Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Brian Ellis on December 27, 2008, 11:43:06 AM
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John Morley's North Green Catalogue arrived this morning...interesting to see how many are now put to tender. Included is the elusive Flocon de Neige (I wonder how much that will go for) and Rupert Golby plus many others. There is a 'new' snowdrop to celebrate 25 years of North Green Snowdrops too -"Jubilee Green"
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My postman has been and left no catalogue :(
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I think putting these up for tender is a dishonest way of selling these snowdrops. ??? At least on EBay you are bidding for one lot and you can see what the bids are plus they go up in increments. This means if you bid £100 and the next bid is £49, you pay £50 as that is deemed the next increment. We don't even know if that is how this 'auction' works. If someone bids £100 and the next highest is £49, does the first bulb go for £100 and the second £49 and so on? Perhaps the buyers are prepared to get their prize at all costs? We will never know as I have never actually seen the prices for what auctioned 'drops go. >:(
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Yes I have to agree Anthony it is far from satisfactory, and although there were two (which I mentioned above) that I would have liked, you have no idea of what to bid at all. From what it says I think the sealed bids for each of the (15 different) snowdrops is opened and the highest bidders get the bulbs, if there are two equal bidders and only one bulb the order of arrival comes into play. I understand that, in previous years, some bulbs have gone for quite silly prices.
I must admit to having been pleasantly surprised a couple of years ago, when I purchased some bulbs from an ebay seller, that although I did not have a winning bid I was offered a 'second chance' at the price I bid. It seemed to me a little unfair on the highest bidder that I was able to purchase at a lower price. I much prefer the "Buy it Now" prices, but you don't often see those.
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The first year this auction happened the snowdrops sold for last year's Ebay prices
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Hi Brian
Just thought I would like to comment on your mention of Ebay Second Chance Offers.
As a seller of Snowdrops and Orchids on Ebay over the past few years ,I often send out these offers.
Although I guess it could be a little unfair to the winning bidder .But to be as fair as possible I usually send out larger plants to those who have paid more . Also I often include extra plants if the bidding has been good (even on s c offers )or for regular bidders .From a sellers point of view this can be a quicker way of selling ones spare plants at possibly a higher price than relisting ,although the take up on these offers is often poor.
Eric
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Is it not sometimes the case that a second chance offer is made because the winning bidder hasn't paid up??
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Not much different to comparing the price you paid for your flight with the person sat next to you on a plane.
You may have paid more but you may have wanted it more.
It sounds as if they have adopted the methods used in buying a house in Scotland,no idea what to bid, no idea what its worth, and may be a waste of time.
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Hi Maggi
In my experience it is very rare for purchasers of plants to not pay up ! as generally we are an honest bunch.
Eric
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But to be as fair as possible I usually send out larger plants to those who have paid more . Also I often include extra plants if the bidding has been good (even on s c offers )or for regular bidders
That seems to be more than fair Eric, I hope the other sellers are like yourself.
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Hi Maggi
In my experience it is very rare for purchasers of plants to not pay up ! as generally we are an honest bunch.
Eric
Well, that's a relief!
All this talk of ebay made me think I'd like to share our latest purchase with you.... not a plant, but another of our obsessions, stained glass......
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As is often the case with stained glass, the subject is religious, though we are not so inclined, just appreciate the art work!
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Hi Maggi
this mention of stained glass - I thought ~I would show you a picture of a piece I made a few years ago when doing my ´city and guilds art and design of decorative glass´ certificate.
Regards
John
p.s. has rained for the last three days in Madeira!
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Now NORTH GREEN CATALUGUE is here too.
Can somebody help with infos or pics? I`m looking for
all G nivalis named by NGS (site 34) but also for EARLY TO RIZE and TRUMPOLUTE.
Can it be, EARLY TO RIZE is an early flowering G rizehensis?
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The net shows RUPERT GOLBY as a drop with yellow ovarium and green apical mark. Is that OK?
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What I dont agree with is naming snowdrops after an existing snowdrop e.g. Prague Spring, Tall Prague Spring or Green Comet. I would have thought better names could have been found
I have never seen the majority of those you want to see. Blue Peter is lovely. My photo of this is out of focus.
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I`m looking for all G nivalis named by NGS (page34)
For those who do not have the catalogue, these are:
'Bohemia Gold', 'Chatterbox', Dumpy Green', 'Fanfare', 'Golden Glow', 'Goldheart', 'Prague Spring', 'Stork', 'Tall Prague Spring' and 'White Stag'.
This is North Green's twenty fifth year of trading so some of these may well be from the early years.
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Can it be, EARLY TO RIZE is an early flowering G rizehensis?
It is listed under Hybrids and the book says that it is probably from G.elwesii Hiemalis group, "but the leaves show subrevolute margins and an indelible central stripe, both classic traits of G.rizehensis...the inner segment marking is not dissimilar to that of G.rizehensis"
It would seem that Matt is implying a cross between the two.
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Avon Bulbs' catalogue arrived here today with a much, much wider range of snowdrops than in recent years, including quite a few specials. Unfortunately, the snowdrops are not yet on their website, and the website says not till January, so receivers of the paper catalogue will get a head start.
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Mine arrived this morning Martin and I believe there may even be more special ones on the website in due course. Many of the Autumn specials list do not appear in the catalogue so I have fingers crossed!
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Where's mine :'(
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Brandenburg is also too far ???
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:P
Foxgrove's list posted on the website at 2pm today. Quite a conservative listing this time; eg no Rushmere Green this year. But the prices are a bit more affordable than some.
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if you can read it :P
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Well, it's in the green.
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Well, it's in the green.
Literally so, I find! http://www.foxgroveplants.co.uk/index.htm
I can read the green print quite easily ....wonder if it is tricky to those ( mostly men?) with a red/green colour blindness problem? ???
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I find the contrast poor but the main problem for me is the slopey, cursive font used :-X
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I find the contrast poor but the main problem for me is the slopey, cursive font used :-X
AH! NOW I get you...... I only looked at the front page, which uses a different font... when I progress to the plant lists, I can see exactly what you mean, Ashley... yes, that is not so clear at all. :P
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Blimey that is hard to read! :o
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I hate the font also
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Avon Catalogue has a really good selection of snowdrops that should be in every collection
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Well, it's in the green.
Literally so, I find! http://www.foxgroveplants.co.uk/index.htm
I can read the green print quite easily ....wonder if it is tricky to those ( mostly men?) with a red/green colour blindness problem? ???
Not for this somewhat red/green colour blind male. The hardest thing I have found is red letters on a black background.
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I hate the font also
That's a 52$Can font 8)
I wonder if they realize how many people are having problems with their site because of the font.
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Curiously, I have no problem, but then I have to read Heinz 57 different varieties of handwriting and even do that, at only slightly slower speed, upside down. 8) Handy being a teacher. The best font for pupils to read is 'Comic Sans'.
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Mark, I don`t like to rap. But here on the continent, I (we) got no new catalogue of Avon(But I got some dormant bulbs). ??? May be it`s like you say. Feel good in better position.
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Hagan I'll add their list here later.
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Foxgrove list - The capitals are their choosing and very annoying
ARMINE. £10.00
‘ATKINSII’ £2.00 price for 3 bulbs…£5.00
‘BENHALL BEAUTY (LIMITED ONE BULB PER ORDER) £10.00
‘BERTRAM ANDERSON’ (LIMITED ONE BULB PER ORDER) £12.00
‘CURLY' £8.00
‘GALATEA’ £5.00
‘GREENFIELD’ £6.00
’GREEN NECKLACE’ £6.00
‘KETTON £7.00
‘LIMETREE’ £3.00
‘MAGNET’ £3.00 *price for 3 bulbs…£8.00
‘MERLIN’ £8.00
‘MIGHTY ATOM' (LIMITED ONE BULB PER ORDER) £10.00
MRS. ‘THOMPSON’ (LIMITED ONE BULB PER ORDER). £12.00
‘PRIMROSE WARBURG’ (LIMITED ONE BULB PER ORDER) £25.00
‘PEG SHARPLES’ £6.00
‘SALLY ANN’ (LIMITED ONE BULB PER ORDER) £12.00
‘S. ARNOTT’ £3.00 *Price for 3 bulbs…..£8.00
‘SPINDLESTONE SURPRISE’ (LIMITED TO ONE BULB PER ORDER) £25.00
‘ST. ANNES’ £10.00
‘STRAFFAN’ £5.00
‘TUBBY MERLIN’ £8.00
‘WINIFREDE MATHIAS’ £4.00
‘CORDELIA’ £6.00
‘DESDEMONA’ £6.00
‘DIONYSUS’ £5.00
‘HILLPOE’ £6.00
‘HIPPOLYTA’ £5.00
‘JACQUENETTA’ £6.00
‘LADY BEATRIX STANLEY’ £5.00
‘OPHELIA’ £5.00
‘RICHARD AYRES’
‘RODMARTON’ £6.00
‘WHITE SWAN’ £7.00
ELWESII £3.00
ELWESII ‘COMET’ £12.00
ELWESII ‘FLORE PLENO’ £5.00
ELWESII ‘HIEMALIS’ £5.00
ELWESII ‘HELEN TOMLINSON’ £6.00
ELWESII ‘MARY BIDDULPH’ £6.00
ELWESII ‘MRS. MACNAMARA’ £12.00
IKARIAE £8.00
LAGODECHIANUS £6.00
NIVALIS ‘BLEWBURY TART’ (LIMITED ONE BULB PER ORDER) £10.00
NIVALIS ‘DONCASTER’S DOUBLE CHARMER’ £12.00
NIVALIS ‘GREENISH’ (LIMITED ONE BULB PER ORDER) £12.00
NIVALIS ‘HAMBUTTS ORCHARD’ £3.00
NIVALIS ‘ LADY ELPHINSTONE’ £7.00
NIVALIS ‘PUSEY GREEN TIP' £3.00
NIVALIS SCHARLOKII £3.00
NIVALIS S.SP. VERNALIS £4.00
NIVALIS VIRIDAPICIS £3.00
NIVALIS WAREII £5.00
PLICATUS ‘AUGUSTUS’ £6.00
PLICATUS ‘COLOSSUS’ (LIMITED ONE BULB PER ORDER) £10.00
WORONOWII £3.00
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Thanks for that Mark - it was a lot of work. I tried copying and pasting the whole thing out from the website and got quite a mess that needed re-formatting.
johnw
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Mark, the forum-world is OK. There was a good spirit, who scanned me the pages of the catalogue. And another listed the cultivares for me. I only thought, a buyer will get the new catalogue quite natural. Our forum is most appreciated.
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Blimey that is hard to read! :o
One of the particularly useful features of the Opera browser is a little icon you can click to show a web page without font/background formatting. You can also easily view a page without images. Keyboard shortcuts are also available for all these effects.
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a little icon you can click to show a web page without font/background formatting.
I've missed this one which icon and where is it on Opera please?
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Hagan I think I have put my Avon catalogue in the bin. I've searched but cant find it
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a little icon you can click to show a web page without font/background formatting.
I've missed this one which icon and where is it on Opera please?
On my layout it's an icon that looks a bit like a mobile phone, top right-ish, next to a camera icon that controls images. I can't remember whether it is an automatic icon on the latest Opera or I added it (very easy - ask if you need help). It has a drop-down menu with "Author Mode", "User Mode" and all sorts of other things. Same thing can be found in the menu View, Style. "User mode" is the view without formatting.
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I think it's possible to override Web site font and colour settings using Internet Explorer. I haven't tried it myself so don't blame me if it doesn't work! As follows:-
1. Click 'Tools' button, then click 'Internet Options'
2. on 'General Tab' click 'Accessibility'
3. Select, as appropriate the 'Ignore Colours Specified on Web Pages'
' Ignore Font Styles Specified on Web Pages'
' Ignore Font Sizes Specified on Web Pages'
check the apropriate box(es) and then click 'OK' twice.
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Hagan I think I have put my Avon catalogue in the bin. I've searched but cant find it
Have you looked at Avon Bulbs' website, Hagen? The snowdrops are now listed on there (many already sold out however):
http://www.avonbulbs.co.uk/
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looks a bit like a mobile phone, top right-ish, next to a camera icon
Thanks for that, I don't have it on screen, but looking at customizing Toolbars I see one similar to that you describe called 'author mode' so will give that a whirl, thanks for your help...I won't be beaten ::)
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Something very exciting is arriving in Friday's post. I hope you are all on his mailing list!
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Would that be the Monksilver list, Mark? I know that Joe wanted to send it out last weekend but the cold weather has put him back a few days. Most of his pots have been frozen solid making stock checking impossible. Hopefully they have all thawed out nicely and the list should be complete.
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I spoke to him tonight and interupted his envelope addressing.
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I spoke to him tonight and interupted his envelope addressing.
I assume we are talking about Joe Sharman's list then, Mark, although you don't actually say.
I ordered from him last year but don't know if that means I automatically get a list this year. If anyone gets his list by email perhaps they could post it here for everyone to see as happened last year?
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Joe is having problems with the internet. I asked him about an email copy.
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It would be better if a copy of the list, or any list, could be passed around by email rather than posting all the names and prices on the Forum, please :)
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It would be better if a copy of the list, or any list, could be passed around by email rather than posting all the names and prices on the Forum, please :)
Okay. Sorry, Maggi. It happened last year, so I didn't think.
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It would be better if a copy of the list, or any list, could be passed around by email rather than posting all the names and prices on the Forum, please :)
Hi Maggi
I don't have a problem with this advice but to educate us all could you explain why Route 1 should be avoided? Is this another beartrap like picture copyright? Thanks.
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It is true that last year a copy of the monksilver list was posted in the forum. On reflection, it has been decided that this isn't really fair to others whose lists are not posted. We are not about to allow everyone's lists to be posted ...we are very liberal in allowing the publication of webaddresses etc and in helping to pass around lists to help forumists, but to go so far as to post whole lists, prices etc is a step too far.... we are not going to provide that degree of free advertising. There are opportunities for business to apply for links with this site, or for forumists to suggest links, either informally in threads or formally through the "submit" function of the Forum links pages, also for nurseries to apply for an advert to run in the banner section at the top right of forum pages.
As to Steve's comment about "the bear trap of picture copyright" ... I hardly know where to start nor am I sure what relevance this has here, but I will take the time to answer this point.
I would have thought that most people would be aware that once anything is published on the internet, it is uncommonly difficult to retain full control of the copyright. Most folks, know this, and accept it since they are getting a platform for their work.
When applications are made to the SRGC for use of a photograph, we contact the photogrpaher andseek their opinion/permission and any conditions they may have about use.
There is little we, or anyone else, can do, regardless of any desire we might have that this were otherwise, to prevent unauthorised or underhanded use of images.
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Maggi
That's clear and helpful. I wondered if the lists posting issue had a legal side like picture copyright, but I understand that its around the free advertising issue and being fair to all listers and that seems reasonable and straightforward.
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I have copied Monksilvers list to my hard drive if any one did not get a copy.
I still do not have a snowdrop here which has decided to open yet, some have been showing white for over five weeks, frustrating.
Regards
John(M)
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I have copied Monksilvers list to my hard drive if any one did not get a copy.
I still do not have a snowdrop here which has decided to open yet, some have been showing white for over five weeks, frustrating.
Regards
John(M)
I would appreciate a copy John if that is possible. I ordered from Joe Sharman last year but have not had a list yet but maybe I should have requested one.
Thank you - Anna.
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John, could you let me see the list too please?
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I have copied Monksilvers list to my hard drive if any one did not get a copy.
I still do not have a snowdrop here which has decided to open yet, some have been showing white for over five weeks, frustrating.
Regards
John(M)
I would appreciate a copy John if that is possible. I ordered from Joe Sharman last year but have not had a list yet but maybe I should have requested one.
Thank you - Anna.
Thanks for the list John :)
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I just wonder - with all this announcing of snowdrop suppliers lists arriving - are people ordering off all these lists? Ordering the entire list? Nothing left for next year? Or is it a case that we now have a group of people who actually collect snowdrop lists?
Paddy (tongue in cheek)