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Title: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: mark smyth on December 25, 2008, 12:11:11 PM
Is it a good idea to keep all Daphnes together so we can all enjoy them in one place and lust after them?

My Daphne 'Jacqueline Postill' up to this year has always looked like it was about to die. The problem seemed to be that it was grafted on ?D. longituba and it was taking over. It is a good plant itself because it flowers in the summer and has very nice orange berries. Last year I cut off the growths and 'Jacqueline' within weeks began to come back to life. Today it's about to flower and has the most buds since I've had it.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Maggi Young on December 25, 2008, 12:21:52 PM
I do enjoy seeing the detail on thee furry buds.
Great colour for Christmas Day....is your sun still shining? We had a brighter start to the day, but it's overcast now and looking like rain any minute  :P
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: 4moreaction on December 25, 2008, 01:57:28 PM
just wondering how common it is in other parts of europe/globe to grow the northern daphne mezereum..? It being so very cold hardy & floriferous... It would be interesting to know what cultivars there are in your gardens growing, as well?

And I want to wish you all a Very Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!!
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Michael J Campbell on December 25, 2008, 03:52:07 PM
Mark, your Daphne was most likely  grafted on D. Longilobata
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: David Shaw on December 25, 2008, 05:22:36 PM
Matti
We have one or two Daphne mezereum and a D. m. alba growing happily in our garden in northern Scotland and have no problem with them. They readily self seed around. As far as I know they are not named cultivars.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: mark smyth on December 25, 2008, 09:57:10 PM
Yes Michael you are correct.

Matti I also grow D. mezereum in three forms - red, white and dwarf white
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: johnw on December 26, 2008, 12:04:14 AM
Martk - Locals grow Daphne mezereum and lucky ones have the white form which breeds true I'm told.

This species is naturalized in certain areas of Nova Scotia. It is said to have been brought over by the early Acadians in the 1600's.

Even with our late Springs here both February Daphnes (type and white) manage to bloom in late March here despite the temperature. Some years it blooms a month earlier.

Can you tell me more about the red form and the intriguing dwarf white?

Mild today and the snow disappear overnight.  However the temperature will plummet tonight and then get mild for a few days.

johnw
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: 4moreaction on December 26, 2008, 09:47:43 AM
the cultivar daphne mezereum 'rubra' is, as I understand the most common available in the trade... unfortunately it seems as if it very often is marred by virus infection... =(... it's sad since it seem like it has been inflicted by the constant propagation vegetatively! I think we should refresh it by using the method of sowing those seeds that daphne gives so abundantly!   The white that is offered is as well too seldom available since it has the advantage of having very beautiful yellow berries as bonus... andloads of those super fragrant flowers...

Mark... is the dwarf cultivar you have also constant when sown from seeds?  It spound like a real treat...  hmm... would be an asset to my garden
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: mark smyth on December 26, 2008, 10:23:53 AM
John the 'red' one is I think the same as 'Rubrum'. My label simply said red form. I cant remember where I got the dwarf form from. It's growth is more horizontal than upright. The first flower is already out on mine
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Otto Fauser on December 26, 2008, 11:17:32 AM
Matti,
 even here in Australia , in elevated , cooler regions ,like the one I live here, Daphne
 mezereum is very easy to grow -so easy from seed , particular the m. 'rubra' is extremely floriferous , more than the white form.
   Maggi,
  no snow here over the Christmas days ,but sunshine and 28 C. , and amongst other
 lilies there are L. duchartrei , cernuum and nepalense in full bloom,
  with my Best Wishes for a Happy New Year to all,
       Otto.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on December 28, 2008, 01:41:22 PM
Matti,
D.mezereum in flower today.
Also D.laureola 'Margaret Mathew' (large flowers) and D.laureola subsp. philippi (small flowers)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on December 28, 2008, 02:06:29 PM
and for buds, D.bholua var. glacialis 'Gurkha'
and D.odora 'Aureomarginata'.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: David Shaw on January 06, 2009, 01:08:55 PM
On Christmas Day Matti asked about Daphne mezereum in our gardens. Since e then we have endured a week and a half of below zero temperatures dipping to -10C on several occasions and maybe as low as -15C on one occasion. This without any snow cover at all. Today the temperature has risen above zero (4C) and I have noticed that our Daphne mezereum alba has just started into flower :)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: David Nicholson on January 06, 2009, 02:27:28 PM
It's warmer up there than it is down here today David, I had below zero temerature in the greenhouse last night for the first time this year.

I have no experience of Daphnes but last year I bought a plant of Daphne bholua 'Jacqueline Postill' from a garden centre, mainly because it was reduced in an end of season sale, cost me a fiver. I planted it out in a stony part of the garden with some added grit below the root ball and although it hasn't passed on it's never really looked healthy. Here it is today-should I do anything to it or just leave it and see what happens please?



Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: mark smyth on January 06, 2009, 02:32:13 PM
David some do lose their leaves. Mine does especially since the freeze last month
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Michael J Campbell on January 06, 2009, 02:59:51 PM
David,your Daphne bholua 'Jacqueline Postill' is quite normal for a small plant at this  time of year, it will grow away normally in the spring. They take some time to settle down when moved,just give it a feed about April.
cheers.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Zdenek on January 06, 2009, 03:08:34 PM
just wondering how common it is in other parts of europe/globe to grow the northern daphne mezereum..? It being so very cold hardy & floriferous... It would be interesting to know what cultivars there are in your gardens growing, as well?

Matti,
I grow pink flowering Daphne mezereum with some problems here but I suppose that some pest is guilty. Not so the white form which is even weedy in our garden and we have tens plants after years. The best form which I grow is however the low and more prostrate form from higher elevations of Alps, sometimes called var. alpina. It is very hard, long lived, well flowering and giving seeds which germinates true.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Maggi Young on January 06, 2009, 03:24:53 PM
David,your Daphne bholua 'Jacqueline Postill' is quite normal for a small plant at time of year, it will grow away normally in the spring. They take some time to settle down when moved,just give it a feed about April.
cheers.

 Helpful advice for my two young plants,  Michael, thank you!
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Martin Baxendale on January 06, 2009, 03:43:42 PM
My experience with young Daphne bholua plants is, as Michael says, that they sit still and sulk for a couple of years, then they take off. They're said to like a leafmouldy sort of high-humus soil but grow fine on my stony, well-drained soil and are probably hardier in such conditions than when growing lushyly on rich soils.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: David Nicholson on January 06, 2009, 04:27:53 PM
Thanks Michael and Martin, I'm reassured.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: johnw on January 06, 2009, 04:46:00 PM
On Christmas Day Matti asked about Daphne mezereum in our gardens. Since e then we have endured a week and a half of below zero temperatures dipping to -10C on several occasions and maybe as low as -15C on one occasion. This without any snow cover at all. Today the temperature has risen above zero (4C) and I have noticed that our Daphne mezereum alba has just started into flower :)

David  - D. mezereum has endured all sorts of horrors in Nova Scotia, even while in flower and yet has never been damaged. They seems to last about 20 years tops but seed about prolifically. I have been told the white form does not cross with the coloured forms and breeds true which has me scratching my head - different ploidy(?).

johnw
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: David Shaw on January 06, 2009, 06:11:08 PM
John
I have collected seed and self sown seedlings of our white form but they are not at flowering size yet. I understand that they come true.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on January 06, 2009, 11:14:27 PM
David(s)
I find my D.mezereum alba is coming in to flower too.
D.bholua is reported as being hardy down to -17C , but given that it is -12C here now, maybe that's not too comforting!!
I have had totally leafless plants bounce back in the Spring without problems (both D.bholua's and D.odora's).
I reassure myself that all is ok if the main stem continues to feel firm when squeezed between thumb and forefinger.
Giles

(The 'official temperature' at the college weather station this morning, was -6C at 11 am )
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on February 12, 2009, 03:02:22 PM
Some Daphne in flower in the greenhouse today:
1. Daphne odora
2. Daphne odora
3. Daphne 'Spring Herald'
4. Daphne bholua var glacialis 'Gurkha'
5. Daphne bholua 'Glendoick'
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: mark smyth on February 12, 2009, 04:48:00 PM
Why in the green house, Giles?
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Paddy Tobin on February 12, 2009, 04:57:31 PM
I would also wonder why you grow them in the greenhouse but I imagine the scent when you enter a closed greenhouse with so many plants of daphne must be absolutely heavenly. That might be one good reason.

Paddy
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Maggi Young on February 12, 2009, 05:52:52 PM
I thought Giles told us (me?) he had recently got these Daphnes, in which case they are in pots and why not have them under glass in this weather, to enjoy them?It's what  I would do!
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: johngennard on February 12, 2009, 08:08:13 PM
I agree Maggi,I have two young plants of D.Sir Peter Smithers that I grafted last year and noticing three flower buds before the bad weather set in I placed them in the hepatica house and the scent from just three flowers is amazing.My large bushes of Jaqueline Postill are a month behind last year.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: David Nicholson on February 12, 2009, 08:10:06 PM
A beautiful show Giles.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on February 16, 2009, 03:56:42 PM
This is why I put the Daphne in the greenhouse:
These two plants are the same cultivar of D.odora, bought at the same time last Autumn, from the same place.
One was left out, the over kept (just about) frost free. They are both alive, but one is a more heartening sight in the morning than the other.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Maggi Young on February 16, 2009, 04:09:03 PM
Picture says it all, Giles.  :'(

Our snow is melting now, helped by a very rainy day. Hope yours is too.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 16, 2009, 07:59:07 PM
My Goodness! What a difference. I have never thought of D. odora as anything less than tough as old boots, but perhaps we are not quite so cold here or certainly not for such prolonged periods.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: fermi de Sousa on February 18, 2009, 03:41:50 AM
These two plants are the same cultivar of D.odora, bought at the same time last Autumn, from the same place.
One was left out, the over kept (just about) frost free.
So  ???, which is which? ;D
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Tony Willis on February 19, 2009, 11:28:43 AM
two pictures of my Daphne bholua 'Sir Peter Smithers'

It is in a pot and inside for the winter. I have lost Jaqueline Postill and a white form in the garden not withstanding a friend fifteen miles away has huge plants in his garden.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: mark smyth on February 19, 2009, 04:59:53 PM
My Daphne is now finished flowering :'( and the ground it covered with flower confetti
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 19, 2009, 09:24:53 PM
A pretty - and scented - background for the snowdrops, Mark. :)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: David Shaw on March 01, 2009, 06:16:47 PM
'I have been told the white form does not cross with the coloured forms and breeds true which has me scratching my head - different ploidy(?).' From JohnW on January 6.
John, the first of my D. mezereum seedlings are coming into flower. The flowers from the red seed are flowering red and the flowers from the white seed are coming true white.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 01, 2009, 08:29:50 PM
This is my experience too, and that of other gardeners locally. Always pink flowers from seedlings of the red-berried pink form. Always white flowers from seedlings of the yellow-berried white form. Nive to have this certainty when giving away the seedlings. :)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: mark smyth on March 01, 2009, 08:51:28 PM
I'm not impressed with the 'white' one. It's far from white and more like cream
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on March 02, 2009, 12:36:57 PM
Mark,
My white D.mezereum.
Also
'Spring Beauty'
'Spring Herald'
D. blagayana (it stinks)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on March 02, 2009, 12:41:11 PM
Daphnes enjoying the sunshine.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Martin Baxendale on March 02, 2009, 02:45:57 PM
I'm not impressed with the 'white' one. It's far from white and more like cream

I must have the only white/cream Daphne mezereum in cultivation which doesn't have any scent! It's a second or third generation seedling from my father's 'Bowles' White' form, is the only one still with me and it smells of....absolutely nothing! Just my luck.  :(   I really should replace it. As Mark says, it's not really that much of a looker compared to the pink/red forms, and without any scent it becomes a bit pointless.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 02, 2009, 04:12:45 PM
Very nice Giles - I bet the fragrance is heavenly in that greenhouse !!!  :D
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on March 02, 2009, 04:16:26 PM
Luc:  it might have smelt nice were it not for the fact that I decided to sterilise the gravel under the staging with Jeyes Fluid (methanol and coal tar)
and the result is certainly eye watering.
Martin:  my white one doesn't smell either.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Martin Baxendale on March 02, 2009, 04:38:56 PM
Martin:  my white one doesn't smell either.

I'm pretty sure my father's white ones did, unless my memory's playing tricks. The yellow berries are quite nice, but an unscented daphne just seems a bit disappointing.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Maggi Young on March 02, 2009, 05:05:21 PM
Quote
an unscented daphne just seems a bit disappointing.
Worse than that... it's a disgrace, in my opinion.
 
Giles, did you really mean that D. blagayana "stinks"..... did you not mean, "fragrances the air sweetly"???   I find it a delightful scent......outdoors, much later in the year than this... ???
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 02, 2009, 08:36:27 PM
My white is scented but not to the same strength as the pink. It's a good white, too, not cream.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: David Shaw on March 03, 2009, 08:18:34 AM
Our white doesn't smell because it doesn't have any nostrils ;D.
On the other hand it is only slightly scented.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on March 03, 2009, 09:07:30 PM
To me, D.blagayana smells like some of the tazetta's.
(ie. Harpic).
If you want a smell that gets you going, it has to be Chimonanthus praecox (and that is not so much as a scent, as a pheromone!!)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Maggi Young on March 03, 2009, 09:11:04 PM
To me, D.blagayana smells like some of the tazetta's.
(ie. Harpic).

I'm going to have to give this some serious thought, and, through the season, sniffing  :o
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 03, 2009, 10:29:48 PM

If you want a smell that gets you going, it has to be Chimonanthus praecox

My absolutely favourite scent, along with Philadelphus 'Belle Etoile.' I sometimes actually dream these two, and wake with the scent still in my nose 8). Who needs Chanel?
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on March 09, 2009, 04:50:32 PM
Daphne wolongensis 'Kevock Star'
A bit disappointed about how pale it is, but pleasantly surprised that it has a nice scent (when the books say it's scentless!).
.......available from Kevock Garden Plants!!
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: johngennard on March 10, 2009, 09:47:19 PM
I posted a pic.of this daphne last year but only Maggie picked up on it as being unknown to her.I bought it from Glendoick 3yrs.ago and have been surprised at it's hardiness particularly after this Winter.For me it is the best white and better still it is evergreen just like a white Jacqueline Postill with equally good scent.It is D.papyracae not long introduced from China and I understand that it is used extensively for the production of hand -made parchment.It seems to be growing at the same rate as J.P.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on March 10, 2009, 09:58:36 PM
Lovely plant, John. The leaves look fantastic.
I think they make paper from Edgeworthia too.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Maggi Young on March 11, 2009, 09:51:25 AM
That Daphne is getting a neat shape, isn't it? Always good to see  a plant that is willing to make a pleasing form and flower well........ yet again I regret the capacity for a scent mode on the forum!

Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: maggiepie on March 11, 2009, 01:22:18 PM
yet again I regret the capacity for a scent mode on the forum!



Me too Maggi.

Beautiful daphne John, do you know its minimum hardy zone?
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: johngennard on March 11, 2009, 07:28:56 PM
I'm sorry Helen I am unable to help you on that one.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Onion on March 11, 2009, 08:41:42 PM
Fantastic plant John :P :P :P ;D
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Onion on March 11, 2009, 08:47:33 PM
Helen,
here is a link for the Daphne John show
http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Daphne+papyracea
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Onion on March 11, 2009, 08:52:29 PM
And here a link for the hardiness zones of China

http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/Maps/ChinaHZMap.pdf

Have this link from this forum.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Gerdk on March 12, 2009, 06:55:28 AM
And here a link for the hardiness zones of China
http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/Maps/ChinaHZMap.pdf

Thank you for this useful link! Besides the hardiness zones the provinces are
shown.

Gerd
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: David Shaw on March 15, 2009, 06:19:48 PM
I was going round the garden today looking for some pictures when I noticed our Daphne laureola. Here we are growing it in classic text book style ie in moist, humus rich soil in deep shade and it has been growing very happily for the last ten years or more.

Seeing it reminded me of our trip to the Atlas Mountains in Morocco at this time last year. We were at something like 2,000m on a bare mountainside formed of hard, baked shale and mostly covered with lava flows. Growing amongst the shaly scree was a fine, mature specimen of Daphne laureola! Its habitat was completely exposed to the bright sun and high temperatures of summer and it was so close to the summit of the hill that it would have had little water. Also, surprisingly, we could only find the one plant - how had it got there? It was a mature and healthy shrub but obviously not able to read books.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on March 16, 2009, 06:04:39 PM
Daphne wolongensis 'Miyalou'
...flowering right down to the graft union!
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 18, 2009, 07:29:03 PM
Very nice plants and pictures, David and Giles. That looks like a nicely scently species Giles - if one can determine scent from a visual contact :)

David, I hadn't realized Daphne laureola was a relatively low, even prostrate plant. I recently refused the offer of one because I expected something tall and gangly, not particularly attractive. Yours is very nice. Funny about the Moroccan plant though.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: David Shaw on March 18, 2009, 09:04:08 PM
Lesley, our own plant is probably about fifteen years old and is starting to become a little straggly because it has always been in deep shade. The one on the mountainside in Morocco was tighter but still only about half a meter tall. However, definitely the same plant.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on March 19, 2009, 07:29:11 PM
Lesley,
The D. wolongensis 'Miyalou' is scentless.
- as is the D.pontica below.
The D.tangutica (I'm told) has a nice scent (I can't detect it!)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on March 22, 2009, 10:31:35 AM
A cause for much excitement - my first ever 'little pink job' - D. x susannae 'Anton Fahndrich' - £5, from Pottertons, last year - a bargain!
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Paul T on March 22, 2009, 11:14:46 AM
Some WONDERFUL things in this topic.  Oh that they were available here. ;D  Then again, where would I put them all (I'd find somewhere I am sure.  ;))

Thanks everyone for the great pics.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 22, 2009, 09:49:21 PM
That one HAS to be scented? A really nice plant.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Michael J Campbell on March 23, 2009, 08:57:04 PM
The wee Daphnes are starting to flower,

Daphne  x  mauerbachii Perfume of Spring
Daphne  x  transatlantica Beulah Cross
Daphne  x hendersonii Kath Dryden
Daphne Kilmeston Beauty
Daphne x  burkwoodii golden Treasure
Daphne x rollsdorfii Wilhelm Schacth
Daphne x whiteorum Beauworth
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on March 23, 2009, 10:22:24 PM
Thankyou for posting the pictures Michael.
They look so healthy too!
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Paul T on March 24, 2009, 06:02:59 AM
Wow.  That glorious darkest pink one, and the Golden Treasure in particular are stunning, but they're all well worth a look, that is for sure.

Thanks so much for the pics.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 24, 2009, 09:11:33 AM
I can almost smell the wonderful fragrance from here Michael !
Super series !
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on March 25, 2009, 06:01:41 PM
1. Daphne x susannae 'Tichborne'
2. Daphne collina
3. Daphne genkwa

Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Maggi Young on March 25, 2009, 07:00:16 PM


....Paul Daniels  ??? ?


Quote
quote author=Giles : ....as if by magic........


 ;D :D
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: David Nicholson on March 25, 2009, 08:31:24 PM


lovely Daphnes-if only I had the space----------
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 25, 2009, 09:17:40 PM
1. Daphne x susannae 'Tichborne'
2. Daphne collina
3. Daphne genkwa




Giles,
Something tells me you like Daphnes ??  ::) ;D

Great stuff !
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Jim McKenney on March 26, 2009, 10:21:33 PM
Last autumn a friend who gardens in northern Virginia, USA near the confluence of the Potomac River and Chesapeake Bay gave me a pot of two rooted Daphne odora cuttings. One died immediately, but the other holds on nicely.  Where I live this plant is not a reliable garden plant: it sometimes survives for a few years, but it rarely puts on much size and is prone to die suddenly.
My Virginia friend, on the other hand, finds this species very reliable; in her garden the plants are huge – one is nearly the size of a Volkswagen! Over the years she has propagated many plants, and these can be seen here and there in her garden. Her soil is a mixture of clay, sand and oyster shells (at least part of her garden appears to be on an old Indian oyster shell midden).

I kept the potted cutting in my protected cold frame during the winter, and it began to bloom a few weeks ago. It is a real pleasure to open the cold frame in the morning and be greeted with the scent of this plant.

A nearby friend managed to keep one alive long enough for it to become about two feet high and a yard across (no snickering, please; this is not Daphne country).

The attached image shows the rooted cutting in bloom. 
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on March 30, 2009, 06:25:05 PM
D. arbuscula 'Muran Pride'
D. x rollsdorfii 'Wilhelm Schacht'
D. x rollsdorfii 'Arnold Cihlarz'
D. x susannae 'Cheriton'
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on March 30, 2009, 06:27:56 PM
D. x susannae 'Lawrence Crocker'
D. x suendermannii 'Franz Suendermann'
D. 'Rosy Wave'
D. 'Pink Star'
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lvandelft on March 30, 2009, 06:29:54 PM
Beautiful collection Giles!  8)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on March 30, 2009, 06:30:48 PM
D. x mauerbachii 'Perfume of Spring'
D. 'Hinton'
D. cneorum 'Velky Kosir'
D. x burkwoodii 'Albert Burkwood'
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on March 30, 2009, 06:33:49 PM
Thankyou, Luit.
Some of them came from The Netherlands, too!
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: David Nicholson on March 30, 2009, 07:25:02 PM
What a great collection Giles I bet your greenhouse is a real pleasure to be in at this time of year.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: fermi de Sousa on April 01, 2009, 08:28:13 AM
These colourful dwarf daphnes are virtually unknown down here! Wonderful to see your pics. :D
Once again the Daphne alpina in our Rock garden has decided it would like to flower in autumn as well as spring so is now in bloom!
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cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 01, 2009, 09:27:12 AM
Giles,

Something tells me you like Daphnes...  ::) :-\

Great shots - thanks for showing all these different forms !
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on April 01, 2009, 12:15:15 PM
Luc,
It's a question of whether it's just going to be a passing phase or not.

Some of the ones I got from Belgium will be in flower soon, too.

D. albowiana
D. x whiteorum 'Beauworth'
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: mark smyth on April 01, 2009, 09:04:59 PM
I know it's my fault but I have Daphnes, growing in pots, dying because of the drought  ::) :'(
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Maggi Young on April 01, 2009, 10:47:50 PM
we've had two good days in a row..... hope this is not as good as it gets!
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on April 03, 2009, 01:58:38 PM
Maggi: 2 good days in a row, yes that  WAS , Summer.

D. gemmata
D. cneorum eximea
D. wolongensis (with more flowers now)
D. 'Perfume of Spring' (more flowers open now)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Paddy Tobin on April 03, 2009, 02:01:43 PM
Jeepers Giles,

What a fabulous collection!  Beautiful flowers and wonderful scent, I imagine.

Paddy
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on April 03, 2009, 02:09:28 PM
My biggest worry, Paddy, is that the D.jezoensis that a forumist sent me, has already tripled in size, and is set to take over the universe  :D
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: David Nicholson on April 03, 2009, 05:27:50 PM
Giles of the Daphnes you have do you have a favourite?
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on April 03, 2009, 05:50:29 PM
Daphne petraea in all its forms, David.
It grows ok, but the flower buds abort - so no photos.
The book says it's down to watering. Must try harder........... 8)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 03, 2009, 06:29:05 PM
Quote
My biggest worry, Paddy, is that the D.jezoensis that a forumist sent me, has already tripled in size, and is set to take over the universe  Cheesy
Giles, your Jezoensis will slow down once the red spiders get going.  ;D
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: mark smyth on April 03, 2009, 07:59:00 PM
I would appreciate it if plant names are added to the jpeg file name. It's a pain counting the images down and going back up to count the names down
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Maggi Young on April 04, 2009, 10:26:16 PM
Well, I must say that it's more important for the names to be in the text so if anyone prefers to save time by using  file numbers and not renaming, that's okay by me! ;D

Giles, we had another good day.... almost.... so nearly three in a row.... so, yes, it WAS summer  ;D All that changed yesterday when it turned wet and very foggy and made our drive down to Edinburgh pretty horrid, though it was fine when we got there  .... then today there was quite a lot of rain and at times, with the wind, it felt distinctly wintery again..... no sign of any Daphnes pout in flower for the show benches yet ......mind you, Perth Show can be good for them.... that's the one you need to come to!! 8)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on April 07, 2009, 01:20:51 PM
Oh dear, here I go again, another one!!!!
Daphne cneorum 'Thorenc' (apparently collected in The Maritime Alps -it says it on the label!)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Maggi Young on April 07, 2009, 01:31:05 PM
Giles, how good is your nose? I mean, might you be able to "rate" and describe all the different Daphne scents? As a happy flower sniffer, I find the question of what makes a "good" scent fascinating.... and Daphnes seem like a great plant to work on..... ???
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: maggiepie on April 07, 2009, 03:14:47 PM
Beautiful daphnes, Giles.
Pity they don't stagger their flowering times so you can have some all year.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on April 12, 2009, 05:23:38 PM
No Easter bunnies, I'm afraid, so will have to make do with these:
D. calcicola 'Gang Ho Ba'
D. x hendersonii 'Apple Blossom'
D. arbuscula (this ones got a cross like look to it)
D. cneorum 'Puszta'
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on April 12, 2009, 05:26:49 PM
D. cneorum 'Eximea' (fully open now)
D. cneorum 'Blackthorn Triumph'
Mystery Daphne
D. 'Valerie Hillier'

...won't be posting for a while, so behave yourself  ;)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: mark smyth on April 12, 2009, 07:40:22 PM
"It's a mystery" looks like what my bholua is grafted on to. Masses of flowers but no scent followed by orange berries
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: David Nicholson on April 12, 2009, 07:48:37 PM
Yet another great show Giles. When you get back you must tell us more about how to grow them.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: ruweiss on April 12, 2009, 09:29:34 PM
Mark,
your Mystery stock plant is probably Daphne longilobata.
Daphne jezoensis as a young grafting in the alpine house.
Daphne blagayana `Brenda Anderson`is quite showy, flowers profusely
with a strong and pleasant scent.(For my taste) Propagation from
cuttings is quite easy.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Paul T on April 12, 2009, 11:37:59 PM
Wow!!  So many Glorious Daphne!!!!!!  8)  Thanks.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on April 16, 2009, 07:09:02 PM
Daphnes at Wisley.
1.

 D. arbuscula.
 D. arbuscula on tufa
 D. 'Eternal Fragrance'
 D. petraea 'Grandiflora' on tufa
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on April 16, 2009, 07:09:30 PM
2.

 D. x goodsoniae 'Hinton'
 D. x hendersonii 'Apple Blossom'
 D. x hendersonii 'Fritz Kummert'
 D. x hendersonii 'Solferino'
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on April 16, 2009, 07:12:33 PM
3.
 D. x rollsdorfii 'Arnold Cihlarz'
 D. x rollsdorfii 'Wilhelm Schacht'
 D. x susannae 'Cheriton'
 D. x susannae 'Tichborne'
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Paul T on April 17, 2009, 10:21:25 AM
OMG.... I so want a D. x rollsdorfii 'Arnold Cihlarz'.  What a colour.  Positively brilliant pics Giles!! :o
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on April 19, 2009, 01:28:17 PM
Some Daphne in flower in the greenhouse today:
1. Daphne odora
2. Daphne odora
3. Daphne 'Spring Herald'
4. Daphne bholua var glacialis 'Gurkha'
5. Daphne bholua 'Glendoick'

Not sure if it's possible, Giles, but i would love to grow some Daphne's here in the Alps - Previously in the UK my all time favourite was Daphne odora Aureo-Marginata which blew me away with it's scent during evening sojourns in to my scented garden....really the snow and cold doesn't go from here until end of April.  Would any of the above Daphne's survive here?  :-\
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: tonyg on April 19, 2009, 01:37:24 PM
I'll stand to be corrected but I think you should be able to grow some nice daphnes in the alps.  Many (all?) want a neutral/alkaline soil but hardiness should not be a problem if you choose the right species.  I have seen Daphne mezereum, Daphne striata and Daphne cneorum in sites which would get prolonged winter snow cover.  The last two have a prostrate habit and all have delicious scent. 
Others will hopefully advise on the chances/prefernces of different species and hybrids but I'm sure there will be more for you to try :)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on April 19, 2009, 02:59:48 PM
Robin,

Robin White's book on Daphnes gives the frost hardiness of most of the commonly grown Daphnes and is a very nice book to have.

Sometimes a decent, consistently cold Winter is easier for the plants to cope with than the fluctuating temperatures we have in the UK.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on April 19, 2009, 03:11:27 PM
Robin,

Robin White's book on Daphnes gives the frost hardiness of most of the commonly grown Daphnes and is a very nice book to have.

Sometimes a decent, consistently cold Winter is easier for the plants to cope with than the fluctuating temperatures we have in the UK.
Thanks Giles, that's the second book on my book list to buy - I have really enjoyed looking and at your wonderful specimens and hope that may be one day I will enjoy the scent of Daphne's here.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Diane Clement on April 19, 2009, 05:26:13 PM
Robin,
Robin White's book on Daphnes gives the frost hardiness of most of the commonly grown Daphnes and is a very nice book to have.
Sometimes a decent, consistently cold Winter is easier for the plants to cope with than the fluctuating temperatures we have in the UK. 

I have heard that Daphnes (and maybe some other woody plants) need a warm summer to ripen the wood sufficiently to then get through a cold winter.  So they are less frost hardy in colder climates because of the cooler summers.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on April 19, 2009, 06:42:14 PM
I've heard that too!
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on April 20, 2009, 10:41:55 AM
re. the above, I guess a high potash feed would help.

Daphne x latymeri 'Spring Sonnet'  (the nicest scent so far)
A rare and interesting variant of Daphne sericea raised from Jelitto seed.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Otto Fauser on April 20, 2009, 11:39:28 AM
Giles - are you pulling our legs with your photo of Jelitto's Daphne sericea ?
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Paul T on April 20, 2009, 12:50:15 PM
Otto,

I think he's just trying to say that they didn't actually send him the right thing, i.e it wasn't Daphne seed despite it's labelling.  Ixias maybe, or something akin to that by the look of those leaves?
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on April 20, 2009, 01:22:34 PM
Ohhhhhh!!! Otto.......... ;D

Let's just say I won't be buying from Jelitto again!
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Roma on April 20, 2009, 08:57:34 PM
I only have four Daphnes - Daphne mezereum  white form, a rather scruffy Daphne cneorum, Daphne blagayana and Daphne retusa over a meter across and magnificent just now.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on April 20, 2009, 09:53:18 PM
Fantastic!
(mines in a 5 inch pot  :-[)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Paul T on April 20, 2009, 09:54:39 PM
Giles,

Have you notified the source of the Daphne seed?  Mistakes can easily happen, but it is the response to that mistake that is usually the proof of their business (or not, as the case may be).
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on April 20, 2009, 10:07:09 PM
The last time I sent them an enquiry, they responded in German (which was 'problematic' ).
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Roma on April 20, 2009, 10:39:51 PM
Giles,

Jellito's advert in the March AGS Bulletin gives an English address and e-mail - richard@jellito.com
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on April 20, 2009, 10:42:20 PM
Thanks Roma,
I'll give it a go.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Maggi Young on April 21, 2009, 09:19:03 PM
Not a good photo, but here is James Cobb's HUGE Daphne petraea grandiflora from the Perth SRGC Show:

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It was gorgeous, about 45 cms or more across ....sadly had a few "empty" bits with no flowers.... it's tough at the top!
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 21, 2009, 11:36:41 PM
The one beside it looks OK as well.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: tonyg on April 23, 2009, 09:19:49 PM
Daphne 'Cheriton' is flowering its socks off this year, best its ever been by far :)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on April 23, 2009, 09:23:15 PM
 :o

 8)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Paul T on April 23, 2009, 09:47:03 PM
Stunning!!  :o
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on April 23, 2009, 09:48:55 PM
Heady scent I imagine  ;)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: tonyg on April 23, 2009, 11:32:27 PM
Heady scent I imagine  ;)
Actually its not as noticeable as the venerable Daphne 'Somerset' nearby, you have to get down on your knees to appreciate 'Cheriton'
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on April 24, 2009, 10:09:40 AM
New greenhouse now planted up. (I'll worry about putting them all in clays later).
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 24, 2009, 11:00:38 AM
Nice (hard) work Giles !
I wish you lots of happy growing with it !  :D
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 26, 2009, 08:40:00 PM

This is Daphne 'Anton Fahdrich' flowering earlier this week.

(at least, I believe it's Anton Fahdrich - label got lost ?? )

It always gives a second flush of flowers in late Summer
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on April 26, 2009, 09:07:38 PM
.........just remember to bring it, next time you're over..... ;D
(seriously, it's lovely !)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Paul T on April 27, 2009, 03:37:37 AM
Awesome, Luc!! :o
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 27, 2009, 08:02:38 AM
.........just remember to bring it, next time you're over..... ;D
(seriously, it's lovely !)

Glad you like it Giles and Paul - but I was always told Daphnes don't transplant easily...  ;D
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on April 27, 2009, 02:28:59 PM
Luc:  ;)

This is D. x burkwoodii 'Astrid'
In Garden Centres everywhere!

re. my earlier seed problems, Jelitto have said they are aware there's a problem, and are sending replacements.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: johanneshoeller on April 29, 2009, 04:12:24 PM
Daphne cneorum (Upper Austrian Alps), cneorum alba and an unknown Daphne (x petraea or x striata)?
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on April 29, 2009, 08:42:03 PM
Dear Hans,
Nice daphnes!
Where did the 'unknown' one originate? In the wild, or in the garden?
Giles
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on April 29, 2009, 09:08:48 PM
Daphne cneorum (Upper Austrian Alps), cneorum alba and an unknown Daphne (x petraea or x striata)?

I love the cneorum alba but it's hard to see how big it is and also how scented?
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Ewelina Wajgert on May 03, 2009, 02:12:10 PM
Daphne cneorum "Variegata". Now begin to bloom.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Mike Ireland on May 03, 2009, 03:32:45 PM
Giles
The Daphne x burkwoodii Astrid is beautiful.  I have had D. x burkwoodii Somerset variegated form for 25 years and it does look similar to Astrid.  Could they be related?

Mike
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on May 03, 2009, 09:06:51 PM
Mike,
I can remember reading something about the origin of 'Astrid', but can't remember where!
I do remember though that it was a Dutch 'sport' of an existing cultivar, and that they are now producing large quantities of it, at a very reasonable
price. Hence it's ready availability. I think I got it at my local 'Hilliers' or 'Wyevale' for about £8.50. It got forgotten about last Summer, and got dry as a bone and dropped all of its leaves, but still came good this Spring. I would imagine you could pick one up very easily, or I could take some cuttings for you if you wished.
Giles
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on May 04, 2009, 08:38:32 AM
If you don't mind variegation, there's always this one: D. x burkwoodii 'Golden Treasure'
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 04, 2009, 10:01:17 PM
Not sure about that one, especially when pink is added. :-\
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: ruweiss on May 04, 2009, 11:29:52 PM
The Daphnes give an excellent display this year, 
the garden is full of fragrance like a perfume shop.

 D.albowiana
 D. calcicola 1
 D.calcicola 2
 D.'Ceska Rybna'
 D.circassica
 D.collina
 D.juliae
 D.petraea 'Persebee'
 D.sericea
 D.tangutica
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Mike Ireland on May 05, 2009, 10:44:16 AM
Giles
Thanks for the offer of cuttings, I will take you up on that.
I will have some Trillium seed available later, would you like some?

Mike
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on May 05, 2009, 07:19:27 PM
-will do, Mike.
The Maestro in his book says cuttings likely to work at any time, but July probably best.
I'll take some now, and some in July, and email you if/when rooted.The growth is very soft at the moment, and I'm reluctant to send 'prunings' to
you now, as I don't think they'll survive in the post.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Paul T on May 07, 2009, 12:37:42 AM
Giles,

Here, it's always supposed to be Dec/Jan for cuttings, so that fits for you guys in July.  Love that D. x burkwoodii 'Golden Treasure', as I love variegated plants, but I have to agree with Lesley that the pinkish flowers on that might clash a little.  I'd still grow it though, for that wonderful gold foliage! 8)

Rudi,

Great pics.  I'm particularly intrigued by albowiana as I received seed of it recently and now know what it will look like.  Very unusual (which to me is a good thing!  ;D).  Love the other pics too.

Thanks all.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: ruweiss on May 07, 2009, 09:20:15 PM
Paul,
Daphne albowiana is a woodland plant from the subalpine zone 1600-2000 m
in the Caucasus, I hope, that it grows well in your climate.
Attached are the last Daphne pictures for this season.
I am not quite sure, if the D. burkwoodii is true to name, but the plant is
extremely floriferous with a smashing fragrance. Maybe someone can help me.

D. x burkwoodii 1
 D. x burkwoodii 2
 D. x neapolitana 'Bramdean'
 D. x susannae ' Cheriton'
 D. x susannae 'Tage Lundell' 1
 D. x susannae 'Tage Lundell' 2
 D. x thauma
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Paul T on May 07, 2009, 11:48:46 PM
Thanks for the info Rudi.  And more lovely pics too, as a bonus.  ;D
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 08, 2009, 12:50:12 AM
Where does the name 'Persebee' come from please, on the petraea? I ask because it is the only one currently available in NZ and happily, I have two very nice plants, both packed with buds waiting for the spring. :) :) :)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on May 08, 2009, 12:24:03 PM
- it was introduced by Peter Erskine; but why 'Persebee' - I don't know.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Maggi Young on May 08, 2009, 02:11:10 PM
- it was introduced by Peter Erskine; but why 'Persebee' - I don't know.
A complete guess...... P(eter)ERS(kin)E "B" clone......... ::) ::) ???
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on May 08, 2009, 02:21:12 PM
been looking for clues again Maggi ???  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 08, 2009, 10:23:27 PM
Daphnes in the alpine house,

Young grafted plants.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on May 09, 2009, 06:43:13 AM
Wow, Michael, you have been very busy!!!
I love shots like that - that show what peoples growing conditions are like.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: johanneshoeller on May 10, 2009, 06:03:24 PM
Giles,

the unknown Daphne is from R. Potterton (year 2000 or earlier?)

Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on May 10, 2009, 09:22:12 PM
Thankyou, Hans.
Is it the source of the 'unknown Daphne' in this years' AGS seed exchange?
(as it is germinating!)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 11, 2009, 01:37:27 AM
- it was introduced by Peter Erskine; but why 'Persebee' - I don't know.

Well that makes mine even more precious as Peter visits NZ from time to time so probably was able to give material to Merv Holland who propagated mine. I know Peter a little bit.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Tomasz Cyba on May 12, 2009, 02:56:34 PM
D. calcicola 1
 D.calcicola 2
Rudi, do you grow this Daphne calcicola outside (nice speciman, btw)? If so, what was the minimum temperature it withstood this past winter? My friend tried to grow 'Gang Ho Ba' clone, but it perrished after taking about -23C with little protection.

Nice thread to say hi to all the Daphne lovers.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Maggi Young on May 12, 2009, 02:57:19 PM
Hi, Thomasz, welcome to the Forum!
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on May 12, 2009, 07:34:17 PM
Hi Tomasz,
Welcome!!
I hope you will make many friends on the forum!!
The UK Daphne man (Robin White) says hardy to -12 C in his book, but plants here survived to -15 C this Winter.
If Rudi doesn't notice your posting, you could try sending him a 'private message' - if you haven't worked out how to do that yet, let us know.
Giles
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: ruweiss on May 12, 2009, 08:48:38 PM
Hello Tomasz, welcome to the forum. My Daphne calcicola are seedlings, about 8 years old.
In their first years I cultivated them in pots to bring them into the unheated alpine house
during winter. Since about 4 years they live in the open garden and were not harmed by
our winter(usually down to -12°, the last one -15°) Maybe your winters are too cold for
these beautiful plants. In my experience it is quite useful to protect these plants with branches
from conifers against winter sun.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Paul T on May 13, 2009, 03:16:06 AM
Welcome Tomasz 8)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Tomasz Cyba on May 13, 2009, 01:24:51 PM
The UK Daphne man (Robin White) says hardy to -12 C in his book, but plants here survived to -15 C this Winter.

As the UK climate is so mild, its hard for Mr White to tell, what happens to a particular species below these -15C. IMHO in some cases he is too conservative about the hardiness. To my delight a small Daphne (Wikstroemia) gemmata (rated Z8 in his book) in my garden sailed through a winter with a -21C minimum (and long patterns of days with maximum temperature below 0C in January) virtually unharmed (with protection in form of a plastic bottle when the temperature was to dip below -10C).

Thanks Rudi for your kind answer, and thanks to everyone for a warm welcome (been an observer for some time).
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Martijn on May 18, 2009, 05:25:24 PM
Hello Rudi,

Interesting Daphne´Ceska Rybna´. What is the origin of this plant? Is it an arbuscula type?

Regards, Martijn
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Diane Clement on May 18, 2009, 07:02:31 PM
Hello Rudi,  Interesting Daphne´Ceska Rybna´. What is the origin of this plant? Is it an arbuscula type?
Regards, Martijn 

It's D collina x arbuscula.  I bought one in 2007 from Zdenek Rehacek (of this forum) who I believe bred this plant and named it after his village.  Maybe Zdenek might see this and add some more information. 
Mine hasn't yet flowered although it looks very healthy.
This is the link from Zdenek's website
http://zrehacek.itriss.com/os/obrD/Daphne_Ceska_Rybna.jpg (http://zrehacek.itriss.com/os/obrD/Daphne_Ceska_Rybna.jpg)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: johanneshoeller on May 19, 2009, 07:23:45 PM
Daphne oleoides and reichsteinii
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on May 22, 2009, 07:01:54 PM
Hans,
Lovely Daphnes! (Daphnes are ALWAYS lovely  ;D)
As these are in the same family as Daphnes I'll put these here:
Pimelea ferruginea
Pimelea tomentosa
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lvandelft on May 22, 2009, 08:52:06 PM
Hans,
Lovely Daphnes! (Daphnes are ALWAYS lovely  ;D)
As these are in the same family as Daphnes I'll put these here:
Pimelea ferruginea
Pimelea tomentosa
They are as lovely as Daphne. Do you grow these Pimelea outside Giles?
P. ferruginea is a beauty!
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on May 22, 2009, 09:13:33 PM
I kept them frost free, Luit.
Pimelea prostrata, which I've also got, is described as indestructably hardy, but some of the others are a bit on the marginal side.
I was keen to see what other Thymelaeaceae were like, to find that New Zealand/Australia (Pimelea) and Africa (all sorts of weird plants)
were full of the things.
I managed to find about 30 Pimelea species available from commercial Australian seed companies, so I guess it's a case of I'll find out soon
how hardy they are (or aren't).
I didn't want to get too stuck in a rut with just Daphnes.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lvandelft on May 22, 2009, 09:22:37 PM
Giles, I had Pimelea prostrata outside in the rockgarden many years, until it got to old and overgrown by something else. When I noticed it was already to late :( I must really try it again, it does give lots of berries, but never found a seedling.
I asked, because I thought that most other Pimelea will not be hardy here outside, but time will learn if this is true.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: mark smyth on May 22, 2009, 09:23:43 PM
Too many of my Daphnes have died this summer due to long dry periods/neglect
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on May 22, 2009, 09:36:22 PM
Luit, if they have any 'berries' this year I'll let you know.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: gmoen on May 24, 2009, 03:47:08 PM
Some Daphnes flowering in the garden to day

1 My Daphne habitat in the garden (D. x whiteorum 'Kilmeston' in front)
2 Daphne cneorum
3 Daphne sericea
4 Daphne juliae
5 Daphne thauma x stricta
6 Daphne circassica (nice undulate petals)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on May 24, 2009, 06:37:03 PM
Nice plants, Geir  :D
Here's Pimelea prostrata (and some cat hair!)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lvandelft on May 24, 2009, 10:09:32 PM
Nice plants, Geir  :D
Here's Pimelea prostrata (and some cat hair!)

Giles, seeing the picture I realized that my brains are getting a bit old  :o :o   :-[.
The Pimelea I had in the garden was Pimelea coarctica..
Next time I will nock on my head first before I comment, that is, if I don't forget.. ;D
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 24, 2009, 11:12:34 PM
Luit, you may get seedlings 10 or 20 years down the track! Like for Daphne, the seeds need to have the fleshy coating cleaned away for the seeds to germinate well. From collected seed I get good germination from (fresh) cleaned seed but none at all from seeds with their coats in tact.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Paul T on May 25, 2009, 04:14:01 AM
Geir,

What a lovely selection of species.  Beautiful.  Thanks for posting.

Giles,

Nice addition of the cat hair, for effect.  ;)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on May 25, 2009, 08:09:56 AM
Some Daphnes flowering in the garden to day

1 My Daphne habitat in the garden (D. x whiteorum 'Kilmeston' in front)
2 Daphne cneorum
3 Daphne sericea
4 Daphne juliae
5 Daphne thauma x stricta
6 Daphne circassica (nice undulate petals)

Geir, your Daphnes open up such a great range of flowering in your rockery with scent, I assume.  It would be good if you could show us more of the habitat so one can see how they relate to your other gems  :)   Also how hardy are these Daphnes you show are they all grown outside?
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: arisaema on June 04, 2009, 09:41:50 AM
What might this one be? Bougth unlabelled last year from a local nursery, probably Dutch grown.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on June 04, 2009, 09:54:21 AM
It looks like my D. x burkwoodii 'Astrid', but there are quite a few other variegated burkwoodii's around.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: arisaema on June 04, 2009, 10:04:09 AM
Thank you, Giles, that could very well be it! Is there any way to make it look slightly less rediculous, do they shoot well from older wood? At the moment it's just a lot of 40cm long bare stems with tufts of foliage at the ends.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 04, 2009, 09:32:27 PM
Or you could use the height of it and plant somthing lower around the base.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on June 04, 2009, 09:51:24 PM
I cut a D. x burkwoodii back, and it didn't grow back.
Next time I'll make sure the cuttings are rooted, before doing any pruning  ;)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Mike Ireland on June 06, 2009, 08:25:58 PM
Daphne oleoides, with me seems to be the most reliable to flower well.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 06, 2009, 11:00:53 PM
That's a very fine plant Mike and should be a real beauty when it fruits, though for me, the fruit seems to ripen spasmodically over a few weeks rather than in one glorious flush.

Is there much VISIBLE difference between D. oleoides and D. kosaninii? Mine seem virtually identical, though of course one could be wrongly named. Pretty sure oleoides is right and the other came from what should be a reliable source (as seed).
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on June 07, 2009, 10:33:34 AM
Daphne oleoides, with me seems to be the most reliable to flower well.
What a fabulous plant, congratulations Mike, how old is it to be flowering so profusely?  :)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Mike Ireland on June 07, 2009, 11:56:05 AM
Lesley & Robin
The D. oleoides sets profuse amounts of seed which I have to gather quickly as the local blackbirds seem to think should all be left for them, they can clean out the seed within a few days.
My D. kosaninii, which is about 10 years old is only 6" high and is certainly much slower growing, the D. oleoides is 15 years old and 18" high by 30" wide.
Hope fully seed will be available from both these plants.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: johanneshoeller on June 20, 2009, 07:23:43 AM
One question: Do you use mature (red) or unmature seeds (green) for propagation?
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: David Nicholson on July 07, 2009, 04:11:37 PM
Here is my Daphne bholua 'Jacqueline Postill' I posted on 6 January last when I thought it wasn't looking very healthy, and the second pic is of the same plant today.

Michael Campbell advised me that it was quite normal for a small plant at that time of the year and it would start to grow away in the spring and I should give it a feed about April time. I followed his advice and you can see the result. My question now is whether I should pinch out some of the taller growth to try to get a better shape to it, and if I did could I use the pinched out bits as cuttings? How should I grow the cuttings on?



Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Michael J Campbell on July 07, 2009, 09:14:42 PM
David,you can pinch it now to get a better shape, but I don't think that you will have much luck with rooting the cuttings. Jacqueline is not very obliging when it comes to putting on roots. Try semi hardwood cutting now but don't expect too much. If they do root leave them until spring before potting on. As to the pinching to shape,sometimes they don't branch out as one would expect, and you will probably be pinching out some of next springs flowers. Sorry for all the pessimism but Daphne's are not easy.

Cheers,

Michael.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Paddy Tobin on July 07, 2009, 09:23:03 PM
David,

That is certainly a good recovery for your daphne. Good luck with it now as it is a wonderful plant, fantastic scent.

Michael,

Re daphne cuttings: what of taking up suckers from D. 'Jacqueline Postill'? Is there any success with this? I have tried a few times to lift suckers and have dug down carefully along the line of the shoot and, despite going to a good depth, failed to come on any roots. Any comments?

Paddy
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Michael J Campbell on July 07, 2009, 09:41:28 PM
Paddy, I have never had success with Jacqueline Postill other than grafting unto Longilobata or Mezereum. If there is any other method I have not discovered it yet. Even if you did get some roots on the suckers they would not survive the transplanting. It is an easy plant when it has settled down in the garden but difficult to reproduce a decent size and good shaped plant.

cheers
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: David Nicholson on July 08, 2009, 08:47:57 PM
Many thanks Michael, I think I shall leave my plant as it is and just await the flowers next year (I hope!)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Michael J Campbell on July 08, 2009, 09:02:12 PM
David, you can prune it immediately after it flowers which is the best time, then all the new growth made will flower the following spring.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: ruweiss on August 03, 2009, 04:39:20 PM
Daphne tangutica flowered and sets seeds now for a second time with even more
seeds than at the first time.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on August 23, 2009, 11:41:17 AM
Daphne x eschmannii 'Jakob Eschmann'
Daphne x mantensiana 'Audrey Vockins'
Daphne jasminea (Delphi Form)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: David Nicholson on August 23, 2009, 06:49:22 PM
Very nice indeed Giles.


By the way there is a paragraph in the new edition of 'The Garden' about red spider mites. Not too helpful, I would imagine, but it's there!
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on August 23, 2009, 07:25:23 PM
Thankyou, David.
I only had a quick flick through when it arrived, and had missed it.
I had looked at the RHS website 'Advice' section and found some stuff there too.
They're all dead now  8)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 23, 2009, 10:21:43 PM
Of my two Daphne petraea 'Persabee,' the one in the tunnel is leggy and drawn (though with buds) even though the tunnel is knitted fabric rather than plastic, and so sun, air and wind get in. But the one which is out in all weathers is PACKED with buds, all very tight and hard. A picture in due course. They came from Merv Holland near Christchurch and I can't speak too highly of his daphnes - for those in NZ - super plants, beautifully produced and at extremely reasonable prices, even, one might say, CHEAP!
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 23, 2009, 10:22:51 PM
Those are beautiful fruit on D. tangutica. I must pay more attention to mine and perhaps hand pollinate to encourage more fruit.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 02, 2009, 10:43:43 AM
Seeing David's success with his Daphne, after a worrying time when it was sick, is a real story of gardening patience with plants and the pleasure it can bring to see them flourish. The Daphnes posted here look so good I can almost smell their scent and to have flower and fruit extends the overall delight throughout the year. Thanks for posting 'a glimpse' everyone.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: ruweiss on September 06, 2009, 09:09:54 PM
Lesley, I would recommend you to be patient with your Daphne tangutica. In my experience it needs a certain degree
of matureness to set a reliable amount of seeds.Of course the weather is another factor, it must be warm, that all the
friendly insects can fly. Good luck!
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on September 13, 2009, 10:16:41 AM
Daphne bholua 'Rupina La'
Daphne cneorum 'Lac des Gloriettes'
Daphne jezoensis (flatly refuses to open) - from Ireland  ;)
Daphne x burkwoodii 'Briggs Moonlight'
Daphne pontica 'Variegata'
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 13, 2009, 11:17:07 AM
Daphne bholua 'Rupina La'
Daphne cneorum 'Lac des Gloriettes'
Daphne jezoensis (flatly refuses to open) - from Ireland  ;)
Daphne x burkwoodii 'Briggs Moonlight'
Daphne pontica 'Variegata'

Lovely Daphnes Giles (keep wondering how your Magnolia plantation is settling in too!) What a lovely range of form and colour the D. cneorum 'Lac des Gloriettes' is really cute and I love the variagated leaves on your Daphne x burkwoodii 'Briggs Moonlight' - imagine it has quite good scent too with the burkwoodii heritage  ::)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Brian Ellis on September 13, 2009, 12:56:48 PM
Advice please, I have a seedling Daphne jezoensis - 2" tall, should I pinch the tip out to make it bush?  If so when? 
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Michael J Campbell on September 13, 2009, 06:17:23 PM
Giles,the Jezoensis flowers will not open until late Winter /early Spring.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Michael J Campbell on September 13, 2009, 06:19:59 PM
Brian,you can nip them now  if you want ,but I usually wait until early spring just as new growth starts.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on September 13, 2009, 06:28:50 PM
Thankyou, Michael.
Each morning I've looked at them, and tried to convince myself that 'something' is happening !
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Brian Ellis on September 16, 2009, 01:00:52 PM
Thanks Michael, I will do as you suggest, having waited so long before I got one I don't want to scupper my chances ;D
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on September 16, 2009, 06:15:00 PM
Daphne cneorum 'Peggy Fell'
- the usual pink flowers, but a nice densely branched, ground hugging habit.
The floor of my newer greenhouse is already overflowing with plants looking for homes  ;)  8)  :o
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Maggi Young on September 16, 2009, 07:20:11 PM
This 'Peggy Fell' is a new variety to me, Giles. She is a very dainty colour.   
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: steve owen on September 16, 2009, 07:35:20 PM
Very dainty indeed especially if that pink is true to colour. Is the variety available to us mortals?
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on September 16, 2009, 08:01:53 PM
Hi Steve,
Yes, that's the true colour.
Robin White(Blackthorn Nursery) is the best source.
He attends the AGS Shows in the Southern half of the UK.

Apparently collected  in 1977 when Peggy Fell visited the Pyrenees
...I think a 'discussion' could be had as to the 'appropriateness' of giving 'wild collections' 'cultivar' names...but it would give me a bit of a headache....
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Diane Clement on September 16, 2009, 11:06:32 PM
Robin White(Blackthorn Nursery) is the best source.
He attends the AGS Shows in the Southern half of the UK.   

... that means as far north as Pershore and Midlands (Solihull) shows  ;)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on September 16, 2009, 11:11:29 PM
The lady has a delightful habit too, perfect to sit at the edge of a trough. :)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: cohan on September 16, 2009, 11:47:24 PM
Apparently collected  in 1977 when Peggy Fell visited the Pyrenees
...I think a 'discussion' could be had as to the 'appropriateness' of giving 'wild collections' 'cultivar' names...but it would give me a bit of a headache....

probably a discussion of the topic is unnecessary,  but if it ever comes to a vote, count me as 'against' fancy names for natural forms, unless there is a geographical subtitle... muddies the waters, i feel, so you can't tell garden forms from wild ones..
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on September 19, 2009, 03:01:56 PM
Daphne arisanensis.
About 4 foot tall, the flowerhead about 1.5 - 2.0 cm across, no fragrance.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: WimB on September 19, 2009, 07:16:16 PM
Giles,

lovely Daphne's (as always) and an amazing bunch of plants in your greenhouse.

For some reason Daphne's and I don't mingle, I've been able to kill every single one of them I bought in the past years. But it's always a joy to see your nice and very good grown Daphne's and to see the many species and varieties I have never heard about.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on September 19, 2009, 09:21:37 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: ruweiss on September 22, 2009, 09:05:27 PM
Small plant with showy flowers - Daphne petraea "Persebee",now flowering
for the second time this year.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on September 23, 2009, 12:04:15 AM
A second time indeed, as mine, in the southern hemisphere, is just about to burst into flower. A pic in due course. I hope it too, flowers a second time, out of season. :)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on September 23, 2009, 09:53:53 AM
Small plant with showy flowers - Daphne petraea "Persebee",now flowering
for the second time this year.

Same with mine !!  :D :D
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on October 05, 2009, 09:12:15 PM
Still waiting for my 'Persabee' but in the meantime, Daphne arbuscula is looking just fine. Heavy rain and snow in recent days haven't affected the already opened flowers.
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Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on October 05, 2009, 10:12:14 PM
Lesley, what a lovely Daphne arbuscula smothered in flowers, you can hardly see the leaves - it looks so happy  ;D

Hope it smells good too  :D
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on October 06, 2009, 10:13:55 AM
I bet it does Robin !!!  8)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Paul T on October 06, 2009, 12:00:10 PM
Here, the Daphne bhuloa has finished, the D. odorata are just finishing up, some flowers still on the D. genkwa, and the D. burkwoodii variegata is in full flower.  I haven't managed to track down any of the miniature types of Daphne as yet.... I have to try to get up to the Blue Mountains near Sydney where I know there is an open garden that grows and sells them when she has enough.  I do so want some of these small ones.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: ashley on October 06, 2009, 12:24:13 PM
What a fine D. arbuscola Lesley :o  How old is it?

Paul, could we see some pics of your genkwa if that's not too much trouble?
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on October 06, 2009, 08:32:52 PM
Ashley I think my D. arbuscula is about 12 years old now. And yes, it smells wonderful. Just like.....Daphne, in fact. :) I used to find it very easy to propagate from cuttings when I had a small heated frame but I haven't now and find it more difficult. They take quite a long time to root, without heat.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Paul T on October 07, 2009, 12:29:53 AM
Ashley,

I'll see if I can find a decent pic of the genkwa when it was in full flower.  I actually have two different forms... one which has the large flowers and is always a bit floppy, while the other is a "dwarf" version that has much smaller flowers and much sturdier branches comparatively.  The "dwarf" version I only bought recently, and it still has lots of flowers, whereas the larger version is just on finished.  I've taken comparative pictures of the flowers, if that is of interest to you?
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on October 13, 2009, 11:26:43 PM
At last my little daphne is out, more on one side than the other but OK I think. The pot is 15cms across the top. (I see I've mis-spelt it. Will have to change the file name.]
Daphne petraea 'Persebee'
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: ashley on October 13, 2009, 11:42:30 PM
I actually have two different forms... one which has the large flowers and is always a bit floppy, while the other is a "dwarf" version that has much smaller flowers and much sturdier branches comparatively.  The "dwarf" version I only bought recently, and it still has lots of flowers, whereas the larger version is just on finished.  I've taken comparative pictures of the flowers, if that is of interest to you?

Yes please Paul.

Another lovely one there Lesley.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on October 14, 2009, 10:33:47 AM
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Daphne petraea 'Persebee'

Lesley, a really cute and simply lovely Daphne - is this a new one for you?
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on October 14, 2009, 10:39:00 AM
At last my little daphne is out, more on one side than the other but OK I think. The pot is 15cms across the top. (I see I've mis-spelt it. Will have to change the file name.]
Daphne petraea 'Persebee'

I can smell it as far as this end of the world Lesley ...  :D
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on October 14, 2009, 08:39:43 PM
Robin I bought it (two, actually) in Jan 2008 at an NZAGS Study weekend, and for a very reasonable price, $10, about 2.60 in GB pounds at current exchange rates. One is under cover and though growing well, is flowering much less and inclined to be a bit leggy so I'll introduce it to the big outdoors before it gets too warm here (not much chance of that at present :'(). The only other petraea I've had was over 20 years ago, a tiny thing abut 1 cm in height, for $25 and the slug which came with it had eaten the top above the graft before I got it home. >:(
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on October 15, 2009, 07:45:47 AM
Thanks for your comments, Lesley, I shall look out for this lovely Daphne and hope their are no slugs lurking  :o
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on October 15, 2009, 08:34:27 AM
Thanks for your comments, Lesley, I shall look out for this lovely Daphne and hope their are no slugs lurking  :o


Robin,
I got one from Robin White (Blackthorn Nursery) last year... without slugs..  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on October 15, 2009, 09:57:40 AM
Thanks Luc, assume you mean in UK?
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on October 15, 2009, 10:51:46 AM
Thanks Luke, assume you mean in UK?

Yes Robin !
Google for "Blackthorn Nursery" - you'll find plenty of information.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Michael J Campbell on October 28, 2009, 08:50:53 PM
Daphne mantensiana Audrey Vokins.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 29, 2009, 12:08:38 AM
Nothing quite so exciting, but we grow Daphne alpina in the rock garden and it's now in full bloom,
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cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on October 29, 2009, 09:37:06 AM
Your Daphne alpina looks wonderful in your rock garden, Fermi, how big will it grow do you think eventually?  Also how scented is it, looks like it's in full sun?
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on October 29, 2009, 09:42:21 AM
Daphne mantensiana Audrey Vokins.

The leaf margins are exceptional, Michael, what a beautiful Daphne...the flower sits so neatly in the leaf whorl, thanks for the photo  :D
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 03, 2009, 05:28:10 AM
Your Daphne alpina looks wonderful in your rock garden, Fermi, how big will it grow do you think eventually?  Also how scented is it, looks like it's in full sun?
Hi Robin,
that bush is about 8 years old and is under 1m (about 80cm tall and across) it may be the "dwarf type" that is mentioned in the seed-lists as it doesn't look like it will get much bigger. It's never been pruned but has room to grow if it wants to! It is planted in full sun but with a rock between it and the early summer sun; in full summer the sun almost appears to be overhead!
The scent is pleasant and not over-powering, but you have to lean over the rock to sniff it!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on November 03, 2009, 08:37:05 AM
Thanks for this Fermi, I shall look out for it and imagine I should find it here.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: ruweiss on November 03, 2009, 06:34:58 PM
Fermi,nice to see such a beautiful specimen of Daphne alpina now flowering with you.
I cultivate both forms of this decorative shrub, my dwarf form is now about 30 cm in height
after 8 years from planting. The plant was a gift from Milan Halada, (the man with the quarry
garden in Prague)who took seeds from a plant in the Kosovo Region (former Yugoslavia).
Your plant is in my opinion a beautiful specimen of the normal form,according to  height
and age.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 03, 2009, 08:28:30 PM
I bought a small plant with the name D. alpina, at the weekend. I though the leaves were too big but looking at these pics, maybe not.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 05, 2009, 02:29:42 AM
Hi Rudi,
thank you for your comments; in that case I've yet to germinate seed of the "dwarf form" received from the Seedexes but if they are a smaller version of the one I'm currently growing it would be worthwhile getting one (or more!)
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Ewelina Wajgert on November 07, 2009, 05:19:47 PM
But smelling thread...

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Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: iann on November 19, 2009, 12:13:52 AM
Here's a Daphne that I haven't seen mentioned on this thread (unless I missed it): D. x transatlantica 'Eternal Fragrance', apparently a Robin White cross.  As you can see it starts flowering early and it still has some flowers now in November.  Nicely scented.

Mine in the garden gets a rust-like infection which can defoliate the plant although I don't think its actually rust.  Strangely enough a cutting I took has stayed completely clean still in a pot.  Maybe it doesn't like my stony alkaline soil?  It may be improving with age, but how many years could it take to settle in?
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Michael J Campbell on November 19, 2009, 09:42:03 AM
Daphne D. x transatlantic 'Eternal Fragrance is protected by plant breeders rights which probably accounts for why you have not seen it on the forum before. We are not allowed to propagate it without a licence, so it is not as widely available as Jim's Pride which has the same parents, and although almost as good a plant, it does not have the flower power of D. x transatlantic 'Eternal Fragrance in the first flush of bloom in the spring. It is also much more expensive because of the breeders rights so most people settle for Jim's Pride.

A good spray with Liquid Copper should cure the rust or whatever is affecting your plant and it should be quite happy in your soil conditions.
Daphne's are sometimes difficult so get settled in and can be temperamental.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: iann on November 19, 2009, 12:08:16 PM
I was a little surprised to find this one in a regular garden centre and it wasn't cheap, but then Daphnes are never cheap.  I've tried the copper fungicide regularly through a whole summer.  It might have helped but it didn't prevent the rusty spots which makes me think it wasn't simple rust.  I've also tried Myclobutanil but that didn't do a whole lot either.

I took some pictures.  I suspect the fungal spots are just dead now and might not tell very much, but here's an infected branch tip and a fallen leaf.
Title: Re: Daphnes 2008-2009
Post by: Giles on November 19, 2009, 05:56:20 PM
RW mentions a specific leaf spot fungus of Daphnes in his book.
I guess good air circulation to keep the leaves as dry as possible would help, if the sprays aren't helping.
Mine are under glass, and their leaves never get wet, and have never experienced this problem myself.
There is a stunning pink 'sport' of 'Eternal Fragrance' in the pipeline  8), I don't know when it will be generally available though.
I saw it in the Summer - it is fantastic.
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