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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: BULBISSIME on February 09, 2009, 01:45:36 PM
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Allready presented by I.YOUNG but I love this small jewel so Ipost this picture.
Not a very good one : the flower is a little bit damaged but I hope to get some netter ones later ;)
(http://i64.servimg.com/u/f64/11/84/35/03/eos5dm19.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=410&u=11843503)
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Yes, Fred, this is indeed a small jewel.........do you get much/any seed from it?
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Very nice Fred !!
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Not yet Maggi, but I now have 4 different clones so I hope to get seeds this year !
Did you ever sow this sp ?
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We have had seed , Fred, and some babies are coming!
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Happy mama ;D ;)
Maggi, do you grow E. stellata ?
Do you know how to distinguish the 2 species ?
I've both and will have to look carefully, but they seems to be very similar ???
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Bravo Fred. I dream of it but I don't know where *I can find it
Dom (medius)
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I bought it from PJ CHRISTIAN 1 year ago.
Thank's domedius ;D
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I bought one from Edrom at Loughborough last weekend.
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Happy mama ;D ;)
Maggi, do you grow E. stellata ?
Do you know how to distinguish the 2 species ?
I've both and will have to look carefully, but they seems to be very similar ???
We don't have Eranthis stellata, Fred. As far as I know, any differences are minor, in the anther colours, and , of course, in geographical distribution, [pinnatifida being from Japan and stellata from mainland Asia.....that's about the extent of my knowledge.... I think the foliage is ver similar. ???
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Dom mine came from our President Ian of the Christie kind who sometimes offers this plant.
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I bought it from PJ CHRISTIAN 1 year ago.
Thank's domedius ;D
I think I'll do the same? It is so beautiful when you get up close and personal with it. 8)
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I bought it from PJ CHRISTIAN 1 year ago.
So did I but unfortunately it never came up :'(
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Maybe Ian Christie will have some at the EBD?
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And now here is Eranthis stellata, from P CHRISTIAN !
They are completly similar for me !
E. pinnatifida
(http://i64.servimg.com/u/f64/11/84/35/03/eos5dm20.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=411&u=11843503)
E. stellata
(http://i64.servimg.com/u/f64/11/84/35/03/eos5dm21.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=412&u=11843503)
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I grow E pinnatifida and stellata, but neither showing signs of life yet.
Here's a good page for comparision of the species (and a brilliant website, fantastic photography of fantastic plants, take a look if you've a few hours to spare: John Lonsdale at Edgewood garden)
http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/Plants_album/The%20Plants%20-%20%20Complete%20Collection/Ranunculaceae/Eranthis/index2.html (http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/Plants_album/The%20Plants%20-%20%20Complete%20Collection/Ranunculaceae/Eranthis/index2.html)
I grow both, but neither showing signs of life yet.
For the whole site, the home page is http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/ (http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/)
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It looks as if PJC has sent you 2 pinnatifida Fred, and no stellata. Annoying, but I wouldn't be complaining :)
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Here is a pic from a year or two ago of Alan Newton's Eranthis stellata
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So none of the lovely blue colour on the nectaries (?).
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Thank's Maggie ! Look's different !
But I still have problem as we had a look in Floras with some French friends, and E. stellata, in 'Flora of china' is.... Yellow !!
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200008006
I think systematic in this genus is not clear ???
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I grow E pinnatifida and stellata, but neither showing signs of life yet.
I grow both, but neither showing signs of life yet.
Diane,
Do you think Eranthis stellata is hardier than pinnatifida?
I lost the first one when planted it in the garden.
Gerd
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Diane,
Do you think Eranthis stellata is hardier than pinnatifida?
I lost the first one when planted it in the garden. Gerd
I'd always thought that E stellata was hardier, but I'm not sure there's much difference. I grow mine in pots, I wouldn't like to risk them in the ground, with hungry mice and squirrels. Looking at John Lonsdale's site, he is presumably growing them in the open garden. I would think his winter temperatures in Pennsylvania are not so different than ours, perhaps you are a little colder, Gerd?
One problem is establishing new plants, if they are sent dormant in the summer, they can be too dry, so better to try and get hold of growing plants (not an easy task). For the last 4 years, I have collected seed from E pinnatifida, sown it fresh but never had one germinate. What's the secret Maggi?
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We sow back in the pot with the parent, Diane.
Fred, I had not before this read the Flora of China entry for this eranthis! Yes, it does state "yellow"..... I had thought that pinnatifida was a simple regional variation but ..... ???
Alan Newton tells me that the leaves on stellata are not so finely cut as on pinnatifida.
Has anyone seen a yellow E. stellata?
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I'd always thought that E stellata was hardier, but I'm not sure there's much difference. I grow mine in pots, I wouldn't like to risk them in the ground, with hungry mice and squirrels. Looking at John Lonsdale's site, he is presumably growing them in the open garden. I would think his winter temperatures in Pennsylvania are not so different than ours, perhaps you are a little colder, Gerd?
Thank you, Diane. I am USDA - Zone 7 b, maybe you are 8?
Gerd
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Thank you, Diane. I am USDA - Zone 7 b, maybe you are 8? Gerd
Officially, yes, zone 8, although often nearer zone 9 these days, even with current winter. Our lowest this year (and probably for several years) has been -9C and USDA zones are of course only based on minimum winter temperatures. Your summers will be significantly warmer than ours.
I took a look in my pots of E stellata and E pinnatifida today as nothing is yet showing, and both pots have firm tubers in but hardly any sign of life. Interesting how BD Ian 500 miles north of here had pinnatifida in flower, it must be the soil warming cables. My sand plunge is only at about 0C and hasn't been much higher for a couple of weeks or more.
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Diane, BD's Eranthis pinnatifida came out of outside frame with no warming cables. Two weeks ago when he showed the first pic in the BulbLog, he had brought the pot out of that frame into a glass house to stop the emerging flowers being eaten by slugs. :P
Warming cables have only been on the last few nights.
Curiouser and curiouser!
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Diane, BD's Eranthis pinnatifida came out of outside frame with no warming cables. Two weeks ago when he showed the first pic in the BulbLog, he had brought the pot out of that frame into a glass house to stop the emerging flowers being eaten by slugs. :P
Warming cables have only been on the last few nights.
Curiouser and curiouser!
So what's the clue then? Maybe mine are too dry. Also, my greenhouse is fairly shady as is all the garden. Anyway, I don't really mind if they flower later.
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I think the clue is moisture available to the plant.
As you say, Diane, it's no hardship if yours flower later.... perhaps then there are other things to take the attention of the slugs, too! :P
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I think the clue is moisture available to the plant.
As you say, Diane, it's no hardship if yours flower later.... perhaps then there are other things to take the attention of the slugs, too! :P
I've been looking for the pictures from last year, to see when they flowered, but I can't find them for all those d... hepaticas that look similar from a distance, or in a thumbnail
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"Looking at John Lonsdale's site, he is presumably growing them in the open garden. I would think his winter temperatures in Pennsylvania are not so different than ours"
We are USDA zone 6b. Our low this winter so far has been -16C without snow. Eranthis pinnatifida and stellata are grown in raised beds and the open ground and are quite hardy, so I doubt cold is your problem, unless drainage is less than excellent. I noticed E. pinnatifida just coming through at the weekend. Seeds germinate without trouble the first spring after being sown fresh.
Best,
John
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"Looking at John Lonsdale's site, he is presumably growing them in the open garden. I would think his winter temperatures in Pennsylvania are not so different than ours"
We are USDA zone 6b. Our low this winter so far has been -16C without snow. Eranthis pinnatifida and stellata are grown in raised beds and the open ground and are quite hardy, so I doubt cold is your problem, unless drainage is less than excellent. I noticed E. pinnatifida just coming through at the weekend. Seeds germinate without trouble the first spring after being sown fresh. Best, John
Thanks, John, I assumed you would be a notch colder than us, although not so much. Your conditions clearly suit them well. If they were outside here, winter drainage would be less than excellent (distinctly soggy) so pots are easier to control. If they are coming through now, what's your temperature at the moment? (here about -4C by night, maybe +4C by day, with no sun)
Your pictures are fantastic, by the way (and the whole site, one of my favourites)
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Hi Diane,
Plenty of sun here, highs in the 30s to 40s, lows in the 20s, although there's plenty of time for that to change. To give some perspective, it will be 3 weeks before we have any hellebores in flower, Cyclamen coum is a couple of weeks away from first flower, snowdrops are just up and the first is flowering; early crocuses, Iris rosenbachiana and Iris histrio are flowering in the warmest part of the garden. In the greenhouse I have Fritillaria striata and the Rhinopetalum group in flower.
Best,
John