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General Subjects => Travel / Places to Visit => Topic started by: johnw on January 12, 2009, 12:24:48 AM
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Just in from Philip.
johnw
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More from PMD and Maria G today.
Ourisia fragrans
Oxalis enneaphylla
Philesia magellanica
and 2 still to be identified.
johnw
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Hi John, thanks for the super pictures from such a wonderful area. I think picture 5 is Oreopolus glacialis or used to be Cruikshanksia, cheers Ian the Christie Kind.
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Fo the last photo I propose Cruckshanksia hymenodon var. hymenodon
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Cruckshanksia hymenodon var. hymenodon has yellow flowers but striking rose coloured ' bracts ' (I am not sure if these are real bracts).
I am for Oreopolus glacialis also.
Isn't pic 4 the same plant as shown for Calandrinia affinis? There are also hybrids affinis x colchaguensis mentioned for places where these species grow side by side.
Gerd
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Thanks so much Ian, moricais and Gerd. I have passed this info along to the group in Chile.
johnw - where the snow has started - 15cm to come - and wind. Rain tomorrow.
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A note this evening from P.
"John, Ian is correct in his ID of the Oreopolus. Here's another tricky one, plus no flower (first photo).
Tomorrow I go seaching for Anemone hepaticifolia, would you ask Ian if anyone has ever collected the thing? Philip"
Second note near midnight.
"It was frigid at the top of Bariloche and I feared being blown off the mountain in the fierce wind. On the way down on the ski lift we played a game of trying to guess who of those ascending would freeze first. Many were ill prepared. My hands were so cold I couldn't bring myself to bend down and collect a bit of the Oxalis. Cheers , Philip"
Photo 2 Perezia sp.
Photo 3 Ranunculus semiverticillatus
Enjoy
johnw
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And saving the best from P. for last.
Photo #4 - Viola canobarbata
johnw
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The unknown plant is a Barneoudia species (Ranunculaceae) -
a striking plant with large white or yellow sessile flowers.
Gorgeous picture of Viola canobarbata!
Gerd
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Hi again wow just breathtaking, what a joy to see these pictures and to read about this adventure I myself have felt the wind, extreme cold and the hailstones in Wild Patagonia. I knw one or two people who grow the Oreopolus in the U/K plus a few other plants from Chile, cheers Ian the Christie Kind.
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Thanks Gerd. I have passed the information along to P.
johnw
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More from Philip today. Anemone and 2
Cheatanthera (spelling?) edit by Maggi : Chaetanthera
johnw
Anemone hepaticifolia
Chaetanthera sp. possibly revoluta
Chaetanthera villosa
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And three more.
Chlorea alpina
Perezia pilifera
Arucarias
More promised to arrive tonight.
johnw
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Wonderful pics John, I am getting such a great education in these forums.
My favourites are
Viola canobarbata, Oxalis enneaphylla, Perezia pilifera and and :) :) :)
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Just found this thread.
So many interesting plants there in Chile, John. Thanks for showing!
BTW. I believe that Perezia possibly pilifera is the same picture as Perezia pilifera,
so I presume the name pilifera is the right one??
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So many interesting plants there in Chile, John. Thanks for showing!
BTW.
Never heard of Anemone hepaticifolia - what an interesting and showy species. I hope this will introduced some time.
Gerd
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Luit - I don't know many of these South Americans. Just passing along the names on the pix sent to me. I presume they go to the hotel at night and try to id the plants they have seen that day.
Maria has been complaining of the wretched hotels the fellows have booked her into (no water / no toilet tissue). She is now in charge of accommodations and is going for luxurious.
johnw
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Wonderful pics John, I am getting such a great education in these forums.
My favourites are
Viola canobarbata, Oxalis enneaphylla, Perezia pilifera and and :) :) :)
Helen - The Oxalis is worth a try as it does well in NS given good drainage. Also a few selected forms whose names escape me.
johnw
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Maria has been complaining of the wretched hotels the fellows have booked her into (no water / no toilet tissue). She is now in charge of accommodations and is going for luxurious.
Bless Maria, and I hope she gets luxurious . But, erm, does Chile do luxury?? ???
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So many interesting plants there in Chile, John. Thanks for showing!
BTW.
Never heard of Anemone hepaticifolia - what an interesting and showy species. I hope this will introduced some time.
Gerd
Gerd - From P just now. " Tell Gerd there was no seed on the Anemone, the seedlings look exactly like Hepaticas. Philip"
johnw
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Helen - The Oxalis is worth a try as it does well in NS given good drainage. Also a few selected forms whose names escape me.
johnw
John, is it readily available locally, seeds?
Honestly, I can't get over all these beautiful little plants, the only oxalis I am familiar with is a weed in Australia which is almost impossible to get rid of.
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Gerd - From Philip just now. " Tell Gerd there was no seed on the Anemone, the seedlings look exactly like Hepaticas. Philip"
johnw
:'( :'( :'( - perhaps because this plant attracts attention now there will be another chance perhaps, until then Hepatica is not so bad for an alternative.
Gerd
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I really like Chaetanthera villosa
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Maria has been complaining of the wretched hotels the fellows have booked her into (no water / no toilet tissue). She is now in charge of accommodations and is going for luxurious.
Bless Maria, and I hope she gets luxurious . But, erm, does Chile do luxury?? ???
Well she said she was booking them into the Ritz. Not likely.
The last time P. was in the hinterlands of Chile they decided to have one good meal. Before ordering the waiter arrived at the next table with a silver tray complete with a silver dome lid. Under the lid were hotdogs and a jar of mustard. I guess that's luxury. Where exactly I can't recall.
johnw
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I really like Cheatanthera villosa
Beautiful. Adapted to its environment almost like a cactus.
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Helen - The Oxalis is worth a try as it does well in NS given good drainage. Also a few selected forms whose names escape me.
johnw
John, is it readily available locally, seeds?
Honestly, I can't get over all these beautiful little plants, the only oxalis I am familiar with is a weed in Australia which is almost impossible to get rid of.
Helen - There was an alpine nursery here selling it but I haven't seen it on their list in the last few years. Sometimes it comes in from Holland to the garden centres. Thimble Farms should have it and maybe Pacific Rim.
johnw
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Sorry Luit, the Perezia was indeed sent to me twice.
johnw
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John, they don't have it but Wrightman Alpines does.
:)
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Hi, thanks for the new pictures, I am not sure that you have Chloraea alpina your picture shows a very striped flower whilst Chloraea alpina in just golden yellow?? cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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Hi again, I have been thinking about the picture ( Chloraea alpina well I am sure it is Gavellia sp. here is a picture of Chloraea alpina, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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Hi again, just thought to post the other Chloraea magellanica and the hybrid with Chloraea alpina, I look forward to seeing the other pictures which I am sure will come from Phillip/ cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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There is an interesting web site for Chilean orchids which see as mixed up as the European ones. They have been swapped between the different genera nearly as often. looking at the variations within a species I will leave it to a better man than me to give the defnitive identification.
www.chlorischile.cl/weborchis/tabla11.htm
I have decided that one I saw was Chloraea lamellata
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More on the Chile expedition, now over. A letter from M.
Hi John
I mailed this letter to all my close friends & family but I must have written
down the wrong address for you and it came back. I hope this works now. I am in
Jo'burg, SA now and soon to Ethiopia. Write back.
Cheers,
Maria
P.S. I miss P already!
Most of you have heard from me in the past almost 4 weeks, time sure goes by
fast, and as I am coming to the end of my South American trek I just want to
fill you in what has been going on. Since my two companions joined me 3 weeks
ago we have, it seems climped enough mountainsides near snow-capped, active or
non-active
volcanoes up & down the Chilean cordilleras then I want to remember. Each climb
seemed harder then the next but the last two hikes-win the
price. Hiked for more than 6 hours most on a
sheer vertical at temperatures of 32C even at high altitutes at same time
nursing a head cold. We were totally
fried, covered with a thick layer of red dust & sweat.
I thought that this part of my trip would be a breeze but I had never traveled
before with my friend P,well once before but it did not entail hikes.A
plant enthusiast par excellence, he would go to
any
lengths or hights for that matter to view a specific plant. As I and the other
older companion struggled
to keep up with him he kept going higher and higher leaving his dusty trail
for us to inhale!
But it was worth every effort having to deal with these arduous hikes and
scorching temps. We walked and drove through immense lava flows, drove through a
desert to reach a relic cloud forest, hiked through a rainforest with majestic
and unique old growth trees to reach a glacier.
One hasn't lived until one experiences the comical process of border crossing
between Chile and Argentina and back again where we had to be processed 3-4
times from both sides at each crossing before we could leave. When crossing
back into Chile we were horrified to witness how thoroughly the Chilean guards
were checking all cars. In out panic we threw away all the seeds we had
collected to find out as our turn came up that we were previleged as gringos
and were ushered through with just a brief viewing of our filthy car!!
As far as accommodations we went from simple to shabby rooms with often broken
toilets, to spacious dorms all to ourselves in closed up ski centres but with
no toilet paper or hot water. Eventually I set up some rules that I will only
stay where i could get my own room with my own toilet, I had my fill of being
one of the guys.
We have been buying lots of good fruit & veg from roadside stands and have been
gorging on all of these wonderful produce including fresh cheese. Most meals at
restaurants are so-so but the good ones are memorable.
It has been an exciting and memorable adventure this part of my winter venture.
We have been witness to incredible vistas, met interesting people and last but
not least seen beautiful and unusual plants.
We have had some minor setbacks such as my bad cold, getting a flat tire, my
laptop giving up on me and last and most memorable of all our car giving up on
us last night up one hour's drive in a ski centre. We got set up to sleep in
the car but were saved by a local who took pity on us and drove us down. Just as
well because tomorrow I will say good bye to Chile and my friends and head off
to Johannesburg for a well deserved few days rest and start again for another
adventure to Ethiopia which I think after Chile will be a
piece of cake.
Until next time.
Love and good wishes to all,
M
Active volcano Valdivia Galletti
Monkey Puzzle Tree in Volcan Llaima - Galletti
More monkey Puzzle trees! Galletti
Viola cotyledon Galletti.
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Great story - stunning Pix !!! :o
What a gorgious Viola !!!!
Thanks for sharing !
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There is an interesting web site for Chilean orchids which see as mixed up as the European ones. They have been swapped between the different genus nearly as often. looking at the variations within a speceies I will leave it to a better man than me to give the defnitive identification.
www.chlorischile.cl/weborchis/tabla11.htm
I have decided that one I saw was Chloraea lamellata
Interesting to learn that there is an orchid with the German dialect name for shit - Aa nervosa. The plant doesn't look fine also.
Gerd
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Great story - stunning Pix !!! :o
What a gorgious Viola !!!!
Thanks for sharing !
From me the same - looking forward to the mountains of East Africa!
Gerd
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Thank you for posting your write up, the trip must have been magic what a team, looking forward to more pictures, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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Well I got a surprise this afternoon when another letter arrived from P who is still at it in Chile. I may get some pix tonight.
"John - Home tomorrow. Chilean diet consisits mainly of white starch, french fries and Cola, wont miss it a bit. Was up to La Parva yesterday, hiked to 3800 M, worth tolerating 3 weeks of bad food. Will call you on my return."
p
johnw
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Thanks all for this wonderful thread! I wish I could buy a ticket and pack my backpack ...
Such great plants in a great landscape. :D
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Sitting in Denver airport, temperature is 35 C colder than Santiago last night. Trying to post a few pics now that Jonh has done the lion's share of posting. Philip
Adesmia parvifolia
Alstromeria spathulata
Caiophora coronata
Chuquiraga oppositifolia
Junella spathulata
Neoporteria curvispina
Oreopolus glacialis
Polystitum andinum maybeus
Rhodophialia rhodolirion
Schizanthus hookeri
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Hi, Philip... thanks for this! Just the flower fix I need today!
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More pics. Was very excited by Puya on hill above the ski lodge we stayed at. They get significant snow and freezing in the winter. My sensible companions didn't quite share in my excitement. Oh well. Philip
Chlorea alpina
Eucryphia cordifolia
Fasicularia sp. Above tree line
Me and my Puya
Nassauvia pinnigera
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I'm with you in the excitement stakes, Philip! Wonderful stuff. Many thanks for taking the time and trouble to post.
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Nice at 3800m an hour outside of Santiago
Calandrinia graminifolia
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And for those addicted to order.Philip
Nastanthus aggglomeratus
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Last one
Nototriche compacta
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You are certainly one for a big finish, Philip! What a gem.
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Philip
Good grief what pictures. That Eucryphia is a sight to behold, never heard of it. Is it in cultivation?
I'm surprised you are not combing the mountains around Denver while you wait.
johnw
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Thank you Phil for showing this interesting pics -
a journey to Chile in January must be a pleasant style to shorten winter!
Gerd
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Trying to post a few pics now that John has done the lion's share of posting. Philip
Philip
When you recuperate from jet lag it would be interesting if you could comment on the pics I posted for you.
Where next?
johnw
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Thanks for sharing these pictures of beautiful ans sooo interesting plants.
One plant of Rhodophiala and so many flowers and then the Nassauvia,
which seems never to stop flowering!
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Thank you to John, Maria and Philip for a marvelous look at the flora of this region!
cheers
fermi
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I would also like to thank Philip , Maria and John for taking us on such a wonderful trip. Thank you
Regards
Ian
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Hi John,
picture 5 is definately Oreopolus glacialis. ( Pic1123817 Reply 1 January 18th Page one of this thread)
Not necessary to discuss it with Crucksjanksia hymenodon
See picture
Ger
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great stuff! i've just started looking .... chile has a great flora! and, it seems a population with some people very interested in it--there are lots of good sites on the flora..
the Viola is wild! how big is it? i cant tell if its a small rosette with tiny flrs, or a huge rosette with average sized flowers..
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What wonderful photos of astounding plants! Thank you for posting them!
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John, they don't have it but Wrightman Alpines does. :)
i was going to suggest wrightman's; beavercreek has a couple, though not that sp right now..