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Title: Wild Flowers of Poland
Post by: Cephalotus on April 18, 2007, 03:44:30 PM
Hello everyone,
Maggi Young suggested I should start a topic about my collection of Polish native plants and wild growing ones. I like all nature and everything what is with it related. But the most of all I like my own native plants. 2 Years ago I set up a small garden with some easy to get species. As everyone knows "The appetite grows with what it feeds on". I started to build up my collection and enlarge my garden. Now I have almost all species I ever wanted (about 47). Also I have the carnivorous ones, which I keep separate in big pots. I am not worried gardening would become boring for me.  Almost each month something new is flowering. Some would not flower even in 2 years. Here are some photos from my garden.

My garden (I had to "arrest" it because of my dog)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Moj%20Ogrod/1.jpg)

Hacquetia epipactis
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Moj%20Ogrod/cieszyniankawiosenna.jpg)

Adonis vernalis
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Moj%20Ogrod/miekwiosenny.jpg)

Primula vulgaris (I have got it from my friend from England)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Moj%20Ogrod/pierwiosnekhybryda.jpg)

Primula farinosa
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Moj%20Ogrod/pierwiosnekomczony1.jpg)

Crocus scepusiensis (One of my 3 loves after Primula minima and Cypripedium calceolus)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Moj%20Ogrod/szafranspiski.jpg)

Soldanella carpatica
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Moj%20Ogrod/urdzikkarpacki.jpg)

But gardening isn’t my only hobby. I also like riding a bike and exploring my surroundings. I must say that I have a fantastic forest near by. I have discovered there so many beautiful and protected species. Many of them shouldn’t even grow here, because the nearest known locality is sometimes more than 200 km away. When I saw my first orchid in nature I knew I must protect it! And now I am near to achieve that, because this whole area have been proposed to become a protected area of European Union project Nature 2000. Here are some photos I have made myself:

Arnica montana
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Rosliny%20zielne/arnikagrksa5.jpg)

Corydalis cava
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Rosliny%20zielne/kokoryczpusta12.jpg)

Aquilegia vulgaris
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Rosliny%20zielne/orlikpospolity.jpg)

Primula elatior
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Rosliny%20zielne/pierwiosnekwyniosy6.jpg)

Galium odoratum
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Rosliny%20zielne/przytuliawonna1.jpg)

Drosera rotundifolia (carnivorous plant)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Rosliny%20zielne/rosiczkaokrgolistna.jpg)

Colchicum autumnale
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Rosliny%20zielne/zimowitjesienny.jpg)

ORCHIDS

Cephalantera longifolia (endangered in my forest becaus deforestation)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Storczyki/buawnikmieczolistny.jpg)

Epipactis atrorubens (fantastic propagating species in my forest)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Storczyki/kruszczykrdzawoczerwony2.jpg)

Epipactis purpurata
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Storczyki/kruszczyksiny1.jpg)

Dactylorhiza maculata
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Storczyki/kukukaplamista2.jpg)

Dactylorhiza majalis
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Storczyki/kukukaszerokolistna.jpg)

Listera ovata
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Storczyki/listerajajowata.jpg)

Platanthera bifolia
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Storczyki/podkolanbiay2.jpg)

That are only few species that can be found in my forest. This year I want to do some new photos. Also almost each year I discover one new species what is really wonderful. I hope I haven't attach to many photos. :(
Title: Re: Wild Flowers of Poland
Post by: mark smyth on April 18, 2007, 04:24:53 PM
Are they flowering now? You must be one of the younger SRGC forum members
Title: Re: Wild Flowers of Poland
Post by: Maggi Young on April 18, 2007, 04:48:15 PM
Krzysztof , many thanks for this topic, I am sure we will enjoy seeing what is in "your" forest as the season changes.  You are most fortunate to have so many species, especially of the orchids, even if the habitat is under threat from deforestation. I hope that the status of protected area will serve to preserve as many of these beautiful plants as possible. Lovely pictures, indeed. And NEVER too many!

Oh, by the way, I would like to see a picture of your dog, too, I LOVE dogs! :D
Title: Re: Wild Flowers of Poland
Post by: Cephalotus on April 18, 2007, 06:36:28 PM
Hello Mark,
I hope you recognise me, because we already know each other. If you mean my garden flowers, they indeed are flowering. Some have already ended flowering, some are still flowering and new are just starting. :) If you mean species from my forest, only 2 species were flowering few days ago. This are Corydalis cava and Primula elatior. Rest will start flowering in May, July and some in August (f.g. Epipactis purpurata). I am really lucky to have such a rich in differential species forest. The first plant flowering in it is Galanthus nivalis snowdrop. I have discovered it this year when I went to male some photos of Primula elatior. I have found few clusters of it. I know that you like snowdrops Mark. :) I have seen your fantastic collection. The last species flowering here is of course Colchicum autumnale. I know two meadows where it grows and even have seeds.

For you Maggi I am attaching photo of my doggy. I also have a cat which also was destroying my garden when I was making my first steps. I give you its photo too.
Title: Re: Wild Flowers of Poland
Post by: David Shaw on April 18, 2007, 08:19:39 PM
Maggie, the dog is very nice but the cat much sweeter!
These are really great plants,Krzysztof. Whilst I dont grow many orchids I love seeing them in the wild.
Beware of the other plants in your picture of Primula vulgaris. We call them 'poppers' because the seed capsules 'pop' open and throw the seed over a wide area - then next years plants do exactly the same so that your garden will soon be infested!
Good luck with the garden.
Title: Re: Wild Flowers of Poland
Post by: Maggi Young on April 18, 2007, 08:31:37 PM
David, I just KNEW you were going to say that! I was going to say that the dog looked too sweet to need such fencing but that the hissing cat had devil eyes!!
Title: Re: Wild Flowers of Poland
Post by: Cephalotus on April 18, 2007, 10:03:00 PM
Thank you David for warning me but I must say, that I let this plant grow consciously. I am cutting all flowers or fresh seeds I notice. My soil dry out very fast. And weeds protect the soil from loosing water. For most species I have it is essential to have always humid soil. That is why I have to water my garden, even a bit, each day. I can say that I must spray the soil. I can’t use bark on the surface for all my plants.

I have also seen one fantastic garden. It was full of weeds, but the plants were terrific. The grower told me, that it is very hard to grow some highland species here in lowlands. He said, that soil dries out very fast and the air is much less humid. Mountains are much more moist. I can confirm that, because I was once in mountains where I found 7 species from my garden. The conditions they were growing were really specific. In the middle of day there were a fog in some parts. It was really humid. Everywhere around were streams. The soil was not even humid but wet. 200 meters down it was so hot and sunny, that I could hardly stand. I always say, that nature is the best teacher of gardening. I also use that method in my carnivorous plants cultivation. I hardly ever look on the growing tips from other growers. I always find information about the natural habitat and if it is possible I copy it. The results are fantastic. The same is with my garden. Although I can’t say I have here different conditions, but I try to imitate them from nature.

For example I was told that Primula farinosa like growing in full sun. Maybe it is true, but mine was burnt down. After I bed out it (how to write move plant from one place to another?) into more shaded place and protected it with green net it is growing fantastic and beautiful flowering. Please, forgive me my talkativeness!

By the way, I knew you would like my animals. I trained them to be nice and kind for everyone. I had to put warning plate on my fance, because my dog fawns to every stranger. ;-) Now everyone wonder where is that "bad dog".
Title: Re: Wild Flowers of Poland
Post by: mark smyth on April 18, 2007, 10:42:29 PM
we already know each other? I know we have emailed but have I met you in person?
Title: Re: Wild Flowers of Poland
Post by: Maggi Young on April 18, 2007, 11:07:09 PM
Quote
After I bed out it (how to write move plant from one place to another?) into more shaded place
Exactly that: to bed a plant out is to plant it out from its pot or move it to another place... so you have the correct  English phrase! :D
Title: Re: Wild Flowers of Poland
Post by: Thomas Huber on April 19, 2007, 08:09:47 AM
Hello Krzysztof!

Thanks for you photos - and good to know that there are more bikers out there!
What kind of biker are you? Touring, Downhill, Freeriding? Do you have a mountainbike?
Title: Re: Wild Flowers of Poland
Post by: Anthony Darby on April 19, 2007, 10:01:16 AM
Lovely plants in a beautiful setting.  8)
Title: Re: Wild Flowers of Poland
Post by: Cephalotus on April 19, 2007, 11:16:29 AM
Hello Thomas,
I have a mountainbike and I am not sure what type of cycling I am doing. Probably touring. I have never thought about what kind of biker I am. I just like riding, especially when it is related with beautiful views and nature. Hello Anthony, Muscari comosum from you is growing like a dream. I am sure it will flower next year.
Title: Re: Wild Flowers of Poland
Post by: Thomas Huber on April 19, 2007, 12:56:11 PM
Great Krzysztof - that's exact the kind of biking I also like, although I don't have the time to
do long trips like some years ago. My son Chris seems to be good enough for longer trips now so
maybe I will have the chance to do some weekend trips except short after-work-trips.

Please keep us in touch with your plant and biking photos and if you ever come to Germany
let's make a trip together, OK?
Title: Re: Wild Flowers of Poland
Post by: Cephalotus on April 19, 2007, 08:52:50 PM
Thomas, it would be a pleasure to go on a ride with you. I regret, that you live so far away from me. By the way, my name in English is also Chris. ;-) 

I have one question. My Primula vulgaris flowers a bit weird. Shouldn’t its flowers grow out from leaves? I mean from the centre of the plants just from the soil surface (yellow arrow). Mine have strange high stalks (marked with the red arrow). It is even funny because it is one plant but have few growing centres.
Title: Re: Wild Flowers of Poland
Post by: Armin on April 20, 2007, 11:03:30 PM
Hello Krzysztof,

your primula vulgaris looks like a hybrid - a cross with primula veris or primula elatior.
I got same hybrids by natural crossing.

Do you grow those wild primula species together in your garden?

rgds
Title: Re: Wild Flowers of Poland
Post by: Anthony Darby on April 20, 2007, 11:32:59 PM
Glad they are doing well Krzysztof. Mine are flowering again in the greenhouse, and I have some outside now to see how they do?
Title: Re: Wild Flowers of Poland
Post by: Cephalotus on April 23, 2007, 09:42:52 PM
Hello Armin,
I have got this plant from my friend from UK. It is growing only one year in my garden. Do you have the oryginal, not hybrid Primula vulgaris?
Title: Re: Wild Flowers of Poland
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 27, 2007, 12:24:35 AM
I like this young man! He says "When I saw my first orchid in nature I knew I must PROTECT it." Not "I knew I must HAVE it."

You have a lovely collection of photos Krzysztof. I've enjoyed them very much.
Title: Re: Wild Flowers of Poland
Post by: Armin on April 29, 2007, 04:22:17 PM
Hello Armin,
I have got this plant from my friend from UK. It is growing only one year in my garden. Do you have the oryginal, not hybrid Primula vulgaris?

Hello Krzysztof,
I keep 3 different wild Primulas in my garden. Primula vulgaris, Primula elatior and Primula veris. Primula vulgaris which is earliest I purchased original from a Rock Garden nursery. Veris & elatior I've grown from seed collected in my near environment. Veris is latest in blossom.
Every year they spread more (when the seed can ripe and falls out) and they do cross each other. Also I got other colour forms, suddenly appeared likely by outside polination from other primulas grown in the gardens nearby.

You can see some pictures I've posted under the subject "Specific Genera" "Primula" "Primulas in March 2007" and "Primulas in April 2007" of this forum.

You can be very proud of having such a wild forrest biotop neraby with so many rare wild plants.
Title: Re: Wild Flowers of Poland
Post by: Cephalotus on April 29, 2007, 08:15:27 PM
Thank you Lesley for your kind words. :)

Armin, is there any chance you could send me even the tiniest plant of Primula vulgaris? Of course I will pay you for it and all costs of packaging and postage. I want to say, that new species are flowering now in my garden. That are:

Trollius europaeus
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Moj%20Ogrod/penikeuropejski.jpg)

Daphne cneorum
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Moj%20Ogrod/wawrzynekgwkowy.jpg)

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Moj%20Ogrod/wawrzynekgwkowy1.jpg)

Also my good friend have shown me today a new species he discovered. It is Pedicularis sylvatica, a protected species. It grows on wet or moist meadows as also on peat-bogs. This plant is half parasite. I don’t know exactly in which part of its growth it parasitize on roots of surrounding plants, but it sure does! It is really amazing plant. I wonder how many species more are still waiting to be discovered?

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Rosliny%20zielne/gnidoszrozesany8.jpg)

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/cephalotus/Rosliny%20zielne/gnidoszrozesany13.jpg)
Title: Re: Wild Flowers of Poland
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 30, 2007, 12:17:15 AM
The Pedicularis is especially nice. Has anyone worked out a way to grow these plants? I seem to remember the occasional specimen on the UK show benches.
Title: Re: Wild Flowers of Poland
Post by: Cephalotus on April 30, 2007, 09:14:48 AM
I am sure it is possible to grow this plant. It is half parasite and there isn’t specific species he parasitize on. It can be a normal grass, shrub or other plant. I think that adult plant grows like others and the parasite period is after germinating.
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