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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: ashley on April 27, 2009, 10:44:17 PM
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Since this doesn't really fit under 'South African bulbose plants' I've started a new thread.
Gladiolus atroviolaceus
G. tristis
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Ashley, great gladiolus!
Do you cultivate G. violaceus outside and without (rain) protection in winter?
Gerd
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No, under glass Gerd because I understand it's less tolerant of wet conditions than most Eurasian species. I just moved it outside because it was in an awkward position to photograph.
Do you grow this one? The blue-violet colour is attractive but I had expected it to be darker from the Grey-Wilson & Mathews description and the photos in Phillips & Rix and Janis' books.
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No, under glass Gerd because I understand it's less tolerant of wet conditions than most Eurasian species. I just moved it outside because it was in an awkward position to photograph.
Do you grow this one? The blue-violet colour is attractive but I had expected it to be darker from the Grey-Wilson & Mathews description and the photos in Phillips & Rix and Janis' books.
Thank you Ashley. I also didn't try it outside. I saw this species in NE Turkey near
Mt. Ararat where it becomes very cold in winter (but also snow cover), but I guess in summer dry. The colour of the flowers varies a lot and there are paler and darker ones. Unfortunately no photos.
Gerd
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Another Gladiolus from today -
Gladiolus triphyllus - originally from Cyprus
Gerd
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Very nice Gladiolus triphyllus - seems to be a smaller species.
Here two species are in flower
Gladiolus illyricus and a pale form of Gladiolus italicus
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Very nice Gladiolus triphyllus - seems to be a smaller species.
Here two species are in flower
Gladiolus illyricus and a pale form of Gladiolus italicus
Thank you Hans! G. triphyllus is about 30 cm tall - much smaller in the wild.
Your glads are also very showy -
but - there is a murder inside the pale form ;)
Gerd
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Ashley,
I brought a potful of G. tristis into the house about two weeks ago and couldn't believe the magnificent scent, as good as any lily.
Paddy
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They are all lovely, and in general, hardy here (I've not grown all of these). Have never seen a white spider before. So well camoulaged no wonder the other chap was caught. ::)
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Have never seen a white spider before. So well camoulaged no wonder the other chap was caught. ::)
Here a picture of last year - there are also pink ones... ::) ;D
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Beautiful plants Gerd and Hans. I haven't seen G. triphyllus before, nor the pale form of italicus.
Yes the scent is great Paddy, isn't it? Almost nothing early in the day but builds from afternoon onwards. Along with the pale colour I suppose this attracts night-flying pollinators such as moths. Do you grow it outside?
Lesley flower or crab spiders seem to prefer scented flowers, perhaps as more efficient attractors of their insect prey.
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That crab spider is Thomisus onustus (Thomisidae) and is usually associated with flowers. It can be yellow as well as pink or white, and can tackle prey as large as Xylocopa violacea.
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The pink one is very pretty. Perhaps they take on the colour of the flowers in which they are residing? :)
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These are not your Everage Gladdies! ;D
I love them even if aunty Edna wouldn't!
Gerd, I'd never realised that there was a gladdie from Cyprus - and a very nice one too, thanks for showing us.
cheers
fermi
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Another Gladiolus from today -
Gladiolus triphyllus - originally from Cyprus
Gerd
This colour and form is so simple and really lovely - gladiolus are a strange flower either people seem to like them, or hate them...personally they have grown on me especially since I have found the simpler forms and I love the leaves like swords rising from the earth in the Spring. Thanks Gerd for your inspiring photos.
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Gerd,
Gladiolus triphyllus looks very appealing, arresting attention by its nice shape.
Gladiolus atroviolaceus grows wild in our country. It usually grows in very well-drianed clay soil among rocks, in the areas where summers are very hot and winters are very cold. As our Lori region is one of the most of the wet places in Armenia it doesn't grow in our area. I must somewhare in my files have the photo of it in wild. Will post it when find it.
I am not sure that many of you in the forum will be interested in Gladioulus varieties, but I think that this link will be interesting for some people. The gladiolus culture is very popular in Russia and gladiolus breeding is currently flourishing in this country. Russian hybrids are considered one of the best in the world.
Here is a link to the photogallery of my Moscow colleague Nikolay Kuzmin, who specialises in galdiolus cultivation. The photos of glads are illusrated according to colours. You can have a look and make an impression about Russian varieties. There are many highly decorative and catchy ones.
http://growflowers.ru/photo/
Lately a new group called Exotic Gladioluses is of great popularity and demand. Even me, who is quite indifferent to these flowers, get highly impressed with them.
Here are the links for the most catchy and unusual ones:
http://growflowers.ru/photo/glads/rozovye/fullsize/nevskaja_jekzotika.jpg
http://growflowers.ru/photo/glads/lososevye/fullsize/pojushhie_fontany.jpg
http://growflowers.ru/photo/glads/rozovye/fullsize/izumrudnoe_ozherele.jpg
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Gladiolus atroviolaceus grows wild in our country. It usually grows in very well-drianed clay soil among rocks, in the areas where summers are very hot and winters are very cold.
Zhirair, how variable is G. atroviolaceus in Armenia and is it usually darker than the form I showed?
Are there other gladiolus species in Armenia?
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Lesley,
I grow G. tristis in a pot in a cold greenhouse. I will probably put it out this year and leave it takes its chances. Have you grown it outdoors?
Paddy
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Paddy,
By mistake a corm of G.tristis made it into the garden in Bulgaria several years ago. The first winter it sat, in leaf, under 85cm of snow, in May it flowered. Ths year it went through multiple snow falls and melts, over two thirds of the leaf length got burned by a cold snap, leaving only the bottom third that was still under snow. Given all that there are now three flowering spikes near to flowering! If you have a spare, give it a go!
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Lesley,
I grow G. tristis in a pot in a cold greenhouse. I will probably put it out this year and leave it takes its chances. Have you grown it outdoors?
Paddy
Only and always. :)
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I am not sure that many of you in the forum will be interested in Gladioulus varieties, but I think that this link will be interesting for some people. The gladiolus culture is very popular in Russia and gladiolus breeding is currently flourishing in this country. Russian hybrids are considered one of the best in the world.
Here is a link to the photogallery of my Moscow colleague Nikolay Kuzmin, who specialises in galdiolus cultivation. The photos of glads are illusrated according to colours. You can have a look and make an impression about Russian varieties. There are many highly decorative and catchy ones.
http://growflowers.ru/photo/
Zhirair,
these gladdies may not be what I'd choose to grow in the garden but they are amazing :o
The large number of florets open at once is obviously something the breeders are aiming for.
Dame Edna would be proud to launch one of these into her audience! ;D
cheers
fermi
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Paddy,
I can vouch for tristis outside here in -8 or -9'C without a problem, even in small pots. Wonderful plants. Gotta love the little Gladdies!! ;D
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Paddy I grow it outside here in East Anglia and it is about to flower here now...but we are a lot drier than you are in Ireland I think that may be the difference.
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Well, it's time to put it out then.
Paddy
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The second color form of Gladiolus triphyllus is just flowering -
see also April 28 th
1. paler form
2. the first one from April
Gerd
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Lovely Gerd
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Beautiful close up photos and lighting Gerd - these gladiolus are really getting to me!
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Thank you both RR and David!
Gerd
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Both are lovely, Gerd. I haven't seen G. triphyllus before. Thanks. 8)
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Gerd, fab looking plants!
Joining the party a little late, Gladiolus tristis in the open garden as per my previous post, I am hoping it won't take over!
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One of my favorits, G. atroviolaceus is a common species in many parts of Jordan, mainly in cultivated fields.
Usually it takes G. italicus habitat in the semidesert areas.
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Oron that is a stunning colour.
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Oron that is a stunning colour.
We where all stunned by it,
all the populations there have this deep color form.
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Oron that is a stunning colour.
i agree seeing that would stop you in your tracks.
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That deep indigo colour is gorgeous.
This little pink is very nice too. It is the South African Gladiolus carmineus and for me it flowers at any time from early autumn (now) to mid spring, even in mid winter sometimes. I don't know what factor makes the difference each year. It grows to about 30cms. I'll pollinate the flowers this afternoon when the flowers are dried off from the little bit of rain we had last night. I did have seed the year before last.
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Oron,
I can only echo what everybody else said... :o :o :o An amazing Gladi !! What a colour !!
Lesley,
That's a very attractive dwarf Gladi... if it ever sets seed... ::) :-* :-* :-*
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Oron, is it possible to collect some wild seed from these G. atroviolaceus for me? I would be very glad to grow it. What a beautiful plant!!!
Cheers, Hans
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One of my favorits, G. atroviolaceus is a common species in many parts of Jordan, mainly in cultivated fields.
Usually it takes G. italicus habitat in the semidesert areas.
Oron, why is it found mainly in cultivated fields? The colour is so intense and glorious, a really lovely Gladiolus.
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Oron, why is it found mainly in cultivated fields? The colour is so intense and glorious, a really lovely Gladiolus.
Ragged,
There are a few bulbous species that have adapted for growing in cultivated fields around the Mediterranean, among them Narcissus tazetta, a few species of Ornithogalum, colchicum, Arum, Bellevalia, Gladiolus and others.
Most of them have adapted to this habitat by developing very deep bulbs so that the tractors ploughing do not get them.
I can think of a few benefits from growing in this habitat, first there is very little competition from other plants, than the soil is being ploughed yearly to make good drainage and pushing the seeds deep down, finally it seems that the commercial fertilizers helps too.
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Luc, if it sets seed I shall think of you. But then, as the song said....."You are always on my mind, you are always on my mind." :-* Was it Willie Nelson? :)
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Oron, why is it found mainly in cultivated fields? The colour is so intense and glorious, a really lovely Gladiolus.
Ragged,
There are a few bulbous species that have adapted for growing in cultivated fields around the Mediterranean, among them Narcissus tazetta, a few species of Ornithogalum, colchicum, Arum, Bellevalia, Gladiolus and others.
Most of them have adapted to this habitat by developing very deep bulbs so that the tractors ploughing do not get them.
I can think of a few benefits from growing in this habitat, first there is very little competition from other plants, than the soil is being ploughed yearly to make good drainage and pushing the seeds deep down, finally it seems that the commercial fertilizers helps too.
All very interesting Oron, thanks so much for taking the time to explain your thoughts ...... bulbs adapting to growing at different levels according to the conditions (even man-made) is a great survival technique!
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This is what I think Gladiolus italicus the small one & Gladiolus byzanthinus the large one
Gladiolus italicus bought in the trade as Gladiolus byzanthinus but as always with a wrong label
probably from the old name Gladiolus byzanthinus ssp. italicus
the last part disappeared from most labels No place to put a correct name
Gladiolus byzanthinus is over 30 cm high at the moment
Gladiolus italicus just 5 cm hight
and both survived -11ºC
I thought I lost them this winter
and some last year pictures
Roland
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as the song said....."You are always on my mind, you are always on my mind." :-* Was it Willie Nelson? :)
Pet Shop Boys
Willie Nelson
Elvis
Michael Buble
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as the song said....."You are always on my mind, you are always on my mind." :-* Was it Willie Nelson? :)
Pet Shop Boys
Willie Nelson
Elvis
Michael Buble
Song was written by Wayne Carson Thompson ; Johnny Christopher ; Mark James.
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Luc, if it sets seed I shall think of you. But then, as the song said....."You are always on my mind, you are always on my mind." :-* Was it Willie Nelson? :)
:-[ :-[ :-[ You're making me blush Lesley !! ;) ;) :-* :-*
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A pink form is always nice Luc. :D
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A pink form is always nice Luc. :D
I won't argue with that statement Lesley ! ;D :D ;)
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In flower now is Gladiolus caeruleus. Seed originated from Silverhill Seeds. Does not seem to increase very much and so far has never set seed.
Mike
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An exquisite form Mike !! :o
Well done !
How tall is it ??
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Thanks Luc
It's 15 to 18 inches --- 40cm tall.
Mike
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A Beauty what can I say more
ok pity it doe's not increase well
and is it a little hardy
Roland
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That is so unusual Mike.... really lovely colour and markings
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A beautiful Gladiolus Mike, such a different colour for the genus. Is it fragrant? Perhaps at night?
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Gladiolus anatolicus is not seen often, it is a small sized species very similar to G. triphyllus from Cyprus.
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Beauty Oron
Is it multiplied from seed??
Roland
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In flower now is Gladiolus caeruleus. Seed originated from Silverhill Seeds. Does not seem to increase very much and so far has never set seed.
Mike
Superb as all S Africans. Is it easy in cultivation? I'm growing only Eurasian gladiolus species. Single S African in my collection is G. flaneganii (I hope it alived this winter, still didn't come up, but I have only second year seedlings, so my experience is very short).
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Janis
I find it difficult to grow well. Its in an open, unheated alpine house in a pot. The bulbs do not seem to be increasing in size or producing any bulbils. I must try harder.
Mike
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Edit by Maggi: Roland wrote,( in the lilium thread) about needing to be exact in naming plants
sometimes it is good to be exact Grin
a good example is Gladiolus communis ssp. byzantinus
and Gladiolus italicus
first it was Gladiolus byzantinus ssp. byzantinus
and Gladiolus byzantinus ssp. italicus
in the trade they made it less complicate
just Gladiolus byzantinus
at the end if you buy in the trade Gladiolus byzantinus ssp. byzantinus
you almost sure get Gladiolus italicus Sad Sad
and Roland showed these two Gladiolus photos to illustrate his words :
Gladiolus communis ssp. byzantinus
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[attach=2]
Gladiolus italicus_03
and then Armin replied, as below and so this discussion was moved to a Gladiolus thread! 8)
Roland,
I fully comply with you.
The Gladiolus are lovely. 8)
Which of the species produces seed with wings (C. communis?)? Do you know?
I collected 2 kind of seeds in Korfu, with and without wings.
Both germinated.
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Armin
I don't know
I multiply these by bulblets
Plants from G.italicus appear 1-2 weeks earlier
and are 1/3 - 1/2 smaller as G.byzantinus
Roland
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Roland
what is the name of this plant ?
I have it collect before 12 years in Toscany ...
Thank you
Hans
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Hans
they look most as Gladiolus byzantinus ssp. byzantinus
do you have a picture of the bulb
Roland
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Roland ,
Thank you for the ID
I will try to remeber when I replant ....
Hans
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Maggi, would it be possible to put these recent picts and notes about Gladiolus, in the Gladiolus thread, just to save a little confusion at some stage? :D
Edit by maggi... it's been done !
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Maggi, would it be possible to put these recent picts and notes about Gladiolus, in the Gladiolus thread, just to save a little confusion at some stage? :D
A great idea. Gladiolus is, for me anyway, a confusing genus of plants with little recent literature as reference. I would love to see a resource, such as we now have for Epimediums (thanks McMark!) and Polygonatum (thanks to Aaron, and quite a few at this point! see where this can lead).
Manno, I love this forum! :-* :-* :-*
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You are right
I just mentioned it there as an example
for name confusing
Roland
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I agree, Folks.... I was just waiting for the discussion to slow down so I could get "moving"! I'll get on that now ;D
so, here we are, merged into a pre-existing 'Glad' threa ..... what can I say... I hope we are all "glad" about it!! ;D ;D :-X
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Thanks Maggi
Here it belongs
Roland
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Very "Glad" Maggi - thank you ! :D
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My Gladiolus autroviolaceous was bought from Janis a few years ago, it nearly died keeping it dry I had only two pinhead sized cormlets from the good corm he sent me, It has spent the last two very wet summers outside in a small clay pot, in sand, with pots of crocus, and flowerd this spring, Gladiolus tristus is hardy here after the coldest winter for ?40 years, but I think that there are fewer flowering corms and the cormlets coped better with the cold,
Please can anyone name this Gladiolus which is in flower at the moment and was grown from seed?
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In flower now is Gladiolus caeruleus. Seed originated from Silverhill Seeds. Does not seem to increase very much and so far has never set seed.
Mike
I have sown this several times, no results yet :'( it looks very lovely
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Gladiolus can be tricky from seed. I've sown some and had good germination and others from what should be reliable sources, with never a sign of even one. G. alatus comes to mind, though others grow it from seed successfully.
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Yes, G alatus does come to mind :-\ but it has flowerd, dont know if its still there though
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For you Gladiolus fans, I have noted an interesting post made by Tony Avent in the pbs lists t about a book he has found online......
http://www.archive.org/stream/gladiolusstudies13beal/gladiolusstudies13beal#page/n5/mode/2up
This is an old publication from Cornell university in 1916 of studies of Gladiolus species by Alvin C. Beal .
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Thanks Maggi
I missed this one from Tony
very good book
a little outdated but with very good text
Roland
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I love those books you just click on the page to turn it. :D
Yes, it looks like a very nice book. I love old books too. :D
A few years back I bought a book by Tony Avent, called, I think, "So you Want to Start a Nursery" or something like that. It was my first Amazon purchase. I knew a lot about starting a (small nursery) and wanted the book because for some reason I thought it was going to be a barrel of laughs and humour. It wasn't, so I was badly disappointed. Gave it away in the finish.
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G. alatus can be a late "bloomer", i.e. germinator - I had only two near-flowering sized plants from seed sown two or three years ago, now the rest have started germinating in the same pot! 8) I'm very happy of course as it's my favorite Gladdy. An elderly, since-deceased friend of mine hated gladioli and used to call them "bloody-olus" - I could never understand why! ::)
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"bloodyolus?" I like it. Though I like gladiolus too, especially the species. I went right off the larger hybrids once Dame Edna got her hands on them but I'm getting over that.
It seems Rogan that G. alatus at least, maybe others as well have a very erratic germination pattern. I never had any come up but maybe I should have waited longer before heaving them, though I think both times it was about 3 years.