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General Subjects => Alpines => Topic started by: Sinchets on July 01, 2009, 08:08:31 AM
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Flowering now- excuse the lack of close-ups- the camera doesn't like this colour- although I do!
Delphinium cardinale and
Ipomopsis aggregata macrosiphon
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Nice red coloured Delphinium Simon ! :o
Don't know about others, but in my garden there's very little red around at this time of year.. a lot of blue though... every season seems to have it's main colour here :-\
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Nice red coloured Delphinium Simon ! :o
Don't know about others, but in my garden there's very little red around at this time of year.. a lot of blue though... every season seems to have it's main colour here :-\
Yes, Luc ... in the U.K. it is green! :D
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Well that's a surprise Cliff ! ;) 8)
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What a great colour, Simon, red hot and gorgeous - i have never seen a Delphinium this colour before (competition for Cliff's poppies ;D )
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Flowering now- excuse the lack of close-ups- the camera doesn't like this colour- although I do!
Delphinium cardinale and
Ipomopsis aggregata macrosiphon
I'm with you, Simon, I love the colour on these :D
How are you growing them? Are they reliably perennial or do you need to re-start from seed each year?
cheers
fermi
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I'm keenly interested to hear the answer too, re. Ipomopsis m
iacrosiphon! (Used to be Gilia aggregata var. macrosiphon...)
I bought a couple of seedlings in 2006; they bloomed a little in 2007, were spectacular all season long in 2008, and are AWOL this year!
I'm devastated...
RIP, Ipomopsis macrosiphon.
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The information I could find was that Ipomopsis aggregata is a biennial. The two forms I have were grown from seed last year, they overwintered as rosettes (which I believe can be a problem in wet winter climates) and flowered this year. The first one I had- a pinker form has already been and gone. The red one is in full flower now. I intend to collect some seed as insurance and see if I can get the rest to self sow into the scree bed where the parents are. Ithink they may be shortlived perennials in some areas. The Ipomopsis longiflora I posted is said to be a biennial too, it flowered last autumn as well as this summer. I think they may be plants which 'flower themselves to death'.
I am not sure if the Delphinium will be perennial either. The seeds germinated last sping. They were planted out and went dormant over the summer. The rosettes overwintered under snow and one patch of them is now flowering. I think the other group I planted may be intoo dry a position, but i have more pots from this springs germinations waiting to be planted. It would be lovely if they were perennial, but from seed to 2m tall and flowering in 18months isn't too bad. I am hoping that will they self sow too, but will also save seeds for sowing next year.
They both seem wonderful plants for a continental or mediterranean type climate. Have you grown them in Australia Fermi?
It does seem strange the name change from macro to microsiphon- surely it's one thingor the other ???
Flowering now:
Geranium renardii
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They both seem wonderful plants for a continental or mediterranean type climate. Have you grown them in Australia Fermi?
Sadly, no!
But I have got Delphinium luteum to flower and self sow in the shadehouse; maybe this year it's time to try it in a raised bed outside.
I have grown one of the Ipomopsis which I posted to the Forum a long time ago but it looks to be monocarpic_ I just hope that it's self fertile and some of the seed will germinate.
cheers
fermi
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Simon, Geranium renardii is a lovely plant for the leaf shape and colour and the way it forms a hummock and although the flower is pale each one has wonderful markings and the both the CU and side view photo show it beautifully :)
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Thanks, Robin- the camera likes flowers with good contrast of colours.
Fermi, how cold are you in winter there?
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Sorry, Simon - the "microsiphon" was a spelling error on my part; should have been "macrosiphon".
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Sorry, Simon - the "microsiphon" was a spelling error on my part; should have been "macrosiphon".
No worries then- I make enough of those too ;)
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Thanks for the info/observations on the ipomopsis, Simon.
In the crevice garden and troughs....
1) A baby Catananche caespitosa
2) Heterotheca jonesii
3) Saponaria suendermannii... not blooming so heavily this year as previously. (I don't get it... for once, the plants get snow cover... you'd think they'd be happy!)
4) Asperula gussonei
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I tried Delphinium cardinale some years ago but it always died after flowering, rather like the little red nudicaule, and rarely set seed so I lost it altogether after 3 or 4 years.
The form of Asperula gussonii we have is a much deeper pink than your Lori. I quite like that almost white.
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Flowering now:
Geranium renardii
this is really nice--flowers slightly similar to my native geranium, but these leaves are really choice--remind me of scented pelargonium
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Fermi, how cold are you in winter there?
well, it been a bit chilly as the heater's on the blink ;D
Outdoors I think the coldest it's gotten has been down to -7oC.. The delpiniums have been in pots in the shadehouse which gives some protection but it isn't frost proof.
Here's a link to where I posted a pic in reply #18: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2510.15 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2510.15)
cheers
fermi
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I've only ever read about Catananche caespitosa- nice to see it almost 'in the flesh'- thanks Lori.
The leaves on G.renardii are quite distinct- makes you wonder if they are one of a kind or there are other similar species out there.
Fermi, great link- the D.luteum was ice- but the rest of your garden was WOW. I had D.luteum for a while it seeded around an alpine house before vanishing. I have D.nudicaule coming on from seed. They were said to be collected at a higher altitude and may be hardier than the usual type, but I have yet to find out. The D.cardinale here was certainly frosted a few times between snowfalls and after onlast snow melt, but it picked itself back up each time. They always say young plants are tougher than older ones so I wait to see what will happen over this winter.
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I've found D. nudicaule short-lived (and prone to being lost when it is impinged on by more vigorous plants) but not tender*.... they are hardy here.
*I can't say what the sources of those seeds were... just from run-of-the-mill garden seed catalogues.
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Simon, Geranium renardii is a lovely plant for the leaf shape and colour and the way it forms a hummock and although the flower is pale each one has wonderful markings and the both the CU and side view photo show it beautifully :)
I find that every time I go near G. renardii I have to stroke the leaves. They are just so soft and tactile. It and Pelargonium reniiforme (spelling?) have that same velvet quality that I just can't resist. ::) Sad, I know. Absolutely no willpower it would appear. :o
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Well if growing plants doesn't make us happy in one way or another why bother growing them. ;) I agree with you that some plants just need to be touched as well as looked at.
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Yes I agree that G. renardi has leaves that ask to be touched,, and so has Eriophyton wallichii, which is flowering right now. :)
The others are Olsynium biflorum and Sedum dumulosum (syn Rhodiola dumulosa) and Penstmoen fruticosus scouleri albus. I think the Olsynium have another name now, but I can't remember it.
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All fabulous and seldom seen plants Magnar !!!
The Olsynium looks superb !! :o :o :o
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Thank you Luc, I can't show "everyday plants" to all you experienced plants people on the forum, can I . ;)
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They always say young plants are tougher than older ones so I wait to see what will happen over this winter.
This is quite true, just as it is true that cuttings are easier to root from young or VERY young plants, than from old ones. Particularly true of the genus Rhododendron. I used to have issues with a nurseryman I knew who took all his cuttings from the young plants he had in his sales area, leaving the plants for sale often devoid of much new growth, to the consternation of prospective buyers.
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I find that every time I go near G. renardii I have to stroke the leaves. They are just so soft and tactile. It and Pelargonium reniiforme (spelling?) have that same velvet quality that I just can't resist. ::) Sad, I know. Absolutely no willpower it would appear. :o
Buy a soft, velvet cloak for Yvonne. :D
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Pheiophleps biflora. :)
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That Eriophyton wallichii makes me swoon, Magnar! It's wonderful!
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Pheiophleps biflora. :)
Yes, Thank you, Lesley :)
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That Eriophyton wallichii makes me swoon, Magnar! It's wonderful!
Yes I like it very much and so did the visitors to the garden today.
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That Eriophyton wallichii makes me swoon, Magnar! It's wonderful!
Yes I like it very much and so did the visitors to the garden today.
I'm not surprised everyone likes it.... so unusual to see this grown outdoors, Magnar.
Surely one of the softest, furriest plants ever...... especially the very grey type you show. There are greener forms which are not nearly so soft.
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One of my favourite furry plants is Pelargonium tomentosum. Large, green, velvety leaves and a wonderful minty scent.
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Roma,
Yes, I used to have htat as well, but it grows just a little too healthily here, and tried taking over a couple os square metres. I love the scent as well, and the lovely furry leaves.... but it had to go. ::)
Magnar,
That Eriophyton wallichii is amazingly furry by the looks of it. And the Olsynium (another thing I have only ever seen here on the forums) is amazing. Thank you!!
Lesley,
Cloak sounds like a nice idea. ;D
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1, 2) Penstemon speciosus var. kennedyi
3) Eriogonum flavum
4) Oxytropis monticola
5) Seedpods of Physaria didymocarpa
6) Anthemis marschalliana
7) Spiraea decumbens
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Lori,
Cute little Spiraea. I'm glad you put some description in at the beginning for your Physaria didymocarpa, I was about to ask whether they were leaves or buds, until I read that they were the seedpods. Fascinating!!
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magnar--great stuff! as usual... love the sedum/rhodiola
lori--i saw some really nice clumps of eriogonum south of drumheller; only posted a little one from first site so far..
the physaria seedpods are cool..hopefully i get back out west i time to see them..
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Could it be? :o
Dare I hope against all odds that that this might be a real, live Penstemon whippleanus, that has just started to open today... ? The penstemons I show on the map in the same vicinity are P. rydbergii and P. davidsonii, both of which are in different penstemon sections, and neither of which fits in general terms...
And this one seems to show the long, tapering calyx lobes ("leafy appearance"), long lower corolla lobe, golden-bearded staminode, inflorescence nodding in bud...
It's dark now, so I'll have to key it out tomorrow... but... :D
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Pardon me, since none of these is really in the rock garden, but they are sort of rock garden-ish... ?
1) Antirrhinum sempervirens is starting to bloom. (I remain quite amazed that it's proven to be hardy here.)
2) Scutellaria orientalis ssp. alpina
3) Scutellaria alpina
4) Penstemon barbatus (shown here with Allium moly) are starting to bloom throughout the front yard in their many colours.
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Great Scutellarias, :) I never get them to flower as nicely as yours do.
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Thank you, Magnar!
1) Penstemon grandiflorus. I haven't keyed out the possible P. whippleanus yet, but I did this one... although I suppose it was a fairly obvious one, given the exaggerated flowers! Nonetheless, I started from scratch... (I'm utterly amazed that it is possible to do so... the Key to the Genus Penstemon by Robin and Kenneth Lodewick is an astounding work! It's just an amateur opinion, needless to say, but they are among my most respected heroes of botany!)
Also, I'm impressed that the small specialty garden center I've gotten various penstemons from, evidently takes pains to ensure that their stock is labelled correctly (not just from this one, but from others I've keyed out). Bravo!
2) Here's a photo of the anther sacs, showing they are glaucous, navicular (boat-shaped), and open all the way across the connective (the center part where the stamen joins at the back) and to the ends. It also shows (less clearly) that the staminode (in the center of the photo) is expanded at the tip (to 2mm). From examination with a 10x hand lens, the staminode has a stubbly beard. Anyway, there is the starting point of penstemon identification... the shape of the anther sacs, which leads one to the penstemon group, and thence, eventually, to the actual species. Wow!
3) Eriogonum schockleyi... just planted this spring (so I can't claim to have actually grown it yet. :))
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How wonderful to have a small specialist garden centre near you with fine quality plants - here in Valais there is no such thing (not that I have found anyway) Your Penstemon grandiflorus is such a pretty pink, Lori, what about the outcome of your Penstemon whippleanus? I love the colour....
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In the same boat as you here, Robin. The nearest decent plant nurseries are probably the ones in Central Europe a few days drive away. On the otherhand growing from seed is rewarding. ;)
Flowering here now a couple of xeric thyme relatives and a 'real' thyme:
Micromeria lasiophylla- these are self sown and I am hoping will be tougher than their parent. The orginal seeds were listed as being collected at 2250m on Mt Teide, Tenerife.
Micromeria graeca- originally from AGS seed
Thymus pulegioides- a species native to drier parts of the garden here- with lovely lemon scented foliage.
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Thyme pic has not come through, Simon :'(
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lovely things that obviously enjoy drought!!!!!
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Cloak sounds like a nice idea. ;D
Well I thought you'd like to stroke it, with Yvonne inside. :)
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The yellow Scutellaria is superb Lori. It takes me right back to Greece where it bloomed in gravel drifts at the side of the mountain roards. I used to grow it well too in a warmer garden but here, I can't even get the seed to germinate. Thomas H has sent me two lots and not a sausage. :(
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Pardon me, since none of these is really in the rock garden, but they are sort of rock garden-ish... ?
1) Antirrhinum sempervirens is starting to bloom. (I remain quite amazed that it's proven to be hardy here.)
2) Scutellaria orientalis ssp. alpina
3) Scutellaria alpina
4) Penstemon barbatus (shown here with Allium moly) are starting to bloom throughout the front yard in their many colours.
the scutellarias are nice--love the green! i photographed wild Stachys today, but havent seen the native Scutellaria yet this year..
i sowed Allium moly last year, with no results...lol
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Thank you, Magnar!
Also, I'm impressed that the small specialty garden center I've gotten various penstemons from, evidently takes pains to ensure that their stock is labelled correctly (not just from this one, but from others I've keyed out). Bravo!
Anyway, there is the starting point of penstemon identification... the shape of the anther sacs, which leads one to the penstemon group, and thence, eventually, to the actual species. Wow!
3) Eriogonum schockleyi... just planted this spring (so I can't claim to have actually grown it yet. :))
some impressive keying work, lori :)
which garden centre is that?
love the eriogonum! as i do, i think, most of them! but flat and silver is very good for me :)
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Which Scutellaria would that be, Cohan? I have S.resinosa, but I am not sure if that onegets as far north as you. Are you still interested in Scutellaria, Lesley? Hopefully off on a sed hunting day to the limestone slopes where S.orientalis grows (Big River Gorge).
Flowering now:
Ptilostemon casabonae- if there are plants outside the gates of hell this might be one of them ;)
Dianthus nardiformis- a Bulgarian native with a very long flowering season- midway through now- but it will rebloom in autumn.
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:o :o Ptilostemon casabonae is cool, but nasty!! 8) Nice Verbascum in the background too by the looks of it. :)
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Lots of thistle type plants popping up in rocks and dry places here - insects love them!
the Dianthus nardiformis has very pretty edging on the petals and I love that colour with the silver leaves, Simon :)
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I really do like thistles and cornflowers- fantastic for butterflies.
The Verbascum made its own way into the garden- we have quite a few locall,y but I don't have a good enough key to work outall but the more obvious ones. There are some fantastic ones down south in the Rodopi mountains I hope to find soon. :P
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Which Scutellaria would that be, Cohan? I have S.resinosa, but I am not sure if that onegets as far north as you. Are you still interested in Scutellaria, Lesley? Hopefully off on a sed hunting day to the limestone slopes where S.orientalis grows (Big River Gorge).
Flowering now:
Ptilostemon casabonae- if there are plants outside the gates of hell this might be one of them ;)
Dianthus nardiformis- a Bulgarian native with a very long flowering season- midway through now- but it will rebloom in autumn.
great thistle! i saw a huge one from the car the other day--single head a couple inches or more across and hot magenta...not sure if thats C vulgare or something else... its a road nearby that seems to have different flora than any other road i travel--i've actually seen what seems to be some bedrock poking out--might just be large erratics--but thats really unheard of around here.. so maybe some spots with shallow soils, would like to try to get there to look around...also potentilla fruticosa, which i had never seen wild nearer than the foothills..
looking forward to the fruits of your trips...
the Scutellaria is S galericulata/epilobiifolia..its a marsh plant -'10-80cm' tall, my book says, if i remember right, around here its usually somewhere in the middle of that..nice long violet flowers, but not densely packed spikes..very pretty, though the Stachys (S palustris) is probably a bit showier..
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Simon, yes, I'd be very intersted in S. orientalis and alpina but especially the former. I just love that plant. Used to grow it well.
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Gentiana algida flowering after 4 years.
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Gentiana algida flowering after 4 years.
do you mean it did not flower for 4 years? or its 4 years from seed? either way, it looks like its worth the wait :)
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Superb Magnar !! :o :o
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1) Gypsophila silenoides, now in full bloom, forming a haze of white flowers; it would probably be more compact in full sun, and I will eventually move it there... when I figure out a space for it.
2) Silene saxifraga, still going strong.
3) I've gotten a much better appreciation lately for the many beautiful sempervivum cultivars that are available and have added a few in the last couple of years... Sempervivum x 'Ruby Heart'. I can almost imagine some of them to be tiny agaves...
4) Sempervivum x 'Bronco'
5) Sempervivum x 'Blue Boy'
6) An old unknown sempervivum that is, nonetheless, a favourite for its very large rosettes.
Oh, and I keyed out the purple penstemon... I'm delighted that it seems to match P. whippleanus! :D
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Gentiana algida flowering after 4 years.
do you mean it did not flower for 4 years? or its 4 years from seed? either way, it looks like its worth the wait :)
I mean it took four years from the seeds germinated and till I have the first flower.
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13) I've gotten a much better appreciation lately for the many beautiful sempervivum cultivars that are available and have added a few in the last couple of years... Sempervivum x 'Ruby Heart'. I can almost imagine some of them to be tiny agaves...
4) Sempervivum x 'Bronco'
5) Sempervivum x 'Blue Boy'
6) An old unknown sempervivum that is, nonetheless, a favourite for its very large rosettes.
Oh, and I keyed out the purple penstemon... I'm delighted that it seems to match P. whippleanus! :D
great colour on blue boy--almost like an echeveria.. unusually long leaves on the last one! i recently got a couple of packages of tiny semps from europe...they are potted and recovering from the mailing....lol first set are starting to show true character now... great colours and forms...
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Gentiana algida flowering after 4 years.
do you mean it did not flower for 4 years? or its 4 years from seed? either way, it looks like its worth the wait :)
I mean it took four years from the seeds germinated and till I have the first flower.
What an exquisite flower, Magnar, the spotting on the white trumpet is so delicate
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The yellow Scutellaria is superb Lori. It takes me right back to Greece where it bloomed in gravel drifts at the side of the mountain roards. I used to grow it well too in a warmer garden but here, I can't even get the seed to germinate. Thomas H has sent me two lots and not a sausage. :(
Hi Lesley ,the yellow Scutellaria orientalis ssp. alpina grows and flowers with the greatest ease
here in my rockgarden , almost too vigorous . Pity I'm not allowed to send you a piece to NZ.
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Seeds Otto?
The Gentiana algida is a lovely form of it. I don't have it now but when I did, the spotting was much heavier and less attractive though I gues any form is well worthwhile. Yours Magnar, has a real delicacy about it. If I remember rightly, mine was a plant sent from Kazuo Mori in Japan, way back in the 1960s.
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1, 2) Penstemon secundiflorus
2) Gentiana parryi
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What a lovely colour and shape your Penstemon secundiflorus is, Lori, and it looks beautiful with the silver leaf :)
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Lori,
That Penstemon is special!! Interesting form and leaves to it. Quite unlike me experiences of the genus. Lovely!
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While we're discussing Scutellaria, could people take a look at these and confirm names or suggest possibilities? These were photographed just after I purchased them last November. Would like to find out what they were/if they were correctly labeled. As we're already thinking about the genus i thought it might be worth asking. I hope no-one minds, as they aren't "flowering in the open rock garden" here, that is for sure. ;D
Please click on the pic for a larger version
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Scutellaria - purple and white
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Scutellaria - white with mauve lip
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Scutellaria alpina albocorvalena
The first two are my own names for identification, the last one is what I bought it as. I'm hoping they'll survive my winter and come on back next year. These are the only ones I grow, except for a beautiful deep lobelia-blue one (Scutellaria formosa from memory?), which I have been told won't survive winter here but I couldn't help myself and I had to try it anyway. ::) None of these are as fancy as that gorgeous golden one that Lori posted a pic of a couple of pages back. I'm hoping mine will end up developing a good clump, because I have rather liked Scutellaria when I have seen them, but never grown them before this summer.
Thanks for any info. 8)
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Paul, the Scutellaria alpina albocorvalena is a beautiful colour, so subtle.
Paddy
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I enjoy all the great pics in this thread.
Here are some from more from the north:
Centaurea bagadensis just opening it's decorative brown buds.
Potentilla nitida being more floriferous this year than ever before
Dicentra peregrina alba flowering for me for the first time
Gentiana atuntsienses
Calceolaria uniflora
Corydalis panda
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Paul, bearing in mind that I know little about scutellaria ( :(), I suggest that the first two may be different cultivars/selections of S. alpina, based on what can be seen of the leaf shape.
Magnar, absolutely fabulous plants, as always! Potentilla nitida is especially exquisite! The blue corydalis don't seem to do well here (I have killed many... slowly, as they dwindle away after a year or two)... too dry, I believe.
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I am sorry that I am rather late with my several early June pictures. I am living about 50 kms from my garden and my computer is so far, too. I send today following:
Androsace globifera
Arenaria hookeri
Aster coloradoensis
Dianthus alpinus 'Red Strain'
Eriogonum umbellatum var. porteri (finishing its flowering)
Helichrysum milfordiae in buds
Primula alpicola var. violacea
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I enjoy all the great pics in this thread.
Here are some from more from the north:
Centaurea bagadensis just opening it's decorative brown buds.
Potentilla nitida being more floriferous this year than ever before
Dicentra peregrina alba flowering for me for the first time
Gentiana atuntsienses
Calceolaria uniflora
Corydalis panda
Me too Magnar, and yours are always so interesting and beautifully photographed :)
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I am sorry that I am rather late with my several early June pictures. I am living about 50 kms from my garden and my computer is so far, too. I send today following:
Androsace globifera
Arenaria hookeri
Aster coloradoensis
Dianthus alpinus 'Red Strain'
Eriogonum umbellatum var. porteri (finishing its flowering)
Helichrysum milfordiae in buds
Primula alpicola var. violacea
Well worth waiting for, Zdenek, I love your Dianthus alpinus 'Red Strain' and your Helichrysum milfordiae in buds, stunning - thanks for all the effort it letting us see them :)
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Thanks for the Scutellaria responses. I had wondered if they were all alpina forms myself. 8)
Magnar,
Glorious pics, particularly the little happy faces of the Calceolaria. Wonderful.
Zdenek,
Some wonderful plants from you as well. That Dianthus is just amazing!!
Thanks all.
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some incredilbe things!
magnar-
Potentilla nitida
Dicentra peregrina alba
Calceolaria uniflora
Corydalis panda
all wonderul!
zdenek--better late than never, i'm probably even later!
Eriogonum umbellatum var. porteri
Helichrysum milfordiae
are especially nice!
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Just echoing the same sentiments... wonderful plants, Zdenek, and thanks for posting! I hope it works out that we get to that helichrysum in bloom later on! :D
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1) Talinum sediforme... it survives but never does much. (I made the common(?) mistake of making the holes too big in the tufa, for one thing.)
2) Saxifraga 'Mrs. Winifred Bevington'
3) Osteospermum barberiae var compactum 'Purple Mountain'. I fear it doesn't look as though it plans to bloom much this year... shocked by the cold weather, no doubt... but I'm amazed that it has been hardy here over a few years. Another of those amazingly hardy South African plants!
4) Dryas octopetala, intermittent blooms after the early flush. (Unlike D. drummondii, it seems to have an extended bloom period in the wild here, too).
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1) Talinum sediforme... it survives but never does much. (I made the common(?) mistake of making the holes too big in the tufa, for one thing.)
very nice, anyway..is this the british columbia species?
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Yes, "Okanogan fameflower".
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1) Talinum sediforme... it survives but never does much. (I made the common(?) mistake of making the holes too big in the tufa, for one thing.)
very nice, anyway..is this the british columbia species?
Is this the same species that I grew some years ago as Talinum okanoganense?. I had if for 4 years before it disappeared? Certainy should try it again, even if my climate is much wetter than Okanogan valley.
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Magnar and Zdenek !
Wonderful, well grown alpines - thanks for showing them !!! :D
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Just echoing the same sentiments... wonderful plants, Zdenek, and thanks for posting! I hope it works out that we get to that helichrysum in bloom later on! :D
Lori, I have quite a lot of pictures of blooming Helichrysum milfordiae from last several years that I haven't taken it in this year again. I took that picture especially for its nice buds. I can however to attach here a picture of blooming plant from June 2008.
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Zdenek, thank you for posting that! Helichrysum milfordiae is wonderful in bloom, absolutely fascinating in bud, and yours is grown so nicely; it looks like something that requires perfect drainage?
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Yes, Zdenek, that Heilchrysum is just magnificent. I tried it once in my garden but it did not overwinter. I think i should try it again with better drainage. Thanks for showing
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magnar--yes, its okanoganense (sp?) with a new name :) you may be wetter, but the okanagan (apparently canada spells it with all 'a's, u.s. uses the 'o' for second last syllable) in canada is not terribly dry in winter--depends on site and altitude etc of course, but winter there can be cold, wet, snowy, dark.... the higher you go, the more snow less rain/melt...not sure of the exact sites for the talinum--likely on slopes where water doesnt stay..
zdenek--that helichrysum looks wonderful at all stages--the foliage alone makes it worthy..can you tell us where its from?
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My Talinum has been outside in limestone scree the last 2 winters. It's a dry site and it goes dormant in summer and winter. It is in growth again just now as we had heavy rain. I wonder why the name change. Maybe too many people had problems spelling the original one :-\
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My Talinum has been outside in limestone scree the last 2 winters. It's a dry site and it goes dormant in summer and winter. It is in growth again just now as we had heavy rain. I wonder why the name change. Maybe too many people had problems spelling the original one :-\
i havent looked it up, but at a guess, i'm thinking it could be a matter of precedence--perhaps it was collected at another site and given the name sediforme before okanoganense was named? delightful plant under any name... i find many of the portulacaceae succulents interesting, and less grown than crassulaceae for example..
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They are little stunners aren't they Cohan- especially some of the South Americans!
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re: Portulacaceae succulents
They are little stunners aren't they Cohan- especially some of the South Americans!
indeed, and some australians--take a look at Calandrinias (i think there's one with little ovoid leaves) among other things at this site:
http://australiansucculents.com/gallery
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I never knew there Calandrinias in Australia! Did you see the Calandrinia primuliflora? :P
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I never knew there Calandrinias in Australia! Did you see the Calandrinia primuliflora? :P
nor did i until i saw this site, sent by an australian member of a c+s forum; for some reason, the aus succulents are not grown much, except a few caudiciforms..
yes C prim is pretty zowie! and did you see C granulifera? entire flowering plant the size of someone's fingertip! though it looks as though it will form patches over time... love it.. and C creethae, and.....
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1) Papery little blossoms on a very prickly Acantholimon trojanum.
2) Almost equally modest flowers on the recently-planted Calandrinia ranunculina.
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Lori, I found the flowers on mine to be quite modest too, but I was frightened to say so :-[
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Yes, it's not likely to stop traffic... ;D (I must start researching plants more, rather than buying on whims....! LOL!)
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Yes, it's not likely to stop traffic... ;D (I must start researching plants more, rather than buying on whims....! LOL!)
hmm, yes, not the flash we expect from calandrinia ;) but it DOES bear a resemblance to ranunculus ;)
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I never knew there Calandrinias in Australia! Did you see the Calandrinia primuliflora? :P
nor did i until i saw this site, sent by an australian member of a c+s forum; for some reason, the aus succulents are not grown much, except a few caudiciforms..
yes C prim is pretty zowie! and did you see C granulifera? entire flowering plant the size of someone's fingertip! though it looks as though it will form patches over time... love it.. and C creethae, and.....
Well I was hoping Paul T would mention that he grows them and has too much seed to keep for himself ;)
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Er... that would be a no. I don't even know what a Calandrinia is, except for what has just been mentioned on this forum. I can ask about though?
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So, what's the deal with acantholimon flowers? It seems there are two flower forms, on the same plant - the tiny papery, conical ones shown in my photo above, and the larger showy ones - male and female flowers?
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Er... that would be a no. I don't even know what a Calandrinia is, except for what has just been mentioned on this forum. I can ask about though?
Well they are small, very pretty and not enough people grow then- hint- ;D
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So, what's the deal with acantholimon flowers? It seems there are two flower forms, on the same plant - the tiny papery, conical ones shown in my photo above, and the larger showy ones - male and female flowers?
That is a most interesting question, Lori...... wish I knew the answer! :-[
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The recent rains have brought on a few self sown seedlings of Scutellaria orientalis ssp bornmuelleri in the rock garden and encouraged a good show on Crepis incana.
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1) First flowers on a young Dianthus haematocalyx ssp. pindicola... grown last year from seed by a friend (we have exchanged seedlings in spring the past two years!)
2) Dianthus seguieri... or so it was said to be at the plant sale last year by the person who grew it from seed; certainly not the usual colour, if it is... ?
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Delicate and pretty things in your photos Simon and Lori - Crepis incana is such a soft pink :)
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Thanks, Robin. Lori, have you a close up of the flower of your D.seguieri? Here is a repost of mine.
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Zdenek, thank you for posting that! Helichrysum milfordiae is wonderful in bloom, absolutely fascinating in bud, and yours is grown so nicely; it looks like something that requires perfect drainage?
Lori and Magnar,
I am just back at my computer and that is why I am late. Helichrysum milfordiae grows in South Africa, Drakensberg and I have heard, if I remember well, that it grows even in some quite wet sites.
In every case my plants grow in quite normal rock garden mix (about 25-30% of drainage material) on a sunny place. I am quite surprized Magnar, that you are not able to keep it alive in such excellent conditions as you have (according pictures of your plants). Try it once more. In my garden it grows well for ages. I must admit however that its cushions after several years gets some died parts but never died in whole. I propagate it by cuttings quite easy.
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Now is the time for the sharp and prickly or the smelly and sticky to flower here:
Carlina corymbosa- before and after shots
Salvia pachyphylla from California
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Well, I think I will have to post a retraction on a plant posted a few weeks ago as Cirsium candelabrum. It appears it isn't, as the real think flowered today from a different seed source. I am not sure if it could may be Onopordum giganteum.
So here it is Cirsium candelabrum and also Onopordum messeniacum
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Now is the time for the sharp and prickly or the smelly and sticky to flower here:
Carlina corymbosa- before and after shots
Salvia pachyphylla from California
wow--that carlina is really something!
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Simon, I find these prickly plants fascinating and they are so attractive to all sorts of insects who queue up for a taste! I must look for a photo I took last year of plants like carlina which grow on the St Bernard pass to Italy in great numbers and are stunning in the right light like windows reflecting sunshine across the valley
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We have the stemless Carlina here too- lovely to see them at this time of year, like huge dinner plates across the goat-grazed hillsides. :)
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I'm very interested in the Salvia pachyphylla, Simon! I managed (this time ;D) to have a couple of seedlings survive until planting-out time, so I'm giving it a try. Do you happen to have a photo that shows more of the plant?
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Hi Lori, I will try a few pics later. This is a 'taller' form from Alplains- and sadly much loved by the grasshoppers :'(
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Sorry for the delay, Lori. A pic of the growth form of the Salvia pachyphylla.
Also the plant I grow as Hypericum pseudopetiolatum var. yakushimanum, but which I believe is now known as H.yakusimense. There was a thread somewhere about plants from the island of Yakushima, but I forget where.
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Thanks, Simon - it would be absolutely fascinating to walk around your garden!
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Sorry for the delay, Lori. A pic of the growth form of the Salvia pachyphylla.
Also the plant I grow as Hypericum pseudopetiolatum var. yakushimanum, but which I believe is now known as H.yakusimense. There was a thread somewhere about plants from the island of Yakushima, but I forget where.
the xeric garden is looking great--love all those silvers..
hypericum is nice too, great form..dont know anything about yakushima!
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Thanks. You are welcome to look around- fetch a parasol and a g&t for maximum comfort ;)
Yakushima is on my list of plces to visit in my next life- along with ....
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Silene regia opened for the first time this morning and stopped me dead in my tracks. I am hoping the hummingbird hawkmoths find them later today ;)
Also open today- the plant I grow as Allium kermesianum
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Silene regia opened for the first time this morning and stopped me dead in my tracks. I am hoping the hummingbird hawkmoths find them later today ;)
Also open today- the plant I grow as Allium kermesianum
regia indeed!
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No wonder it stopped you in your tracks - your Silene regia is absolutely stunning Simon 8) 8) 8)
Your thistly plants have been wonderful too here and in Flowering and Foliage now - you must have a big seed production line going - would like to know more about how it's all done when you have time ;)
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At the moment we collect as seeds ripen. We'll be sorting over the summer and hopefully producing a seedlist for this autumn.
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First flowers on a couple from seed last year -
1) Serratula coronata
2) Sideritis glacialis
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Simon,
That is a bright Silene, isn't it!! :o
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It is a stunning colour, Paul.
Lori, that's a lovely Serratula. Have you any information about where it is from?
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Lori: First time i see a white Serratula, interetsing.
A few from my gravel bed the later days:
Dianthus subcaulis
Dianthus plumarius var lumnizeri
Daphne cneroum vairigata
Saussurea stellata, what will become of these buds?
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What a stunning saussurea, Magnar!
Just an aside... when Josef Halda spoke at the local alpine garden club this spring, he commented that saussurea could not be transplanted successfullly from pots, and had to be either moved into place as cuttings or grown in place from seed. I have very little experience at growing them - just a big batch of S. nepalensis this year -but I have not found them (albeit a sample of only one species) sensitive to being moved out of pots. Perhaps he was talking about plants that had been grown on in pots for much longer?
I will try to figure out where I got the Serratula from...
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Sadly for me Saussurea stella is a plant that never coped with the move from Aberdeen down to England :'( A beautiful little plant, but not one to try in the heat we have I wouldn't think.
The Serratula is really interesting with its almost Centaurea like flower. I just googled it and apparently it is European- growing in North America- So here aremy offerings for today- Americans growing in Europe.
Firstly a plant that doesn't mind being cooked in the summer heat- Zinnia grandiflora- though some rain would help it make a bigger mound!
Second another one for a hot dry place- a self sown Melampodium leucanthum. Hopefully if we get rain soon it will make a bigger mound in flower all the way through till winter. These self sowings have been much more adaptable than the parent, which was nearby last year- it made it through the winter but didn't pull through the spring.
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What a stunning saussurea, Magnar!
Just an aside... when Josef Halda spoke at the local alpine garden club this spring, he commented that saussurea could not be transplanted successfullly from pots, and had to be either moved into place as cuttings or grown in place from seed. I have very little experience at growing them - just a big batch of S. nepalensis this year -but I have not found them (albeit a sample of only one species) sensitive to being moved out of pots. Perhaps he was talking about plants that had been grown on in pots for much longer?
I will try to figure out where I got the Serratula from...
I have a few Saussureas, and I have never noticed any problems transplanting them. But they have not been growing in pots for more than a few months before I planted them out.
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Lori: First time i see a white Serratula, interetsing.
A few from my gravel bed the later days:
Dianthus subcaulis
Dianthus plumarius var lumnizeri
Daphne cneroum vairigata
Saussurea stellata, what will become of these buds?
saussurea is very cool--looks like a bromeliad at this stage..
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Very much like a bromeliad. Cool! 8)
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Saussurea belongs to Asteraceae doesn't it? Some of the very woolly, high alpine scree species are magnificent - and difficult I expect.
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Welcome back, Lesley. Yes there are some great high Himalayan Saussurea, which i suspect would be difficult anywhere hot and dry like here- I am thinking red spider mite city. I'll bet they are easier in Norway though ;)
Flowering here now- and taking a lot less time to do it than it did in England:
Seseli gummiferum
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Flowering here now- and taking a lot less time to do it than it did in England:
Seseli gummiferum
interesting plant! is it Apiaceae? how large, cant quite work out the scale in the pic...
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Seseli gummiferum: Well, that one's a lot easier with you than in Norway - I've tried and I'm jealous!! Beautiful plant... I actually bought a plant many years ago in the Chelsea Physic Garden in London, but it was doomed to freeze to death... Other Seseli spp have survived here though-I've just dug out an S. montanum I've had for many years.
I suppose you haven't tried bleeding the stem for the gum it's supposed to yield?
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Saussurea stella has opened the buds
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Certainly worth every minute of the wait, Magnar ... a glorious little thing.
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Stunning Magnar...simply stunning.
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So fantastic to look into and enjoy each development ending up with the flowers in the centre, thanks Magnar :)
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Terrific plant, Magnar!
Here's one that never disappoints me, Campanula herzegovina 'Nana':
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Wonderful Campanula. Lori. Never saw that one before.
Im always happy to find that Physoplexis comosa has survived winter and flowers again :)
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Lori, what a glorious sight to see spilling over the trough edge in your garden - a fabulous Campanula herzegovina 'Nana'
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Beautiful, Lori.
Magnar, that Physoplexis is excellent!! 8)
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Two beautiful plants, Magnar.
Paddy
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Thank you Paddy, I'd managed to miss the Saussurea, now in flower. Absolutely glorious, isn't it. So glad you mentioned the two plants and I went back to find the second one of Magnar's that I had missed. ::)
Thanks Magnar!
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Sorry Cohan and Stephen, we have been away for a few days in the Rila mountains. The Seseli gummiferum is about 1m tall with several stems radiating out from what was originally a rosette. The last time I gre it its form was more serpentine along the ground. Erm- no I haven't tried collecting any gum yet. I shall have to look into that one.
The rain at the start of July has persuaded a few plants into repeat flowering. Flowering now:
Scabiosa graminifolia
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Saussurea stella has opened the buds
fascinating! and this is compositae? must be among the more extreme adaptations in the family...
cohan
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Silene jenisseenis; it spreads around a bit, which seems rather odd for a silene, based on the ones I've grown.
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Simon, I do love Scabious flowers they pop up randomly repeating here and there in rocky spots, meadows and even woodland clearings where they and Campanula range from the most intense blue to light, like your Scabiosa graminifolia - fabulous :)
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Robin, they are one of my favourite flowers too. In our recent trip to the Rila mountains Scabiosa and Knautia were very prominent members of the grassland communities, flowering in some lovely shades of pastel pinks, purples and blues.
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Terrific plant, Magnar!
Here's one that never disappoints me, Campanula herzegovina 'Nana':
Lori,
I am affraid that the name of your Campanula is not correct. I grow under this name (correct spelling is C. hercegovina Degen at Fiala)
another plant which I got in this spring from Ron Beeston. I believe that this one is correct species as it must be very tiny according my information. I am not sure however on 100%. My plant is very tiny and its height is only about 5 or 6 cm.
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I am rather late again with several my July pictures. They are:
Calceolaria umbellata
Campanula cenisia
Campanula zoysii
Dianthus callizonus
Hymenoxys acaulis
Phlox pulvinata
Pterocephalus pinnardii
Tricyrtis macropoda
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I have been looking out for your next postings and they are well worth waiting for Zdenek, each one is fascinating and lovely photos...
I especially love the two Campanulas; zoysii has an amazing flower :)
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Terrific plants, Zdenek!
Lori,
I am affraid that the name of your Campanula is not correct. I grow under this name (correct spelling is C. hercegovina Degen at Fiala)
another plant which I got in this spring from Ron Beeston. I believe that this one is correct species as it must be very tiny according my information. I am not sure however on 100%. My plant is very tiny and its height is only about 5 or 6 cm.
Well, I couldn't say if my plant is correctly labelled or not... ???
Graham Nicholls in his Dwarf Campanulas and Associated Genera provides general descriptions that seem to fit in flower, leaf and form, and a photo that also seems to fit. (Note however that the descriptions are general.)
He says of C. hercegovina that stems are 10-20 cm (slender, decumbent, branched), and flowers to 2 cm, and that C. hercegovina 'Nana' is more compact with "small" flowers and stems to 7-10 cm long (also slender, decumbent, branched), and that a plant can form a mound up to 33 cm across. The flowers on mine are 1 cm, the stems are up to 15 cm (growing in part shade), and the plant is about 20 cm across at the base after 10-12 years. So I don't know! ???
Are your plants quite young? Are they growing in full sun?
Edit: Here is an article by Graham Nicholls that says essentially what is in the book, and includes a nice photo:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://graplant.co.uk/chercegovina.jpg&imgrefurl=http://graplant.co.uk/Articles.html&usg=__7cjmr-StCYLa7bpQSrxRNhQKsPw=&h=157&w=206&sz=22&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=OVSovf4QYNgOIM:&tbnh=80&tbnw=105&prev=/images%3Fq%3DCampanula%2Bhercegovina%26hl%3Den
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Campanula hercegovina 'Nana' as I have grown it, never made more than a film of leaves across the surface of the sunny, limestone scree it grew in. In fact I remember having to weed self sown Linaria supina out of its mats as it was so small. Will Ingwerson says it never grows taller than 5cm, mine was never taller than 2cm. Sadly it also never set seed, so I no longer have it. :'(
About the spelling - always difficult to transliterate the 'ts' sound into the roman alphabet- so lots of spelling around for C.herzegovina as well. Much easier when you write it as Херцеговина in Cyrillic ::)
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About the spelling - always difficult to transliterate the 'ts' sound into the roman alphabet- so lots of spelling around for C.herzegovina as well. Much easier when you write it as Херцеговина in Cyrillic ::)
A lot of the confusion arises because in German, many letters do not have the same sound value as in English. In particular, German uses "z" for what English writes as "ts". And "w" for "v".
Thus Iris winogradowii is pronounced as if written per English spelling as vinogradovii. The specific epithet is a latinised version of the German transliteration of a Russian name, Веноградов. [I hope I've spelled that right!]
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Personally, I think english would be so much easier to spell if it was written in Cyrillic script. ;)
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And for most of us, Russian would be so much easier if it were written in English! ;D
One of our major banks is currently making a big thing of the fact that their call centres (in India, surprise) are able to speak with their customers in 24 languages. My reaction to that is "what a pity one of them isn't English." ???
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Well, I have gone through internet and some literature and learned that C. hercegovina is quite variable so that it is possible that my plant (which is very young) and Lori's plant, even that Sinchet's one are all that species. My plant has its leaves broader that Lori's one but both leaves have similarly teethed margins. So I am silent now.
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Maybe there are more forms of the Campanula around, Zdenek, and some that say they are 'Nana' really are forms of the type species.
I have to say that Russian would be as hard to write in Roman script as Bulgarian is. The letters were developed to fit the sounds. So there are more letters than the 26 used to spell English. This helps to avoid the unnecessary use of more than one vowel or consonant for one sound in English, and also avoids the problems which come from having the same sound with several spelling possibilities- such as -er, -ar, -or, -ur, -o- etc.. Dipthongs are used, but the sound is always constant and predictable. As a former teacher, I know that most of the spelling mistakes made in English arise from the countless spelling choices students are presented with. Spelling when writing in Bulgarian is much easier.
Av u ad enuf jet? ;D
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And for most of us, Russian would be so much easier if it were written in English! ;D
One of our major banks is currently making a big thing of the fact that their call centres (in India, surprise) are able to speak with their customers in 24 languages. My reaction to that is "what a pity one of them isn't English." ???
;D ;D ;D
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Not much of a plant, but as things seem slow here... :(
This is actually the best it has looked to date, with 3 4(! ::)) flowers at last... It definitely seems to be one that needs extraordinarily-good drainage (as compared to the many others that manage well in regular soil here). Should do it a favour by moving it into the tufa bed, I reckon.
Campanula raineri 'Case':
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Zdenek,
Stunning Calceolaria, amongst other things.
Thanks everyone for their photos.
Lesley,
So it isn't just me who can't understand the call centre people? :o I tend to now boycott people that have overseas cal centres if at all possible. Just makes it easier to communicate.
BTW... I love the Russian comment..... applies to so many languages and can be translated into so many other languages. I'm going to have to go and look up Cyrillic though, to work out which language Simon is talking about. ::)
I wish at times that we all had a single language, but knowing my luck the one they decided on as the universal language would be one that I couldn't understand. ;D ;D Murphy's Law and all that. ;)
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The Cyrillic alphabet, here called Kirilitsa, can be used to write some english words much easier than the Roman alphabet can. However, it does not have an analogue for a 'w' sound. The letter combination used to transliterate this sound in its various combinations looks messy in my opinion. Languages that used the Cyrillic alphabet, but changed to Roman alphabet (such as Serbian), use accents, or notations, on letters to change the sound, but again these sounds are standard and easier for a 'foreigner' to understand how to read than the english sound system. For example the two words 'boot' and 'foot' are spelled the same but the 'oo' hs a different sound in each word.
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A couple of Saussurea nepalensis, from seed this year, have each formed a bud:
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Hi to all,
Talking about Campagnula`s,I'm afraid the campagnula I put in this post is not what I always taught,
I got this plant out of seed about 20 years ago- re Chilteren as C.fragilis,altough the plant is very fragile,but then lots of camp are of the same,handle me with care.I have the plants grown under protection of a pollytunnel but the last few Years the are growing outside in pots in a nursery bed and are behaving well even after a harsh winter last time,wet and cold,the are now flowering for the second time around.would anyone of the campagnula forumnist get me out of this confusion.
Great pics from all,thanks
Cheers ;)
Guy