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General Subjects => Alpines => Topic started by: johanneshoeller on April 29, 2009, 07:06:28 AM
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Some Gentiana
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Beautiful flowers, Hans ... thanks for taking the time and trouble to post.
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Hans, thank you for posting such beautiful Gentiana close ups - I love the variation in the throat of the trumpet and the simplicity of the crisp white shape :)
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All are wonderful, especially the first. And beautiful pictures.
Have You any name for them?
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My Gentiana are grown from seed and have no names, all are clusii. Only the pics 2 and 3 show angustifolia 'Iceberg', but there are some differences.
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All lovely but the sky blue/green/white combination is especially beautiful. I have some similar plants, grown originally as G. angustifolia alba. Only one of about 30 was truly white, the others all with this lovely combination of colours to a greater or lesser degree. I love every one.
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And I see there are a lot in the background. :)
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They are weary nice all of them.
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The last snow is melting here - and some Gentiana are flowering
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Hans,
Such beautiful blues! :o
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Can anyone help me with an id for this Gentiana - I had been growing it as G.cruciata- but now it is flowering it looks nothing like our native G.cruciata.
Thanks, Simon.
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I think it is G. cruciata.
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Thanks, Johannes- our native ones only have 4 petals.
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Here is a true G. cruciata from Austria
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Thanks again, Hans- that looks more like the forms we have here.
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Lovely Hans. :o
Eric
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Flowering today:
Gentiana striata (collected 3500m MinShan, China)
The flowers are reluctant to open here in the heat, and I am hoping to move it to a shadier site soon.
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The last snow is melting here - and some Gentiana are flowering
! i thought it was bad here with snow til/in may! of course high altitudes in the mountains here probably still have snow..
fantastic blues of course, and the subtle colours in the first post are great too, are those hybrids or naturally occurring variations?
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This plant should be a Primula (grown from seed). Which Gentiana is it?
Now the last snow from the avalanches is smelting (435 m).
Most of the Gentiana are from the nature, I think "Iceberg" is a selection
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Hans, it could be G.tibetica?
Karl
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A second flowering on Gentiana syringea- only an annual I know, but a very pretty little thing :)
The plant's rosette is 1cm tall and the flower 1.5cm wide. The flower is a clearer sky blue in real life.
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Really pretty Simon - who says: 'blue and green should never be seen.....' I think it is the most wonderful combination of sky blue and grass green :)
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It's another one of those flowers, :) where you never notice the detail until you take a picture then zoom in.
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Here is a true G. cruciata from Austria
A curiosity (but also a question). I sowed seed of Gentiana cruciata some years ago and the first flower to emerge was this monstrosity! This is the only picture I have. Is there sufficient information in this image to confirm its identity as a Cross Gentian (any plant would be "cross" if they were given a face like that, methinks ;) ) Next question: is this an example of a Peloric flower (as frequently occurs in foxgloves, Digitalis) or does it have a different name?
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The rest looks right, Stephen. What a freak of nature though- at least the rest of the buds look more normal. I'd be interested to hear if anyone else had 5-petalled 'G.cruciata', like the one I posted earlier.
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A second flowering on Gentiana syringea- only an annual I know, but a very pretty little thing :)
The plant's rosette is 1cm tall and the flower 1.5cm wide. The flower is a clearer sky blue in real life.
this is a real little charmer! and anything sky blue is good :)
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Thanks, Cohan.
Flowering here now he F1 seedlings from seeds I originally bought from a seed exchange as Gentina X kaufmanniana. Any ideas? Looks like a G.septemfida type to me.
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Very nice Simon, are they in an acid soil?
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No David- they are in a limestone mix.
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Gentiana gelida... (I'm having a rotten time trying to get a focused picture of this, sorry!)
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I received seeds supposed to be Gentiana przewalskii.
The result look like Hans's Primula ???
If someone confirm, I could harvest seeds for the exchange.
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Flowering now at 2930m altitude on Mount Musala- my first time seeing this plant in real life. Sadly too early for open flowers :(
Gentiana frigida
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Flowering now at 2930m altitude on Mount Musala- my first time seeing this plant in real life. Sadly too early for open flowers :(
Gentiana frigida
spectacular even in bud! looks like a great spot...
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Two Gentiana species,both raised from seeds. G.calycosa is from wild seeds collected in Northwest America
where it grows in boggy places.
This G. paradoxa is not the true species,but a hybrid which grows and flowers quite easy in a cool place.
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Cohan, it was quite hard to see the plants with the flowers closed- but at ground level you realise there is a big population up there!
Also flowering now in the Rila mountains:
Gentiana punctata
Gentianella bulgarica
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Lovely Gentiana Simon, even in bud, and I think the colour of Gentianella bulgarica is very attractive
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Gentiana asclepiadea is full in flower in the Alps
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Absolutley stunning, Hans, are they growing near to you?
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Robin,
yes, they are flowering behind my house in the nature.
An interesting form of Gentiana pannonoca
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Wow that's extraordinary...is it in your garden Hans?
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No, it is growing a little higher at the mountain behind my house. You cannot cultivate G. pannonica in so low locations (under 700m).
The best plants grow at 1500m.
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Do you know if they grow in this area of Switzerland - Vaud/Valais?
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Not sure about G.pannonica, Robin, but we've seen G.purpurea in your neck of the woods.
Flowering now in the rock garden, some F2 from Gentiana x paradoxa- not sure how much paradoxa is left in there though. ???
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Now Gentianella austriaca is full in flower in the mountains near my house
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Very nice, Hans. Does it grow in your garden too?
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I never had success with G. austriaca (germanica) in my garden, although germination is no problem. I think it likes higher and colder locations.
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Some Gentians flowering in my garden recently.
1 Gentiana loderi
2 A gentian grown from seed from one of the seed exchanges as Gentiana 'Black Boy'. Don't know if that was the parent's proper name or a misinterpretation. The buds are quite black.
3 Gentiana asclepiada - a pale blue form
4 Gentiana paradoxa - two slightly different plants from the same batch of seed. The first one is bluer than the picture. The second one is a deeper blue but the flowers do not open so well.
5 Gentiana 'Marsha' bought from B&Q last year. Described on the label as Japanese Gentian 'Marsha'
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I just picked up three pots of G. scabra at the weekly market, one each of white, blue and rose, but really have no idea what they like. Are they acid soil species? Moist, well-drained, alpine, etc? As they get literally thrown at you end of Summer, they can't be too difficult....can they? ::)
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I would like to share the beautiful Gentiana georgei ACE 2353 flowering in a trough last week.
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BEAUTIFUL ... BEAUTIFUL ... BEAUTIFUL! Well done Rob.
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One unknown. I bought this one whit no label.
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Bottle or closed gentian, Gentiana clausa - the flowers may develop a small opening at the top, but they don't ever really open.
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Gentianella ciliata (at higher locations) and austriaca (in Upper Austrian lowland)
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Dear Anne Karin,
The Gentian is G. pneumonanthe. A very nice one!
Martijn
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some Gentianas today
Regards, Wolfgang
G alba with bright blue.JPG
G. alba with green.JPG
G. Blue Silk 1.JPG
G. georgei.JPG
G. grandiosa.JPG
G. rubicunda 1.JPG
G. rubicunda.JPG
G. Zuko Rindo 1.JPG
G. Zuko Rindo.JPG
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Some magnificent gentians there, Wolfgang ... where do you obtain such beautiful plants please?
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Gentianella ciliata (at higher locations) and austriaca (in Upper Austrian lowland)
Hans, these gentianella are very different to anything I have ever seen but I really like their cilia - they look like something feeding on a coral reef 8)
When you say they are higher up, what sort of situation do you find them in?
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some Gentianas today
Regards, Wolfgang
G alba with bright blue.JPG
G. alba with green.JPG
G. Blue Silk 1.JPG
G. georgei.JPG
G. grandiosa.JPG
G. rubicunda 1.JPG
G. rubicunda.JPG
G. Zuko Rindo 1.JPG
G. Zuko Rindo.JPG
Some gorgeous and unusual ones, Wolfgang, you do grow such beautiful Gentiana :) The G rubicunda is a fabulous colour.
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Wonderful Gentians Wolfgang !
"Grandiosa" is great !!
Thanks for showing !
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the last G. asclepiadea for this year in varios color
regards Wolfgang
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On the principal that you can't get too much of a good thing .... and since Gentiana georgei is my favourite alpine plant attached another, more recent photograph showing our plant with 9 magnificent flowers. A real beauty.
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Too right, Rob... if you've got it, flaunt it! Lovely gentian!
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Congratulations, Rob, a lovely looking Gentiana georgei - for each bud, how many weeks of pleasure?
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Each flower will last about 2 weeks, however by capturing their beauty on a camera it is possible to enjoy and share their beauty for much longer.
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exactly, thanks for posting :D
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Dear Anne Karin,
The Gentian is G. pneumonanthe. A very nice one!
Martijn
Sorry haven't seen your answer.
I think you are right.
Thank you fore the name.
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Who can help?
I become from a friend a seedling Gentiana ishizuchii.
Is this Gentiana generally a true species or a hybrid?
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Robin, the most beautiful G. ciliata grow at higher locations (700m-1700m) and there at cliffs and broken stones or in forrests. This year I have just found a location in a darker forrest where they are growing like sino-ornata (800m)!
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some autumn - Gentian's today
kind regards, Wolfgang
Bellatrix Extra
Busser'l
Delft
Eugen's Alllerbester
G. farreri
Zuko Rindo rosea
Zuko Rindo
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Who can help?
I become from a friend a seedling Gentiana ishizuchii.
Is this Gentiana generally a true species or a hybrid?
Hi Udo - a Japanese internetsite mentions Gentiana scabra var. buergeri Ishizuchi - unfortunately I can't read the text.
Ishizuchi is a mountain in Japan, so there is a chance that 'Ishizuchi' is a form found there - but I'm not sure.
Sorry, this is not a complete answer but perhaps a step forward to find an answer of your question.
Gerd
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Udo,
Gentiana ishizuchii is a hybrid. G. scabra var. buergeri f. procumbens x G. septenfida, named after the mountain Ishizuchi.
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Gerd and Hans,
many thanks for your answer.
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Many beautiful plants there gentlemen. Thank you for sharing them.
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Robin, the most beautiful G. ciliata grow at higher locations (700m-1700m) and there at cliffs and broken stones or in forrests. This year I have just found a location in a darker forrest where they are growing like sino-ornata (800m)!
Hans, thanks so much for the information about habitat for G. ciliata - I looked up sino-ornata too and it is the most fantastic colour but I see it has to have acid soil with no trace of lime....I think it must have been similar to one my Mother grew in our garden in Scotland - I see there is a sky blue Gentiana mentioned too which is called G glendevon which was just about where I lived and I will try to find it too ;D
Next year I plan to explore higher up the Alps here and hope to see lots of Gentiana....
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Next year I plan to explore higher up the Alps here and hope to see lots of Gentiana....
That's something to look forward to when the snow comes down :) :) :)
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Absolutely, Tony, that will be my planning time, filling my mind with Alpine plants to find when the snows melt :D
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A few gentians flowering last week.
Gentiana asclepiada - almost finished
Gentiana 'Eugen's Allerbester' - I know I shouldn't like double gentians but I like the shape and the colour (just forget it's a gentian)
Gentiana 'Saltire' from Ian Christie
The rest are from Aberconway
Gentiana 'Purity'
Gentiana 'Silken Giant'
Gentiana 'Silken Night'
Gentiana 'Silken Seas'
Gentiana Silken Skies'
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Gentiana asclepiadea in the wild - a light blue form. This year I have seen some pink G.a.
And a view where the most beautiful Gentiana and Primula auricula are growing. Behind the mountain there you will find my garden and house. A wonderful and warm autumn day here in the Upper Austrian Alps (Totes Gebirge and Höllengebirge)
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Beautiful, Hans ... what a place to live and garden!
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Hans, thank you for that amazing view of your Austrian Alps :)
Often we get so close up that we forget the real life setting where Gentiana and other wonderful Alpine plants are growing and waiting to be discovered.... your environment where you live and garden looks idyllic - no wonder you grow such amazing plants ;)
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Interesting to note how similar Wolfgang's 'Bellatrix Extra' is to 'Saltire'.
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Interesting to note how similar Wolfgang's 'Bellatrix Extra' is to 'Saltire'.
It is, here are the two brought together:
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G. Bellatrix Extra above and
Gentiana 'Saltire' below.
Looks like Bellatrix Extra has a bit more green in the throat.
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And cleaner colour in the interlobes. Was it really worth naming both?
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And cleaner colour in the interlobes. Was it really worth naming both?
Well, when plants are raised in different countries at about the same time, I suppose it is hard to know exactly what is being named, where. :-\
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A few images captured last evening ...
Gentian 'Silken Night' (Four images)
Another gentian from Aberconwy Nursery - suggestions please (Five images)
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Wonderful shots of wonderful blue Gentians growing with you Cliff, the first photo of Gentian 'Silken Night' really highlights the name :)
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A few images captured last evening ...
)Gentian 'Silken Night' (Four images
Another gentian from Aberconwy Nursery - suggestions please (Five images)
'Blue Silk'?
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Many thanks Roma ... sounds good! :D
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You're right of course Maggi, re naming of similar plants in different countries. It's a particular problem with beared irises where breeders are working along roughly similar lines and each one names his/her newbies, regardless of what is being released elsewhere. Fair enough I suppose but jolly confusing to the poor gardener who doesn't need 4 plants all the same but bought under different names. :'( The answer is to see the plants before you buy them but most, especially irises, are bought from catalogues. One can't be in the right place at flowering time, all the time.
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Oh what beaytiful autumn gentians! My sino-ornatas are still in buds not in flowers.
G. angustifolia Iceberg is flowering now.
(http://cs1864.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/95825191/x_ed02b998.jpg)
Gentiana szechenyi has just finished.
(http://cs1429.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/95825191/x_84148b3c.jpg)
G. aff. lagodechiana is frost-hardy
(http://cs1618.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/95825191/x_5394de18.jpg)
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What fantastic compositions, Olga. Have you had many frosts? I ask because your weather finally reaches us tomorrow :'(
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Olga,
G. angustifolia Iceberg please.
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Hi Cliff, I think your Gentian is G. Compact gem Blue Silk is much darker, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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Franz
Yes...
Simon
We had some nights about -3 in October. Days are warm and rainy.
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Beautiful pictures Olga. Judging from the frosting on the last one, you'd make a very good cocktail. The ones with a frost-rimmed glass. ;D
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Fabulous pictures Olga !! :o :o
Thanks so much for showing !
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Thank you! :-*
Some summer gentians:
(http://cs4101.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/93407084/x_5cec1f2c.jpg) (http://cs4101.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/93407084/x_1f40937f.jpg)
(http://cs4101.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/93407084/x_f5b819fb.jpg)
(http://cs4101.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/93407084/x_9b5d1482.jpg)
I give up in identifying septemfida group.
3 years I was waiting for G. georgei from Vojtech's seeds. First flower:
(http://cs4226.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/93407084/x_0da25869.jpg)
(http://cs4226.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/93407084/x_f06de3be.jpg)
Gentiana paradoxa
(http://cs4226.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/93407084/x_bad9fee5.jpg)
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Gentiana dshimilensis at Caucasus alpine meadow
(http://cs4143.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/94425531/x_cbc5d66e.jpg)
Gentiana oschtenica
(http://cs4143.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/94425531/x_78019e18.jpg)
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Hi Cliff, I think your Gentian is G. Compact gem Blue Silk is much darker, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
Many thanks, Ian - I have certainly purchased G. Compact Gem from Keith in the past.
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Wonderful, wonderful plants and images Olga - G. georgei is absolutely enchanting.
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And how beautifully arranged on either wood or brick. Olda's talents reach much further than as a photographer. :)
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Olga,
I just love the paradoxa. I love that foliage. Is it different to other Gentians, or just in my mind? Not that I have actually SEEN that many Gentians in person though. ::)
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The quality of the image in each photo is so striking as not to forget when next looking at these beautiful Gentiana - Olga, you have captured the quintessence of these blue beauties with such passion :D
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Olga , thank you for giving us so much enjoyment with your superb photos .
Paul -Gentiana paradoxa has been growing and flowering profusely each summer for many years in my garden (and other gardens) . Surely it will thrive in your garden too . It is too late now to send you a plant . Please remind me in autumn .
Otto.
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Otto,
I have never managed to successfully grow a Gentiana until this year where I have G. septemfida 'Pink Swallow' coming back from winter dormancy now (but whether it will flower remains to be seen). As I mentioned in a post elsewhere, I can't get acaulis to flower again, only ever managing 2 season of growth out of it before it succumbs, unless I repot them and then they quickly die.... so I don't repot any more if I can help it. I really don't want to kill more of these wonderful plants until I have worked out what I am doing wrong. ::) Thank you for the offer, but you would likely to consigning it to death. :o Your garden is also I think somewhat more protected than mine..... even in the shade mine is still hot. I would be guessing that it would likely need to be in the coolest part of the shadehouse to survive here? In the past I have aimed for morning sun only, with afternoon sun protection. This appears to be working for the 'Pink Swallow' but it is a first! ;D
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Many, many thanks! :)
Paul
G. paradoxa differs from others by very big flowers with more than 5 petals. It is similar to G. septemfida in it’s requirements – one of the easiest gentians I know. Being planting near they produce hybrids.
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Some spring gentians.
G. verna Alba flowered and died don't know why.
(http://cs4289.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/92164489/x_b1eb8302.jpg)
G. acaulis
(http://cs4289.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/92164489/x_6e1573c7.jpg)
G. clusii Alboroseum
(http://cs4289.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/92164489/x_55c9fde4.jpg)
G. dinarica
(http://cs4289.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/92164489/x_9c267908.jpg)
(http://cs4289.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/92164489/x_42c9752f.jpg)
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These pictures are superb as always Olga. The G. dinarica is especially wonderful, so deep and rich.
Do you mean that your white Gentiana verna died after flowering? Mine is in flower now and I should be able to send you some fresh seed in the summer (your winter) if you would like it. Send me your address.
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I think most Gentiana verna do not live for a long time (longer than 3 years) and the plants from in the Alps are the most difficult. Only a few forms or spec. are easy.
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The beautiful Gentiana dinarica on the Show bench.
GENTIANA DINARICA
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Thank you so much for all the gentian pictures just heaven what super plants, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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I think you're right Hans, though trimming off the seed heads before they ripen helps and perhaps gives another year or two. But as well as for nursery plants, I grow seed each year in order to replace tatty plants. They're easy from cuttings too, of course.
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Hi
My name is Mikael and i live in Sweden and have my garden i Jämtland 600km north of Stockholm and its zone 7, its like zone 3 in North America. The growingseason is very short so growing alpines is the optimal choice here.
Ive been growing and collecting alpines for a couple of years and the l Gentians are my new favourites.
Some flowers very late when the snow arrives but others is more early. This fotos is taken last week in September and most botanical sp. has already flower, the Autumnhybrides flowers later
Id like to show 3 of my Gentians:
First my favourite that flowers fr mid August to October.
A unspecified G. sp.collected in Sichuan 2003 and bought from Larz Danielsson
Maybe someone can tell me what species this is?
Then the best white hybrides? 'Serenity'
No 3 is 'Strathmore'
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Of course i just had to do this wrong ::) with the pics!
Sorry, but this is my first try in this forum.
The first two is the one from Sechuan and the third is 'Serenity'
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Mikael, a warm welcome to the Forum, I really like your photos of your Gentiana shown from ground level and above and also seeing a little of the habitat you grow them in, thanks.
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Do you mean that your white Gentiana verna died after flowering? Mine is in flower now and I should be able to send you some fresh seed in the summer (your winter) if you would like it. Send me your address.
Lesley you are so kind!
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Hans
Gentiana verna has lived at my garden since 2001. It is OK. And G. angulosa and G. oschtenica to.
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Mikael
Gentiana from Sechuan is incredible!
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Mikael, great to have you begin posting! So interesting to hear of the garden conditions from other forumists and a delight to see your gentians. 8)
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Thank you all for your kind respons, and i promise this want be my last contribution to this excellent forum. Hopefully you will forgive me for the uncorrect English i sometimes use?
Mike
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Welcome to the Forum Mikael !
We can never have too many Gentians !! ;)
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Dear Mikael, great pictures, I think your Blue gentian from Sechuan is Gentian nialamensis which we collected with Lars, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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Welcome Mikael!
Super plants and good pictures
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A warm welcome Mikael. You will find many beautiful and wondrous things on all parts of the Forum. :)
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Thank you all!
And Maggi when i got time i will start a new thread, showing you all what plants you can grow up here in the north.
Mike
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A couple of years ago I visited the Dolomites after being inspired by Cliff's pictures. I was quite taken by the variable colour of the verna type gentians near Arabba. As I loaded the pics from that holiday onto this computer for the first time yesterday (Cliff's sales pitch for Mac was spot on too!) I rediscovered this little beauty - this is the real colour as I remember it.
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Darren
It's unusual color for gentians! Great!
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The usual pure, primary blue of Gentiana verna must be the most sought-after colour in all horticulture. So it's funny that when we have that so generously, in Gentiana, we crave a purple, or white, or yellow. :)The violet G. verna is lovely Darren.
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Lesley, I've always smiled at the quest for a white Tecophilea for the same reason. :)
What is really funny is that the rediscovered wild population of Tecophilea looks rather like our 'var leichtlinii', suggesting that the solid blue 'type' form that we grow might have been itself selected because of the intensity of the blue colour. Now selective breeding is heading back the other way, albeit with some lovely results.
For the record I prefer the pure blue form of G.verna.
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Gentiana angustifolia believes that we are in spring, in the garden !!! ???
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My G. angustifolia ONLY flowers in autumn whereas the white form flowers ONLY in spring. ???