Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
General Subjects => Alpines => Topic started by: Maggi Young on January 28, 2009, 04:21:07 PM
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Here a few Dionysia pictures from our good friend Alan Newton...........
IMGP1226 Ju Bramley ( afghanica hyb )
IMGP1227 Ju Bramley
IMGP1228 aimee (hyb )
IMGP1229 denticulata
IMGP1231 bazoftica forma Mayr
IMGP1232 Theta
IMGP1239 afghanica
IMGP1240 termeana
IMGP1241 Theta ( afghanica hyb )
IMGP1242 bazoftica forma Mayr
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Oooof...if only...
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Oh ... Theta ... Theta ... Theta ... What a beauty!
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Cor blimey, what gems.
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Absolutely beautiful :) :) :)
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Thank Alan for showing us these gems Maggi ! Great to see them here !!
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I rather think he will read your comments and be pleased, Luc!
He has some very fine plants indeed... and they are well-grown too, though he hasn't many rhododendrons :P ::)
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Well you can't have it all Maggi - at least there's quite some Rhodo's around on the Forum from other sources and very (too) little Dio's... :P
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Well you can't have it all Maggi - at least there's quite some Rhodo's around on the Forum from other sources and very (too) little Dio's... :P
I know, Luc, it is great to have the Dios shown here.... I am most grateful to Alan, believe me!
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I have to echo Carlo. If only.......we could get them.......we could grow them. Thanks Alan/Maggi for the pictures though.
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More treats in store, Folks... these photos just in from Ger van den Beuken.......
Alpiene house Ger van den Beuken dionysia-collectie2 [
Dionysia afghanica GW-H 1308
Dionysia aretioides Bevere2
Dionysia bryoides JLMS 4 vormen
dionysia Ewesley Theta 2
Dionysia hausknechtii
Dionysia microphylla seedling 1
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and a second batch......
As ever: click the pix to enlarge the images.....
Dionysia 'Perlmut'
Dionysia viscidula x freitagii EGW 94-1
Dionysia 'Zdenek Zvolanek
Dionysia'Annielle'
Dionysia esfandiarii
dionysias afghanica seedling
dionysias bazoftica red form
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Just INCREDIBLE ... and just SO beautiful ...
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Maggi, I am gobsmacked!!
I have run out of superlatives ::)
If I had to choose a favourite, it would be Dionysia afghanica ;D ;D ;D
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Good taste, Helen!
These cushion plants in the primula family row tend to grow mostly in cliffs in Iran, Afghanistan and the likes..... they can be more than a little difficult in cultivation but, as you can see, when grown well they are a real joy. Out of flower most make very attractive little buns of foliage and then when really happy and full of health, they cover themselves with these lovely flowers.
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and Ger's list JUST came in in the last day or two..........oh......oh......
edit by Maggi...... Yes, if anyone wants the list email me!
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Helen, it's not too difficult here in the Netherlands to grow Dionysias. Just a matter of climate, some experience and taking cuttings as many as you can to keep the collection up to date.
Cuttings of D. afganica for example are difficult to take but quite easy to root. The problems often start after potting. The plants seem to die back very easy. Also at the moment of potting you have to be also quite lucky with the weather. (not too warm)
This is however not the reason that there are almost no Dionysias included in my list.
Last season I was not focused enough on this genus, which is actually a shame. I will do my best next spring!!
Ger
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Ger...great to have you on the list! How's Mariet (oh...and all the plants too...)?
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What fascinating plants, I fell in love with them since more than 25 years ago when I saw
the first specimen in Michael Kammerlander's collection. In the meantime,many new species
got introduced and many splendid hybrids were raised.
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Mariet is fine Carlo. We hope you and Sharon are keeping well.
The alpines are still under cover but don't look too bad. I hope most of them will survive our rather hard winter.
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Ger,
What is on your avatar in the background?
Wonderful collection of plants.
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Welcome back Ewelina, we haven't heard from you for quite a long time. I hope all is well with you.
Carlo, do you mean the Ger has a LIST? a seed list maybe?
If that's so, please Maggi?
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Welcome back Ewelina, we haven't heard from you for quite a long time. I hope all is well with you.
Hi Lesley,
Yes, all is well with me. I travel a little...
Last year I have made 10 trips (in Poland and foreign countries, short and longer), on Saturday I trip again for 2 weeks. Perhaps later I calm down for longer. Although I have still in Poland the places, that I would visit.
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Helen, it's not too difficult here in the Netherlands to grow Dionysias. Just a matter of climate, some experience and taking cuttings as many as you can to keep the collection up to date.
Cuttings of D. afganica for example are difficult to take but quite easy to root. The problems often start after potting. The plants seem to die back very easy. Also at the moment of potting you have to be also quite lucky with the weather. (not too warm)
This is however not the reason that there are almost no Dionysias included in my list.
Last season I was not focused enough on this genus, which is actually a shame. I will do my best next spring!!
Ger
Ger, thank you for your advice on Dionysias, they are truly beautiful and I look forward to next Spring.
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I'm sorry Lesley, I do not have a seedlist. I have just only a plantlist. I admit however that just a few Dionysias are included.
If you have any interest, please let me know and I will send you my latest list.
Concerning your question Evelina, I would like to know what you mean with, "Your avatar in the background"
Ger
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Concerning your question Evelina, I would like to know what you mean with, "Your avatar in the background"
Ger
Where have you taken the photo, which you have as avatar? This landscape resemble me something.
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It was taken in 2007 near the Perito Moreno Glacier in S. Patagonia. (Argentina)
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Thank you Ger. Two Forumists have already sent me your wonderful list and I'm about to lie on the floor and scream in desperation at all those incredible saxifrages which I can't have. We have almost none in NZ now - and those few mostly wrongly named, old vars - as we've had a succession of long, hot, dry summers and we don't garden in alpine houses here, just in the open, so we've lost most of what we had.
A great pleasure to see the list and dream...... :P
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What is the problem Lesley with growing Saxes in N.Zealand.
Is it a matter of climate??
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It's partly climate Ger, in that we have to grow them in full shade during the warmer part of the year (4 or 5 months or more). That can be done all right. The real problem is that we can no longer import new stock. The costs of importing are astronomical - many thousands of dollars for even a small consignment so that no-one could contemplate it. All plants coming in have a 12 month quarantine period and as well, must have generic and specific names attached, so that many modern saxes would be difficult to identify back that far.
In 1993, before the current horrific regulations were fully in place, I brought in about 60 hybrids new to NZ, some from the Czech Republic and the rest from the UK. When they arrived their treatment by MAF during the inspection process, was such that not a single one survived. I had a quarantine facility at that time and the full costs of quarantining were not put on the user. Now they are and it is all impossible.
Our only possible way to get new saxifrages would be to bring in some seed and make our own hybrids, a long term project for young growers, but there are not so many of those around I'm afraid. Most of our young gardeners, if interested in such projects, are so besotted by our native plants that saxifrages, dionysias, primulas or whatever, are way off their radar.
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Hello Ger,
I know your alpine house and your Dionysias but your recent pictures have taken me breath, particularly your afganica. There is however another plant which I envy. It is your D. denticulata. I grow it for ages (it however lives about three years for me and I permanently keep it by cuttings) and I am not able to keep it compact. My denticulata is always too leggy. You know my alpine house and its surroundings. Can you give me some advise? Can it be so because my A.H. is too shaded by surrounding shrubs of hazelnut? The same problem I have with D. archibaldii whilst other my Dionysias are quite good.
I attach here a not too good picture of my Dionysia denticulata.
Zdenek
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Hello Zdenek,
so nice to meet you on the forum.
Your alpinehouse has an excellent place in your garden Zdenek. So this is definately not the problem.
The reason that we can't keep D. denticulata and D. archibaldii in caracter is a matter of climate and substrate.
I have discussed this many times with Michael Kammerlander and it seems that everybody has the same problems with these species.
Also all the cultivars with archibaldii blood have this property of things when they are getting older than 3 or 4 years.
The only thing you can do is using a rather poor mineral mix of course sand, perlite, pummice, tufa grit if available and a small part of good potting compost. So the best remedy is to keep your plants not longer than 3 or 4 years and take cuttings as many as you can.
Ger
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Thank you, Ger,
I am trying to keep my compost very poor, of course. Nevertheless, after reading your reply I noticed, that I confused it. The picture of D. denticulata is not from your garden, but from Allan Newton, sorry.
Zdenek
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I recently visited Mike & Ju Bramley near Chesterfield UK. They are good friends with Michael K and have Dionysia afghanica hybrids named after them! (As Zdenek has also I think?)
They have a brilliant system for keeping moisture levels right, copied from MK. Here are a couple of pics of the deep plunge. A gravel layer at the bottom is seperated from the sand by a layer of weed supressing membrane. Water is added down the small pipe and excess drains out into the large pipe which has a plug at the bottom.
The plants looked healthy including some tricky species.
Dionysia afghanica
Dionyisia bazoftica
Dionysia bazoftica Amethyst
Dionyisia 'Judith Bramley' - afghanica x