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Plant Identification => Plant Identification Questions and Answers => Topic started by: Luc Gilgemyn on July 07, 2009, 05:27:53 PM

Title: Rhodophiala elwesii
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on July 07, 2009, 05:27:53 PM

I need some more help...

This was sown as Rhodophiala elwesii - in which case it should have been yellow I believe...

It clearly isn't.
Any ideas of what it really is ??

Thanks for any help !

Title: Re: Rhodophiala elwesii
Post by: David Nicholson on July 07, 2009, 05:43:37 PM

R. advena possibly Luc ???

Title: Re: Rhodophiala elwesii
Post by: johnw on July 07, 2009, 08:13:48 PM

Quote from: Luc Gilgemyn on July 07, 2009, 05:27:53 PM

I need some more help...

This was sown as Rhodophiala elwesii - in which case it should have been yellow I believe...

It clearly isn't.
Any ideas of what it really is ??

Thanks for any help !

Luc - Some elwesii from JJA are pale yellow, some yellow and pale salmon and asome with slightly more salmon than yellow.  A few here in bloom plus auracana JJA (????) just about to open. Can send a shot if needed and seed when ripe.

johnw

Title: Re: Rhodophiala elwesii
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 07, 2009, 09:35:36 PM

This looks what I have under a BCW number (lost). I have a dozen seedlings and the first was pale yellow and others were this colour and variously striped lemon/yellow,pinkish/salmon. Maybe some hybrid blood?

Title: Re: Rhodophiala elwesii
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on July 08, 2009, 08:57:42 AM

Thanks for the ideas everyone !

This is from srgc seed - so no idea about origin.

John,
Could you possibly post some pix of yours for comparison.

I must add the colour of thise is more towards red than salmon - the pictures are not 100%

Title: Re: Rhodophiala elwesii
Post by: johnw on July 08, 2009, 12:00:27 PM

Quote from: Luc Gilgemyn on July 08, 2009, 08:57:42 AM

Thanks for the ideas everyone !

This is from srgc seed - so no idea about origin.

John,
Could you possibly post some pix of yours for comparison.

I must add the colour of thise is more towards red than salmon - the pictures are not 100%

Here a pale yellow Rhodophiala elwesii (ex cw JJA  - collected wild Jim & Jenny Archibald seed) from last year Luc. The stigma looks different.

johnw

Title: Re: Rhodophiala elwesii
Post by: Hans J on July 08, 2009, 12:30:09 PM

Luc ,

nice plants !
How long from sowing to flowers ?

Title: Re: Rhodophiala elwesii
Post by: johnw on July 08, 2009, 05:22:10 PM

Luc - And a couple more Rhodophiala elwesii  from today. The salmon parts are looking quite pink, we have had but a few hours of sun in the last month, the yellow almost ivory. The first flower shown and from the same seed lot has broader petals than the others, a little odd looking - hybridity or natural variation?.

johnw

Title: Re: Rhodophiala elwesii
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on July 10, 2009, 08:07:02 AM

Thanks again John - it seems to remain a mystery as to what it is exactly - I guess it must be a hybrid.
Very nice specimen you posted !!  :)

Hans,
It was grown from AGS seed (not SRGC as I wrote earlier) sown in December 2006.

Title: Re: Rhodophiala elwesii
Post by: Hans J on July 10, 2009, 08:13:46 AM

 :o :o :o

Luc ....it is for me unbelievable ....in 3 years  ::)
you must have a perfect treatment for this bulbs !

Title: Re: Rhodophiala elwesii
Post by: johnw on July 10, 2009, 12:19:52 PM

Quote from: Hans J on July 10, 2009, 08:13:46 AM

:o :o :o

Luc ....it is for me unbelievable ....in 3 years  ::)
you must have a perfect treatment for this bulbs !

And for me as well. I think mine took 6-7 years to flower.

johnw

Title: Re: Rhodophiala elwesii
Post by: Maggi Young on July 10, 2009, 03:46:15 PM

Hey! Hans, John,
 I know Luc's secret....... he feeds his flowers Belgian chocolate... that is why they grow so well!    ;D ;)

Title: Re: Rhodophiala elwesii
Post by: johnw on July 11, 2009, 12:26:37 AM

Quote from: Maggi Young on July 10, 2009, 03:46:15 PM

Hey! Hans, John,
 I know Luc's secret....... he feeds his flowers Belgian chocolate... that is why they grow so well!    ;D ;)

I know too well the hazards of entering one of the many shops called Leonidas in Antwerp.  One could well become rather bulbous in a hurry.

johnw

Title: Re: Rhodophiala elwesii
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on July 12, 2009, 10:20:42 AM

Quote from: johnw on July 11, 2009, 12:26:37 AM

Quote from: Maggi Young on July 10, 2009, 03:46:15 PM

Hey! Hans, John,
 I know Luc's secret....... he feeds his flowers Belgian chocolate... that is why they grow so well!    ;D ;)

I know too well the hazards of entering one of the many shops called Leonidas in Antwerp.  One could well become rather bulbous in a hurry.

johnw

Actually, there should be no misunderstanding - it wasn't me that grew these - it was my dear friend and lurker Luc II who some might remember from previous posts...
I doubt it wether he would be feeding chocolate to his bulbs... he likes to eat it himself  ;D ;D  as we Belgians all do...  ::)  ... and not only Belgians for that matter...  ;)

Anyway, he rechecked his recodrds and did confirm decmber 2006 as being the sowing date
 ??? :-\

Title: Re: Rhodophiala elwesii
Post by: Rogan on July 15, 2009, 11:44:53 AM

You can certainly get R. bifida to flower in three years from seed, but then again it is an easy species and I happen to live in a warm, temperate climate...  8) ...would I only have such success with R. bagnoldii!

Title: Re: Rhodophiala elwesii
Post by: Paul T on July 15, 2009, 12:35:11 PM

Rogan,

Rhodophiala bagnoldii is one I have yet to get, although I have loved the pics I have seen of it.  I have flowered chilense from seed, but it was certainly well more than 3 years, that is for sure.  I'm growing a few species from seed, when I can find them.  I can barely believe it is possible for any of them in 3 years.... I can guarantee it isn't possible in my climate without some serious climate adjustment. ;D