Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
Specific Families and Genera => Amaryllidaceae => Topic started by: Paul T on December 31, 2008, 06:50:53 AM
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Howdy All,
This flowers for me every year, but has never multiplied in the 6 or 7 years I have had it. I think the identification is right? The flowers are definitely a bit different to the Ismene and Hymenocallis that I have seen, but I have by no means seen everything, that is for sure.
Anyway, I thought you might enjoy the intricacy of these flowers.
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Paul ,
Great pic of a great plant !
Nice flower for a Sylvesterday !
Hans
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Interesting flower Paul, is it a medusa lilly? :o
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Paul
beautifulst,
this is a plant that it would appeal to me :P
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It is very similar to many of the Hymenocallis and Ismene, but a bit different (well to the ones I have seen anyway). I would imagine that you'd like all of them too, Alessandro.
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Here is a bit of information :
http://www.amaryllidaceae.org/Ismene/index.htm
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Paul
you have made center
I possess approximately ten sp. task beautifulst H. amancaes that the am searching
Alessandro
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Flowering for me now Elisena longipetala I think.How can you tell the difference between this and a Hymenocallis? bye Ray
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Hi Ray ,
beautiful flower !!!
we had this plants earlier :
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2857.0
Hans
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Ray,
I'm not sure that that is correctly named. That looks to me like a Hymenocallis. My Elisena longipetala (You can see a pic at Hans' link) is quite different in proportions. The tube is always a little flattened to me, and isn't as open as in your pic. The petals are much longer comparatively as well. Mine is in low bud at the moment, probably opening sometime in the next week or so.
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I have merged the two threads on this subject.
this may be of interest: http://www.amaryllidaceae.org/biblio/edwards/bot-reg-1838misc79.htm
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http://www.rhs.org.uk/RHSWebsite/files/05/05f25bd7-a546-467b-9124-08d6dc003a76.pdf
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Alberto, an excellent link! Thank you very much! :-*
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Paul lovely flower and thanks Alberto for the link.
Can anyone tell me where Robin has gone, I think I have missed something :-[
missing her posts.
Angie :)
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Angie, don't fret, Robin is fine. Heard from her today.... she's on holiday in the UK right now, visiting friends and family... she's dropping into the Forum to keep an eye on us, but hasn't much time to post! :D
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Thanks Maggi, was a bit worried she was ill or something, nice to know she is ok, will look forward to her posts soon.
Angie :)
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Hi Hans & Alberto,thanks for the links.
Hi Paul,this plant appeared in a patch of H littoralis and it would appear that i now have a Hymenocallis without a name.My Elisena also should flower in the next week.bye Ray
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Maybe this one is the real thing.bye Ray
Elisena longipetala
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Ray, your E. longipetala looks a bit strange, in the shape of the staminal cup and in the direction of the filaments. Where does it come?
Alberto
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Ray,
Very, very different to mine of that species. As Alberto says, the cup is all wrong (if you look at the pics of mine you can see it is an almost flattened tube) with the stamens poking directly out the end, rather than outwards in a ray pattern like yours. Yours look more like one of the other species with the flattened cup (name escapes me right now), except yours is a jagged cup whereas the one I am thinking of has a clean disk. I must say I rather like yours. Is that one multiplying for you? I ask because my Elisena in all the years I have had it has never offset or looked like it was even thinking about it. I don't know whether this is usual or not (can anyone tell me whether non-multiplying clones are common)?
Mine should be open within the next day or so, it was looking very full this morning and it is a hot day today so might bring it out sometime today even. Of course now that I am watching for it to open it will take ages to do so. ;D ;D
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Hi Alberto,this Elisena came from a nursery here in AU,and they have been selling
this plant by that name for maybe 20 years or more,and if it is not E longipetala then a lot of Aussies have a wrongly named plant.
Hi Paul looking forward to your pic of this plant,I got mine from BT where did you get yours. It has multiplied but very slowly.Just had another look at your pics from this time last year and I don't see any difference in the cup but the filaments look different,see if I can get some better pics tomorrow.bye Ray
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Ray,
Could you take a side on pic of that last one you posted? That will clearly show the profile of the cup. It looks quite flattened in the pic to me, but might not be so in real life. Mine is in the process of opening it's first flower this morning (the heat DID bring it out quicker). I'll take front and profile pics for comparison.
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Hi Paul,here is a few more pics,do you remember were you got yours?bye Ray
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Ray,
Is that really the same one you posted on the 22nd? It looks totally different in shape. The pics you just posted look very similar to mine, with the flattened cup etc. The pic of the 22nd looked more like a flattened, ragged cup, which was why I was wondering if it was correct.
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Hi Paul,Have 3 flowering spikes of this plant and went and looked at every one today and could see no difference between any of them.bye Ray
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Paul, Ray,
I too have had Elisena longipetala in flower this year for the first time(over about a fortnight ago) from bulbs purchased from BT and mine certainly had the slightly flattened cup shape as in Paul's pics and in the later pics from Ray. I unfortunately did not photograph mine as the flowers were slightly snail chewed however I did notice that the flattened shape was quite different from the flowers that are produced on Hymenocallis festalis, harrisiana etc. Cheers Anita
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In flower again for me.......
And as always, a single stem of flowers from a single fan of leaves, never multiplying, never changing. ::) At least it flowers every year. ;D
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Wow, what a plant!
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McMark,
Very reminiscent of Hymenocallis, but more "tendrilly" (if there is such a word ;D) and with a flattened trumpet. I had expected it to multiply, but not an offset in the 6 or 8 years I must have had it by now!? I'd definitely like more of it, but don't really want to cut it up to try to produce offsets when I only have one. I guess I should go and buy another one at some point and butcher it to produce little ones. :-\
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I wonder what (other than humans) is attracted to curly tepals? Beautiful plant though Paul! I have an Ismene festalis in my collection that has produced an offset after one or two years; flowers well too - perhaps your Elisaena will, if you talk to it nicely ::)
Hot and sunny here today - so nice! ...and the Tigridias are flowering too 8)
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Rogan,
Ismene x festalis multiplies freely here for me, offsetting very well. That's why I'm wondering why the Elisena is recalcitrant. ;D
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Hi Paul,
I've yet to flower the one I bought from a usually reputable grower here in Vic, but it has split into 4 growing shoots this year! I think it'll need to be repotted! When's the best time?
cheers
fermi
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Fermi,
It goes totally dormant for me here, so I'd be thinking that would be the best time to repot. Mine took a year to settle then has flowered every year since. Mine came from BHT in Victoria originally and I am very pleased with it, other than it's reluctance to multiply, which is certainly no fault of the seller. ;D
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Same supplier, I think (must check label!) so hopefully it will flower when it seetles in!
cheers
fermi