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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Oron Peri on January 15, 2009, 09:30:57 AM
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Scilla cilicica is starting to flower, photos taken during this week in my collection and in its natural habitat.
This early bloomer is a part of a program of saving a few species of bulbous plants from my area, species that are on their way to extinction.
This S. cilicica from Mt. Carmel which I have started from 9 seeds 8 years ago.
At the moment I have allready more than 200 plants and in a year or too i am planing to replant some back in the same place where seeds have been collected.
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Great initiative Oron !!! :D
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Beautiful one :D - looks close to S. hohenackeri and S.greilhuberi.
At the Banian Falls i saw a large Scilla(?) - do you know which is growing there?
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You have probably seen S. hyacinthoides.
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yessss - thanks a lot. :)
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A Scilla which run a time as "Scilla sp." in my garden (because I lost the label :-[) : Scilla aristides
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Very nice Hans !!
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Is it hard enough for the northwest of Germany?
Or better inside a glasshouse?
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A Scilla which run a time as "Scilla sp." in my garden (because I lost the label :-[) : Scilla aristides
Mind the label, I hope you find it when it has seeds on... ::) ;)
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This early bloomer is a part of a program of saving a few species of bulbous plants from my area, species that are on their way to extinction.
really nice plant, and great initiative! i'm hoping you will share some of the other species you are working with ..
cohan
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Forgive me Maggi if someone has used this subject already, but I didn't spot it if so. Here is a sweet little Scilla ingridae that opened for me a couple of days ago.
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A Scilla 2009 page was already opened, but in Flowering Now.... I have merged the two Scilla pages and brought them to Bulbs General.
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Thanks Maggi. You really should have been a librarian....
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Thanks Maggi. You really should have been a librarian....
Now, Christine, you KNOW if there is one career I could never have tackled, that's the one......THINK of how noisy I am! :-[ ::) ;D Naughty of you to tease me! :D
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Sssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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the first one in my garden : Scilla aristides too :
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Bio wonderful view! :D
Mind the label, I hope you find it when it has seeds on... ::) ;)
It is labeled again. 8) ;)
Onion because of its origin I would prefer to grow it in a glasshouse (possibly bulbframe) in Germany.
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Here is one from the botanical garden in Ajuda Lisbon.
Scilla peruviana
It was not fully open but nice anyway.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Here is Scilla greilhuberi now in bloom in my protected cold frame.
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That's really nice, Jim. I have a bulb of this but it has yet to flower for me. Must be patient.
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Scilla bifolia 08-03-09 Colli Euganei Padova Italy
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Has anyone any knowledge of Scilla krousii? I can find the name in a catalogue but no more information than that.
thanks
Sue
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Scilla kraussii?
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Hi Sue,
I saw one web site that mentioned it might be synonymous with Scilla natalensis, a plant I have, grown from seed, in a pot. If yours and mine both flower, maybe we can do some comparison to see if this allegation is correct. I could only find S. natalensis in the Elsa Pooley book.
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You will see a lot more info under its current name, Merwilla natalensis. Scilla kraussii is supposed to be another South African species.
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Sue, this may be of help....... http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/pbs/2004-October/019726.html
more help, I imagine, than this.......
"The bulbs of Merwilla natalensis have yielded two known homoisoflavanones, the known spirocyclic homoisoflavanone, scillascillin, four known nortriterpenoids, and the new nortriterpenoid, (22R,23S)-17α,23-epoxy-22,29-dihydroxy-27-nor-lanost-8-en-3,24-dione (1), bisnortriterpenoid, (22R,23S)-17α,23-epoxy-3β,22,24ξ-trihydroxy-27,28-bisnor-lanost-8-ene (2), and trisnortriterpenoid, (23S)-17α,23-epoxy-3β,24ξ-dihydroxy-27,28,29-trisnor-lanost-8-ene (3). The structures of 1−3 were determined by spectroscopic methods. " :-\
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My 2007/8 Plantfinder signposts me from Scilla natalensis to Merwilla plumbea. Have they got it wrong Ezieza?
Maggi - what a bewildering statement that is. To think that someone sits in an office composing a sentence like that! Beggar's belief!
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Maggie, that is evident when seeing an image of the plant!
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Silverhill Seeds say Scilla krausii has been lumped in with Scilla natalensis and they are now both Merwilla natalensis. It's good that they are no longer in Scilla, but I get the feeling the lumping into one species isn't appreciated.
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OK, so to sumarise, Scilla krousii is now subsumed of Merwilla natalensis - which I already grow, but may be worth obtaining as not everyone is convinced that lumping them together is correct. That's helpful - I'd not picked up on the link with natalensis. The company I've been looking at list it separately and talk about it being a miniature - might be worth the investment just to see what turns up I think! Thanks everyone for helping to sort that out, much appreciated.
Sue, this may be of help....... http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/pbs/2004-October/019726.html
more help, I imagine, than this.......
"The bulbs of Merwilla natalensis have yielded two known homoisoflavanones, the known spirocyclic homoisoflavanone, scillascillin, four known nortriterpenoids, and the new nortriterpenoid, (22R,23S)-17α,23-epoxy-22,29-dihydroxy-27-nor-lanost-8-en-3,24-dione (1), bisnortriterpenoid, (22R,23S)-17α,23-epoxy-3β,22,24ξ-trihydroxy-27,28-bisnor-lanost-8-ene (2), and trisnortriterpenoid, (23S)-17α,23-epoxy-3β,24ξ-dihydroxy-27,28,29-trisnor-lanost-8-ene (3). The structures of 1−3 were determined by spectroscopic methods. " :-\
Oh I don't know Maggie, as a cure for insommnia I bet it is brilliant ;D
This was on the Pacific Bulb Society pages http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/pbs/2003-December/016258.html (http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/pbs/2003-December/016258.html) More understandable than the above certainly!
Thanks again
Sue
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Thanks for that link, Sue. Nice to know someone has read the Plain English Guide'. ;D
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And all this lead me to a site that tells me they must grow like nerines, half way above ground. I'm going to repot my bulb today and see if it improves its performance!
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Again, Scilla KRAUSSII and Scilla nervosa are now considered forms of the variable ex Scilla natalensis, which is currently widely accepted in a new genus, Merwilla.
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Again, Scilla KRAUSSII and Scilla nervosa are now considered forms of the variable ex Scilla natalensis, which is currently widely accepted in a new genus, Merwilla.
Sorry Ezeiza, I wasn't meaning to suggest they wern't Merwilla's, you were clear and helpful about that.
Sue
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Chris, it grows with the bulb a third or so above the ground level. It thrives on good drainage and high temperatures. It is a large bulb and demands really big containers. Mature bulbs offset, slowly.
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Ezieza - thanks for the tip. Mine has been grown from Silverhills seed. I've kept it in a pot, repotting each year and the leaves are now about 2 inches across when it starts to grow, but no flower as yet. I live in hope. BTW - where abouts are you in the world? Could you add to your sig please?
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Hi:
I am in south America, near buenos Aires, Argentina.
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Wow, such a long way away! You seem to know a lot about growing South African plants! Please put that on your sig when you get a minute, it really does help us when we are corresponding. Thanks for all your help
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Well, Chris, in the good old days we had 700 species of South African bulbs, now a lot less.
Alberto
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Oh my, you have lots of experience with them then. I checked my bulb and it has begun growing up out of the soil a little, so I shall get it all out, repot it and hope it responds to being above ground more. I shall keep it in the greenhouse on the sunny side so it has a chance to get any available heat and sunshine this summer, to help it gain the sustenance it requires to flower. I really want this bulb to flower for me! Thanks for adding your location1
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Well, it is possibly one year to flowering size. It is not anything to faint at, but fascinating as all wild plants.
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If it flowers it will be my first ever bulb grown from seed, to flower, so will be important to me anyway. The picture in Elsa Pooley's guide looks nice, so I'm hoping it will flower one day! a long wait....
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Sorry, no meant to be rude. Had no idea!
It is a fine plant only that the flower spike is too open as compared to Urginea maritima or the Eremuruses.
Best of lucks
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No need to apologise, I am most grateful for your helpful advice!
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OK.
As for Scilla plumbea, mentioned above, it is a plant different than Merwilla natalensis and occurs in the opposite climate pattern.
It is not wrong to cinlude it as a synonim of Merwilla natalensis.
alberto
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Scilla bithynica in oak woodland, Strandja area, SE Bulgaria.
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Having had to remove the bulbs from a vole infested frame, and then having the lid of the new frame blow off in gales taking labels with it- these are Scilla species 1 and 2 very similar apart from pollen colour. Any chance that either of these is Scilla sibirica 'Penza' or Scilla x sibrose?
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Having had to remove the bulbs from a vole infested frame, and then having the lid of the new frame blow off in gales taking labels with it- these are Scilla species 1 and 2 very similar apart from pollen colour. Any chance that either of these is Scilla sibirica 'Penza' or Scilla x sibrose?
They are not like my Scilla sibirica Penza which has black pollen. There's a picture somewhere on this forum, but I can't find it, so will post again here
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Thanks Diane- yes that is very different.
Has anyone invented microchipping for plants- just in case their labels go astray?
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three in flower now.
The first is a lost label one,the second Scilla sp from Turkey and the third is self seeding in the front garden from being thrown out in old potting compost
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The 2nd one is very nice it looks like something between Ss.ingridae and melaina.
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here are another four, Scilla armena and three sp.
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"Has anyone invented microchipping for plants- just in case their labels go astray?"
The problem of labelling is a substantial one. Brian Mathew writes the info twice, one that will stay buried and the other visible. When a cat or an involuntary movement breaks it, the buried portion remains in place and the ID is not lost.
To me the most genial solution is that of Bob Rutemoeller of California. He puts a label with all the ID at the bottom of the pot, then the mix, bulb, mix, etc. and a second visible label as is the normal practice. I can not think of any accident, vandalism, whatever that is not solved with this method. I have doubts concerning tsunamis tho, but for the rest.....
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The first Scilla to flower in my garden is always Scilla mischtschenkoana.
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I am normally very good with labelling and I had a detailed plan using grids of where every plant was placed. Then the voles came- they mainly ate Crocus, but many of the other bulbs were taken and stored in underground chambers and passages, or pushed aside and mixed with others. This is why some of my ids have tentative names attached- if I know I had a Scilla in the area where I later found a Scilla bulb, but some of it is just guess work. ::)
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here are another four, Scilla armena and three sp.
The 4th one again is lovely, is there any chance that 2 and 3 are forms of S.armena?
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Flowering now in the rock garden Scilla greilhuberi (?)
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here are another four, Scilla armena and three sp.
The 4th one again is lovely, is there any chance that 2 and 3 are forms of S.armena?
The third one is Scilla armena but not the third. Duzuci is down near Osmanyie quite close to Adana
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Tony
Regarding the forth plant, no doubt it has S. biflora in it, the leaves and the typical S. biflolia pedicals.
I say it has S . bifolia in it, because it seems to me to be a natural hybrid, and i would even guess it is an hybrid with a Chionodoxa.
x Chionoscilla allenii [chionodoxa lucilliae X scilla bifolia] might be one possibility???
As for the third, I can think of S.melaina.
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I read this today in an atricle about splitting up the genus Scilla to make more sense of it.
Finally, what is left of Scilla includes species such as S. bifolia as well
as the now defunct genus Chionodoxa (which itself forms 2 unrelated groups).
It does make sense of the whole fertile intergeneric hybrid thing with Scilla and Chionodoxa. I'm not normally a splitter by the way.
See http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/pbs/2003-December/016258.html (http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/pbs/2003-December/016258.html)
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I read this today in an atricle about splitting up the genus Scilla to make more sense of it. It does make sense of the whole fertile intergeneric hybrid thing with Scilla and Chionodoxa. I'm not normally a splitter by the way.
This is an interesting development and some of these new groupings mentioned in the PBS article are now accepted by Kew in their recent monocot database (Fessia, Barnardia). However, the Kew list does not go along with the statement "no evidence exists to support the separation of Muscari into the genera Muscarimia, Leopoldia, or Pseudomuscari" as it has brought back Leopoldia and Pseudomuscari, but rejected Muscarimia.
More intriguing are the Kew family changes. They (all the little blue bulbs and relatives) have all been taken out of previous genus Hyacinthaceae and put into Asparagaceae (!), along with Hosta, Agave and various other genera previously not believed very closely related from other families.
DNA research is certainly turning up some odd proposals
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More intriguing are the Kew family changes. They (all the little blue bulbs and relatives) have all been taken out of previous genus Hyacinthaceae and put into Asparagaceae (!), along with Hosta, Agave and various other genera previously not believed very closely related from other families. DNA research is certainly turning up some odd proposals
I hadn't heard this- and it really is supported by DNA research?
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I hadn't heard this- and it really is supported by DNA research?
I believe most of the recent changed are from DNA research, but some may be due to taxonomic rules, etc. Some of it is highly controversial, for example, Amaryllidaceae the whole family is now included in Alliaceae, a family that didn't even exist 20 or so years ago, making Allium the type genus.
DNA research isn't final or conclusive as cyclamen research has shown different relationships by different researchers, all using DNA methods but working in different ways. So we are probably due for more changes in the future as different ideas emerge.
The Kew database is here, in case you hadn't seen it.
http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/home.do (http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/home.do)
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I read this today in an atricle about splitting up the genus Scilla to make more sense of it.
Finally, what is left of Scilla includes species such as S. bifolia as well
as the now defunct genus Chionodoxa (which itself forms 2 unrelated groups).
It does make sense of the whole fertile intergeneric hybrid thing with Scilla and Chionodoxa. I'm not normally a splitter by the way.
See http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/pbs/2003-December/016258.html (http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/pbs/2003-December/016258.html)
I'm too old to learn so many new names. I prefair to stay at old, easy and very common Scilla. When I was young I tried to follow all those new names, but not more. Of course - I agree with those genetical researches but how we practical gardeners can use them for identification of our plants without expensive laboratory and deep knowlege in molecular genetics?
Janis
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2 Scilla in the frame- both sadly with missing labels. The first I posted last week when it started to flower but it is out more now.
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I have moved various posts creating a semantic discussion to a new thread..... let's keep this one for the plants :D
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two pictures of Scilla bythinica which is my favorite one.
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Fantastic species Tony.
Amazing to see the perfect synchronization of the three cycles of blooming.
Thanks for showing it.
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Tony,
S. bythinica is a real stunner !! :o
I can tell why it's your favourite !
Thanks for showing !
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Yes ,Tony, Scilla bithynica is stunning -but in my garden it seeds around far too prolificly,and is becoming a weed
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only a gentle weed with me but then I do not live in a temperate rain forest.
Otto you may be interested to know I collected the seeds in 1989 in woodland at sea level near the Black Sea coast. Almost temperate in that they grow tea on the higher slopes just along the coast.
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So many things in here that I would love to grow, even if so many of them have lost labels. ;)
Otto, it is really tough some of the things we have to deal with as weeds in some of our gardens, isn't it. I could think of far worse things to have growing weedily in my garden. Actually, you've reminded me that I don't think I saw S. bythinica last year in my garden..... must try to find that particular pot and work out whether it just missed flowering for me. It definitely isn't something that is seeding weedily for me, that is for sure. Some of the little scilla I seem to have trouble keeping alive here. ::)
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here is a pic of a Scilla which I have received from a friend ( he was on travel on Cyprus ) -he found it on Akamas peninsula .....
I suppose it is
Scilla morrisii
Can anybody confirm the ID ?
I grow this plants since 1998 in my borders -it has survived all wether ( that's really surprising because this plants was found near sealevel)
Some years later I have visit Cyprus in spring too - but I could not find again such plants - only the blue form ...
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Hans
Great to see this plant, it is S. morrisii.
Unfortunately it seems that very soon it will not be growing in the wild any more.!!!
Only a few hundred plants are still growing in the wild in what seems to be the last three locations,
It seems nothing is being done by Cypriot autoreties in order to protect, or make a programme to save this extremely rare plant, as for other species such as Crocus hartmaninaus and Tulipa cypria, both on a rapid way to extinction.
Last year i was there at the end of February but it was too early for it and I'm not sure it flowered due to the terrible drought Cyprus has for the last 5 years.
Any way Scilla morrisii grows at around 600m and 800-1000m.
Take a good care of it!!!!
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Oron ,
Thank you for this information and for conforming the ID .
I will try to get seeds - I have never watch for them .
My friend has found this plants also in February ....I have found they in March .
I'm sorry to hear that this plants are so rare and the autorities makes not any protections .
I found it on a open ground ....between tracks of cars ....I think this plants are not destroyed from people - but from bif 4 x4 cars ( it was a area with grass - plain - with red soil )
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Oron , I did not realize that Scilla morrisii is such a rare and endangered species , i shall look after my ,as yet unflowered , seedlings with great care.
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Tony , if only, in my temperate rain forrest , my few plants of Scilla rosenii and Scilla winogradowii would flourish and multiply as does S. bithynica - I would be delighted .
Scilla hohenackeri must be just as vigorous as I saw meadows full in flower in march
1971 with hundreds and hundreds of Fritillaria raddeana also in bloom amongst them
in the Golestan Forrest - Iran , a sight to make one swoon .
Still waiting for my seeds of Scilla gorganica [ I think from the same area] to germinate
and then see how they behave,
Otto
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Here is a other Scilla which flowering in this time here in my garden - I would be glad for a ID :
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Scilla x sibrose on the rock garden, Scilla greilhuberi in the open garden.
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Here is a other Scilla which flowering in this time here in my garden - I would be glad for a ID :
Ok, so after some consultations with Hans regarding the bulb, leaves etc. it seems we have here Scilla melaina
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Very similar to Scilla cilicica but differs by the form of the bract, leaves and the bulb which is not the typical cilicica dark violet color but yellowish with dark tunics.
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Oron ,
thank you again for yur help with identifying 8)
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Ok, so after some consultations with Hans regarding the bulb, leaves etc. it seems we have here Scilla melaina
Very similar to Scilla cilicica but differs by the form of the bract, leaves and the bulb which is not the typical cilicica dark violet color but yellowish with dark tunics.
I grow it under that name since some years. I am glad for the confirmation Thanks Oron
Göte
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I have some scilla siberica seeds but I am not sure what I should do with them. I read that they have cold resistance but I don't know about their warm tolerances.(Our climate has cold winters warm and dry summers( up to 40 C) Should I sow them in a pod at home or wait for next year and sow them to garden?
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Arda
I would suggest you to keep the seeds in a dry cool place until next mid September, then it would be the best time to sow them and so they would have all winter and spring to grow.
Scilla are easy to grow from seeds, most species prefer cold winters, summer temperatures are less important since bulbs are dormant at that time.
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Thanks for the advice sir.
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Arda
you are welcome, and no need for the Sir, just oron..
Selam
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aleyküm selam
thanks oron :)
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Sculla vinogradovii
(http://cs1935.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/m_311a65cf.jpg)
http://cs1935.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/x_05795205.jpg
Scilla vinogradovii f. alba
(http://cs1935.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/m_e7bd8843.jpg)
http://cs1935.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/x_25332d88.jpg
(http://cs1935.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/m_08c1afa2.jpg)
http://cs1935.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/x_415c8b50.jpg
Scilla siberica forms
(http://cs1935.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/m_e39122b9.jpg)
http://cs1935.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/x_2bae5d6b.jpg
(http://cs1935.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/m_b437b9ff.jpg)
http://cs1935.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/x_7291490c.jpg
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Here is a plant I bought as Scilla liliohyacynthus.
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Looks like mine Anthony - except mine haven't put their spikes up yet. :)
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Mine came from Holden Clough nursery (n.b. they still sell Galanthus woronowii as G. platyphyllus).
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Did they have the really 'odd for a Scilla' bulbs when you planted them?
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Did they have the really 'odd for a Scilla' bulbs when you planted them?
Not sure? Rings a bell somewhere?
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Scilla siberica is a kind of weed in my place. The Scilla in pic #1 appeared in a place where I definitely never planted any bulb. However, I have had S rosenii nearby since at least five years. Is this the hybrid xsibrose???
Picture #2 shows the real rosenii I believe.
What do you say Janis??
Göte
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Scilla siberica is a kind of weed in my place. The Scilla in pic #1 appeared in a place where I definitely never planted any bulb. However, I have had S rosenii nearby since at least five years. Is this the hybrid xsibrose???
Picture #2 shows the real rosenii I believe.
What do you say Janis??
Göte
It looks as sibrose although I think my is darker. As hybrid it is very vigorous, makes huge bulbs, by color darker than rosenii and less reflexed. As it isn't clone, flowers are variable, but it is more abundantly blooming than both parents.
In addition few pictures of my favourite scillas - winogradowii and rosenii alba.
Janis
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Thank you Janis
Göte
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I have also some scilla photos taken in wild from NW. TR.
The sky blue is always my favorite color in the flower.
Scilla bifolia kartepe 2.jpg
Scilla bithynica kartepe.jpg
Scilla bifolia Abant 09 012.jpg
Scilla bifolia Abant 09 013.jpg
Scilla bifolia kartepe.jpg
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Some lovely Scilla bifolia, Ibrahim- they seem more floriferous than some of the forms we have here!
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Wonderfull Ibrahim,
This color just makes one happy,
Love the last one with the dry Fern leaves as background.
Thanks for posting these.
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The Scilla season is nearly over here, there is the possibility of a few more species after Scilla lilio-hyacinthus....we shal see.
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Chris,
Oh I like that one. Nice broad leaves with good colour to the flowers. Nice!! 8)
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The Scilla season is nearly over here, there is the possibility of a few more species after Scilla lilio-hyacinthus....we shal see.
- here also with the exception of Scilla litardierii (pratensis) and a pink form of Scilla vernalis - not open.
Chris, I love your S. lilio-hyacinthus!
Gerd
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I have been waiting a while for the flower spikes of this one to finally show- Scilla vincentina (but now Hyacinthoides I think).
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Here is the one that Oron said hybrid from Uludağ. The photos which I take they seems like this but in the other locations they are pure Scilla bifolia.
I would be glad to see a Chionodoxa in the location but I couldn't see any!
Scilla bifolia x Chionodoxa Uludağ 09 may 09 058.jpg
Scilla bifolia Uludağ 09 may 09 058.jpg
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Scilla amoena is in 'species plantarum' I believe. It seems to have been common in gardens 200 years ago and fairly elusive nowadays.
I managed to find a bulb some years ago. It looks OK compared to the original herbarium sp but i wonder if anyone can confirm the name.
Göte
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Gote,
This is Scilla amoena. My plant looked like this last year (it is still to flower this year)
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Gote,
This is Scilla amoena. My plant looked like this last year (it is still to flower this year)
Thank you Oleg,
It looks exactkly the same. Nice to have confirmation
Göte
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Flowering now, and trying not to look like a green sweetcorn cob:
Scilla hyacinthoides
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Simon,
I quite like that one, corn or no corn! :)
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Simon,
very interesting flower stem.
What size (height) is the total plant?
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Sorry for the late reply, Armin. It started flowering at about 80cm and will be about 1.5m when it stops flowering.
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Mervilla plumbea var.bauerii
today in flower
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Thanks Alessandro- I've never seen one before.
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Scilla hyacinthoides - what a stunning plant. How hardy is it?
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I was growing it outside in Lincolnshire, and outside here too, with no protection.
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Is Merwilla plumbea a type of Scilla hyacinthoides, or is it synonymous? I have grown in the past (not sure whether i still have it) Scilla hyacinthoides and it is a fairly tall thing isn't it? I grow a purple leaf form of Merwilla plumbea (I was told at the time I bought it that the two were now synonyms, but the person I bought it from, like me, thinks they are quite different) that is only maybe 6 inches tall at the most. Lovely dark leaves. I wouldn't have put them together at all in my mind as the same thing, in fact far from it? I can dig up pics, probably not very good, of my purple leaf Merwilla if anyone is interested for comparison?
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Sorry, Paul. I assumed Mark was talking about the Scilla I posted a while back and not the Merwilla. I thought Merwilla was a 'new' genus made from some of the South African Scillas, whereas Scilla hyacinthoides is European.
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Simon,
Maybe my memory was incorrect as to which species, but I know that when I bought the Merwilla plumbea I was told that it was now a particular Scilla species which I was familiar with.... I just can't remember which one. I recall it being a larger species, which is why it fixed in mind as being so strange that the tiny little Merwilla was part of it. With Mark's response, I thought that must have been the species. I'll have to try to work out which species is supposed to be the synonym now..... providing of course that I WAS informed correctly when I bought it (and knowing the person I bought it from, he does his homework very well so it should be correct).
Sorry for confusion. :-[
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Simon,
Maybe my memory was incorrect as to which species, but I know that when I bought the Merwilla plumbea I was told that it was now a particular Scilla species which I was familiar with.... I just can't remember which one. I recall it being a larger species, which is why it fixed in mind as being so strange that the tiny little Merwilla was part of it. With Mark's response, I thought that must have been the species. I'll have to try to work out which species is supposed to be the synonym now..... providing of course that I WAS informed correctly when I bought it (and knowing the person I bought it from, he does his homework very well so it should be correct).
Sorry for confusion. :-[
If it was GR it could possibly be Scilla natalensis as I got a dwarf form from him which had purplish foliage.
In Australia you would often get Scilla hyacinthoides when you ordered S natalensis, to add to the confusion.
cheers
fermi
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Fermi,
natalensis was the other name that rang a bell. Yes, came from him as Merwilla plumbea - purple leaf form with his explanation that it is a synonym with S. natalensis, which to me makes no sense from appearance at least? ???
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That seems utterly bizarre to supply S.hyacinthoides as S.natalensis. I have had S.autumnalis as S.hyacinthoides before, but at least they are from the same continent ???
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Here is my flower of Scilla scilloides, which has flowered without water. :-\
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Not sure what to make of that, Anthony, but I love the colour and delicacy of your Scilla scilloides
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Maybe you should enter it for the next round of "Survivor". ;)
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It'll soon be September when it rains heavily in my greenhouse.
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Here's Scilla greilhuberi
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cheers
fermi
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Scilla lingulata flowering indoors here. We haven't tried this one outside yet, maybe next year ;)
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A lovely colour. My S. autumnalis is just coming out in the greenhouse.
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The hillside up the road should be covered in S.autumnalis, but we will have to wait until early October for that. :P
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First flowering of bulbs grown from seed as Scilla hanburyi (SL87 Jordan)
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Then again maybe the Scilla autumnalis will start flowering in August!
Thousands of stems in the Sinite Kameni at around 1000m.
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Very delicate flower on S hanburyi Simon !
I love it !
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I have Scilla autumnalis flowering now.
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Scilla lingulata flowering indoors here. We haven't tried this one outside yet, maybe next year ;)
Here in East Anglia Scilla lingulata (now reclassified as Hyacinthoides lingulata) survives close to the house but dies away when planted in more exposed places. The foliage is vulnerable to frost damage which weakens the bulbs over the years. It is a prolific increaser in pots under cold glass. I have a feeling your winters might defeat it although the snow cover might protect the leaves from the worst frost?
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Scilla lingulata flowering indoors here. We haven't tried this one outside yet, maybe next year ;)
Here in East Anglia Scilla lingulata (now reclassified as Hyacinthoides lingulata) survives close to the house but dies away when planted in more exposed places. The foliage is vulnerable to frost damage which weakens the bulbs over the years. It is a prolific increaser in pots under cold glass. I have a feeling your winters might defeat it although the snow cover might protect the leaves from the worst frost?
Thanks, Tony. I was wondering where it had toddled off to in the recent reshuffle ;)
I will try one bulb outside next year. As you say the snow may help protect the leaves, though March frosts between snow melts did burn off a lot of leaves on Muscari grandifolium and Scilla melaina. Both went on to flower, but I will see next year whether this affected bulb strength.
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First flowering of bulbs grown from seed as Scilla hanburyi (SL87 Jordan)
Simon, well done, this is not an easy species to grow out of its native habitat,
it is very common in the desert, replacing S. autumnalis that needs more rains.
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Thanks Oron. I am glad to know it is true to name. :)
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Flowering for me now (along with Scilla monophyllus and S. bythinica) is Scilla messenaica (assuming it is correctly labelled). The flowers, though small, are beautiful.
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Gosh, a real treat Paul, I love the dark stamens against the pale blue of your Scilla messenaica
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Flowering for me now (along with Scilla monophyllus and S. bythinica) is Scilla messenaica (assuming it is correctly labelled). The flowers, though small, are beautiful.
Nice plant Paul
in the high part the third stem, from right towards left, has also a host
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Flowering for me now (along with Scilla monophyllus and S. bythinica) is Scilla messenaica (assuming it is correctly labelled). The flowers, though small, are beautiful.
Here's Scilla bithynica
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and Scilla melaina
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cheers
fermi
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My own Hyacinthoides lingulata yesterday. The sudden sunshine is going to make it go over in record time!
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Good potful, Darrren.... I'd reserve judgement about the sunshine continuing , though!
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Indeed Maggi, though the top flowers had already gone over by this morning and it is shaping up to be another scorcher today. Amazingly I have been off work for the last few days too. I had to time it right eventually... :)
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Scilla numidica with its nice amethyst flowers
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Dominique,
indeed very nice 8) :o
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Howdy All,
Not "exactly" a Scilla.... this is Merwilla krausii, which I'm figuring was probably a Scilla at some point? Very cool purple and textured leaves, good tall stem of flowers, but the whole thing is maybe 30cm tall. Quite deceptive in the picture I think.
Click on the pics for a larger version.
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I'm trying Scilla lingulata outside for the first time,.... see what will happen during the winter ;D
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Cool, Fred. 8)
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I'm trying Scilla lingulata outside for the first time,.... see waht will happen during the winter ;D
Waiting to hear in the Spring - what a lovely thing Fred
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A lovely display, Hans, I love the way it unravels from the centre 8)
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I'm trying Scilla lingulata outside for the first time,.... see waht will happen during the winter ;D
Waiting to hear in the Spring - what a lovely thing Fred
Well, seems to resist to -10° C ;D
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Fantastic Fred, I was just wondering how it was on reviewing your previous post - would love to see another photo when it flowers again :)
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No Problem, but.... you will have to wait some months ;D