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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Michael on November 12, 2008, 05:49:01 PM
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Hello :)
I would like to know if there are any Galanthus that grow in more warmer areas, and that do not receive or need too much cold to grow. Any easy species?
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Hello :)
I would like to know if there are any Galanthus that grow in more warmer areas, and that do not receive or need too much cold to grow. Any easy species?
Michael - the Greek snowdrop G.reginae-olgae is the one to try - it seems to be quite an adaptable species (this species seems to grow very well in the mid/southern states of the USA for instance). Try and give it a site where its roots stay moist (not wet) during the summer dormancy period - perhaps by planting in between rocks.
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Michael,
I grow G. peshmenii [from Turkey] , very easily, it is in buds now, after a very long hot , dry summer
G. reginae-olgae from Greece should be OK too.
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Galanthus ikariae, from the Greek islands, might be worth trying for Spring.
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Galanthus fosteri does better in a pot under glass here and seems to appreciate a drier, warmer summer rest than other snowdrops. I don't know if it 'needs' a cold winter but it might be one to consider.
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@Michael - G.cilicicus, G.elwesii var. monostictus and G. gracilis also could work for you - even if I think in madeira it is still much warmer in winter (and wetter in summer) than here.
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How about Galanthus trojanus? ;)
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Thank you all.......
I guess more space is needed here now.... :-\ ;)
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MAny thanks, i am happy that i have a wide range to chose from! I must definitely try some of those species, if one doesnt cope well, others will most certainly succeed :D
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Lidl here in Continental Portugal is sometimes selling bulbs and they have sold something called G woronowi sorry for the wrong spelling.
I have bought it and the only thing to flower was some nice narcisus :o.
Edit in the link
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=300.msg10587#msg10587
Maybe You will be luckier but if You try be warned it can be what ever!
There should be a picture of the narcisus and the package somewhere here on the forum.
I will also think on these tips for galanthus. We have a colder winter and a warmer drier winter in Lisbon than Madeira.
Kind regards
Joakim
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hi Michael
if I remember I shall bring you a G.reginae-olgae 'Tilebarn Jamie' and a G. woronowii when I meet you in December ;)
regards
John
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Hi John!
Many thanks for the present, theyare lovely ;D . But is December a good time of the year to plant those galanthus? Isnt it too late?
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Hi Michael
I must admit that with the 'new way' of thinking that galanthus should be moved while dormant (which I totally agree with - much better to move them while they are asleep), that December would not seem the ideal time to move them. They will be 'in the green' - which is how they have been transfered for many years with not too many problems - so I think it will be fine. ;)
Whether or not they survive in Madeira's moist atmosphere is another question.....
But it will be interesting for you to give them a go and report back to us in the next few years. 8)
best wishes
John
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Yes i will definitely try them, and wont give up! I had great success with some hardies (Like platycodon) that i though they would simply perish with this humidity, but they are doing well!
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Some photos of G. peshmenii taken two days ago at a site near Kemer, SW Turkey.
They are in full bloom at the moment, growing mainly in leaf mould [ mostly pine] on lime stones.
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Oron
lovely pictures, they must have shot up into growth after I left. Did you get to see the Crocus nerimaniae?
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Oron
Did you get to see the Crocus nerimaniae?
Tony,
I have sent a photo a second ago to the Crocus section, thank you again ;)!!!!
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Some photos of G. peshmenii taken two days ago at a site near Kemer, SW Turkey
More great photo's Oron - I particularly liked the second photo.
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Seeing these in the wild must be amazing. Thank you for posting them Oron.
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Oron, this are great(!) Photos from the plants in their habitat!
This ones flower in the garden actually-
Galanthus elwesii var. monostictus and Galanthus cilicicus
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Oh Hans, drops with stripes and a lot of green inside. Proud flowers. Very fine cultivars for the autumn season.
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Thanks Hagen - I agree, I like them very much - I could grow much more of them - but unfortunately I just have just two of each.... :-\
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Yes they are super Hans, but before too long you will have more than two, that is one of the good things about snowdrops :D
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Thanks Hagen - I agree, I like them very much - I could grow much more of them - but unfortunately I just have just two of each.... :-\
Hey Hans,
Stunning species, I must say you are courageous, having two of each and plant them out in the garden ???
When i have so few plants of a rare species i grow it in a pot and if i could i would take them every where with me.... ;)
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Thanks Brian and Oron! :D
When i have so few plants of a rare species i grow it in a pot and if i could i would take them every where with me.... ;)
You are right - i have heard some would swap their grandmother for a rare galanthus. :o ::) ;)
But nevermind, they are very well protected and as a surplus I have very curious neighbours who note every movement in the neighbourhood.... 8) ;D
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i have heard some would swap their grandmother for a rare galanthus.
But nevermind, they are very well protected
...and that is how we should treat our grandmothers (and snowdrops too of course ;) )
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when I build my new raised beds all bulbs other than Crocus will be in the ground no matter how many I have. The Crocus will remain in pots
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Tony, Oron -where were you? When I was there, I saw only Galanthus but no Galanthophile.
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Hagen
it is good they were in flower for you. It is always a compromise on dates and I have been four times ,always late October and seen them on three, so not too bad.It seems to have rained after I left this year because Oron has also found them in flower and I have been back three weeks. Did you find the ones with the green bits on the puter petals that I showed on an earlier posting?
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Tony, I found the ones but I also found the others and all will enjoy you on your next trip to Turkey because there is their homeland. Did you have seen the pure whites???
Galanthus peshmenii green with green bits.
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Hagen, do they grow with you or is that a picture taken in the wild?
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Oh, dear.... they're rather sweet, aren't they? :-[
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Oh Maggi, hope your new outfit is only for today. If not Iwill only look to the galanthuspictures. Good that you show us your true colors in the other topic.
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Nahmd Arne, all pictures are taken from plants in the wild. These here also. Other faces of Galanthus peshmenii
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I've never imagined that there's such a variation in wild populations of peshmenii, very interesting,
Hope we can grow some of them here one day.
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Hagen, yes, I think one day will be enough!! It is Mark's fault for asking for a new picture!!
The full form of G. peshmenii Nr. 5 above, is lovely..... I am surprised by the variety......I am so pleased you gentlemen go travelling and then share your photos here, thank you.
Nr 4 will be excitng to the Galanthophiles, I expect.... this is rather yellow, is it not?
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Maggi, this year I found a lot of yellows. Sadly no real yellows. The marks went from green to yellow by absence of water. There was no rain for too long time. A lot of flowers only bloomed for a short time and dryed up.
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Maggi, this year I found a lot of yellows. Sadly no real yellows. The marks went from green to yellow by absence of water. There was no rain for too long time. A lot of flowers only bloomed for a short time and dryed up.
Interesting..... does this mean that many of the "yellow" types in cultivation may only be yellow when they are under stress of some kind? Is this why they are often green when replanted... they have good new soil and other conditons so they return to green?
Opinions, snowdrop growers, please?
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Maggi, you're getting addicted to snowdrops. ;D
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Maggi
I understand that Lady Elphinstone can sulk for a year and flower green, before returning to a lovely yellow/apricot. Not aware any of the other yellows do this. :)
Please please return your normal avatar soonest :o
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Arne, not addicted.... merely interested!! ;)
Arthur, I can refuse you nothing...... :-*
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Of course, Maggi. ;)
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Great photos Hagen and Tony, wonderful to see them in their habitat. You are right Maggi, No 4 is certainly very attractive, but I like it for the shape of the flower and the mark ;D, and I love the ones with green on the outside. (and the full ones......)
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Hagen, yes, I think one day will be enough!! It is Mark's fault for asking for a new picture!!
Did I miss something? Will there be a repeat performance?
Great pics of the 'drops in the wild. Loving the little fat one. Of the ones with green outers - I think I prefer the one with the mark one third of the way up each petal rather than the tips.
John
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We all share our joy for nice small autumn drops. A good moment. Thank you. Here is the "yellow" one, I told Maggi. But also in the green, it has an elegant flower, other then the formers. (It`s not BLONDE INGE ;))
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Tony and Hagen, thanks a lot for this superb photos of this fine species. :D
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Oh my! :o
Absolutelly stunning pictures! Those G. peshmenii kinda reminds me of another beloved plant of mine, Stanhopea ecornuta. I find it highly distinct from other snowdrops, and it is one step closer of being my fav. species of galanthus so far! :)
Oh and by the way, the taxonomy of Galanthus is mainly based upon what kind of characteristics ??? I am far of being an expert on this area, but to me, all flowers look tremendously similar, mostly green and white, nodding, the outter whorl being bigger than the inner whorl of tepals, and they mostly open in angle... And the variation that G. peshmenii can achieve in the wild is making me confused even more, they look sooo distinct! I already tried to identify some species by picture, but it gets virtually impossible. Could someone help me with this?
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Oh and by the way, the taxonomy of Galanthus is mainly based upon what kind of characteristics ??? I am far of being an expert on this area, but to me, all flowers look tremendously similar, mostly green and white, nodding, the outter whorl being bigger than the inner whorl of tepals, and they mostly open in angle... And the variation that G. peshmenii can achieve in the wild is making me confused even more, they look sooo distinct! I already tried to identify some species by picture, but it gets virtually impossible. Could someone help me with this?
That's a big question, Michael! The short answer is that the division of galanthus into species is mainly based on the leaves - the vernation (whether they are flat and pressed together at the base, wrapped around each other at the base, or rolled back at the edges when they first appear) plus leave colour (dark green, light green, greyish, striped) and one or two other minor features. This is backed up by chromosomal studies that confirm the distinctions between the species based on the leaves. The flowers are all, as you say, fairly similar in their basic morphology. It is difficult to see the differences when you first start looking at galanthus, but the more you study them the better you get at it.
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Hagen,
Very nice photographs, excellent plants.
Paddy
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It`s our appointment(? hope this is the right word), our way together Paddy. We are galanthophile. No borders, no religious wars. We can divide our joy. One thing I haven´t shown. The white G. peshmenii. Here it is
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What a super series of photo's you have posted Hagen - I had not realised how diverse this species was - well done :D
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Another wonderful snowdrop Hagen, thanks for showing it to us.
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Hagen,
The white G. peshmenii is outstanding, really beautiiful.
Paddy
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On my way through the world of G. peshmenii I also met some Leprechnauns. Hope, Paddy can tell us much more about these creatures, because they are Irish.
Here is a real dwarf (notice my fingers).
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Some more Leprechnauns.
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Chris, Brian, Paddy - G. peshmenii are wonderfull. You can find so much varieties like in G. nivalis. Some look like G reginae-olgae. Before my visits I thought that I know the typus of G. peshmenii. But now I`m confused. If you want, I will show you pictures of G. p. they look like G reginae olgae. To define the species, we need a genetic fingerprint, the optical aspect isn`t enough. This constellation is a problem for me.
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I'm going to sit in a darkened room. I used to be perfectly contented with my clump of snowdrops, then I came down with the fever. Named peshmenii varieties.....with green tipped outers! :o I can't cope. Help!!!! ::)
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Here is a real dwarf (notice my fingers).
What a smashing snowdrop this is - thanks for posting :)
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They get better and better Hagen. That cheers up a cold winter night 8)
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If you want, I will show you pictures of G. p. they look like G reginae olgae.
Yes please Hagen ::)
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Hagen,
These are wonderful plants, great variations which is confusing, as you say, but interesting nonetheless. The Irish G. peshmenii is, of course, particularly beautiful.
Are these all in the wild? If so, did you manage to get back to collect seed later?
If you have more photographs please do post them.
Paddy
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Some more Leprechnauns.
schöne Galanthus ;)
aicha
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These wild forms are truly enchanting.... so they MUST really be Leprechauns, I guess??!! ;) ::)
I find these flowers so appealing.... much more so than the many others we see only in pots.... is it because these are nature's changes while the ones in pots seem often to be more "man-made" varieties.... or, shall we say "man-named" varieties... these wildlings show a charming diversity.... I suppose if they came to cultivation there would be a rash of new names and a stampede to acquire them... ::)
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Paddy, I had a good time in the realm of the Leprechnauns. They were friendly to me, so I hope, I can come back if I want. But the date is open.
Maggi, not only the drops have a magic, the realm has it too.
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Why, yes, Hagen, you are quite right.... a fine place 8)
I see the cyclamen leaves.... what flowers will there be in this place in spring and summer?
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Hagen,
Fabulous!
Paddy
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Chris, here are two good and bigger groups. Have also a look to the leaves. They bloom with leaves.
Galanthus peshmenii
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Normal in colors but very big for a G. peshmenii. The outer petals were 3,5cm long.
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Chris, here are two good and bigger groups. Have also a look to the leaves. They bloom with leaves.
Hagen - these photo's, and the other photo's that you have been posting over the last few days, have made me revise my opinion of this species - I had no idea of the diversity of form - many thanks for posting
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Amazing how that clump above is growing out from under the rock, presumably the cooler conditions under the rock better suit the bulbs.
Wonderful series of photographs, Hagen, and it certainly shows the range of variation which arises in a wild population.
Paddy
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Please Paddy, tell us a little bit about Leprechnauns. They only live in Ireland (and Turkey too). Here in Germany nobody knows something about these creatures.
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Thanks Hagen
what a wondeful series of photographs you have posted of some lovely looking snowdrops. Did you make all these exciting discoveries on one day or did you end up with an aching back from searching for days.
Thank you for showing the pictures to us.
kind regards
John
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Please Paddy, tell us a little bit about Leprechnauns. They only live in Ireland (and Turkey too). Here in Germany nobody knows something about these creatures.
Hi Hagen,
Please imagine Mick Hucknall with the voice of Sigur Ros and the dress sense of our Bulb Despot! Only joking Ian!! ;D ;D ;D
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I suppose if they came to cultivation there would be a rash of new names and a stampede to acquire them...
and how Maggi!
They only live in Ireland (and Turkey too).
Hagen have you thought that the Turkish leprechauns might be the Irish on holiday? ;D
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utterly butterly, Sigur Ros is good, but Capercaillie is better. ;)
Brian, do you know, how a Turkish dwarf looks like??? ;D
Leppercorns is my collective term for very small Galanthus peshmenii.
Hope our galanthophile world is full of fantasies with a dash of botanic.
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John, I needed two years prearrangement and then only 10 day for searching a lot of populations.
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This Forum makes me very busy.... for now I must search about Sigur Ros ...... Ian says he knows, but I must search.... ???
Hagen, I love the idea of these Leppercorns.... it is this joyous delight and humour for the plants which makes this forum so special for me...... only here could I spend time with such people ....... 8)
So, I discover that Sigur Ros is an Icelandic band .......I must be falling behind to have Ian know this band before me..... and very good they are too....fine Leppercorn music indeed ......very melodious to the ears of this ageing folk music devotee!
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So glad you like them Maggi ...
They are unassuming and addictive ... a bit like buttercups!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yjurf5d6X0&feature=related
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John, I needed two years prearrangement and then only 10 day for searching a lot of populations.
Hagen
it was worth all the planning - I find myself looking at your photographs again and again.
many thanks
John