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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Lvandelft on January 09, 2009, 10:14:14 PM
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Every year in the first week of January is this great Flower Show held
in the Bulb Trade Centre of CNB in Lisse.
On this show the growers have the possibility to show their products.
For instance there are many tulips entries, more then 80 exposé’s!
To give some impressions of the place where the show is, in the first batch a picture
of the building, which I made in summer looking from the CNB Dahlia Show Garden
and some from inside the building where you see how flowers are arranged around and
along the trade rooms, where a big part of the Dutch bulb trading is done.
The pictures are not so good, because of the light circumstances in the hall.
But I made all pictures without using flash for more real colours.
CNB Building
Lilium Group 1
Lilium Group 2
On the second picture along the path was an attractive stand, where mostly Narcissus are shown:
Narcissus Group
Narcissus Blues
Narcissus Mirar
Narcissus viridi I
Narcissus viridi II
Narcissus viridi III
Narcissus viridi IV
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In the second batch some more Lilium and two entries with perennials and
a few Zantedeschia
Lilium Group 1
Lilium Group 2
Lilium White Heaven
Lilium Legend
Lilium Triumphator [Zanlophator]
Perennials 1
Perennials 2
Zantedeschia Group
Zantedeschia arr. 1
Zantedeschia arr. 2
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In the 3rd batch
Hippeastrum Group 1
Hippeastrum Group 2
Tulipa Group 1
Tulipa Group 2
Tulipa Group 3
Tulipa Denmark
Tulipa Verona
Tulipa Pako
Tulipa TBL 98012
Tulipa Thailand
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The fourth batch shows one entry where Narcissus in pots are shown.
I show 1 pot of an entry from Israel.
And an overview of an entry with smaller Narcissus:
Narcissus Nir
Narcissus Group
Narcissus Toby the First
Narcissus Itzim
Narcissus Double Itzim
Narcissus Toto
Narcissus Topolino
Narcissus Little Beauty
Narcissus Lemon Silk
Narcissus Julia Jane
more to come later....
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Goodness me.... what a show! So much colour and scent and beauty in the middle of winter... a real treat...even better than going skating, Luit!
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How nice to see those beautiful N. viridiflorus hybrids again. Incidentally, I understand part of the reason for creating hybrids with this species is that it is resistant to basal rot. On the other hand, for my taste, 'Blues' & 'Mirar' should have been infected with rot from the word go - maybe it's not too late.
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Definitely, Gerry, and split coronas, and pink cups
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I must be mellowing with age....I don't much care for the doubles and the frillies myself, but now when I see them I think.... oh well, nurserymen must put their children in new clothes and through school, just like everyone else...... and I'd rather they did that by selling Blues and Mirar to people who want them than have someone tell me he's selling me what I want but it turns out not to be, as we have been discussing elsewhere!
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The greens are nice aren't they? Nir is pretty too.
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Well you're starting off 2008 quite explosively Luit !
What a show - and all that with -10°C outside :o :o
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The pictures are not so good, because of the light circumstances in the hall.
But I made all pictures without using flash for more real colours.
Luit,
You are right, pictures are not so good! ;) They are excellent as usual!
I like the viridiflorus hybrids most - they are unique!
Are they suited for outdoor cultivation in northern Europe, or did the breeder create them for countries with a warmer climate?
Gerd
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Good enough for me Luit, as usual an excellent thread and looking at the plants I am already starting to feel a little less cold, even though we still have frost outside mid afternoon!
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As usual Luit, great pictures. Thank you.
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Before I show the last pictures, thank you all for the kind words.
Don’t bother, it was a pleasure for me to visit this Show.
(I even visited the Show twice actually, because it is almost
not possible to see everything in one visit.)
Gerd,
I don’t know what exactly are the aims of the breeder.
Breeding takes place mostly in warmer climates, like in California,
Australia or N. Zealand, and for sure there are used several tazetta
in the breeding programme.
One of the first breeders, Manuel Lima, was really obsessed to make
green Narcissus.
Not a very good answer to your question, I think ;D ;)
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Not only tulips, lilies or narcissi are shown on this show:
Allium neapolitanum
Cyclamen Group
Cyrtanthus mackenii
Iris reticulata Group
Leucocoryne Andes
Nerine undulata
Eucharis amazonica
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The bulbs shown are not all new ones.
I'm not quite sure how international trade works.
Is the display meant to show what the wholesalers can supply this year?
Do bulb import/export representatives choose what they will buy at
the show?
If a Canadian importer goes to the show and decides to order those
viridiflora hybrids, then I hope I will be able to buy them next year
from my local garden centre.
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This is also a place where experiments are shown with new presentations.
Here some pictures of tulips in 9 cm sq. pots or on water in a high glass:
Tulipa pres. 1
Tulipa pres. 2
Tulipa pres. 3
Tulipa cl.
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Very interesting to see was the entry with nostalgic tulips.
These varieties were the first used for forcing in the old days.
Hortus Bulborum Limmen NL. 1
Hortus Bulborum
Tulipa Duc van Tol Cochineal
Tulipa Duc van Tol Red & Yellow
Tulipa Duc van Tol Roos Van Dekama
Tulipa Duc van Tol Rose
Tulipa Duc van Tol Salmon
Tulipa Duc van Tol White
Tulipa Duc van Tol Yellow
Tulipa Verboom [syn. Pottebakker Scarlet]
Tulipa Cerise-Gris -de-Lin
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and
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Batch 7
Lilium Group 3
Lilium Group 4
Lilium LA 01-82197-01
Ornithogalum dubium geel
Ranunculus Aviv Red
Ranunculus Aviv Yellow
Hyacinthus Blue Palace
Hyacinthus Prince of Holland
Hyacinthus White Pearl
Hyacinthus Wonderland
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batch 8
In this building is a special Show Hall of the KAVB, where every week the Weekly Flowershow is held on Monday.
Here two overviews of the special Show Hall.
At this Winter Show growers may send in their products or novelties in
competition for prizes too.
Tulipa First Choice for instance got a first prize for best tulip in a pot.
Show hall 2
Show hall 3
Tulipa First Choice
Tulipa Mazzeo
Tulipa Orca
Anemone coronaria Jerusalem White
Anemone coronaria Jerusalem Purple
Anemone coronaria Jerusalem Violet
Helleborus Group
Helleborus
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In the last batch some mixed pictures,
which I hope you would like to see.
Iris reticulata Pauline
Iris reticulata Rhapsody
Lilium Amfora
Lilium Canterino
Lilium Lake Michigan
Tulipa 05-MA-632
Narcissus arr.
and 2 small Hippeastrum:
Sonatini ‘Bordeaux Giant 1
Sonatini ‘Bordeaux Giant 2
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Luit,
Thank you for the reply concerning the green daffs!
Here is another question about the outstanding pink shaded Hellebores. Did the grower add some notes concerning the ancestory of the plants shown?
It seems there is Helleborus thibetanus involved.
Gerd
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The bulbs shown are not all new ones.
I'm not quite sure how international trade works.
Is the display meant to show what the wholesalers can supply this year?
Do bulb import/export representatives choose what they will buy at
the show?
If a Canadian importer goes to the show and decides to order those
viridiflora hybrids, then I hope I will be able to buy them next year
from my local garden centre.
Diane, this Flower Show is a long tradition in Holland, being the first Show in the new year,
where growers have the possibility to show there products, no matter old or new.
It is merely a show for professionals and one can see old stable trade varieties as well as
newer seedlings of which the grower thinks, it is good enough to show.
Sometimes they show just one bulb, to find out what the other growers or traders think of it.
Many don't have a name when shown and they often will never get one and will be destroyed.
At these shows is much discussion between the growers.
The Viridi Narcissus don't have names until now, probably because they will need some more progression.
It takes often a long time until a nouveaute shows to be good enough to get into trade.
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And I forgot to mention the Flower Arrangers, who definitely want to show their
'innovative' ideas.
Don't know if this bulb would be attractive to customers or not.
Maybe I should put it into the Identification thread too?
no name:
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Luit, it seems the flower arrangers are as crazy as those snowdrop collectors! :-X
Great photo!
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Luit, it seems the flower arrangers are as crazy as those snowdrop collectors! :-X
Great photo!
But the good thing is that the flower arrangers mostly use more than two colours.. :P
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Luit, it seems the flower arrangers are as crazy as those snowdrop collectors! :-X
Great photo!
But the good thing is that the flower arrangers mostly use more than two colours.. :P
True, but the snowdroppers do give THEIR bulbs some water..... :o
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;D ;D ;D
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Lovely pics as always Luit. So pleased you're set for another year. After all, if the BD can continue for years, why not the Showman? :)
Maggi, I'm also very pleased to see it has stopped raining in Aberdeen after years, and you can at last take off your mac. :)
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The lovely if maybe a bit crazy flower arrangement is great and if You know how it should look then one see the elegance in it. I presume all of You does but far from every one not interested in plants do.
Luit these are so great and such a treasure to see such pictures.
A question is growing tulips to be used as bulbs in flower arrangements going away and instead they have tulip cut flowers?
When my mother were young some 50 years ago they had tulips in the Christmas arrangement. Now they are not as common and expensive to be a tulip. The variety with pinkish colour and white top looked very nice. Are they i the trade as plants for christmas new year arrangements?
Great show and great to be able to see it in all Your pics so thanks a lot
Kind regards
Joakim
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Luit,
Did the grower add some notes concerning the ancestory of the plants shown?
It seems there is Helleborus thibetanus involved.
Gerd
Gerd, breeders seldom show which parents they use.
But yesterday the plants were still there in a corner and I could have a look at them.
I think you might be right. A friend of mine promised me to ask the grower about (?).
If so, I'll let you know.
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A question is growing tulips to be used as bulbs in flower arrangements going away and instead they have tulip cut flowers?
The variety with pinkish colour and white top looked very nice. Are they i the trade as plants for christmas new year arrangements?
Joakim, I did not quit understand your questions, and have no idea which pinkish tulip you meant too? :-\
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A question is growing tulips to be used as bulbs in flower arrangements going away and instead they have tulip cut flowers?
The variety with pinkish colour and white top looked very nice. Are they i the trade as plants for christmas new year arrangements?
Joakim, I did not quit understand your questions, and have no idea which pinkish tulip you meant too? :-\
Luit,
I think the thing he means to ask is:
Is there a trend to no longer use 'tulip bulbs that are in flower' in flower arrangements but 'tulip cut flowers' instead?
And the pinkish tulip probably is Tulipa "Cerise-Gris-de-Lin. And he wants to know if they are used in flower arrangements for New Year.
I think those were his questions but Joakim should correct me if my interpretation was wrong.
Wim
P.S. Prachtige foto's, Luit, as always.
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Luit I was just to try to explain myself when I saw that Wim so perfecly did it for me. Sorry for the not so clear question :-[
I did not remember that Tulipa Cerise-Gris -de-Lin came from horto bulbus and are as such an old varity. I thought that the new tulips are going back to the old style.
Thanks.
Joakim
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Luit,
Did the grower add some notes concerning the ancestory of the plants shown?
It seems there is Helleborus thibetanus involved.
Gerd
Gerd, breeders seldom show which parents they use.
But yesterday the plants were still there in a corner and I could have a look at them.
I think you might be right. A friend of mine promised me to ask the grower about (?).
If so, I'll let you know.
Thank you Luit!
Once there was a hybrid thibetanas x niger mentioned - so this is possible.
This is somewhat strange because it is written that Helborus orientalis is related next
to thibetanus.
Gerd
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Helleborus niger seems to be a willing mother for interspecies
crosses.
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Luit I was just to try to explain myself when I saw that Wim so perfecly did it for me. Sorry for the not so clear question :-[
I did not remember that Tulipa Cerise-Gris -de-Lin came from horto bulbus and are as such an old varity. I thought that the new tulips are going back to the old style.
Thanks.
Joakim
Joakim and Wim, thank you for the explanation.
As English is my 3rd best foreign language, I think it’s always better to ask first before giving some wrong answer.
There are still many Tulips forced in pot for decoration, just the varieties are different.
Here are some which are offered in pots in Garden Centers these days:
Tulipa D.E.G. Monte Carlo
Tulipa greigii Hybr. Pinocchio
Tulipa S.E.G. Christmas Marvel
Tulipa S.E.G. Flair
Tulipa Triumph Group Inzell
Tulipa Triumph Group Prominence
and the pictures:
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Thanks for the information Luit.
I tend to try to say too much and by that complicate things more than needed when I write.
I have not seen any of these nice ones as potted plants but monte carlo is the most sold yellow tulip as cut flower in Sweden I think.
These would be nice in Christmas decoration. Better than the small tiny red ones they sell in Sweden if they do it at all.
Thanks for the lovly pics and sorry for the late reply.
Kind regards
Joakim