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Title: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: gervandenbeuken on February 01, 2009, 07:24:00 PM
Some photos of our last expedition we made to S. Patagonia in November 2008.
I'm planning a new expedition now more to the north of Patagonia (Neuquen)
We want to go with a group of 16 persons. There is still a chance to join the group because there are still a few spare places.
Interest? Let me know and I will send you the itinerary, including time,price and other interesting documentation.
Attached photos are:

Anarthrophyllum desideratum yellow
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: Ewelina Wajgert on February 01, 2009, 07:41:56 PM
Ger,
I have got to write the post with the favour to you down, in order you upload the photos from your trip, but I didn't manage.
You have passed me.

In that case, I watch your thread.
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: gervandenbeuken on February 01, 2009, 08:03:28 PM

Torres del Paine
Adesmia ameghinoi
Adesmia sp.
Adesmia sp.

Alstroemeria patagonica
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: gervandenbeuken on February 01, 2009, 08:06:21 PM
I have to learn still a lot, but my brain is working

Anarthrophyllum desideratum
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 01, 2009, 09:21:02 PM
These are plants to die for. Thank you Ger for taking us to this incredible place. And please, post as many pictures as you have and give us as much information as you can. Most of us will never get there in any other way. The red and yellow Anarthrophyllums in the same photo are amazing.
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: johnw on February 01, 2009, 09:35:49 PM
Ger - Thanks a million.   I recently Anarthrophyllum desideratum that a UK party had discover the yellow form and now here it is before me. Fantastic.

Does anyone on the plant grow it?

john
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: Ewelina Wajgert on February 01, 2009, 10:02:08 PM
Ger,
I cann't sleep in amazement.

Thank you for the photos.
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 01, 2009, 11:16:24 PM
Ger - Thanks a million.   I recently Anarthrophyllum desideratum that a UK party had discover the yellow form and now here it is before me. Fantastic.

Does anyone on the plant grow it?

john

I had some germinate once, from a Flores and Watson collection, maybe 15 years ago. Germinated well, damped off right away. :'(
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 02, 2009, 08:15:48 AM
Hello Ger !
I witnessed your talk in Utrecht about Patagonia a couple of months ago and was blown away by the beauty of the pictures.  It's very nice to see them here again.  :o

And... Lesley, therefore I know he has lots more pix...  ;)
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: gervandenbeuken on February 02, 2009, 08:50:47 AM
there we go again folks!!!
Anathrophyllum patagonicum
Astragalus domeykoanus
Astragalus palanae
Benthamiella azorella
Benthamiella nordenskjoldii
Benthamiella patagonica
Berberis empetrifolia
Bolax gummifera
Calandrinia caespitosa ssp. skottsbergii
Calceolaria biflora
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: gervandenbeuken on February 02, 2009, 09:02:21 AM
next post,
Calceolaria uniflora x C. polyrrhiza
Calceolaria polyrrhiza
Calceolaria uniflora ssp. darwinii
Chloraea alpina
Chuquiragia aurea
Cyttaria darwinii
Embothryum coccineum
Embothryum coccineum (background Perito Moreno Glacier)
Ephedra frustillata
Fabiana nana

Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: gervandenbeuken on February 02, 2009, 09:16:04 AM
Ephedra frustillata
Hamadryas delfinii
Hamadryas kingii
Hypochaeris incana
Hypochaeris incana
Junellia aff. sylvestrii
Junellia azorelloides
Junellia ligustrina
Junellia odonellii
Junellia patagonica





Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 02, 2009, 09:17:18 AM
Still as amazing as when I saw them in Utrecht Ger !!!  :o :o
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: gervandenbeuken on February 02, 2009, 09:40:51 AM
Junellia mulinoides
Junellia sp.
Junellia tridens
Lecanophora subacaule
Lecanophora subacaule
Leucheria hahnii
Leucheria purpurea
Moschopsis rosulata
Mte Zeballos
Mte Zeballos
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: gervandenbeuken on February 02, 2009, 09:51:51 AM
Mulinum hallii
Nardophyllum obtusifolium
Nassauvia glomerulosa
Nassauvia lagascae ssp.lagascae
Neobacklea crispifolia
Olsynium biflorum
Olsynium biflorum ssp.lyckholmii
Olsynium junceum
Oreopolus glacialis
Oreopolus glacialis
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: gervandenbeuken on February 02, 2009, 10:02:05 AM
Oxalis adenophylla
Oxalis adenophylla
Oxalis adenophylla
Oxalis enneaphylla
Oxalis enneaphylla
Oxalis enneaphylla
Oxalis enneaphylla
Oxalis enneaphylla
Oxalis enneaphylla
Oxalis laciniata
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: gervandenbeuken on February 02, 2009, 10:21:59 AM
Oxalis laciniata
Oxalis laciniata
Oxalis laciniata blue form
Oxalis loricata
Oxalis squamosa-radicata ssp. pubescens
National Parque Torres del Paine
National Parque Perito Moreno
Viola auricolor
Viola auricolor
Viola auricolor
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: gervandenbeuken on February 02, 2009, 10:31:17 AM
just two pictures.
Group 2007
Group 2008

I hope you enjoy
Ger
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: Ian Y on February 02, 2009, 10:33:20 AM
Ger, what a stunning series of images.
Incredible plants and scenery captured artistically and shared with us all on the forum.
THANK YOU.

I love them all but especially the Oxalis because we can grow them in Scotland.
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: Diane Clement on February 02, 2009, 11:13:30 AM
Fantastic pictures, thanks for showing them, Ger.  Some familiar faces in the 2007 group picture  ;)
I especially like the Anarthrophyllum and Nassauvia lagascae both of which I have managed to germinate in the past, although not got them much further

The Oxalis squamosa-radicata ssp. pubescens is a stunner, is anyone growing this in cultivation?
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: gervandenbeuken on February 02, 2009, 11:18:06 AM
Hi Ian,
thanks for your reply.
It was a real surprise for me to see Oxalis enneaphylla just in the south of Patagonia.
The limit where Oxalis enneaphylla is growing is about where the Mte Zeballos starts more to the north.
Mte Zeballos and again more to the north is the area where Oxalis adenophylla was growing.
The most spectacular plants however we found on the Passo Roballos. About 1500 meter altitude.
This is also the place where we found the very rare Oxalis squamosa-radicata ssp. pubscens.
The best forms of Oxalis laciniata were growing in the extremely south of Patagonia, surroundings Stag River.
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: gervandenbeuken on February 02, 2009, 11:21:10 AM
Diane, as far as I know it is not in culture. It is a real rare plant.
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: Brian Ellis on February 02, 2009, 12:01:51 PM
I'm absolutely bowled over Ger, many thanks for posting these wonderful pictures.
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: Lvandelft on February 02, 2009, 12:16:06 PM
Ger, at last you made it to become a "real" Forumist  ;D ;D
What a spectacular start! Thanks for showing!
I hope you can show us more??
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: gervandenbeuken on February 02, 2009, 12:25:55 PM
What else do you like to see Luit?
It's still frozen everything and the seeds are sown. It means I have some spare time to get on the forum!!
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: Gerdk on February 02, 2009, 12:41:08 PM
Don't know what to admire most - what a landscape and what a flora!
Besides Viola auricolor Alstroemeria patagonica and the Olsyniums make me very nervous.

Gerd
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: Maggi Young on February 02, 2009, 12:58:28 PM
So many wonderful plants...I must pick out Neobacklea crispifolia and Olsynium biflorum ssp.lyckholmii  :o :o :D Superb!

Your brain is working very well, Ger! You have found that the 700 x 465 is a good size. Having the names in the post is needed to allow the search engine to find them!



 For anyone who thinks the photos seem small, I remind you to click on the pictures to enlarge them!          
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: ranunculus on February 02, 2009, 01:19:57 PM
Absolutely stunning, Ger ... ANY other images will be much appreciated ... and, if possible, some logistics of your trip.  Number of days, miles travelled, accommodation, etc. please?
Would LOVE to make that tour ....
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 02, 2009, 01:49:33 PM
Fabulous pictures Ger !!!  :o :o  What a country !!!
Thanks again for posting them !
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: Carlo on February 02, 2009, 03:16:29 PM
LOVE the Moschopsis rosulata...wow!
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: gervandenbeuken on February 02, 2009, 03:20:38 PM
besides a few mistakes I was able to get my images on the forum.
Thanks a lot Maggie for your explanation how to fix it.

and Luc, the picures on the forum are from our 2008 tour. The picures from my talk in Utrecht were from the 2007 tour.
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: Maggi Young on February 02, 2009, 03:31:27 PM
Ger, is there any chance that the Moschopsis rosulata might be Moschopsis trilobata ?
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: gervandenbeuken on February 02, 2009, 03:50:42 PM
No Maggie, this is the good name for this plant
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: Maggi Young on February 02, 2009, 03:54:13 PM
Thank you, Ger.  I had seen pictures of these plants from the Birks ( in Ireland at the Termonfeckin weekend some years ago, I think!) and I remembered that rosulata had more undulations to the leaf margins than trilobata, which made me ask the question.
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: gervandenbeuken on February 02, 2009, 05:14:12 PM
Maggie,  the photo of the species I have shown is definately Moschopsis rosulata.
This is confirmed by Martin Sheader, Lars Andersen and Marcela Ferreyra.
Lovely to be on the forum. I started too late.
Ger
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: ruweiss on February 02, 2009, 07:59:33 PM
Ger, thank you so much for taking us to this floral paradise. Flower pictures from this part
of the world are still very rare to see!
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 02, 2009, 08:12:01 PM
It breaks my heart that I have had quite a few of these plants, briefly, from earlier Watson collections (seed) and before MAF and ERMA became nasty. I am heartened by the picture of Calandrinia caespitosa which also shows a healthy dendelion. I can grow dandelions and if it grows where these grow, by implication I could grow these too. QED. But alas, it is NOT D.

A miliion thanks again Ger for this wonderful display. You will treasure this fantastic trip and others like it for all your life.
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: tonyg on February 02, 2009, 09:25:38 PM
In a forum with some fantastic threads this is THE best so far this year .... stunning scenery, rarely seen plants, photography of the highest standard.  Thanks for your time and effort reporting to us.  I only wish I could spare the time and the cash to join the next trip.
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: Lvandelft on February 02, 2009, 09:31:16 PM
What else do you like to see Luit?
It's still frozen everything and the seeds are sown. It means I have some spare time to get on the forum!!
Ger, as I know you make beautiful pictures, it does not matter what you show us.
In this grey, cold weather we need colourful pictures to cheer up ;D ;D
Even pictures of your visit here might help now in some other Thread, because I don't see any
colour outside till now. ;) ;)

Groeten aan Mariet!
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: BULBISSIME on February 02, 2009, 10:26:12 PM
What else ???
FANTASTIC pictures from a rarely seen area.
I'll go tomorrow morning to buy TICKETS FOR THE LOTTERY :D :P
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: cohan on February 23, 2009, 02:57:55 AM
LOVE the Moschopsis rosulata...wow!

this one also caught my eye! small rosette plants are among my very favourites--of course that means that the viola kills me!! (violas are another fave category, so this one scores twice)..
and then, all those amazing cushions!
stunning environments and plants, thanks for sharing, ger!
i will be keeping track of a few of these in case i ever see them offered, which brings me to a question:
what kind of minimum low temepratrues does this area have? i'm assuming most of these would be slightly heated cold house plants, for me....
Title: Re: S. Patagonia (Argentina)
Post by: gervandenbeuken on March 06, 2009, 10:20:57 AM
Soils are generally rocky and sandy, poor in fine material and organic matter. Climate is cold
and dry, with some winter snow and frosts at any time. Mean annual temperatures range from
7.0 to 13.4°C, mean minimum temperatures 1.7 to 7.9°C, absolute minimum temperatures -
5.4 to -24.5°C, and annual precipitation ranges from 116 to 422 mm.
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