Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: Tim Harberd on December 24, 2008, 07:04:14 PM
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Hi Folks,
I was interestred in last years crop of 'solo' flowers BUT since I have cultivars that will produce one fine flower in four, I'd be much more interested to hear what other folk grow that reliably produces a decent pan. My criteria are a fair number of good sized flowers, (with few deformities) on good stems in interesting colours. (I'm not interested in artificial 'Show crammed' pots!)
As an opener here is a 14cm pot of a (P.Soufriere x P.Shepherd's Warning) cross. The flowers are up to 95mm across.
Happy Christmas
Tim DH
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Beautiful, Tim. What a lovely display.
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Very nice potful Tim !!!! Beautiful flowers !
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Hi Tim
Here are some pans of Pleione which are all easy ones and grow well. The last picture of Vesuvius is not mine, it was taken by a friend in Germany.
Dave
Pleione formosana.jpg
Pleione hekla bowl.JPG
PleioneGerry Mundey.jpg
Pleionefuego.jpg
Pleione Vesuvius.
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Well done Dave ! Beautiful show !!
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Hi Dave,
Thanks for the pictures. Your Fuego looks a good form. For comparison, do you know how wide the flowers are? My best Fuego has rather small flowers, only about 75mm across. Does yours have a cultivar name/number?
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Ooops my computer posted before I'd finished again.
My favourite vesuvius, 'Ember' (67.11) does a bit better for size (84mm), which is quite a bit smaller than v 'Leopard' (95mm) but I prefer the colour.
Tim DH
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Hi Dave,
Thanks for the pictures. Your Fuego looks a good form. For comparison, do you know how wide the flowers are? My best Fuego has rather small flowers, only about 75mm across. Does yours have a cultivar name/number?
Sorry Tim I have no idea on flower size or cultivar name/number. I've had these for the last 10yrs at least and they were just given to me as Pln. fuego. I'll have to wait until they next flower to measure them.
David
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I agree Tim, that's a very nice P. vesuvius form !!!
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Hi Dave,
I think maximium flower width is an interesting thing to record, even tho’ it is somewhat variable. Most flowers continue to grow for some days after first opening, and cultivars vary from year to year as well. Recently I was asked about the difference between P confusa and P Shantung Ducat. The colour/marking of both is variable, mostly it seems due to temperature whilst the bud is developing. My range for confusa is 78 - 81mm and for Ducat its 93 - 105mm.
I only record the biggest flower in a pan, so it’s a fairly rough measure. But since it’s the same rough measure across all my cultivars it does help sort things out.
Tim DH
Hi Luc,
I’m glad you approve of it! It is now the only Vesuvius I grow, having dropped three others. I particularly like the clean colour separation in the lip. Here's a close up.
Tim DH
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Absolutely beautiful !!! :D
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Hi All,
Here are pickies of the plants I took to Harrogate Show today.
All 14cm pots. All shot at dawn, so apologies for the extra flash!!
Class 35 1 rock plant in flower. P. Marco Polo '168.2' unplaced.
This cultivar usually only gives me 2/3 flowers per pan. Flowers up to 95mm across.
Class 49 1 pan Pleione. P. Starbotton '213.1' 2nd prize
I'd forgive anyone who called this grex a poor relation of Vesuvius!
It does however regularly put up 9 flowers in this size pot. Up to 95mm across
Class 58 1 pan rock plant native to Asia. P. x taliensis 'Lushan 2' unplaced
Not a good show plant because the bulbs never flower together.
Can produce a dozen flowers in a pan, up to 75mm across
Class 60 1 pan rock plant native to Japan or China. P. bulbocodioides 'SBEC 205.2' 3rd prize
Collected on the 1981 Sino/British Exp to Cangshan, hence all the letters. It also has an RBGE aquisition number in your interested!
Not quite in full flower so you can't see its unusual fault. Overlong stalks!
Averages 10 flowers per pan, up to 85mm across
Class 77 1 pan rock plant in flower. P. Ueli Wackernagel '169.7' 3rd prize
Oops, missed this one out, here's an evening shot.
It usually stands better than this. Can do a dozen flowers up to 105mm across
Class 83 1 pan Orchidaceae. P. Soufriere x P. Shepherds Warning '183.1' 3rd prize
Looking a bit ragged this year Can do 8 flowers a pan up to 95mm across
Class 86 1 pan rock plant native to Asia. P. bulbocodioides 'K41' 1st prize
My favourite bulbocodioides, tho' not the most floriferous
Normally only 5 flowers a pan, but usually better held than these. Up to 95mm across
Class 99 1 pan rock plant in flower P. Soufriere 'Sunrise' unplaced
Not a well balanced show. Can do 10 flowers a pan up to 110mm across
Class 113 1 pan rock plant in flower P. Stromboli '93.1' 3rd
Not up to standard this year. Will do a dozen flowers up to 95mm across
That's probably me done with (non electronic) showing till next year
Tim DH
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As a post script:
Here's that bulbocodiodes cultivar (SBEC205.02) at full stretch.
The stems are up to 16cm long, measured from ground level to start of seed pod.
(The seed pod itself carries on about another 5cm.)
These aren't actually the longest stems in my collection (a Stromboli beats it) but they are disproportionate to the flower (max 85mm)
Tim DH
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I agree with you Tim, the stem is really out of proportion - not a very nich show plant.
Somehow I had missed your previous post :(
Nice group of pots and congratulations with the prizes.
My vote goes to the pot of U. wackernagel !
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Hi There,
This is just about my first pan of pleiones since the big freeze! (2010/11, see Ken Redshaw thread below) Its P. follifoot ‘Princess Tiger’. Not my favourite! Quite small (up to 75mm across) and I don’t care for hooded top petals. But it’s a ‘good doer’.
Following the big freeze I really feel I ought to get the best of my father’s cultivars into other hands! Sort of an insurance policy for the poor things!! I might get my act together and produce a catalogue this summer. If you’d be interested in seeing it drop me an email.
Tim DH
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Hi There,
I’ve finally got round to ‘’publishing’’ a list of my father’s collection. One of the most difficult parts of the operation was selecting a Top Ten. For example, this delightful cultivar, is probably No. 11! It’s P. Stromboli ‘’Senorita’’
If you’d like a copy of the full list, (52 cultivars, all illustrated, with some background info.), I’ve managed to condense it into a 2MB PDF. Send me a PM with your email address.
Tim DH
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Dear Maggi & Co.
Thank you for your assistance in dispersing my father’s pleiones. Twenty nine of his cultivars are now in the care of one or more new guardians. I did wonder, when it came to the crunch, how I’d feel about selling (some of) the family silver, but my only regret is not being able to fulfil more of the requests.
Some of the new guardians have been very accommodating/forgiving of my less than perfect administrative skills, but I think, in the end, everyone is reasonably happy.
In recognition of the Forum’s role in facilitating this plant distribution, I decided to investigate the ‘donate’ options shown at the top of the screen. I think the options are best explained by the ‘Support of the SRGC’ thread on the Galanthus pages.
Happy New Year!
Tim DH
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Tim, true to his word, has done exactly that and has made a generous donation to the SRGC.
I am so pleased to hear that Tim has been able to find new homes for the plants of his Father, of whom I have happy memories of exchanging letters and getting plants and good advice many , many years ago.
Your magnanimity in making this gesture of support for the SRGC is greatly appreciated, Tim, as are your kind words here. l
Thank you!
M
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Hi Folks,
Since the 2013 distribution of my father’s material (referred to in this thread) I’ve had a few enquiries about whether I might repeat the process.
I’ve decided to do the same thing again this year. I won’t be producing a new catalogue, I’m not offering anything new! These are all tried and tested varieties. I will produce an updated covering note about making requests.
It is my intention to collect requests up until Christmas… and post out the pseudobulbs early in the New Year.
Please contact me on axcx26ATdsl.pipex.com (only replace the AT with an @) for a copies of the catalogue and the covering note.
Tim DH