Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: jim divers on April 17, 2007, 12:05:16 PM
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Arisaema have become a very popular plant of late. I have several in the garden and in pots which are now in flower.
I hope I have the sizes OK and can get all the photos on one submission. I am a photographic virgin so to speak. (No please dont go there!!!)
A Utile, Urashima thunbergii, Kishidae, Kishidae again, Robustum, Rhombiforme and finally Iyoanum ssp nakaianum.
The Kishidae has a very nice leaf pattern in colours similar to the spathe.
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Jim,
Veeeeeeery nice!! That last one in particular has a lovely form to it. The very last of the Arisaema leaves have just died off here.
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Hi, Jim, love to Carol! and Purdey, no discrimination here!
Things are looking very green and leafy down there... your lawn looks very lush!
I am not surprised by the popularity if Arisaemas.. I find them hugely interesting in their various leaf shapes, textures and fabulous flowers, with and without added extras! Some complain that they are somehow sinister looking things that give them the creeps, but we can't get enough of them.
Most are not moving much yet, here, and given the little hail shower that just hit us, that is probably just as well. :P
I love the range of sizes Arisaemas come in, too, I am still hoping to find a source of the very neat little A. auriculatum form that I first saw exhibitied by the RBGE a few years ago. Have seen other forms that are quite nice, but not so small and charming nor so well marked. Anyone got seed of this ?
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Jim,
What a great selection of arisaema. Despite being a photgraphic virgin your photographs are very interesting. Many thanks.
Paddy
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Hi Jim and Carol, long time no see. Are you coming up to visit this year?
As Paddy says, lovely pictures of very nice plants. Hope you remeber your friends if any seed become available!
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Thanks to everyone for their kind comments. Yes we will be coming up later in the year especially for the Discussion Weekend. Certainly if I get any seed I will pass them around.
In the meantime are you aware of the Arisaema Enthusiasts Group? There is a web site at
botu07.bio.uu.nl/Arisaema-L/aeg-membership.htm
It does what it says AND there is a Seed Exchange.
Regards to all
Jim
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At the other end of the world, we are still in seed mode. These two were taken in a magnificent garden near Hobart in Tasmania. The first is Arisaema candidissimum (wish mine would) and the second, A. consanguineum. Incidentally Anne (W) the seed you sent to me of a large fruited form of the latter, is starting to germinate now.
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Essie?
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No Rob, Barry Davidson near Hobart but off the road north to Launceston. Essie's garden is full of interest and some great plants but NOT magnificent nowadays. But she remains a great lady.
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Lesley,
So you did go there. Hope it wasn't too wet at the bottom. The first time I was there I said he should try swamp cypress - and was told they'd just been removed. Did you visit Glenbrook as well?
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At last, our first Arisaema is out. It has been showing a nose for a couple of weeks until Tuesday and then on Wednesday was suddenly in flower.
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Barry's place was VERY wet at the bottom but mainly because he seems to have an unending supply of water, unlike EVERYWHERE else in OZ. I thought his use was quite profligate in view of the major drought everywhere else. The highland areas through the middle of Tas were like a desert. Whose is Glenbrook? I don't recognize the name. We went to Gillanders' place over from Essie's and also to visit Annabel Scott, briefly but were welcomed so warmly in the late evening.
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Lesley,
"Whose is Glenbrook?"
The Davidson's are only a few minutes from Rod Barwick's place. Judging by my garden there should have already been a few narcissus in flower.
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Right, we talked about his place but there wasn't time and we hadn't been able to contact him first anyway.
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Hello David,
Your Griffithii look great. Mine gave leaf but no flower this year. I find them temperamental, too much moisture and they rot.
A few more in flower now Ternatipartitum, Amurense, Sazensoo and Sikokianum. The difference between the last two appears to be the size and shape of the spadix appendix. In Sikokianum it is above the lower lip of the spathe and reminds me of a marshmallow whereas in Sazensoo it is below the lower lip and is slimmer.
Jim
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Made a hash of that Try again
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Third time lucky. This is Ternatipartitum. The others are Ehimense, Amurense, Sazensoo and Sikokianum. Apologies for the errors.
Jim
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You're getting more than a little addicted to these Arisaemas, aren't you, Jim? I do see their attraction, though. It is another of my failings that I am hopeless at identifying them, I know I should sit down and pay more attention to which have tri-part leaves and which the many fingered feathery sort and so on... that would help me for a start... I think I am getting idle......okay, more idle!
Ian was worried yesterday that some of our Arisaemas weren't showing yet.. I told him I thought he was looking in the wrong spots... which he, of course, denied but later he admitted that when he had had a rootle where I said they were, he had found the noses, just emerging! They are a bit late. Our A. griffithii isn't nearly as large this year, I think that is down to being far too dry last season.
PS... note to Carol: my bargain Phalaenopsis is full of flower!!!
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PPS ...when I visit, I'll bring my own marshmallows!! Also, Molly's here and sends her love.
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Hi Maggi,
It would be lovely to have you and Ian visit and we would not allow you to doss under the rhodos!! Cant spell the full name without looking it up. Purdey was a year old yesterday so time flies. Hope you are having lots of fun with Molly, she would be very welcome too.
Love Jim
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Arisaema griffithii and nepenthoides
Hans
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Hans, Nice plants. My Griffithii have only produced leaves this year with no flower. Nepenthoides I lost with all the wet weather, they are quite sensitive to damp.
Jim
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Hello, Folks, I have received an email witha request about info on Arisaema consanguineum... can anyone help, please?
"Hi there.
I'm the President of the Vancouver Shade Garden Society, based in Vancouver, Canada.
We had a presentation on Arisaemas at our monthly meeting last week and one member inquired about whether Arisaema consanguineum ever reproduced by tuberous offsets. The information that I have been able to find doesn't indicate that consangineum will reproduce that way, but I also stumbled across a page from your club's website that mentioned about consanguineum possibly producing tuberous offsets. Can anyone there from your club verify for me whether they have actually managed to get tuberous offsets from a consanguineum and if so, how long it took for the plant to produce them?
Any info you can give me would be very helpful.
Thanks,
Chris Jennings
President
Vancouver Shade Garden Society "
Please post your replies here.
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Arisaema speciosum
Hans
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These plants look really good, but it is not really a plant that I know much about.
Which ones would grow well in Aberdeenshire and where could I lay my hands on some at a competitive price (it's not only Aberdonians that are a wee bit grippy, it spreads right through the 'shire).
I would love some for my garden.
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Can anyone there from your club verify for me whether they have actually managed to get tuberous offsets from (Arisaema) consanguineum and if so, how long it took for the plant to produce them?
I have found that Arisaema consanguineum produces offsets in preference to flowering. Mine were grown from seed in a pot and within 3 years the young tubers had reproduced vegetatively and I had a lot of offsets. After 5 years, still no flowers but dozens of offsets, so I have given them their freedom in the garden in the hope that they might bulk up into flowering size tubers instead of keep dividing.
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I can confirm everything Diane says about production of baby tubers for A. consanguineum, though for me, I have had flowers at 3 years in potted nursery plants from seed. But in the garden it really gets a head of steam up and increases mightily by tubers and also flowers freely at up to 1.5 metres if really happy.
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Which ones would grow well in Aberdeenshire and where could I lay my hands on some at a competitive price (it's not only Aberdonians that are a wee bit grippy, it spreads right through the 'shire).
Ian, they do tend to be quite expensive, although you can sometimes pick up a bargain at a member's sale or autumn bulbil sale. I think the best way to build up a collection is from seed. They are fun to grow from seed and they germinate quite well, although often late in the season when you have given up hope. Although they take 3-5 years to flower, if you are dedicated you can give them a false winter in the fridge for 3 months when they go dormant, and then bring them out into warm conditions again. This will shorten the time to flowering. Seed is always obtainable from the Society seed exchanges, and if you get hooked, there is an internet forum with a seed exchange The Arisaema enthusiast group.
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Thanks Diane, I'll have to see if I can get some seed later in the season.
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Ian, give us a shout - they grow extremely well for us and we are totally obsessed by them thanks to John Amand! Thinking of which he will be at Gardening Scotland and is, usually, selling arisaema corms with noses quite cheaply - we could always pick up some for you from there.
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That would be great Carol, when is Gardening Scotland?
I won't be home until at least the 10th of June.
If he has some reasonably priced cardinocrinums too that would be great.
Drop me an e-mail and we can discuss.
The plants that I got from you were growing really well when I left.
I just hope it has not been too dry at home, Irene's not too great at watering the garden.
She has enough on her plate looking after the girls and keeping the grass cut!
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Gardening Scotland is on at Ingliston from 1st to 3rd June. The Beechgrove Potting Shed Radio programme is recording a session on the Saturday, plus there will be a live broadcast on the Sunday. Ian is to appear on that programme. There'll be lots of plants to buy, Ian M... just as well you will still be offshore, methinks!
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I was just looking at the Jacques Amand website and I think that I may be giving Carol a wee bit of an order.
I liked the look of that one that grows up to 6 feet.
And there were quite a few others coming in at the 3-5 popund mark that I like the look of.
I hope Irene is not reading this.
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Just let us know what you fancy and I promise we will not tell Irene ;) Seriously if any of you are looking for specific plants and can get to Gardening Scotland you will usually find they are on sale there at reasonable prices. In addition you will, if you go looking, find the SRGC stand and can hang about and blether to us and the rest of 'Jo public' and entice them to join the SRGC! At any given time you will find the Bainbridges, the Shaws, the Levens and various other Scottish Rockers! Come along and say hello - the worst thing that is likely to happen is we will send you off to buy a mug of tea for us all at our expense!
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Thanks, Carol, unfortunately I definitely won't be able to make the show this year as I'll still be bobbing about in the north sea.
I would definitely like some tortuosum, grffithi and tryphillum.
I like the taller ones with the coloured stems.
If he has any cardinocrinum and corydalis I would also like some of them.
I was looking to spend around 40 - 50 pounds.
If you could get me some of those mentioned in sets of 3 that would be great.
Any surprises are welcome,
I'll be looking forward to coming up to Dyke for a surprise once I finally get home.
Thanks again Carol, your genorosity knows no bounds.
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Hi Ian
We will do our best, the Arisaemas will need planting pretty quickly - how soon after GS can you visit us, or should we pot up for you?
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I'm not sure at the moment, this job is project based and as we are working so close to 2 platforms a lot of the work is weather dependant. If the wind is blowing in the wrong direction we can't work as we would be blown on to the platform.
Hopefully I'll be home around the 6th, but we'll wait and see how the weather holds out. I'll definitely be able to get to Dyke by 10th, If this changes I'll get back to you.
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I managed to find a pic of the boat that I'm on.
I know it's not exactly a flower, but it is a nice blue colour.
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I'm really thrilled to think that someone who works on this boat, often in appalling conditions and with men who are no doubt nice people but would perhaps be seen by us landlubbers as hard-drinking, macho and rough types, is interested in gardening and plants and can get excited by Arisaema and Meconopsis and the like. As it sometimes said, we're all brothers (and sisters) under the skin. Take care out there Ian.
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Cheers Lesley.
I am very interested in gardening, Irene thinks that I am obsessed.
But to keep your stereotype right I am also your typical macho, rugby playing, hard drinking, tough type (I haven't shaved for over 2 weeks) but I still have a soft spot for good plants.
I also take care of everyone on the ship, I'm the safety coach.
It's a bit like gardening I suppose really, I have to nurture them, some need a wee bit of training and the weeds can be weeded out.
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That's all good Ian. I guess that if you play rugby, much else can be forgiven :D
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Jings. :o Here's my Arisaema (remember them? ::)) griffithii, which I bought last year at Gardening Scotland (big John had left them in the fridge too long, so he was selling them off at £1 each :)).
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I hope you bought a dozen Anthony :)
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I bought 6, but only two made it. I think many people had sifted through them and picked the best before I got there.
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Arisaema flavum tibeticum. This clone doesn't seem to want to set seed.
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Nice though, more height and "presence" than the little abbreviatum form I grow which has a sort of srewed up face. This is a bit more elegant
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Nice plant Anthony, pity about the seed.
A. flavum abbreviatum sets copious seed, I find.
Paddy