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Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: Eric Locke on October 04, 2009, 06:32:12 PM
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Hi all
As we move into a new season, I thought starting a new thread would be welcome.
What better way to start ,than with Pleione Maculata . ::)
This I hope is the first of many.
Eric
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If this is the starting point, Eric, where will it lead with such loveliness :D
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Very nice Eric !! :D
I guess I should try it sometime... sigh...
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Very nice Eric !! :D
I guess I should try it sometime... sigh...
Luc
There are many Pleione more difficult than Maculata, so give it a try.
Only difference with Maculata is that it needs much more heat than any of the others and can be grown indoors all year round .
I keep mine above 15 deg c all year round as it really does not have a rest period.
Eric
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Nice maculata, Eric! Apparently it still has leaves... Are you're still watering the plants? And at what temperature do you keep them now?
Hans
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Hans ,this one is early compared to rest in the pot and has lost it"s leaves.
Another one in the same pot is already producing next years leaves instead of flowering. :o
Yes I am still watering and never completely stop . Temperature is around 20 deg C .
I find these do not rest at all, which can be a problem when re-potting as the new roots start to grow before the old ones die off and this often leads to some unavoidable root damage.
I will re-pot them as soon as the last flower has finished.
Eric
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I've only grown maculata for a year but despite all good advise i grow it in the unheated greenhouse from July until last weekend where it came into the 'conservatry'. The temperature in the greenhouse was down to around 8 degrees celsius at night and as low as 13 during the day. It will spend the time until new growth has started at temperatures between 10 and 202 degrees, then down in the livingroom. Judding from the size of the bulbs and general condition it like the treament.
Kind regards
Lars
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I have grown Maculata in a similar way too Lars, but found that they did well in some years and others all were lost :'( :'( :'(
I find them more reliable if grown indoors all year where they get more attention.
Possible causes of loss - This could be either the temperature or the summer drownings they get by living near the others.
Indoors I water mainly from below but sometimes dribble water down the pot edge. Also mist the leaves.
Eric
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Practically all my plants go outside or to the greenhouse in the summer, which means that plants left indoors tend to be neglegted. Maybe i'll split the pot in two times two bulbs and try one indoors next year.
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Practically all my plants go outside or to the greenhouse in the summer, which means that plants left indoors tend to be neglegted. Maybe i'll split the pot in two times two bulbs and try one indoors next year.
A good place for these is on the bathroom windowsill where they are sure to be seen often. ;)
Also it gets very humid at times too, which they seem to like.
Eric
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Pleione saxicola (september)
Pleione maculata
Pleione Confirmation
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Nice Maxime.
Your Confirmation is very different to any clones I have with it"s very "spidery" flowers.
Another photo of my pale Praecox clone.
Eric
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Your pale clone of praecox is very pretty ! (and so is your maculata anyway)
I got mine this year so i'm going to discover its flower in a few weeks !
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My first clones of Confirmation to open this autumn.
Some of these will darken as the flower ages.
Eric
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Wow, the maculatas (in fact all of those shown here) are just beautiful. Still seems so strange that Pleiones can flower in autumn. Until this forum I never realised there were autumn species. :o
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Great show Maxime and Eric ! :o
I definitely will have to give some Autumn flowering Pleione a shot !
I just brought my Pleione inside for the Winter after they spent their Summer outside. It gave me the chance to give them a closer look and from what is above ground level, for most of them I liked what I saw. :D
Nice fat bulbs, lots of bulbils and a lot of them seem to have multiplied nicely. :D
If this is confirmed at repotting time it will be another confirmation that they do a lot better in a not so hot Summer. We hardly had any temperatures above 30°C this year (as last year) and I'm getting all the more convinced that they like that.
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More photos of Confirmation :)
Eric
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That is an amazing Pleione
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Can I ask what may be a stupid question. Are these autumn flowering? Are the autumn flowerers easy to look after?
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Can I ask what may be a stupid question. Are these autumn flowering? Are the autumn flowerers easy to look after?
Yes Mark these are Autumn flowering and the shots were taken today. ;)
This is a very easy one as it needs no extra heat at any time like eg, Praecox and Maculata do .
Although Praecox needs early heat ,this too is not difficult.
There also other Autumn flowering hybrids that are not difficult which will start to flower soon.
Eric
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Eric,
They're absolutely brilliant!! :o
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More photos of Confirmation :)
Eric
A perfect potful eric !!! 8)
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Just thought I would pass on some information which might help anyone wanting to try Confirmation.
I really struggled with these for a couple of years because I thought, that as the parents were Maculata and Praecox ,they must need some early heat . I therefore tried to grow them in a similar manner to Praecox, which is leaving them in the frost-free greenhouse until late Dec/early Jan and then giving them a min temp of around 8-10deg c through the winter and spring . Surprisingly they did not like this and infact in one year refused to grow untill well into the summer and placed back in the greenhouse. These didn"t go dormant until Feb. :o
I now find they grow very well if left in the greenhouse all year with the usuall 50% moss content as used for most species and re-potted after flowering. Over the past couple of years most bulbs now have either two or three flowering shoots,with the potfull of fifteen flowers containing only seven flowering bulbs.
Eric
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Autumn is defiantely here. Praecox has jsut finsihed and maculata is now in full bloom. Pleione Wharfdale has just started.
Pleione maculata:
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/larsdane/pleione/Pleionemaculata2.jpg)
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/larsdane/pleione/Pleionemaculata1.jpg)
Pleione Wharfdale:
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/larsdane/pleione/Pleionewharfdale1.jpg)
Kind regards
Lars
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Nice Lars
My Wharfdale are several weeks behind yours and are still in growth.These have made huge bulbs of 40 - 50 cms dia this year.
Eric
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WHen i got my Wharfdale, i thought the bulbs was big. They have grown even bigger this year. There are apparently no limit to the size :) The really good thing is that the flowers also are big.
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WHen i got my Wharfdale, i thought the bulbs was big. They have grown even bigger this year. There are apparently no limit to the size :) The really good thing is that the flowers also are big.
Lars it is amazing how large many Pleione bulbs can get if well grown.
Last year I had a Praecox which was over 50mm in dia and in the past had a similar size Rakata that weighed in at over 100 grammes. ::)
Eric
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I got Rataca in the spring and i can see that the new bulb is bigger. I'm generally better at getting many bulbs rather than big bulbs, but something i succeed in getting them big. I've grown a Fuego mounted on a mosscovered rockwool slab and it has grown very well. I'll try more plants mounted next year.
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Autumn is defiantely here. Praecox has jsut finsihed and maculata is now in full bloom. Pleione Wharfdale has just started.
Kind regards
Lars
Wow, that's gorgeous. Lars :D
Really enjoying this thread :)
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Nice Lars
My Wharfdale are several weeks behind yours and are still in growth.These have made huge bulbs of 40 - 50 cms dia this year.
Eric
My Wharfdale just lost its leaf today - no sige of a developping bud yet though... :-\
Gorgeous Pleione Lars !!
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Wonderful, everyone. Thanks. 8)
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Pleione praecox (1 among 5 flowers)
(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/7199/sdc10491s.jpg) (http://img39.imageshack.us/i/sdc10491s.jpg/)
(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/6750/sdc10495q.jpg) (http://img195.imageshack.us/i/sdc10495q.jpg/)
Wharfdale is on my list ::)
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What a beautiful praecox. Much more yellow on the lip than mine. I have Wharfdale for swapping if you're interested.
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I've got my first Pleione, not in flower when I got it. It has survived the summer outside in an open cold frame on sand, and has recently lost is foliage. I suppose it must be a spring flowering one (no indication on label what it is) so should I wait til spring to repot or do it now? Should I keep it dry or wet? Thanks for your patience....
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Hi Chris,
Keep your Pleione completely dry while dormant. You can re-pot it at any time while dormant - in practise this could be any time from around now to the end of February. I usually re-pot all mine in January
Paul
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Paul et al,
I know that the rule is to keep the Pleiones totally dry when dormant, but I have found that in my conditions here (whatever difference that may be), mine do MUCH better if I water them on occasions while dormant. In fact, mine stay outside now all year around and they do well for me, whereas I always found that those that I used to treat "properly" eventually dwindled away for me. Mine may very well be easier types (I really don't know), but for me at least the no watering rule doesn't work and is actually detrimental. I am not allowing any of my plants to read my reference books (or view these forums) so maybe they don't know.
The reason I am mentioning this is just so that if others are finding that the Pleiones are somewhat fussy and difficult for them, try a few in a protected area outside and see how they go. Mine are in pots, not in the ground, but most of them are now multiplying well, whereas they used to go backwards and rarely if ever increase. Yes, this goes against the normal teachings, but if you'd got enough then give it a try. They have done SO much better since I stopped fussing with them.
Just another point of view. If trying Pleione for the first time I would definitely adhere to traditional teachings and keep them dry during dormancy, but if it isn't working out for you after a couple of years try a few outside.... you might be pleasantly surprised. ;D
And for reference, the Pleione I have outside are under a Magnolia, so they don't get heavy winter cover. We get more rain in winter than any other time of year generally, and they well and truly get frosted on (probably to -4'C or so on occasions in that area, possibly lower at times). Yes, this all goes against the books, but for some reason it is working for me for maybe 10 varieties so far. My bigger problem, as I've mentioned elsewhere, is the darn possums deciding that the bulbs are a tasty fruit and having a nibble. :o
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Thanks for your advice, Paul. I'll keep it with my 'do not water' group then. Should I keep it on damp sand or just in a dry tray?
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Chris,
I'll leave it to others to give the advice on that..... after all, it didn't work well for me. ;)
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I grow some Pleione outside in the wet Danish winter. I grow them in the ground and it has worked well for several years, but sometimes all pleione in a particular bed dies over winter. The Danish winter is wet, but it is also windy and i assume that one of the reasons it works is that the surface of the soil dry quickly.
I'll not recomend anyone to give water to plants stored indoors. I have occasinally left plants indoors in damp compost during winter and that usually end in rot and fungus.
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Hi Chris,
I bring my Pleione inside late September - early October and the pots are then left to dry out completely. They do not get any water at all and when I repot, mostly end of January, the compost is bone dry (they are in terra cotta pots). I repot in a (slightly !!) damp mix of bark and moss.
Most of them do ok under these conditions...
Good luck ! ;)
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Thanks Luc. Its under glass now and will dry out. I bought some orchid compost for when I repot it - after Christmas
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Now the first Pleione has started to flower. It is p. var. reichenbachiana.
Edit : see comment by Paul Cumbleton about the naming of this beautiful plant : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6445.msg221724#msg221724 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6445.msg221724#msg221724)
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Very handsome flower Hans !!!
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Very beautiful indeed.
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Looks hand painted the marking is so beautiful Hans :D
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Very nice Hans.
I should have a very interesting Praecox clone to show too in a few days.
Eric
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PLione saxicola is slow to open but worth waiting for.
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/larsdane/pleione/Pleionesaxicola1.jpg)
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/larsdane/pleione/Pleionesaxicola2.jpg)
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/larsdane/pleione/Pleionesaxicola3.jpg)
The first flower of Pleione Sangay.
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/larsdane/pleione/PleioneSangay1.jpg)
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My first Pln. maculata
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Hallo Tomas. I'm very happy to meet next person form Czech on this forum. Your P. maculata lucks very nice.
I add my P. x lagenaria from yesterday. So I think in Chech has started the autumn season now.
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:o So many gorgeous blossoms ... I'm dying of envy ! ;D
LarsB : your saxicola looks better than mine which has a rather closed flower :-\
Additional question : do the winter flowering Pleiones handle warmth for 1 month ? (I have some orchids acclimating so I keep the temp in the veranda around 16°C min at night ... )
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Another Pleione from Burma
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A nearly white praecox and a too early humilis
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What alot of nice Pleione. I find it interesting that Czech plants are a month after us here in Denmark.
That white preacox is really beautiful. There are a lot of praecox clones to wish for.
Maxime: I've also seen several clones of saxicola with flowers that hardly open. I've always assumed that peopel exhibited them too early as they are slow to open fully. How long has yours flowered?
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Lovely photos everyone, really enjoyable, lighting up the grey November days....Hans your white humilis are really gorgeous.
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Wonderful stuf guys !! :o
Never seen Autumn so busy as this year in Pleione.. ! 8)
Glad to say welcome to Tomas another new poster ! Keep posting Tomas, I'm sure you will enjoy yourself here !
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My first Pln. maculata]
Tomas, a warm welcome from Switzerland and congratulations on your beautiful P. maculata...when you say it is your first I imagine you mean from seed? How long did it take to flower?
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Hans - P. humilis in November? Wow - My humilis has still got green leaves. :o
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Karel, my Pleiones are extremely late this year. Some don't want to shed their leaves. i don't know why, as They were grown in exactly the same way as last year when they were much earlier.... ???
Hans
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I brought mine inside just about one month ago - they all lost their leaves by now !
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Mine are almost leafless as well. Only a few clones of Formosanum, grandiflora, and albiflora(?) still have a few leaves left. this is pretty much like every year. But a flowering humilis now is unusual.
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Pale form of P. Confirmation and P. x lagenaria from today.
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Hi Karel
Do you find your x Lagenaria is as vigorous as x Confirmation ?
Eric
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Hi Eric.
I think, there's not many visible differences between Confirmation and x lagenaria. Both grow quite well.
Karel.
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Glad to say welcome to Tomas another new poster !
Thank you, Luc.
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Glad to say welcome to Tomas another new poster !
Thank you, Luc.
A warm welcome from me too Tomas.
Eric
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Tomas, a warm welcome from Switzerland and congratulations on your beautiful P. maculata...when you say it is your first I imagine you mean from seed? How long did it take to flower?
Thank you, Robin. I bought one pseudobulb three years ago, now I have two big pseudobulbs (only...). The second one has bud too.
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A warm welcome from me too Tomas.
Eric
Thanks...
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Fab to see all these Autumn flowering pleiones, sadly prooving to be ungrowable in my wood stove non centrally heated home!
BUT... looking forward to Spring with a FAB order of Pleiones from Maren Talbot at Heritage Orchids, received them in the post 2 days after posting from the UK!!
Great value on the whole as compared to eBay -
Off eBay - Zeus Weinstein Desert Sands for £25 anyone? :-X ::) :o
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Off eBay - Zeus Weinstein Desert Sands for £25 anyone? :-X ::) :o
Also unauthorised use of photo ( Belongs to Edrom nurseries ) >:( Now changed it ,but this one could be too.
Eric
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Hi Chris,
I'm glad you liked the pleiones I sent you. But praise is due to our dear Post Office for getting them to the centre of Bulgaria in just 2 days!!!
My Pln praecox have been going for a month now and there is no end in sight. Every time I look at them it makes me smile. And the perfume is just wonderful.
(http://heritageorchids.co.uk/Pln%20praecox%2002%20-%20small.jpg)
Maren
Marlow, Buckinghamshire, UK
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Off eBay - Zeus Weinstein Desert Sands for £25 anyone? :-X ::) :o
Also unauthorised use of photo ( Belongs to Edrom nurseries ) >:( Now changed it ,but this one could be too.
Eric
Just out of curiosity I was looking to locate this item on e-bay but cannot find it - could somebody post the link please ??
Thanks
Maren,
Great potful of praecox !!
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Hi Maren,
ANother beautiful praecox clone. I get more and more convince that i need to get another. Mine is so borring compared to the other i see posted here.
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Hi Maren,
That's a super pan of praecox, I've got only one bulb which arrived in the spring of this year, flowered it this autumn and must now see if it can survive the winter in my house in leaf!
Luc, here is the link;
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PLEIONE-Zeus-Weinstein-Desert-Sands-orchid-FS-bulb-RARE_W0QQitemZ260507136372QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN?hash=item3ca76f7174
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Can anyone comment on the Ebay suppliers? Have you used any before?
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Luc, here is the link;
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PLEIONE-Zeus-Weinstein-Desert-Sands-orchid-FS-bulb-RARE_W0QQitemZ260507136372QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN?hash=item3ca76f7174
Thanks Chris !
I had been searching on e-bay.com worldwide and for some reason they didn't show !
I keep finding it funny that people on e-bay sell or buy things so much more expensive than you can find them in the regular trade.. ::)
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Mark,
2 months of bidding last winter and I only won one auction for some pinkish clones of 'Shantung'.
9 bulbils for £7.00! They were large bulbils and have performed well this season.
Most of the guys selling are enthusiasts, some are small online nurseries. The problem is I think ( from wanting a bargain point of view ) that those bidding are not always aware that the clones they are bidding on are available in the trade. Currently a raft of clones are selling for substantially more than the retail prices from Maren Talbot, Bob Potterton, Edrom etc etc.
The more unusual clones generally represent the better value, i.e.. those that cost £20 or up from a catalogue!
eBay can be a good source of pleione cultivars but you need to have some idea of commerial availability and pricing if you want to avoid going a bid or two too far!
If nothing else the pursuit of a bargain is a harmless and cheap pastime, it's the winning bit that costs! ;D ;D
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Thanks. This is very similat to people buying ordinary snowdrops on Ebay for 3 or 4 times their value elsewhere
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Thanks. This is very similat to people buying ordinary snowdrops on Ebay for 3 or 4 times their value elsewhere
Prices of Pleione on ebay have gone down a great deal over the past couple of years ,while the prices of Galanthus increase every year .
I have sold many on both. ;D ;D ;D
Last year purchased a pot of Galanthus (3 bulbs) at a show for £3 and sold the following week on ebay for £130. :) :) :)
This would never be possible with Pleione.
Eric
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I agree that e-bay selling prices can be crazy, but as a Pleione fan and one loath to throw away excess bulbils / small bulbs, I now have too many bulbs to cope with. So how to distribute them to those that want them, e-bay is the only readily available method.
It is always nice to make a little profit in order to buy the new expensive varieties , but I would much prefer to swap, even for the other choice plants & bulbs shown on the forum. (I paid £5 for one tiny bulbil of Zeus Weinstein in 1996, now I have hundreds every year!)
I don't know if this forum would allow a wants & surplus available - swap thread?
Pete.
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Pete, I'm sure it is something Maggi would consider so long as it's made clear that we can't cross CITES and or Phytosanitary boundaries!
Eric, now that was a profit and a half eh? I guess from a buying point of view I welcome a price reduction, from a selling point of view......
I have had plants sell way beyond what I believe their commercial value to be, I'm always left with a twinge of guilt, though I guess bidders have the choice not to bid!
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Eric, now that was a profit and a half eh? I guess from a buying point of view I welcome a price reduction, from a selling point of view......
I have had plants sell way beyond what I believe their commercial value to be, I'm always left with a twinge of guilt, though I guess bidders have the choice not to bid!
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Chris- I use ebay as a means of justifying a large amount of plant purchases every year. If I come out even in the end, I am satisfied. As you say it is a "bidders choice not to bid" . Best so far this season is nearly £40 for two rare pleione bulbils. ;)
Eric
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Quote from: Hristo on November 17, 2009, 07:00:42 AM
Off eBay - Zeus Weinstein Desert Sands for £25 anyone?
Also unauthorised use of photo ( Belongs to Edrom nurseries ) Now changed it ,but this one could be too.
Eric
here is the link;
I am a little concerned at advertising an ebay seller who has I think, been shown to pinch other people's photos? The "oxygen of publicity and all that!"
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I don't know if this forum would allow a wants & surplus available - swap thread?
Pete, I'm sure it is something Maggi would consider so long as it's made clear that we can't cross CITES and or Phytosanitary boundaries!
It is something that is being discussed.... an area for Forumists to swap seedlings etc.... it would be up to you all to "behave nicely" and, most assuredly, to observe, as Chris says, all the rules and regulations. The SRGC is not in the habit of law-breaking and we would expect the highest standards of compliance with all international plant regulations if such a Swap Area is initiated within this website.
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Maggi,
Mea culpa! :-X
I guess one hopes not all publicity is good publicity!
I only included the link because Luc wanted to have a look for himself!
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Maggi,
Mea culpa! :-X
I guess one hopes not all publicity is good publicity!
I only included the link because Luc wanted to have a look for himself!
I realise that, Chris, and it is interesting!!! But perhaps best to pm each-other when a seller has been criticised for anything , or it really is rewarding their cheating! :-X
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My best clone of Praecox.
This superb clone has the most enormous flowers growing from huge elongated ,purple bulbs.
Very shy to flower, this is the first flowering for about three years although it still always grows these very large bulbs.
This was amongst a very interesting batch of bulbs imported into Belgium, from China several years ago.
Eric
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It looks like really big flowers, Eric.
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Large bulb too Lars. :)
This is last years bulb and it looks to be much larger this year.
Eric
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Stunning flowers Eric !!
Too bad it doesn't flower reliably :(
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Eric, a super looking clone, my imagination or is it 'long'?
Has an almost Phragmapedium look about it?
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Eric, a super looking clone, my imagination or is it 'long'?
Has an almost Phragmapedium look about it?
Yes Chris it is rather long . Just measured it at 9cm long x 12 cm in width.
Last time this flowered the lip was much more flared. I will look to see if I have a photo of it.
Eric
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Wharfdale Pine Warbler has to be one of the best Autumn flowering hybrids and it certainly brightens up a miserable Autumn day.
Note the friendly bee in the pan that has been pollinating all my Autumn Pleione. I have tried on several occasions removing him to the outside of the greenhouse but he always comes back.
Eric
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Eric,
another FAB looking hybrid, thought about ordering this from the 'Pleiones' catalogue but don't have room on the windowsills! :'(
Is there any variability in the lip exterior within P.WPW?
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Wonderful potful of Wharfedale P.W. Eric !!!
Mine doesn't show a bud yet... :-\
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Eric,
another FAB looking hybrid, thought about ordering this from the 'Pleiones' catalogue but don't have room on the windowsills! :'(
Is there any variability in the lip exterior within P.WPW?
Chris the exterior of the lip does vary with the amount of colouration a fact I had not noticed before.
Intensity of the the red also varies from flower to flower and year to year.
One very nice feature with Pine Warbler is that once it starts to flower it lasts for many weeks unlike most Pleione . Also this clone is very vigorous, makes huge bulbs and multiplies well. All in all I feel this should be in everyones collection as it is a five star plant.
Eric
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I agree, would love to give this clone a home, problem is deciding who would have to give up their place on the windowsill!
Still, natural attrition may help me out for next years round of ordering, failing that a few species can always go in for co-habitation
of a pot. ;)
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Today I took some pictures from Pleione maculata .
I don't know of this name is correct but I bought them with that name ......
Do the name "maculata" refers to the markings on the bulb?
Kris
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Today I took some pictures from Pleione maculata .
I don't know of this name is correct but I bought them with that name ......
Do the name "maculata" refers to the markings on the bulb?
Kris
Hi Chris
Sorry, but these are not Maculata ,but are Praecox, nice though.
Eric
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Thanks Eric ! I had the same problems with the others I have from that supplier ......
Must choose another one......
Kris
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There were other photos in a thread about P. maculata markings, but the pix were loaded from Photobucket and have disapppeared.... I have emailed the Forumist to see if he can repost those photos!
Many of Eric's photos have been removed by him.
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There are many maculata pictures in this thread, including the first post :)
Here's the last of my autumn flowering, Pleione Barcena:
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/larsdane/pleione/PleioneBarcena1.jpg)
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/larsdane/pleione/PleioneBarcena2.jpg)
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/larsdane/pleione/PleioneBarcena3.jpg)
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Very goodlooking potfuls Kris and Lars !!
Thanks for showing.
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Lars - Nice clone of Barcena :). Here is the first flower of mine - another clone from today.
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Also a nice clone, Karel. More colouring to the lips, which is something i like. I might add that mine is darker than the pictures show. I'm just not very good at photography :)
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Karel, Lars, very fine looking Barcena!
Lars, the photos are great, often the camera doesn't quite capture what the eye sees and also no two cameras are them same etc etc!
At the end of the day this is a Plant Forum, not a photography competition, it is clear your plants are very well grown and flower superbly, Bravo!
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Karel, Lars, very fine looking Barcena!
Lars, the photos are great, often the camera doesn't quite capture what the eye sees and also no two cameras are them same etc etc!
At the end of the day this is a Plant Forum, not a photography competition, it is clear your plants are very well grown and flower superbly, Bravo!
Couldn't agree more !!!
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Karel, Lars, very fine looking Barcena!
Lars, the photos are great, often the camera doesn't quite capture what the eye sees and also no two cameras are them same etc etc!
At the end of the day this is a Plant Forum, not a photography competition, it is clear your plants are very well grown and flower superbly, Bravo!
Couldn't agree more !!!
Me too!! 8) The interesting thing is to see what we are growing and how we are getting along......
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I don't think it has anything to do with the clone. It's the culture. I got mine last autumn and and it Barcena flowered in january/february. I grow my plione outside until the first nght frost, which means that it probably had a colder autumn and subsequestly decided that was cold and now it's time to flower. The rest of my autumn flowering are also significantly earlier than many other i've seen on different fora.
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P. praecox have started to flower.
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I love the labellum markings on the second one. Great contrast.
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Today. Wharfedale, Barcena, Sangay
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Very good pictures, Dave and indeed a nice pot of Wharfdale you got there. Do you generally grown them in clay pots? What compost are you using?
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Hi Lars
These were grown in mainly bark and perlite with a little moss but I'm increasing the amount of moss for next year to around 30%.
David
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They look great Dave !!
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Very appealing pots David,
Interesting that you are increasing the % of moss in your mix. After a couple of poor seasons with my Pleione here in BG I resolved my problems in part by increasing the moss % to around 80%! Summer shade temps here reach 30c and humidity levels can be very low so the increased moss proportion retains the moisture they crave whilst keeping airy conditions, this said they still need watering morning and evening through the late spring, summer and early autumn months!
Great to see the winter flowering Pleiones from other growers too, a great tonic for those of us without!
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Very appealing pots David,
Interesting that you are increasing the % of moss in your mix. After a couple of poor seasons with my Pleione here in BG I resolved my problems in part by increasing the moss % to around 80%! Summer shade temps here reach 30c and humidity levels can be very low so the increased moss proportion retains the moisture they crave whilst keeping airy conditions, this said they still need watering morning and evening through the late spring, summer and early autumn months!
Great to see the winter flowering Pleiones from other growers too, a great tonic for those of us without!
Chris - Not sure what it is about Sphagnum moss, but this really does make a big difference in the growing of Pleione . It is amazing how pleione roots always seem to follow the moss around the pan.
I have been gradually increasing the amount used in my mixes for several years. I find that several species will grow much better in a mix containing near 100% use of it. Forrestii and Aurita seem to benifit the most from a near 100% mix with Grandiflora and Chunii not far behind . Most other species grow much better if a minimum of 50% is included. I find it a good idea to grow in fairly deep pots with a more normal pleione mix in the bottom 1/3 and the higher moss content in the rest of the pan.
I always grow all bulbs placed on a moss layer and also wrap a good layer around the pan perimeter too at the same bulb level.
Eric
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Pleione aurita I struggle with and will try a lot more moss this year. Forrestii and Grandiflora I don't find need it and all mine produced good sized bulbs plus good bulbils this year without any moss at all, this could of course be down to the individual watering and the plants getting it when they need it. Moss may just store and supply the water when needed better than bark/perlite mix allowing the plants to take it at critical times. Think I'll take both forrestii and grandiflora and try some in moss and some in bark/perlite next season and monitor the growth and end results.
This year I have loads of very tiny bulbils from both chunii and humilis which so far seem in good condition but I'm not sure of the best way to cultivate them. Last year was the same but I suffered heavy loses with both of them and only a few bulbils survived. Any ideas?
David
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Merry Christmas everybody ! ;D (and then a happy new year of course ::) )
(http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs066.snc3/13370_1315561409347_1240075048_933233_4962397_n.jpg)
Pleione Sangay
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Dave, this year I had, initially, good results in growing P. humilis bulbils on top of very finely cut moss. Uncut moss has too much space for the tiny roots to anchor. I did't see much difference between bulbils grown in Sphagnum and a less water-retaining moss from my garden.
Still they were lost by end of summer...I don't know what happened...they simply vanished ???
Next year I'll try again. I have lots of bulbils from different clones. P. humilis is my favorite Pleione..
A nice Christmas to all of you!
Hans
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Hello, and Merry Christmas to all. ;D
About sphagnum moss, I guess the difference lies in the fact that living sphagnum moss is naturally bactericide and fungicide due to its acidity, plus it tends to ensure ventilation.
On the other hand, I noticed here that once it was dead (which happens quite often due to its low tolerance to fertilizers), it becomes a risk because of rotting.
On the chapter of too small bulbils, I know it's not an orthodox method :D but I tend to flask them.
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Sjusovare
I've tried re flasking them after sterilising the bulbils first but find I always get contamination, any tips? The contanimation is coming from the bulbils themselves as I don't have any with seed sown flasks now.
David
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I agree with all of the above. Pln humilis bulbils grow quite well for me if buried in finely chopped New Zealand moss and watered very, very carefully from below or with a mister from above. They take an age to grow to any reasonable size and about 4 - 6 years to flower, well, for me anyway. ;)
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Happy New Year 2010!
Karel.
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Happy New Year to you all. Nice Wharfdale.
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Happy Pleione year everyone !!! :D
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hello,
I just searched the forum for Pln. Confirmation, and found your posting in 2009,
but unfortunately there was no pic to find.
do you still have that clone and do you have a pic?
enjoy Christmas.
best wishes from Berlin Germany,
Dieter
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hello,
I just searched the forum for Pln. Confirmation, and found your posting in 2009,
but unfortunately there was no pic to find.
do you still have that clone and do you have a pic?
enjoy Christmas.
best wishes from Berlin Germany,
Dieter
Hey, Dieter.... there is a photo of Pln Confirmation here:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5295.msg166234#msg166234 if that is any help to you.
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tks Maggi
Merry Christmas