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Plant Identification => Plant Identification Questions and Answers => Topic started by: Hristo on July 02, 2009, 08:16:54 AM

Title: Pyrolirion ID
Post by: Hristo on July 02, 2009, 08:16:54 AM

Again grown from AGS seed exchange material, received as Pyrolirion aureum, this is I think a variation of species tubiflorum.
Flowers in summer after heavy rains following extended period of heat and low rainfall.
Any help in confirming ID as P.tubiflorum var aureum or alternatives greatly appreciated!
Cheers
Hristo

Title: Re: Pyrolirion ID
Post by: Paul T on July 02, 2009, 09:13:17 AM

Chris,

So this is another of the "rainlilies" then?  I don't recall the genus.  Nice thick substance to the flowers by the look of it.  Can't help with ID obviously enough, given I haven't even heard of the genus.  ::)

Title: Re: Pyrolirion ID
Post by: Hristo on July 02, 2009, 09:23:21 AM

Hi Paul,
There is surprisingly little info or pics out on the net, only a painting on the IBS and nothing in the PBS!  :(

Title: Re: Pyrolirion ID
Post by: Afloden on July 02, 2009, 03:50:48 PM

P. aureum, when it was P. aureum and then Z. aurea was placed in synonymy with Z. tubiflora. Now that they are treated as distinct genera again P. aurea is simply P. tubiflora due to priority, no varieties, but. var. flammeum is supposed to be flame colored, no other qualifying characters given (this would doubtfully still be recognized today).  If it is P. tubilfora it will have toothed scales in the throat of the flower- "perianth throat with scales within." P. flava does not have scales in the throat.

 Hope this helps.

 Aaron Floden
 Knoxville, TN
 UT Herbarium

Title: Re: Pyrolirion ID
Post by: Hristo on July 02, 2009, 05:21:34 PM

Cheers for that inormation Aaron, I shall check on the flowers tomorrow when they open again.

Title: Re: Pyrolirion ID
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 02, 2009, 09:56:50 PM

Z = Zephranthes?

A lovely thing anyway. You'll be hand-pollinating Chris.  :)

Title: Re: Pyrolirion ID
Post by: Hristo on July 03, 2009, 06:21:51 AM

Hi Lesley,
Yes and maybe, the bees do a great job with this species!  ;)

Title: Re: Pyrolirion ID
Post by: Hristo on July 03, 2009, 10:42:09 AM

Aaron,
Had a look and can't see any scales, cluse up attached.
Cheers
Chris

Title: Re: Pyrolirion ID
Post by: Hristo on July 04, 2009, 06:17:04 AM

Hi all,
For those interested I had a message from our S.American expert and this plant matches well to Zephyranthes filifolia, if you google it there are pics out there to compare to! Thanks Alberto!
Chris.

Title: Re: Pyrolirion ID
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 04, 2009, 10:03:22 PM

Quote from: Hristo on July 03, 2009, 10:42:09 AM

Had a look and can't see any scales,

well it's not a fish, for heaven's sake. ;D

(but a lovely colour on a beautiful flower).

Title: Re: Pyrolirion ID
Post by: Hristo on July 05, 2009, 12:21:30 PM

Yes Lesley, flowers, scales, all sounds far too fishy? ;)
They are attractive, they flower on mass, for one day, and that's yer lot!
Bad luck if you have gone away for the weekend I guess.....

Title: Re: Pyrolirion ID
Post by: Paul T on July 05, 2009, 01:09:45 PM

Chris,

Try Zephyranthes minima.... only open for a few hours.  I grew it for years before I ever happened to be home/in the area/looking right at it when a flower was open.  :o   At least yours has a decent sized flower.... Z. minima isn't even 1cm across. ::)

Title: Re: Pyrolirion ID
Post by: Hristo on July 05, 2009, 02:43:27 PM

Paul, this seems like some kind of Japanese Flower sub-culture, Zen and the art of briefly flowering South American Bulbs maybe?  :D ;)
I wonder, are these flowers for hyperactive insects with short attention spans? Bombus lucorum ssp ADHD perhaps?

Title: Re: Pyrolirion ID
Post by: Paul T on July 06, 2009, 01:23:58 AM

Chris,

If you would like to achieve this particular Zen, I can easily send you some bulbs of the minima when I'm sending the O. dubium.  ;D

Title: Re: Pyrolirion ID
Post by: Hristo on July 06, 2009, 08:05:45 AM

Thank you o Zen bulb master, I would humbly accept such a gift of learning! I imagine a party, with a very frim arrival time, 5 minutes late and you have missed the whole point of the party! :D :D