have the Chadwell collection of G. wallichianum so looking forward to its first flowers, having seen yours. I think it's silly to name G. pratense forms as it varies from seed hugely and I'd be surprised if anyone's propagating it any other way.
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Now, 'tis a well-known fact that what I know about geraniums can be written on th sharp end of a pin, but, never one to allow ignorance to get in the way of an opinion, I'll suggest that Mark's three blue gerries can all be obtained as 'Johnston's Blue..... anywhere close?
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yes all are sold/swapped as 'Johnson's Blue'
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They are
x magnificum - G. ibericum x G. platypetalum
'Johnson's Blue' - G. pratense x G. himalyense
and himalayense
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Here's a photo to show the flower size of 'Dragon Heart'
Also
'Jolly Bee' V 'Rozanne' - I cant remember which is which in this photo. can you?
A new pratense double called 'Elsie Lacey'
A pratense seedling in my own garden like 'Splish Splash' but two tone blue
A pratense hybrid 'Summer Skies'
Lastly another possible theft - 'Nora Bremner' and 'Shocking Blue'
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this morning I went out and photographed all of my Geraniums
Firstly a small collage and then in alphabetical order
cinereum 'Rothbury Gem'
'Dragon's Heart'
'Nora Bremner'
'Orion'
'Patricia'
seedling that looks like 'Patricia'
pratense seedling
'Rozanne'
sanguineum
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and a few more
'Vera May'
wallichianum ex Chadwell seed
wallichianum seedling
wallichianum seedling
wallichianum seedling size comparison
wallichianum 'Shocking Blue'
wlassovianum pale form
x magnificum
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Hello!
Nice pictures. There are some geraniums I've never seen before, but I'll have to wait some years to get them in Austria (or Germany).
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Katrin most new ones originate in Europe and eventually come to the UK
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Here's some of my Geraniums :
First a little collection of G. cinereum :
1) Ballerina
2) Lawrence Flatman
3) Purple pillow
4) Carol
Then
5) Ger. farreri (not a very good pic - the flower has clearly suffered from the rain)
6) Ger. Max Frei - I've cut it back right now after flowering and will have another flush of flowers in late August
7) Ger. subcaulescens splendens - an all time favourite
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One of my Geranium farreri plants today
(http://www.lysthaven.dk/forum/files/geranium_farreri_779.jpg)
This is one of my favourtie Geraniums and I have several plants.
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Katrin the link to your web site doesnt work
It's great to have others posting Geraniums in here
Here are spme more from my garden
G. eriostemon
G. palustre
G. sanguineum striatum used to be known as lancastriense
G. wallichianum identical to wall. 'Buxton's variety'
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Geranium clarkeii Kashmir White
(http://www.lysthaven.dk/forum/files/geranium_clarkeii_kashmir_w_597.jpg)
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Beautiful flower Magnar ! So delicate !
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A favourite among the medium high Geraniums :)
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I would have thought more members would be growing hardy Geraniums in their gardens. They arent the menacing plants that most people would have you believe. If you have any questions about them please ask
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All the G. clarkei are great - 'Kashmir White', 'Kashmir Pink', 'Kashmir Purple', 'Kashmir Green' and especially 'Mount Stewart'. I'll include the unrelated 'Kashmir Blue'. 'Kashmir Green' has white flowers with green veins.
'Mount Stewart'
'Kashmir Blue' - G. clarkei 'Kashmir White' x G. pratense 'Albiflorum'
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Here are some more from my own garden
G. palustre after rain
G. orientalitibeticum - more growth than flowers. Grows from chains of tubers
G. sanguineum 'Elka'
G. shikokianum
G. wallichianum 'Crystal Lake'
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'Crystal Lake' is a beauty, I'll have to keep an eye out for it.
Below are:
G. shikokianum
G. ruprechtii
G. swatense
G. delavayi
G. delavayi - variation in seedlings
...and an unknown, probably either pogonanthum or yunnanense?
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wow the true G. delavayi. The last photo may be a seedling
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what's the source for your plants?
the last one isnt pogonanthum or yunnanense. Both are very distinctive
G. pogonanthum
G. yunnanense
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Thanks for posting a picture of yunnanense, I've never seen it before! The unknown looks like your pogonanthum, it's just a bad picture (the backlight messes up the color), it's from Chen Yi so it should be a pure species. Here's an old shot:
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Wow...... all the different varieties you get over there that I've never seen here. Some absolute corkers!! Fantastic pics as always Mark in particular!!
Thanks All!!
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hello Paul, long time no 'see'. I guess you havent been well in recent months? Glad you like the photos. I'll have to send you some seeds - but like most things I promise I forget
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Geranium mieboldii ( I hope) :-\
(http://www.lysthaven.dk/forum/files/geranium_mieboldii_p7184696_982.jpg)
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G. meeboldii is the very old invalid name for G. himalayense. It doesnt come in pink just shades of blue, a double and one white.
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Thanks for the info,, I got the plant labelled like that,, gotta change the label,, will be another sp then.
Have you got any idea what it might be,, the plant is about 30 cm tall, roundish.
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Could it be G. krameri (syn. G. sieboldii)?
Mark; do you have a picture of 'Pagoda'?
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it's not G. krameri that has distinctive red veins. Sorry I have no photo of 'Pagoda'
Cant believe how poor my photography/camera was when I first got into digital photography in 2002 or before
G. krameri
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Here are a couple of pics of the extraordinary Erodium glandulosum "Spanish Eyes".
I say extraordinary as it has not been without flowers in more than 24 months, since we planted it!
cheers
fermi
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Thats a very compact healthy plant. Do you prune it?
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No, I don't actually prune it as such but I did take some cuttings once and about a year ago I cut it back as it was overgrowing its neighbour.
I think it remains compact as it growing "hard" in a raised rock garden bed with little water and some overhead shade in summer from a tree ( I know, sacrilege in Rock Gardening terms) but plenty of sun when the sun is low during the winter (now). The most I do these days is just remove the dead flowers which as you can see I haven't done recently!
cheers
fermi
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Mark,
'Spanish Eyes' is flowering here too at the moment, in the depths of winter. Nowhere near the size of your plant..... it doesn't do fantastically here for some reason, growing for me only when given virtually total neglect. Too much watering results in rotting very quickly. Your plant looks SO much healthier than mine!! But then you ARE an addict for this particular family!! ;)
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It's Fermi's plant
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What a kick!
I just repotted my Pelargonium mollicomum seedlings. Spilling the pot, I discovered strings of tubers like small potatoes! I know that some of the Pelie's are caudiciform, others tuber forming, but I've never quite seen one like this...
Carlo
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Mark,
Yep, you got me there. Obviously I'm so used to YOU posting the pics of the impressive Geraniacea that I didn't even notice it was someone else. You can at least take it as a compliment...... I jsut assumed as it was grown well it was yours!! LOL I think I should be apologising to Magnar etc as well, as they'be been posting some nice pics too.
Nice plant Fermi!! How are you growing it so nicely? Is it grown hot and dry?
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Carlo there are a few species Pelargoniums and Geraniums with strings of beads. Two that come to mind are G. orientalitibeticum, G. malviflorum and P. worchesteriae
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Here are a few Erodiums from my garden
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Hi Paul,
not too hot, but dry -ish ( see note above addressed to Mark).
I've found here that the erodiums will tolerate the heat if given a little shelter from the afternoon sun.
cheers
fermi
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Here are two Pelargoniums with tubers
P. 'Ardens'
P. worchesteriae
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Here's a Geranium bought in the Czech Republic back in May and flowering for the first time.
G. cinereum ssp. subcaulescens var. cant read the writing but I'm not 100% sure it is correct
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Here are four geraniums from my garden.
I have labelled them a,b,c,d because I don’t know their names.
I also grow geranium palmatum and splish-splash, but neither is in flower at the moment.
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A. possibly 'Blue Cloud' http://www.marksgardenplants.com/blue-cloud3.html (http://www.marksgardenplants.com/blue-cloud3.html)
B. subcaulescens http://www.marksgardenplants.com/cinereum-splendens.html (http://www.marksgardenplants.com/cinereum-splendens.html)
C. sanguineum 'Shephard's Warning' http://www.marksgardenplants.com/sanguineum-shephard.html (http://www.marksgardenplants.com/sanguineum-shephard.html)
D. x oxonianum http://www.marksgardenplants.com/geraniums3.htm (http://www.marksgardenplants.com/geraniums3.htm)
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I've followed your links Mark and they look like good matches to my plants.
Thanks,
Rob
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Mark, I have a geranium I grew from czech seed a good few years go. The flowers look like yours, does it have lovely silver/grey foliage? I got it as G. cinereum ssp. subcaulescens var subcaulescens. If it is the same plant you are lucky because makes a lovely compact 20cm dome and flowers all the time from spring onwards. It doesn't set many seeds, but perhaps because I only have 1 clone, the seed tends to stay with its tails when it gets ejected.
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yes it has soft grey leaves. The last part of the name isnt subcaulescens. If it does stay that small I'll put it in a trough
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I keep pushing Geranium 'Rozanne' a sthe best Geranium ever - until the next comes along - and this is why. Three plants and the keen gardener from a few doors away. A keener eye for golf balls and stole one. Caught him on and sent him to sit in the car while I walked around. "tell your dad before I tell him" I said
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Ah, what better soil can do. Mine never even approaches a quarter of that in size, conditions are just not good enough here! LOL Fantastic plant, that is for sure.
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what's your soil like?
Here is another must have Geranium. It's either 'Anne Folkard' or 'Anne Thompson' I'll phone the garden owner to find out which it is. The plant in the photo is one plant
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Mark; could you please help me identify this Chinese species?
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has it got small flowers maybe less than 1cm across?
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No, they are around 4 cm across. The plant is about 50 cm tall, with opposite stem leaves.
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it could be G. richardsonii but it doent come from China
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G. richardsonii looks close, but I got it as a plant from China, so that species seems unlikely.
Buds
Basal leaf
Stem leaves
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what's your soil like?
Here is another must have Geranium. It's either 'Anne Folkard' or 'Anne Thompson' I'll phone the garden owner to find out which it is. The plant in the photo is one plant
Mark,
Obviously not good enough!! I haven't done much to it hte last few years due to my darn illness, so organic matter needs to be added very badly. Basically a clay soil, mulched when able to and added manure and compost etc at the time. I can barely believe that Anne Folkard....... I am never ever going to show a whole Geranium plant of any type in my garden or I'll be drummed off the forums for neglect!! that AF is just WOW!!!!!
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Does someone (Mark?) recognise the following please? It looks like oxanium 'Walter's Gift', but the petal background is white rather than pale pink and the veining is even more pronounced. The leaves have little dark marks between the lobes, but otherwise green. Habit is low growing and spreading. The flowers are about 2cm diameter.
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G. versicolor Brian
http://www.marksgardenplants.com/versicolor5.html (http://www.marksgardenplants.com/versicolor5.html)
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Thanks for your speedy reply Mark. Might see you at the Mid Anglia Bulb Sale if we can get there. ;D
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you're not that far away are you? Look at the distance and expense that I'm doing to get there! Hopefully King Croconut will be there too
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Arisaema do you have photos of the flowers? The leaves look a bit like G. himalayense
Here's a plant I bought a few years ago and the Vine Weevils promptly ate. Earlier this summer I spotted a tiny leaf in the same pot so I moved it to one of my raised beds where it is now doing really well. Geranium pratense 'Catforth Cadensa'. Dont mention the V word!!
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Spring is definitely here and Pelargonium triste is in bloom and the scent close up is lovely!
cheers
fermi
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The leaves are great! So lucky that you can grow it outside
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thanks, Mark,
This clone has very ferny/furry leaves but I got another one which has less fur but a better (redder) colour in the flowers.
Last year we had a very bad frost in late spring which burnt off all the flowers so no seed!
I had the first flower stem on P. incrassatum suddenly wither halfway up! I broke it off and stuck the flowerhead ina bottle of water so I hope it'll still open a few blooms! I'll post a pic if they develop.
cheers
fermi
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Here's the pic of the remains of the flower head of pelargonium incrassatum; I don't think it has developed properly! The colour is still quite intense.
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cheers
fermi
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Now starting to flower are Geranium incanum
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and Pelargonium"Splendide"
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P. triste is still scenting the evening air quite powerfully, a heady mix with Stocks right nextdoor!
cheers
fermi
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Dear, dear... a place to talk geraniums...that's probably NOT a good idea to have dropped by!!! ;D ;D ;D
It's a bit late in the season to post pics of flowers, even though several of mine are still going strong...
I'd rather show you some leaves instead!
This is 'Rozanne'...(should I say "Of Course!") putting out a fantastic show this fall!
(http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/rozanne021107.jpg) (http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/rozanne021107.php).(http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/rozanne02110702.jpg) (http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/rozanne02110702.php)
(http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/rozanne02110705.jpg) (http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/rozanne02110705.php).(http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/rozanne02110704.jpg) (http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/rozanne02110704.php)
.............(http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/rozanne02110706.jpg) (http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/rozanne02110706.php).(http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/rozanne02110707.jpg) (http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/rozanne02110707.php)
Zeph
PS : Would you care for a few phaeum pics? I haven't seen many in the previous pages, I wonder why...don't you love them? ???
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Would you care for a few phaeum pics?
Zeph, don't hold back!
Interesting to see how good the autumn colour is of the geraniums... I don't think many folks will have realised that. We only grow little ones and they do colour up well but the bigger types could make a noticeable contribution to late colour in the garden.
Okay., Mark, I can hear you saying, 'see, I told you so!' :P
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phaeums would be good. I've resisted showing all the Geraniaceae I grow
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I'll get them started with one that probably has the best leaves. Geranium phaeum 'Samobor'
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Are you sure, Mark? ;)
- Flowers first !
Calligrapher, Lagthorne Blue, Lily Lovell and Raven (the darkest blue!)
Rose Madder, Samobor, Little Boy and Mourning Widow.
-then leaves...
Margaret Wilson, Springtime, Calligrapher,
Samobor (spring), Samobor (summer), Springtime
Zephirine
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Can I suggest you post the photos within the forums rather than link them away
The flower top left looks very like David Bromley. I would like to own the leaf at the bottom right
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I just love the Phaeums. Never heard of a few of those before.... I'm guessing they haven't made it here as yet, or else just aren't available in numbers enough to offer on lists in Australia as yet.
I've had a nice seedling appear this year that has the leaves of samobar but good purple flowers instead of the usual deep red that the samobar seedlings tend to produce (I have found that virtually every samobar seedling that has appeared here has been true to the parent, until this one appeared). I'd agree with Mark about posting within this forum rather than linking outside it...... I find it makes them much harder to view as you can scroll around and compare them but have to link off to another page when they open.
If you aren't familiar with how to include attachments directly..... it's in the "Additional Options" bit directly below the area you type your message in in the SRGC forum. I you need any help, just ask.
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Oh...I apologize about the outside link...it was just easier for me to use my "usual" forum links, I guess :-[. But I'll do it willingly!
Just a try this morning, as I have a very busy day ahead...
The top left flower is 'Calligrapher', Mark, very close to 'David Bromley', yes...and the bottom right leaf is 'Springtime' in spring..
More to come if you like them, and next spring, if they are strong enough to be divided, I could send you a shoot of some of them? (some are this year's newbies..).
I have such fond memories of summers in Ireland when I was a student...it would me my pleasure!
Have a very nice day, all!
Zephirine
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Zephirine,
Thanks for posting them within the forum. Must easier to view I think, and well worth the view!! I've never seen a phaeum with markings like Calligrapher. Just beautiful! And the leaves on Springtime.... Wow!! Never seen the likes of that either. I wonder if either have been imported into Australia as yet, because they definitely SHOULD be!! ;D Shame it is so difficult and expensive to do! <sigh> Still, makes the enjoyment of your photos even better when I can't view the plants in my own garden!! (Well I am trying to convince myself of that anyway!! ::))
Thanks again.
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thanks!
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I have a small quantity of Pelargonium tongaense seeds available should anyone not have this plant in their collections - it is not hardy though...
Please send me a private e-mail if you'd like to reserve a packet.
Here is an excellent link should you want to find out more about this plant: http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantnop/pelargtong.htm
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Zephirine, many thanks for adjusting your photo posts... makes life much easier .... 8)
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Rogan,
Nice looking Pelargonium. Are the leaves as fuzzy as they seemed to be in the pictures? Lovely strong red to the flowers, and interesting that it is deciduous.
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I've listed the names together with the pictures, in the end!
Apart from 'Margaret Wilson' and 'Springtime', there is also a fantastic phaeum cv for leaves, with yellow veins all through the leaf. It's called 'Connie Broe'.
I have received a tiny plant last year, but it didn't show the expected markings...maybe it's still not mature enough, or there was a mistake, I'll see next year...
Another all times favourite for foliage effect is G. wlassowianum, don't you think? In spring, and in fall.
'New Dimension' and its likes also have interesting patterns in spring.
Others have golden young leaves (the two 'Anns', Blue Sunrise', 'Red Heart' and its close cousin 'Sandrine'...)
If you have other favourites for foliage effect, I'd like to see them too!
Greetings to all!
Zephirine
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Zephirine,
thanks for your lovely pics.
Rogan,
thanks for the link re: P. tongaense; I grew it from seed but lost it due to the frost. It's obviously not one for the outdoor garden here!
cheers
fermi
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I've got a limited number of Pelargonium aridum seed available...
I'll let you all do your own homework. Suffice it to say that, although it has nice leaves, it's not terribly showy... (but I like it anyway).