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Plant Identification => Plant Identification Questions and Answers => Topic started by: Arda Takan on May 06, 2009, 10:18:43 PM

Title: A bulbous plant
Post by: Arda Takan on May 06, 2009, 10:18:43 PM
I don't know what plant this is, it has only 1 wide leaf and a bulb as small as a nut. I'll be glad if you can identify it.
By the way I forgot to say how I found it, it is an endemic plant.
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 07, 2009, 05:17:52 AM
Looks quite like the leaf of a young, non-flowering Fritillaria. Was the bulb white, without a tunic?
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Arda Takan on May 07, 2009, 08:27:36 AM
Yes
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Paul T on May 07, 2009, 11:50:13 AM
My first thoughts were exactly the same as Lesley.  Definitely looks like a young Frit.
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Arda Takan on May 07, 2009, 01:04:50 PM
By saying non-flowering you meant it is too small to flower or it will never have flowers at all?
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Paul T on May 07, 2009, 01:10:36 PM
Too small to flower.  A lot of the frits put up when immature what I always think of as little sails, because they always remind me of the sail of a ship.  As the plants mature more these become multi-leafed stems etc (depending on the species of course) and increase in size until they flower.  Yours just looks like it is a small bulb that has only a single leaf "yet", but it will grow in time and hopefully get bigger each year until flowering.  How long that takes will greatly depend on what species it is, and therefore how large the plant needs to get to before it is flowering size.
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Arda Takan on May 07, 2009, 01:14:51 PM
Thanks Paul.
I searched the area where I had found it , and I barely found 3-4 all had only 1 leaf. It made me think how did they breed.

edit: typing mistake
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: kirsitn on May 07, 2009, 09:50:03 PM
Could also be Erythronium sibiricum, but I don't know if they're found in Turkey.
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Arda Takan on May 07, 2009, 10:35:59 PM
I'll keep an eye on it and we will see what truely it is I think =)
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 07, 2009, 11:55:45 PM
I'll still go with Fritillaria, and Heaven knows, Turkey has more than its fair share of those. ;D
If there were a few similar leaves and nothing else, it's possible that a previously mature bulb has died for some reason, leaving just these young ones. It's also possible that the young ones are the precursor to a larger, perhaps flowering bulb. I find many species send up their vegetative babies first, followed perhaps even a few weeks later, by the mature flower stem. Your leaf looks very robust and thick so it will be interesting in time to see what species it is.
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Arda Takan on May 08, 2009, 09:56:27 AM
Lesley what you say makes sense, because this little bulbs were very close to each other perhaps they were baby bulbs of a mature bulb.
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Maggi Young on May 08, 2009, 10:17:58 AM
I do think these are baby Fritillaria bulbs.... they may take several years to get to flowering size, though the leaf you show does look strong.  :-\
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on May 08, 2009, 10:49:03 AM
Lesley what you say makes sense, because this little bulbs were very close to each other perhaps they were baby bulbs of a mature bulb.

Everything Lesley says makes sense Arda - You'll learn that if you stick around this forum long enough...  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Arda Takan on May 08, 2009, 12:12:42 PM
Lesley what you say makes sense, because this little bulbs were very close to each other perhaps they were baby bulbs of a mature bulb.

Everything Lesley says makes sense Arda - You'll learn that if you stick around this forum long enough...  ;D ;D ;D
I will Luc, I ensure you :)
I have so many things to learn from you people
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Paul T on May 09, 2009, 01:48:11 AM
Lesley what you say makes sense, because this little bulbs were very close to each other perhaps they were baby bulbs of a mature bulb.

Everything Lesley says makes sense Arda - You'll learn that if you stick around this forum long enough...  ;D ;D ;D

Egads, Luc.  Don't encourage her!  :o :o :o
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 10, 2009, 11:06:03 PM
Thank you Luc. Pleased someone appreciates me.  ;D In fact, I need no encouragement. You know I like to pontificate on every possible subject.
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Arda Takan on May 11, 2009, 11:26:03 AM
I'll come with more identified plants!
wait for me :D
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Arda Takan on May 16, 2009, 01:26:25 PM
As promised I'm back with another bulbous plant^^
here two photos of the plant, it had flowers shaped similar to lily, with a white-like colour but I didn't have my cell phone to take photos, so I could make it 1 week later. Now it has seed pod I guess. Here are the photos. Sorry for bad quality.
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Paul T on May 16, 2009, 01:30:54 PM
Arda,

From the seedpods, I'd be guessing a Tulipa species of some sort?  Does that fit with the flower you saw?
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Arda Takan on May 16, 2009, 01:41:14 PM
Yes I thought it was a kind of tulipa too. Its shape was similiar to tulip
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Onion on May 16, 2009, 05:27:47 PM
Arda,
I agree with Paul. The seed pod looks like the T. clusiana pods I have last year.
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 16, 2009, 11:43:30 PM
Do Tulipa seedpods not have a pointed apex? Certainly some do. I thought Fritillaria when I saw the 2nd picture.
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Maggi Young on May 17, 2009, 04:08:34 PM
I think a Frit seed pod for sure. Will get Ian to have a closer looks but it could be one of quite a few! He's busy for the next day or so.... Chelsea  Flower Show to go to tomorrow.
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Gerry Webster on May 17, 2009, 06:19:26 PM
I'm inclined to agree with Maggi - a frit seed pod. The capsule appears to be unwinged, so if we knew the locality we could have a guess at the species.
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Oron Peri on May 18, 2009, 09:00:17 AM
Arda,
I absolutely agree with Maggi and Lesley, it is a Fritillaria seed pod.
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Arda Takan on May 18, 2009, 11:00:16 AM
Thank you all for spending time to look to it.
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Arda Takan on January 31, 2011, 08:07:34 PM
Hello
After 2 years I totally forgot this topic
But today I've found a frit species which lives in my city according to http://turkherb.ibu.edu.tr/index.php?sayfa=210&name=26 (http://turkherb.ibu.edu.tr/index.php?sayfa=210&name=26)

Here is a photo of Fritillaria pinardii
It really looks like the plant in my first photo









too bad I killed my little bulb 1 year ago =(
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Arda Takan on October 06, 2017, 02:55:56 PM
My previous post is wrong.
The plant is Fritillaria flescheriana.
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Maggi Young on October 06, 2017, 03:10:14 PM
Fritilaria pinardii and  F. fleischeriana can appear very similar!
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Arda Takan on October 06, 2017, 05:51:55 PM
Yes indeed Maggi, but I can safely say that I became a F.flescheriana expert :D. One of few species in my area.
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Maggi Young on October 06, 2017, 09:06:02 PM
 F. fleischeriana, Arda!  :)
Title: Re: A bulbous plant
Post by: Arda Takan on October 07, 2017, 09:00:00 AM
Oops. Not an expert in latin for sure  :)
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