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Title: Narcissus provincialis ?
Post by: BULBISSIME on April 07, 2009, 11:22:29 PM
I don't know if this name is still valid, but I've found this small Narcissus this WE near Grasse ( alpes maritîmes, France) in only 2 small stations.
about 15 cm hight
Thank's for your help to put a name on it.. ;)

(http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/11/84/35/03/img_7910.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=494&u=11843503)
(http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/11/84/35/03/img_7911.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=495&u=11843503)
Title: Re: Narcissus provincialis ?
Post by: Gerdk on April 08, 2009, 09:29:22 AM
Sorry, can't help with the name. The naming of the section Pseudonarcissus
(the trumpets) is so confusing that I gave up to follow older descriptions (and don't trust a lot of the newer ones).
It seems a revision is overdue!

You surely know that Blanchard described even this plant from near Grasse.

Nevertheless a most striking plant (and photograph).

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus provincialis ?
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 08, 2009, 11:11:18 PM
A real cutie. It looks quite small and short?
Title: Re: Narcissus provincialis ?
Post by: Brian Duncan on April 14, 2009, 12:26:56 AM
Narcissus provincialis ?
I don't know if this name is still valid, but I've found this small Narcissus this WE near Grasse ( alpes maritîmes, France) in only 2 small stations.
about 15 cm hight
Thank's for your help to put a name on it.. ;)

Fred,
I hope the name is still valid. Ben Zonneveld who has done DNA numbers says it is N. pseudonarcissus ssp. minor. It is certainly very different from the so-called minor from NW Spain that may be just a strong form of N. asturiensis. That amazing population near Grasse is amazing in it's variety - I estimated that about 75% are bi-colours rather than all yellow as you portray in your picture. DNA is a great aid - but observed characteristics - morphology etc must still be key to nomenclature. I like the name N. provincialis - it resides in Provence and is due such recognition.
Brian

Title: Re: Narcissus provincialis ?
Post by: BULBISSIME on April 15, 2009, 03:27:01 PM
Many thank's Brian, I'll keep this name  ;D
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