Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: mark smyth on October 25, 2008, 09:42:59 PM
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Roger Harvey's snowdrop days are February 1st and 2nd
Rosemoor on Feb 7th
Ashwood Nursery on the 8th
Jenny Homewood's Cottage Garden Society Snowdrop Group at Cerney House garden near Cirencester 21st
Cambo Estate is on the 21st Edit: by Maggi No it's the 22nd!!
Dutch Gala on 21st - Wolfheze near Arnhem
Gunther Waldorf's Galanthus event - 28th and March 1st
Choices, choices, choices!
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The Special Snowdrop day at Cambo Estate is on the Sunday 22nd February, the day after the SRGC early Bulb Day !
See here for details of Cambo Snowdrop events: http://www.camboestate.com/SNOWDROPS/Snowdrop-Events.aspx
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Who is Roger Harvey please?
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Roger Harvey runs Harveys Garden Plants near Bury St Edmunds. He made his name with Hellebores and through the NCCPG helped with collecting and propagating Suffolk snowdrops if I remember rightly. He also sells them.
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Thanks Brian. Bury St Edmunds not too far for you!
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Sorry Maggi I meant to add the RBGE event but went down to watch X Factor. I'll tell my contact about the Cambo mistake
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There is a special Snowdrop Coference at the Royal Botanic Gardens, Edinburgh next February....... see this page for details:
SNOWDROP Conference AT RBGE 20th February 2009
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2597.0
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Mark, is there no Snowdrop event at East Lambrook next year please?
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David, look at my comment about East Lambrook and the new owners in the page mentioned above..... the web page is listed in that thread, too.......http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2597.0
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Thanks Maggi, nothing on the East Lambrook Web Site about events next year though.
Edit by Maggi: that was the point I made in the other thread... new owners, probably not fully decided what they want to do yet.
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Dutch Gala on 21st - Wolfheze near Arnhem
There is also the Snowdrop Gala, being held on 14th & 15th February 2009, at Zaandam, Holland which, for the 2nd year, is being organised by Gerard Oud - see http://www.sneeuwklokjes.info/index_gb.html for full details.
I would also like to add that Michael Baron has 3 Open Days - 4th, 7th & 8th February 2009 - when his National Collection will be on show - see http://www.brandymount.co.uk/ for full details
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Thank you Chris!
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Glen Chantry will be open on the afternoons of Friday 6th and Saturday 7th February 2009 from 1.30pm through to 3.30pm. You can book though the RHS and costs £7.95 for RHS members and £9.95 for non-RHS members.
The event summary as per the RHS website is as follows: Glen Chantry has a collection of several hundred of snowdrops grown in clumps, which is well known to keen enthusiasts. These special snowdrops are associated with a wide range of other plants to create a colourful winter garden. Special snowdrops will be on sale at this event.
I have posted a link below to the information page relating to the Friday afternoon event just in case you are tempted. I see that there are only 30 places available for the day so I guess it is best not to hang around if you want to go.
www.rhs.org.uk/RHSEventfinder/details.aspx?Id=5632
David
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Hopefully I'm allowed to post the invitation for Günter Walldorf's Galanthus Gala on Feb 28th and 1st of March 2009:
Schneeglöckchentage 2009 in Nettetal
Am 28. Februar und 1. März von 10.00 bis 17.00 Uhr
Oirlicher-Blumengarten und Cafe Künstler laden ein
41334 Nettetal-Hinsbeck Oirlich 9
Nettetal. Am 28. Februar und 1. März 2009 finden in Nettetal die 3. Schneeglöckchentage statt. Als größte Veranstaltung dieser Art in Deutschland haben sich die Schneeglöckchentage inzwischen auch international einen Namen gemacht. Das Sammeln von Schneeglöckchen (Galanthus), von denen es inzwischen mehrere Hundert verschiedene Sorten gibt, erfreut sich nicht nur hierzulande wachsender Beliebtheit. Ursprünglich stammt die seltene Leidenschaft aus dem garten- und pflanzenbegeisterten England. Günter Waldorf, Initiator der Schneeglöckchentage, hat in seiner Sammlung allein 280 Sorten. Der Garten kann während der Veranstaltung besichtigt werden. Handverlesene Aussteller aus dem In- und Ausland bieten neben Schneeglöckchen auch andere Zwiebelblumen, Stauden- und Gehölzraritäten an. Die persönliche Atmosphäre und der ungezwungene fachliche Austausch machen die Schneeglöckchentage auch 2009 zu einem ersten Highlight im Garten-Terminkalender.
Interessant ist für Sammler auch das Internetportal www.galanthus-online.de, das rund um die kostbaren kleinen Zwiebelpflanzen viele Informationen und Sortenbeschreibungen mit Bildern bietet.
www.oirlicher-blumengarten.de
Mit freundlichen Grüßen !
Günter Waldorf
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Thomas what does his invitation say?
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What about the one in the Midlands on the 14th Feb Mark? Ah. I see that it's not an event, it's a gala. ;D
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It says come to the great snowdrop gala day, Mark!!
Follow this long link ( it should show as live, so just click on it) to get a google-translated-to-English page..... you'll get the drift and also see the number of fine exhibitors who are planning to be there.... 8)
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.oirlicher-blumengarten.de/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dwww.oirlicher-blumengarten.de%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG
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Thomas what does his invitation say?
Maggi Google made a short but adapted translation, Mark.
I've tried to make a more detailed one - hope this helps the non-Germans:
On February 28th and March 1st from 10am to 5pm the 3rd Snowdropdays take place in Nettetal. As the biggest snowdrop event in Germany it has also found international acception. Collecting Galanthus, from which several hundred cultivars are in trade, is not only a national popularity. This passion origins from plant-enthusiastic English gardens.Günter Waldorf, Initiator of the Snowdropdays, has 280 species and cultivars in his collection. His garden can be visited during the exhibition. Handpicked exhibitors from Germany and abroad offer Galanthus and also other bulbous plants, perennials and groves. The personal atmosphere and the unforced, professional exchange of information will make the snowdropdays 2009 to the first highlight in the garden-calendar.
Also interesting for enthusiasts is the website : www.galanthus-online.de offering many informations, descriptions and photos around the precious little bulbs.
www.oirlicher-blumengarten.de
Best wishes
Günter Waldorf
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Excellent, Thomas, I am so pleased that you can translate better than the automatic google version!! :-*
Welcome home, by the way!! :D
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The Ryanair seat sale is back on especially for the snowdrop season. Seats are £2 return, no taxes, plus charge for credit cards making it about £8 return. For their routes see here
http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/dests.php?flash=chk&culture=GB&pos=HEAD (http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/dests.php?flash=chk&culture=GB&pos=HEAD)
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Well that offer didn't stay on for long :'(
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Of course, the one Galanthus Event not mentioned on this topic is the Galanthus Gala, organised by Joe Sharman. The reason it is not mentioned is because it has its own topic, http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2603.0 , but a newcomer to the strange world of snowdrops might not spot this, so I thought I would mention it here for the sake of completeness.
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Thanks Alan.
The last Sunday in February is Margaret Owen's garden open for MS
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MS.... I assume to be shorthand for a Multiple Sclerosis charity?
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Yes. She 'gives away' snowdrops out of the garden and raises a lot of money each February.
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Thomas what does his invitation say?
Maggi Google made a short but adapted translation, Mark.
I've tried to make a more detailed one - hope this helps the non-Germans:
On February 28th and March 1st from 10am to 5pm the 3rd Snowdropdays take place in Nettetal. As the biggest snowdrop event in Germany it has also found international acception. Collecting Galanthus, from which several hundred cultivars are in trade, is not only a national popularity. This passion origins from plant-enthusiastic English gardens.Günter Waldorf, Initiator of the Snowdropdays, has 280 species and cultivars in his collection. His garden can be visited during the exhibition. Handpicked exhibitors from Germany and abroad offer Galanthus and also other bulbous plants, perennials and groves. The personal atmosphere and the unforced, professional exchange of information will make the snowdropdays 2009 to the first highlight in the garden-calendar.
Also interesting for enthusiasts is the website : www.galanthus-online.de offering many informations, descriptions and photos around the precious little bulbs.
www.oirlicher-blumengarten.de
Best wishes
Günter Waldorf
Today I had a phonecall with Günther Waldorf and he asked me to send the following message:
If you have a look at www.galanthus-online.de and here click 'cultivars', you will see that there are a lot of plants without an image. He is very much interested in photos of these plants . So please, if there is any help you can give to him reply here or pm me (Gerd).
Gerd
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Hello Gerd,
I have sent you a PM.
Cheers,
David
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Thank you very much David! I'll inform Günter Waldorf.
Gerd
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Thank you very much David! I'll inform Günter Waldorf.
Gerd
Also thanks to Brian Ellis for his kind help!
Gerd
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Here is something for the German forum members and lurkers.
Galantour 2009 Programme
(subject to change)
Friday, 13 February 2009
Early morning departure from Siegburg, ICE-Station (near Bonn)
Afternoon: Visit to a very nice private garden near Maidstone with about 170 different snowdrops. Tea and coffee served.
Evening: After dinner get-together and official welcome.
Saturday, 14 February 2009
Galanthus Gala: 9.30 – 10.00am: Reception with tea, coffee and biscuits.
10.00 – 12.00am: Introduction and a series of short talks by
Melvyn Jope: Galanthus reginae-olgae in Corfu, a look at variations present in G. reginae-olgae in Cor¬fu
Bryan Hewitt: E.A. Bowles, a life
Joe Sharman: Snowdrops at Myddelton House, from Bowles’ time to the present day
Richard Hobbs: Norfolk’s Finest, following on from his talk about Mr. Greatorex this is a look at some of the other varieties from Norfolk.
12.00 – 1.00pm: Sale of plants, from many of the leading snowdrop nurseries.
From 1.00pm: Lunch at the school
2.00 – 5.00pm: Visit to Myddelton House Gardens, Enfield. This was the garden of the famous plantsman E.A. Bowles, which, since his death has been cared for by many gardeners and is part of Lea Valley Regional Park. The snowdrops planted by Mr. Bowles have survived and spread and more recently some very interesting varieties have arisen there. Some areas will not be open.
Sunday, 15 February 2009
Morning: Visit to Beth Chatto’s Gardens. This garden of the famous garden designer and plant expert is a real winter garden, especially the woodland garden. The attached nursery offers a good range of high-quality plants for all tastes, and prices are reasonable considering the quality.
Afternoon: Visit to a collector’s garden with many spring bulbs and drifts of rare snowdrops. Tea, coffee and biscuits.
Monday, 16 February 2009:
Morning: Visit of Anglesey Abbey and its dramatic winter-walk. It includes special plants which have been specifically brought together because of their winter appeal and a low-level snowdrop walk which is generally not open to the public.
Afternoon: Visit to Cambridge Botanical Garden with its many naturalized spring bulbs. The famous Winter Garden is a garden with special plants, arranged and combined for their specific winter effect to be as beautiful or even more beautiful in the depths of winter as any other part of the Garden would be in summer.
Tuesday, 17 February 2009
Morning: Visit to RHS Spring Show in London with the opportunity to buy plants, books, arts, crafts etc. At this well-attended flower show you will meet experts and passionate collectors talking shop. Nurseries will be exhibiting their elaborately-designed stands, and prizes will be awarded for the best-presented rare plants.
Afternoon: Visit to Benington Lordship, an English Landscape Garden which also has much to offer in the winter. The manor was build around 1700. Impressive drifts of naturalized snowdrops form the start of a snowdrop collection. The head gardener will give us a guided tour.
Evening: Talk by Joe Sharman on snowdrops.
Wednesday, 18 February 2009
Departure after breakfast.
Cost: 888.00 €
This includes:
- Travel for 35 persons in a modern long-distance coach, including ferry
Calais-Dover-Calais.
- 5 nights in a double-room or a room with twin beds in the 4-star**** Tewin Bury Farm Hotel near Welwyn (http://www.tewinbury.co.uk/). Breakfast and evening meal are included.
Single-room supplement 225.00 €.
- The tour will be led by the plant expert Michael Dreisvogt, head of the Arboretum Park Haerle near Bonn (www.arboretum-haerle.de).
Extensive travelling library available.
Look under http://www.iris-ney.de/35/Aktuelles/Galanthour_2009.htm to find the whole programme in German and some pictures taken by myself last February in some of the gardens we are going to visit on our tour:
Please send your applications by 31st December 2008 to:
Iris Ney
Buechelstraße 40
53227 Bonn
gartenerhaltung@iris-ney.de
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Someone called Mark Smyth has been asked to give a lecture at the Cottage Garden Society snowdrop day on February 21st.
I hear there are many events this year that clash with other events as people try to catch those suffering with White Fever. It's happening over here and in Europe
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Who? ;D
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I don't know either. He could be c**p!
I just heard he's appearing twice at Harvey's Garden Plants on the 2nd and 3rd of February. He gets around like a rash.
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Mark, do you have a contact for getting tickets? It's very near to me. I lost contact with the CGS snowdrop group a few years ago when it was run by Daphne Chappell.
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I thought that Smyth fellow was due to be in Scotland at that time????? RBGE conference etc?
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well .... £ ;D £ ;D
The flyer only went to the printer this week. I'll let you know. Jenny will be at the Gala, I think
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Colesbourne Open Days
31 January/1 February
every Saturday and Sunday in February
Sunday 1 March
Gates open 1pm, last entry 4 pm
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I don't know either. He could be c**p!
I just heard he's appearing twice at Harvey's Garden Plants on the 2nd and 3rd of February. He gets around like a rash.
D'you think he's a clone?
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For the people on the forum who live in Belgium or the neighbouring countries:
On the 24th and the 25th of January and the 7th and 8th of February there are snowdrop weekends with guided walks in the winter garden at Cathy Portier's nursery near Bruges.
Site: http://www.alpenplanten.be/
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Folks
Someone mentioned to me that Margaret Owen (no relation) opened her garden for charity and that the drops are well worth seeing. Have I got that right, if so are any dates known/do I need to make contact with her, and (rather important) where is her garden located? Anywhere near Ashwood Nursery?
Any advice appreciated.
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Maggie
I guess maybe you monitor these discussion threads - there haven't been any responses to my last post re Margaret Owen and Ashwood Nursery (if I've got the name right), is that because no-one knows the answers? Comment appreciated.
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Mark will know Steve as he has been there before.
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Margaret's garden is open on Sunday February 22nd and is well worth seeing. The barn has snowdrop sales, cakes, soup tea and coffee. All money raised goes to MS - me. Only joking.
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I've been going 7 years now to help.
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You still haven't said where it is Mark!
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You still haven't said where it is Mark!
It's in her garden. ::) ;) ;D
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Oh that's where it is! ::)
It's also 27.1 miles North west of Ashwoods Steve 8)
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Thats because there is nothing more that I hate than when you are trying to take a photo of a lovely snowdrops while on my knees when ..
1. someone knocks you over
2. they block the light
3. they ask what it is, is it for sale today ..
The garden is in Acton Pigot and there will be many signs up pointing the way.
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Do take enough time off from your duties this time Mark to take a good look round the garden and don't forget to seek out the Flocon Du Neige.
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John I can see the little group in my minds eye
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Maggie
I guess maybe you monitor these discussion threads - there haven't been any responses to my last post re Margaret Owen and Ashwood Nursery (if I've got the name right), is that because no-one knows the answers? Comment appreciated.
My apologies, Steve.... my geography is awful and I had no idea where Margaret Owen's garden was anyway so I couldn't help you.... I had hoped that all these snowdrop fiends would have replied sooner to you.... and more succinctly! :(
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:D
Thanks guys. I recall a TV programme about the Ark of the Covenant being in a rock-hewn church in Ethiopia (maybe - only one elderly guardian priest knows for sure. Not that I am alleging Mark is an elderly Ethiopian priest ). Can anyone turn up at Acton Pigott or do I need to roll one trouser leg up and practice dodgy handshakes?
(Maggie - apologies if I am sailing close to the SRGC wind!).
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Well, Steve, I can see why you are more Biggles than Francis Drake if you would even contemplate sailing close to the wind while rolling up your trouser leg and shaking hands.... whether in a fashion dodgy or otherwise.........as an outsider, viewing the "life" of these galanthophiles, frankly nothing would surprise me, but while ye olde country houses that many of these snowdrop events are held at have benefitted greatly from the masonic skills in the past, I am not aware of that connection nowadays......not that I WOULD know, even if it were the case......not getting very far forward here, are we? :-\
Look,: Mark, or Brian or somebody with a modicum of knowledge of these events and the layout of English counties.... will SOMEONE please, for Steve and for anyone else reading these pages and wondering where the blazes these houses are and whether or not "they" may attend.... can we have some easy location and attendance info????? Thank you!
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The garden is in Acton Pigot near Shrewsbury and there will be many signs up pointing the way. Anyone can attend. There is an entrance fee.
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Harvey's Garden Plants Snowdrop Day
Monday 2 February 2008 10.00am – 4.00pm
‘White Fever’
A lecture by Mark Smyth from Northern Ireland, followed by lunch in The Orchard Room and a private visit to the snowdrop collection at Anglesey Abbey.
Tuesday 3 February 10.00am—4.00pm
‘What the Future holds’
A lecture by Mark Smyth about new drops, followed by lunch in The Orchard Room and a private visit
to ’Chestnuts,’ the wonderful early bulb garden of Rod & Jane Leeds
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Harvey's Garden Plants Snowdrop Day
Monday 2 February 2008 10.00am – 4.00pm
‘White Fever’
A lecture by Mark Smyth from Northern Ireland, followed by lunch in The Orchard Room and a private visit to the snowdrop collection at Anglesey Abbey.
Tuesday 3 February 10.00am—4.00pm
‘What the Future holds’
A lecture by Mark Smyth about new drops, followed by lunch in The Orchard Room and a private visit
to ’Chestnuts,’ the wonderful early bulb garden of Rod & Jane Leeds
I will not comment about the speaker but I would like to visit 'Chestnuts'. What are the contact details etc?
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I would like to visit 'Chestnuts'.
Very sensible Alan, seeing Rod and Jane Leeds snowdrops started me off! Super garden at any time of the year but especially in February ;D
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I will not comment about the speaker
OOh! Not the "speaker", rather, the "lecturer".... ::)..... I must say I do tend to think that anyone who "lectures" should really be doing it in an academic institution , to students, who will, in due course, sit an exam of some kind..... otherwise, I prefer "speaker"... altogether less "uppity", methinks..... Are you listening, Mark?? ;D
I have not had the pleasure to vist The garden of Jane and Rod, but Ian has and declares it to be a delight. 8)
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Not my wording
Full details here
http://www.harveysgardenplants.co.uk/Talks.asp#snowdrop (http://www.harveysgardenplants.co.uk/Talks.asp#snowdrop)
http://www.harveysgardenplants.co.uk/Talks.asp#snowdrop2 (http://www.harveysgardenplants.co.uk/Talks.asp#snowdrop2)
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I've been to the Leed's garden twice, February and August, and is is worth seeing.
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I've been to the Leeds' garden twice, February and August, and is is worth seeing.
You certainly get about a bit Mark. 8)
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Stumbling across this thread (as one does) I noticed a mention of snowdrops at Brandy Mount.
The owner sent me one of his cards recently which I thought you might appreciate,(painted by him).
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That's an excellent painting. I didnt know Michael can paint. That's as good as John Morley's paintings
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The owner sent me one of his cards recently which I thought you might appreciate,(painted by him).
That is a nice painting. They certainly need repotting, I can see at least 4 different plants ;D ;D
Anyone care to have a go at naming them??
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Anthony that's because I take advantage of all Ryanair offers. If they announce tomorrow all fares are £2 each way and no other charges I'll make a few phone calls and go to England for the day
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Anthony that's because I take advantage of all Ryanair offers. If they announce tomorrow all fares are £2 each way and no other charges I'll make a few phone calls and go to England for the day
Oh to be young free and single. ::)
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Would your wife not allow you to go away for the afternoon without her? You can lie and say I have to go to school to prepare questions for an exam.
Diane, I think the lowest painting is either 'Maidwell L' or 'Edinburgh Ketton'. The one above it could be 'Mrs Thompson' because the ovary is wrong for a double snowdrop. 'Mrs T.' has a split personality
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That was a real treat for you, Giles, good of you to share with us.... very attractive painting indeed.....I can feel the atmosphere in the potting shed!
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Anthony that's because I take advantage of all Ryanair offers. If they announce tomorrow all fares are £2 each way and no other charges I'll make a few phone calls and go to England for the day
Oh to be young free and single. ::)
I'll settle for 'young'
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The cheap offers from Ryanair enable two or more to travel. You dont need to be single it just helps.
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It was mentioned on another thread that someone already had their tickets for the snowdrop gala. Has anyone else already received their tickets? I haven't had mine yet.
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It was mentioned on another thread that someone already had their tickets for the snowdrop gala. Has anyone else already received their tickets? I haven't had mine yet.
My ticket for the Galanthus Gala came in the post between Xmas and the New Year.
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I dont know because someone else paid for mine but I'll find out today
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Yes Martin, I had mine some while ago. Hope yours are on the way. I checked my bank statement to see if the money had been taken before they arrived.
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I have tried to edit Mark's original post by adding details of the other venues subsequently mentioned in this thread. Please forgive (or correct) any mistakes or ommissions.
UK
Colesbourn Open Days, Every Sat. & Sun. from 31st Jan. to 1st March
Roger Harvey's snowdrop days are February 1st and 2nd
Brandy Mount House Alresford, National Snowdrop Collection open on 4th, 7th & 8th February
Rosemoor on Feb 7th
Ashwood Nursery on the 8th
Galanthus Gala, Hatfield, Herts on the 14th
Snowdrop Conference at Royal Botanic Gardens, Edinburgh, Feb 20th
Jenny Homewood's Cottage Garden Society Snowdrop Group at Cerney House garden near Cirencester 21st
Cambo Estate on the 22nd!!
Margaret Owen, Open Snowdrop Garden, Acton Pigot near Shrewsbury, 22nd Feb.
Europe
Snowdrop Gala, Zaandam, Holland 14th & 15th Feb.
Snowdrop Weeekend, Cathy Portier’s Nursery near Bruge, 14th & 15th
Dutch Gala on 21st - Wolfheze near Arnhem
Gunther Waldorf's Galanthus event, Nettatal, Germany - 28th Feb. and March 1st
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To all snowdropaholics, please remember that Rod Leeds will be the speaker at the Snowdrop gala in the RBGE on friday 20th feb and he will also be speaker at The Dunblane show SRGC on Sat 21st Feb, he will be speaking about Snowdrops no need to fly south just come to Scotland, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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My Gala ticket also arrived some time back Martin.
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Yes Martin, I had mine some while ago. Hope yours are on the way. I checked my bank statement to see if the money had been taken before they arrived.
Thanks Brian. Just checked my bank statements and the cheque was cashed, so I'm paid up even if the ticket got lost in the mail.
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Thanks Alan , all those events give me some leeway. I am tempted to check for flights. They won't be £2-ers however.
johnw
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Hello, I am in Newbury and our local nursery foxgrove plants has very fine snowdrops. They are having an event in early February. I can also highly recommend Brandy Mount as all the snowdrops I have had from there have done well.
I have had to dig the whole lot up last year from my small town patio garden in central newbury as the neighbours were putting up an extension and it appears that a lot have buds on. Unfortunately quite a few of the expensive ones I have had over the years seem to have disappeared. The soil here is very well drained alluvial silt -apparently and gets a lot of sun in summer . do I need to add a thick mulch to cool the soil in summer. I am missing 3 ships, benhall beauty, margery brown, richard ayres and many others that vanished the year after planting. Comet , ketton, curly, earliest of all, john gray are all doing very well any clues, please?
This forum seems to be very knowledgeable and I am hoping to gain many useful tips.
I have a very small digital camera, which has gone AWOL completely over christmas, and which does not take good "snowdrop " pictures. What do you all recommend to take clear photos ?
Thanking you in anticipation
Wendy
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There is a snowdrop-specific type of botrytis (the furry grey mould) that could have killed your bulbs over the summer if they got it late last season.
Leaf scorch (Stagonospora) seems to be on the rise but you might have noticed unusual marks on the leaves last season if the bulbs have died over the summer.
Slugs and snails can be a problem in mild weather and will eat snowdrop flower buds as the emerge from the ground. I have seen bulbs with large chunks eaten out of them (but which survived and recovered over the next several years).
In your position I would wait another month or so and if nothing appears then try to excavate where one of the missing clumps was to see if there is any sign of the bulbs. But be careful what you do with the soil as you do not want to spread any disease there might have been.
On the subject of digital photography, I find the macro feature on my (Nikon) digital camera very useful for taking snowdrops but the autofocus is a real pain because it much prefers to focus on the background than on the large expanse of white that is a snowdrop flower close-up.
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Yes Martin, I had mine some while ago. Hope yours are on the way. I checked my bank statement to see if the money had been taken before they arrived.
Thanks Brian. Just checked my bank statements and the cheque was cashed, so I'm paid up even if the ticket got lost in the mail.
Martin - After his recent rash of orders I don't think Brian will be receiving any more bank statements.
johnw
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I hope not John it will be too much of a shock :-[
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I hope not John it will be too much of a shock :-[
;D
johnw
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Two additional places Alan did not mention well worth a visit are:-
The National Trust garden at Anglesey Abbey in Cambridgeshire where to get access to the Special Galanthus Collection one must ask at the entrance ticket desk for a (free) snowdrop guided tour ticket. Only a few of these tickets are available each day so it's best to get there just before opening time to make sure of one. Please refer to http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-events-find_event.htm?propertyID=36 for times and dates and more info.
The other garden is a woodland garden, Evenley Wood Garden at Evenley Northamptonshire near Brackley. This is run by Tim Whiteley who I believe supplies some of the Galanthus trade outlets. I had the following email from Tim today about the 2009 snowdrop open weekends (Dear John We are opening for two weekends for snowdrops this year Fri.13th.Feb----Sun.15th and Fri.20th----Sun.22.11.00--4.30pm). The garden web site has a list of snowdrops to be found in the gardens and the clumps are well labeled. To digress a little this garden is also interesting in that the soil in one area is alkaline and the rest acidic.
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Two additional places Alan did not mention well worth a visit are:-
The National Trust garden at Anglesey Abbey in Cambridgeshire where to get access to the Special Galanthus Collection one must ask at the entrance ticket desk for a (free) snowdrop guided tour ticket. Only a few of these tickets are available each day so it's best to get there just before opening time to make sure of one. Please refer to http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-events-find_event.htm?propertyID=36 for times and dates and more info.
More on Anglesey Abbey (which is not far away from me). Their snowdrop season runs from 21st January to 22nd February, according to the notices on display at the property (although these dates might alter if the snowdrop season were affected by a prolonged spell of cold or mild weather). The free tours of their Special Galanthus Collection start at 2:00 pm on Wednesdays, Thursdays and Fridays. They do not run at weekends and I did not think they ran on Tuesdays (although the information online implies otherwise). The property is closed on Mondays. You certainly need to arrive early to be sure of getting a ticket, particularly if the weather is good. Getting there "just before opening time" is probably earlier than necessary. It seems there are up to 50 places on each tour. I did not mention Anglesey Abbey because it is not an "event" but I do consider it well worth a visit.
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"Hello Mark,
We’re a botanical garden in Belgium, close by the border with the Netherlands, and I have visited your site www.snowdropinfo.com (http://www.snowdropinfo.com) several times.
For the first time we organize a Galanthus Gala in our garden on the 14th of February 2009. There will be some lectures, a little market and an exposition ‘The Snow Drop Show’. Here in Belgium this is very unique because Galanthopilia is not so common (yet) as it is in Brittan. We hope that with our initiative we well reach lots of galanthopiles and that it will grow into a unique journey. We don’t have that much Galanthus in our own collection yet, but the exposition and lectures will compensate that (I hope so). We do have a world famous Hamamelis collection, which is quit interesting.
Your site is clear, interesting and it has been useful for me because I’m not a galanthopile at all, so I had to start learning from the beginning because I had the assignment of setting up this event.
Keep up the good work!"
Well spotted Luc
Arboretum Kalmthout
http://www.provant.be/vrije_tijd/domeinen/arboretum_kalmthout/?redir=http://www.arboretumkalmthout.be/
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Interesting Mark, that I am on Harvey's postal list and have only just this morning received news of the snowdrop days. It might be worth mentioning to him that he ought to be quicker off the mark next year!
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Hello Mark,
We’re a botanical garden in Belgium, close by the border with the Netherlands, and I have visited your site www.snowdropinfo.com (http://www.snowdropinfo.com) several times.
Mark,
Who did this come from ??
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Well spotted Luc
Arboretum Kalmthout
http://www.provant.be/vrije_tijd/domeinen/arboretum_kalmthout/?redir=http://www.arboretumkalmthout.be/ (http://www.provant.be/vrije_tijd/domeinen/arboretum_kalmthout/?redir=http://www.arboretumkalmthout.be/)
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Always vigilant Mark.. ;D ;D
Thanks !
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The speakers are Valentine Wijnen, Johan Mens and Stefan Vidts
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Definitely worth getting up for. :)
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Contact details for the Cottage garden Society Snowdrop Group event in Cerny Glouscestershire on February 21st are
Jenny Homewood, CGS Snowdrop Group, Acorn Cottage, Bird in Eye Hill, Framfield, Sussex TN22 5HA
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Mark
I know this sounds a damn silly question buit how do you take your super snowdrop pics, particularly showing the inner marks? Is it a case of wearing an old boiler suit and lying on the ground, or what?
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Steve my camera can focus to 1cm.
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Contact details for the Cottage garden Society Snowdrop Group event in Cerny Glouscestershire on February 21st are
Jenny Homewood, CGS Snowdrop Group, Acorn Cottage, Bird in Eye Hill, Framfield, Sussex TN22 5HA
Mark - We hope to go to the RHS Show in February. Looks like the flight possibilities are the 16-23rd/24th of February. Might the Cottage event be the one to attend or which do you rank as tops on those dates?
johnw
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The Gala Feb 14th ;D It's closer and in North London. The CGS event is 100 miles away. It's probably sold out but I might be able to sort out ticket/s. How many?
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Steve my camera can focus to 1cm.
That's fine, but you are at 6 feet above sea level, your camera is at 5 feet, and the snowdrop is at 4 inches. Do you get all your pics by having the snowdrop up in a pot in mid-air or do you have some fancy extension for the camera to lower it down to the snowdrop in the ground? A sort of periscope?
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It's a combination of on knees, hunkers or hand held in one hand and camera in the other.
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Mark - Would need two tickets (was that for the Gala or CGS?). I'll see if any flights work out for the 13th redeye and be back tonight. Would have to go directly from Heathrow methinks.
thanks
johnw
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Tickets for the Gala.
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John the answer is "yes, can do"
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Steve this is my camera
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Canon-Digital-Camera-10-0MP-optical/dp/B000IMD246/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1231273386&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Canon-Digital-Camera-10-0MP-optical/dp/B000IMD246/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1231273386&sr=8-1)
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Mark
That camera would buy you an Ecusson d'Or and a bacon sandwich.
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I didnt pay that price. I cant remember but I think it was around £150
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Is anyone else going to the pre-Galanthus Gala evening do arranged by Joe Sharman in Potters Bar on Friday 13 Feb? It'd be nice to know which forumists to look out for.
Also, anyone else going to the gala itself who hasn't already put their hand up? If we could all know who else is going to be there we'll know who to look out for. Did some forumists arrange to meet up at some point during the gala last year? Mark, are you going after all? I thought you had another engagement to speak.
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Us three are flying in and out on one day. We would normally arrive Friday first flight. No-one has confirmed yet that they are attending.
I suppose we can all simply say
I'm going.
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I will be there on the 14th Martin.
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I will be there on the 14th February too, but not at the pre-gala meal.
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No not going to the pre Gala evening Martin, will be at the talks, sale and visit.
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Sorry, I live too close to this year's Gala venue to need to stay overnight but too far away to come to come down for the meal then go home again.
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In another thread, a comment has been made about the renewal of a forumist's avatar from an unreadale black square with a spot of red, to a butterfly.....
I like your new avatar, so much better than the previous blob of black. But could you not progress to an actual portrait?
This butterfly avatar reffered to is pretty, but thinking about the discussion going on in these Galanthus pages right now about how folks might recognise fellow forumists when they attend an event, it does seem eminently sensible for us ll to have photos of our own fizzoggs* as avatars (*fizzogg means face , for the non-English speakers)
Just an idea......... ::) After all, if , for example, Mark, Brian E. Alan B, Hagen, and DavidQ and such like are not afraid to show their faces.... (and I can confirm that I have had no complaints from terrified readers ;) ) .... then why not have your face on show..... if only to avoid the embarrassment of sidling up to a stranger at a Galanthus Gala in an attempt to discover who is/is not a Forumist :o
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I'll be at the meeting but not the night before.
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I still need to hone my PC skills sufficiently to post a pic of myself, sorry Maggi, I tend to photograph plants and not myself. I need a friend to take my pic !
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Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeee I've got a friend
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I can confirm that I have had no complaints from terrified readers
...yet!
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Jo, I just knew you had friends!! I have taken my own advice and given myself a new avatar, too.... not that I'm going anywhere! Well, there's Dunblane in February, obviously!!
Brian, luckily the public seem to made of stronger stuff than we might give them credit for.... after all, they mst be hardened by seeing pix of politicians... now they're really frightening in most cases ::) :P
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Just back from Old Trafford. ;D ;D ;D Cream to the top etc. I'll be at the Gala, look for flying goggles and white silk scarf.
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Just back from Old Trafford. ;D ;D ;D Cream to the top etc. I'll be at the Gala, look for flying goggles and white silk scarf.
Crumbs. You didn't go all the way to Manchester at this time of year for a football match?
Note to self: Snowdroppers also have other wild fixations :-\
The thought of the Biggles Get-Up would make a Galanthus Gala almost worth the candle!
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Just for a laugh I'll be cunningly disguised as a middle-aged bloke with thinning hair so none of you will recognise me.
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Just back from Old Trafford. ;D ;D ;D Cream to the top etc. I'll be at the Gala, look for flying goggles and white silk scarf.
My son will be jealous. He was watching it on the box whilst supposedly doing his French homework. ::) Mind you, he has had lunch in the directors' box (not sure where to put the apostophe because there might be only one director?)
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As long as Bobby Charlton still sits in the Directors box I don't mind who the others are. And as long as expensive foreign imports are grafted onto a spine of local ex-youth team players, United will outlast the synthetic teams like Chelsea. Remember Blackburn in the season when Jack Hayward bought them the League championship? Name a London youngster in the Arsenal team. Similarly snowdrops; some of these fancy expensive new drops need to be added to a garden that already has Magnet, Arnott, Atkinsii and Hill Poe. Form is temporary; class is permanent.
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Similarly snowdrops; some of these fancy expensive new drops need to be added to a garden that already has Magnet, Arnott, Atkinsii and Hill Poe. Form is temporary; class is permanent.
My sentiments exactly. I have all the above, so need someone to drop some of these expensive types so I can add them to my garden. ;D
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Name a London youngster in the Arsenal team.
I'll give you four for starters ;D :
Henri Lansbury
Gavin Hoyte
Jack Wilshere
Kieron Gibbs
Plus Jay Simpson albeit currently on loan at WBA.
I grant you that only Jack features regularly but all have featured for the first team this season.
I think that your misconception is that you believe that Man Utd are full of local youngsters with a sprinkling of foreigners. I see that Gary Neville was the only Manchester born player in the starting 11 yesterday and you could hardly call him young!
I think that we should stick to Galanthus on this thread as it could get very nasty otherwise!
David (Galanthophile and Gooner!)
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Anyone for tennis? ;D Andy Murray was playing tennis with his mum just down the road between Christmas and New Year. I remember when he was wee and lived next door to a friend. He claims to have encouraged Andy in his tennis, especially one Sunday after a dinner party at a mutual friend's house - I think it was the night Vivienne and I announced our intending marriage - or did she tell me(?). Anyway, his suggestion to go to the local tennis courts ("stop hitting that ball against your garage door, I'm trying to sleep! >:( There's tennis courts round the corner") seems to have worked. ;D
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Name a London youngster in the Arsenal team.
I'll give you four for starters ;D :
Henri Lansbury
Gavin Hoyte
Jack Wilshere
Kieron Gibbs
Plus Jay Simpson ...
Can't see any of this lot in the Snowdrops book. They certainly don't play football. Do you suffer from any other delusions?
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;D ;D ;D ;D
After all lthis is the friendly forum... isn't it Maggi ?? ;)
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It would appear that I am the one to blame here so please accept my apologies. What I thought was a bit of friendly banter appears to have been taken the wrong way. I have sent Steve Owen a PM to say as much and hope that this will be an end to it.
Sorry for any embarrassment that my post may have caused.
David
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;D ;D ;D
Maggi,
I believe your collection of GIF's is inexhaustible !
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:-X
David/Maggie
No umbrage had been taken. I had obviously misread from all the incidental badinage on non-galanthus matters from the Hero aficionados that these threads had a wide tolerance of galanthus-related comment. So happy to go back to concentrating on galanthus safe in the knowledge that everyone else will do the same. Re Mark's post today on another thread; is it possible that other readers stay silent precisely because they fear offending protocol?
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I do believe that this Forum is about as liberal as one might find anywhere, but I felt there was a sign that this football "conversation" was taking a sharper tone, so I was moved to don my referee's shirt and step in.
I would imagine that any chance of keeping any thread precisely to the stated subject matter is miniscule..... that doesn't even happen when any digressions are strictly plant related... it just doesn't happen that way..... it is what makes this place so like a meeting of frends.... but I'm the fat lady here, charged with keeping things within certain bounds.... and I've just been singing.... so its over... that's all folks! (no gif for that, Luc... copyright issues!!)
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I too made a beeline for the Monograph to look up 'Henri Lansbury'!
johnw
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Steve I think they are scared of taking the first step. I feel a poll coming on ::)
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Well done Mark in getting your two talks at Harveys Garden Plants into the Times Daily Universal Register Gardening section today. Is the private collection of 227 varieties mentioned those that are roped off limit during snowdrop season and require a tour ticket to view or others elsewhere in the Abbey grounds?
Thanks
John
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Happy new year to everyone. I'd like to bring two more snowdrop events to the attention of forum people, both taking place here at RHS Wisley. Apologies for the very late notice; we are new at this!
Snowdrop Splendour, Saturday Jan. 31st & Sunday Feb. 1st, at the Wisley Plant Centre. Free entry. Talks by Donald Palmer, snowdrop collector, at 11am and 2:30pm on both days. Over 70 varieties to buy (our snowdrop list is at http://www.rhs.org.uk/whatson/gardens/wisley/plant-specials.htm/snowdrop-list-2009.pdf (http://www.rhs.org.uk/whatson/gardens/wisley/plant-specials.htm/snowdrop-list-2009.pdf) ).
Snowdrops & Other Winter Wonders, Wednesday Feb. 11th 10:30am-12:30pm, in the RHS Garden. A walk, showing the national collection of galanthus in combination with other winter plants. This requires garden entry and booking beforehand - see http://www.rhs.org.uk/rhseventfinder/details.aspx?Id=5526 (http://www.rhs.org.uk/rhseventfinder/details.aspx?Id=5526) or telephone 0845 6121253.
Thanks,
Andy
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This url takes you to the page where you can download the snowdrop list:
http://www.rhs.org.uk/whatson/gardens/wisley/plant-specials.htm
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Good list of snowdrops from Wisley. But some of the prices are quite high; maybe Ebay isn't so inflated after all.
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yes I agree. I just had a look. One has an invalid name - nivalis 'Maximus'
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Hello, Andy, welcome to the Forum.... good to have another Wisleyite communicating with a wider public!!
I hope we might hear more from you.
Hope the events are successful, by the way! :D
The RHS snowdrop list http://www.rhs.org.uk/whatson/gardens/wisley/pdf/snowdrop-list-2009.pdf
Interesting to see there are other types of plants available.......
Summer bulb list
Snowdrop list
Fruit list
Potato list
Vegetable list
Rose list
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Mark,
you mentioned the nivalis 'Maximus' as an invalid name but here in Holland it is for sale at ,serious,nurseries.It has to be confirmed but it is said to be the original nivalis 'Maximus' and not extinct at all!
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I'm just saying what Matt Bishop et all say. How does it differ?
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???
I understood that the accepted name for "Maximus" was "Yvonne Hay"?
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John I cant find the article online.
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Steve there are ;
nivalis Maximus
elwesii "maximus" syn Yvonne Hay
and plicatus Maximus
See the book, the books are on ebay for sale if you still don't have it
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:'(
Wow what a mess!
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John M I think the private collection is somehwere out of sight
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Is the private collection of 227 varieties mentioned those that are roped off limit during snowdrop season and require a tour ticket to view or others elsewhere in the Abbey grounds?
John
The rarities are in the long ditch and you need an escort not least to help to translate the number labels into names with the help of a reference list!
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I was wondering if that was the case Mark but the numbers do go up to at least 268 on my photos of the "long Ditch" specimen area Steve mentions. Steve, the guide offered me the number list for five minutes last year but would not let it out of his sight or let me photograph it so I could put names against the photos I had just taken. It is a shame that this area is open to all later on in the season it being too great a temptation for some children not to move the numbers about.
John (M)
PS The Times article mentions 227 varieties in a private area at the Abbey.
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bloke with thinning hair.
On second thought, maybe I do resemble Diggory.
johnw
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bloke with thinning hair.
On second thought, maybe I do resemble Diggory.
johnw
Oh, my......you're chubby... and wear a lot of big white seersucker shirts ? ? ::)...... :-X :-\ :o
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Anyone going to
Harvey's days?
Glen Chantry?
CGS snowdrop day?
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Mark
Yes, yes, yes.
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No, yes, no
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no
no
maybe, Does one write for tickets?
johnw
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John tickets are from the address I posted last week on this thread
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Not unless I'm feeling rich and they have tickets at short notice
No, because I went last year. Highly recommended, though.
Maybe? I have never been to a CGS event.
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Brian Alan, It's supposed to be like a mini Gala
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Unfortunately, we don't have the same selection of events or venues here in Ireland and travelling is not an option for me with work and family commitments.
Wol Staine of Glen Chantry Gardens is visiting a club of which I am a member on Thursday of next week. It will mean a 160 mile round trip but I went to hear him speak last year and purchased a few snowdrops and thought it worthwhile and will travel next week also.
Altamont Gardens in Co. Carlow also has an annual snowdrop open week and this is very pleasant.
In the meantime, I shall continue to enjoy postings and reports from afar.
Paddy
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Another in the East!
Ann Borrill is opening her small (but beautifully formed :D ) garden in Wymondham on Feb 20th and 21st, 10am -4pm. Admission £2 pp for Multiple Sclerosis Society. I have a map if anyone else is interested and in the area. I visited this morning and she has had 49 varieties in flower so far with lots more to come, some quite unusual.
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She has a stunning garden not to be missed if you are close enough to travel
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Another in the East!
....49 varieties in flower so far...
That's amazing, especially in view of the big freeze...
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Yes it is an amazing little garden altogether Steve, Yaffle was just out this morning!
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Paddy Ryanair have a seat sale 35 Euro return to London Stansted. You and some friends could hire a car and go to Wol's garden on the 7th
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I'm going to the main event, run by the SRGC, of course. ::) :P
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Once again, I have tried to edit Mark's original post by adding details of the other venues subsequently mentioned in this thread. Please forgive (or correct) any mistakes or omissions.
UK
Anglesey Abbey 21st Jan. to 22nd Feb (not Mondays). Free tours of their snowdrop collection at 2:00 on Tues-Fri, 50 places per day, ask for ticket in good time.
Colesbourne Open Days, Every Sat. & Sun. from 31st Jan. to 1st March
Wisley Plant Centre: Snowdrop Splendour, Saturday Jan. 31st & Sunday Feb. Free entry. Talks by Donald Palmer, snowdrop collector, at 11am and 2:30pm on both days
Roger Harvey's snowdrop days are February 1st and 2nd
Brandy Mount House Alresford, National Snowdrop Collection open on 4th, 7th & 8th February
Rosemoor on Feb 7th
Ashwood Nursery on the 8th
RHS Garden, Wisley: Snowdrops & Other Winter Wonders, Wednesday Feb. 11th 10:30am-12:30pm, in the RHS Garden. A walk, showing the national collection of galanthus in combination with other winter plants
Galanthus Gala, Hatfield, Herts on the 14th
Evenley Wood Garden, near Brackley, Northants. Fri 13th Feb to Sun 15th, Fri 20th to Sun 22nd.
Snowdrop Conference at Royal Botanic Gardens, Edinburgh, Feb 20th ....followed by SRGC Bulb Day, Dunblane 21st Feb
Jenny Homewood's Cottage Garden Society Snowdrop Group at Cerney House garden near Cirencester 21st
Cambo Estate on the 22nd!!
Margaret Owen, Open Snowdrop Garden, Acton Pigot near Shrewsbury, 22nd Feb.
Europe
Snowdrop Gala, Zaandam, Holland 14th & 15th Feb.
Galanthus Gala and Snow Drop Show at Arboretum Kalmthout , 14th & 15th ( Cathy Portier will attend)
Snowdrop Weekends, Cathy Portier’s Nursery near Bruge, the 24th and 25th of January and 7th and 8th of February. She added an extra day the 21st of February because of the late and cold winter we had last few weeks. edit made to these !m
Dutch Gala on 21st - Wolfheze near Arnhem
Gunther Waldorf's Galanthus event, Nettatal, Germany - 28th Feb. and March 1st
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Good work Alan
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Thanks Alan
I was struggling to work out what was going on.
One that seems to have missed your excellent amalgamation is:
Another in the East!
Ann Borrill is opening her small (but beautifully formed :D ) garden in Wymondham on Feb 20th and 21st, 10am -4pm. Admission £2 pp for Multiple Sclerosis Society. I have a map if anyone else is interested and in the area. I visited this morning and she has had 49 varieties in flower so far with lots more to come, some quite unusual.
(possibly the only one I will make it to ::))
Cheers
John
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For anyone in the north of England Howick Hall near Alnwick is open for snowdrop weekends from 7th February. The gardens and tea room are well worth a visit.
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A Question: Was the RHS London show for January last Tuesday - or tomorrow?
Many thanks
John
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John,
I don't think that there was/is one scheduled for January this year. February is supposed to be the first of the year.
David
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For anyone in the north of England Howick Hall near Alnwick is open for snowdrop weekends from 7th February. The gardens and tea room are well worth a visit.
I was amazed to see a print of Alnwick Castle opposite the lift on our floor of the Holiday Inn Express hotel, Atlanta Airport, Georgia when we stopped off on our way to Mexico in 2007. Small world! :D
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Avon Bulbs/RHS events
Snowdrops for Beginners
Wednesday Februry 4th 10am to 1pm
Snowdrops for the Really Keen
Wednesday February 11th 10am to 1pm
Bookings via RHS 0845 6121253
£12.95 for members, £15.95 for non members
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Avon Bulbs Behind the Scenes - limited numbers and weather dependant
29th January
5th February
10th February
10.30am to 1pm
£15 includes entry to East Lambrook Manor
includes tea/coffee, cakes. 10% discount on catalogue snowdrops
http://www.avonbulbs.co.uk/ (http://www.avonbulbs.co.uk/)
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Not to mention:
Subjects for the talks at Dunblane Early Bulb Day Saturday 21st February.....
A Celebration of bulbs
11 am Julia Corden “The SRGC in Cyprus”
Rod Leeds “Snowdrops start in Autumn”
2 pm Rod Leeds “Autumn Bulbs”
Michael Almond “Some bulbs of Eastern Turkey”
Plus the usual plant sales and nurseries selling snowdrops etc.
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The Hardy Plant Society (Kent) hold their annual snowdrop day on Sunday 15 February at Goodnestone Park near Canterbury. Here is the link; http://www.hpskent.co.uk/snowdrop-and-hellebore-extravaganza/. Snowdrop nurseries attend, but I don't know which.
Their website has other interesting information, including the fact that this is the last year that Glen Chantry will be open to public visit.
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The field beside Glen Chantry has been sold for development
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I got this email today
Sorry to disturb you. But since you gave me the link were you made some publicity for us, I frequently visited the forum to read all your comments. I haven’t placed any reaction myself (haven’t figured out how to do that), so I write to you.
On page 12 of the forum, on the 17th, Alan_B gave an update on different Galanthus events in the UK and Europe, and I spotted a mistake (but I don’t know how to correct). He mentioned that Cathy Portier Nursery near Bruges, has a snowdrop weekend on the 14th and 15th of February, but that’s wrong. We have our Galanthus Gala and Snow Drop Show then at Arboretum Kalmthout and Cathy will be present but she has her own snowdrop weekends the 24th and 25th of January and 7th and 8th of February. She added an extra day the 21st of February because of the late and cold winter we had last few weeks. Could you possibly set this straight for me, I would be very grateful. Not that it is that important but you never know …
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Mark, I have amended the post of Alan to show this info from Kalmthout, will you let them know, or will "they" read it here? :D
More info: Heuvel 2, 2920, Kalmthout, Belgium
link for Kalmthout: http://www.provant.be/en/leisure_time/domains/arboretum_kalmthout/?redir=http://www.arboretumkalmthout.be/
http://www.provant.be/en/leisure_time/domains/arboretum_kalmthout/welcome/
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Would anyone know if Jenny Homewood is away? I have been trying to reach her by phone for several weeks about getting tickets for the CGS Snowdrop Event at Cerny on the 21st of February. No anwer morning, noon or evening.
Perhaps there is someone else I could contact about the event.
johnw
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I've been trying also. As far as I know she does all the organising herself.
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Perhaps as she has had a year of bad health she is unwell again. I sincerely hope not, but obviously a possibility :-\
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She sounded OK when she asked me to give a lecture
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Well hopefully she is Mark, and enjoying a holiday in the sun before things get hectic with the snowdrops! I just don't know, relaying what it said in the November newsletter.
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Anyone going to the Gala and also the Early Bulb Display in Dunblane?
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I might look in to it because I may be free that weekend. What are you looking for?
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Anyone going to "The Garden House" and then Dunblane?
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Anthony, if you mean 'The Garden House' here in Devon, it's not very far away from me. If they have something you want I would be happy to collect it for you and post it on to you. Just let me know.
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Yes, I think so?
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David,
Does "The Garden House" do snowdrops? Is it there that Matt Bishop is gardener, or garden advisor?
I have booked a week in Padstein, over Rick's restaurant, from the 6th to the 13th of April and intend visiting the Garden House - and Rosemoor, which again is in your area. (No, I won't be looking for a bed for the night!). Have also booked flights for Tresco but nothing else decided as to gardens to visit. The selection is huge.
Paddy
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Hi Paddy,
The garden house is where Matt is but last year he wasn't selling snowdrops from there. I think its possible he's keeping work and play separate.
He does sell snowdrops if you ask him for them but I don't know what the protocol for approaching him is. Maybe David knows ?
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No, don't know about the protocol. But am prepared to help anyone who wants to have plants from Matt Bishop by collecting them and posting them on. All you need to do is to establish contact with him and then come back to me with arrangements.
The garden House is one of our Wednesday visiting places, they do a very good lunch and excellent CAKES too.
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Why Wednesday David ???
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Why Wednesday David ???
Midweek treat, Jo..... quieter and fewer people to share the cakes with..... ::)
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fewer people to share the cakes with.....
That's what I call good planning 8)
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Maggie's right of course Jo,but the fact is the Nicholson's are creatures of habit and since I retired Wednesday has always been the day we go out together during the week. That means I can claim the rest of the working week for gardening. ;D
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We use Thursdays, the problem is you go to somewhere like the lakes in winter and every lay by is full of old codgers sat in their car with their sandwiches and flask. Nowhere for us to park with ours.
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David,
I mentioned to Mary that we must visit the Garden House on a Wednesday so that we might meet the Nicholsons. Her reply: Are they the Sissinghurst Nicholsons?
I explained that you were of the Devon branch of the family.
Paddy
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Not an event as such, but has anyone been to Painswick Rococo Garden, in the village of Painswick, near Stroud, Gloucestershire. http://www.rococogarden.org.uk/latest_news.aspx ? I went there in 2002 and remember a very large number of 'wrong' snowdrops, like the ones in my photo.
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We use Thursdays, the problem is you go to somewhere like the lakes in winter and every lay by is full of old codgers sat in their car with their sandwiches and flask. Nowhere for us to park with ours.
I never try and move my sheep on Thursdays, too many old codgers dozing in the gateways digesting sandwiches and tea.
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David,
I mentioned to Mary that we must visit the Garden House on a Wednesday so that we might meet the Nicholsons. Her reply: Are they the Sissinghurst Nicholsons?
I explained that you were of the Devon branch of the family.
Paddy
I wish!
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We use Thursdays, the problem is you go to somewhere like the lakes in winter and every lay by is full of old codgers sat in their car with their sandwiches and flask. Nowhere for us to park with ours.
I never try and move my sheep on Thursdays, too many old codgers dozing in the gateways digesting sandwiches and tea.
Now Jo, in these hard times you must realise it's us old codgers who are propping up the nation with our heavily taxed pensions and thus allowing SuperGord to save the world :P
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;D ;D
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Not an event as such, but has anyone been to Painswick Rococo Garden, in the village of Painswick, near Stroud, Gloucestershire. http://www.rococogarden.org.uk/latest_news.aspx ? I went there in 2002 and remember a very large number of 'wrong' snowdrops, like the ones in my photo.
Looks a lovely place, Alan, but is there a nuclear power station nearby ::) ....all those "wrong" snowies must be caused by something!! :-X
I found a link on the site that may prove very interesting, even to non-galanthophiles......
http://www.rococogarden.org.uk/uploads/pdffiles/cakerecipes.pdf ;D ;D ;D
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Looks a lovely place, Alan, but is there a nuclear power station nearby ::) ....all those "wrong" snowies must be caused by something!! :-X
I found a link on the site that may prove very interesting, even to non-galanthophiles......
http://www.rococogarden.org.uk/uploads/pdffiles/cakerecipes.pdf ;D ;D ;D
I was wondering if the garden was populated with Galnthus Atkinsii, or the "bad" form that I think we are supoosed to call "James Backhouse". This does randomly stange things most years. I would not have recognised this snowdrop in 2002, so I asked the question in case somebody knew or had been there more recently. It was a lovely place and it had a tea room where I presume you could sample the recipes without having to go to the trouble of making them! I did not notice a nuclear power station.
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Looks a lovely place, Alan, but is there a nuclear power station nearby ::) ....all those "wrong" snowies must be caused by something!!
Berkeley Nuclear Power Station, an old Magnox plant now decommissioned, about fifteen miles away.
The 'Atkinsii'-type snowdrops reportedly came originally from James Atkins, who first distributed 'Atkinsii' and whom it's named after, who lived in a cottage a few hundred yards across the park from the big house at Painswick Park. I visited with my father a long time ago and saw some original 'Atkinsii' growing in James Atkins's garden.
Over the decades, especially when the garden at Painswick Park well into disrepair and was neglected, quite a few snowdrop 'hunters' went through the drifts there and it's quite possible that they tended to take 'good' 'Atkinsii' away and tended to leave abnormal ones behind, so the current population may contain a lot of aberrant ones for that reason.
I'm not totally convinced that there were originally two completely different stocks of 'Atkinsii', one aberrant and one genetically more stable. I think it was more the case that 'Atkinsii' sometimes turns aberrant and over the years people selected out the best, or weeded out the wierd ones, so different populations arose in gardens, some pure, some aberrant, and others mixed.
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Sorry, I meant to finish that last post by saying that I think what I suggest there is a more likely scenario than there having been two distinct forms of 'Atkinsii', one aberrant and one non-aberrant, which in some mysterious way became mixed up together in gardens.
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Martin,
Your comments re G. 'Atkinsii' certainly make sense. Abberant G. 'Atkinsii' are being distributed under G. 'James Backhouse' . I also seem to recall comments in the snowdrop book that one should keep an eye on plantings of G. 'Atkinsii' and weed out the abberant ones, giving me the impression that G. 'Atkinsii' is simply inclined to regularly produce abberant flowers and wonder it these abberations deserve a cultivar name at all but should simply be regarded as part and parcel of the ways of G. 'Atkinsii'.
There are a few other snowdrops, I'm not sure if I should call them cultivars or Atkinsii look-alikes, that I am beginning to have doubts about. I am growing G. 'Lyn' and G. 'Silverwells' and wonder what is meant to be distinctive about them. (No, Maggi, this is not an opportunity for you to jump in!)
Any comments on these ones, Martin?
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Paddy, I stopped buying 'Atkinsii' look-alikes a while ago, to see what they were like, as it seemed fairly pointless. I know there are people who have insisted that what was 'found' was a completely new cultivar, presumably a seedling, and maybe some are, but I don't think it's impossible that in some cases an ancient cultivar like 'Atkinsii' might have found its way into a garden decades ago, been forgotten about, then 'discovered' many years later as something 'new'. Then again, as I'm finding with my breeding programme, so many snowdrop seedlings look like others that it's quite possible a new 'Atkinsii' could arise as a seedling where no 'Atkinsii' were before. However, given how long the real 'Atkinsii' has been around, I suspect at least some of the 'new' ones may just be 'Atkinsii' under a different name.
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Paddy, re. whether to select out 'James Backhouse' from 'Atkinsii' clumps makes sense, I agree with you. It seems a wierd thing to suggest. I think 'Atkinsii' is simply prone to aberrations and that people can select out the oddities if they like, to grow those separately or to keep their 'good' clumps clean, but I wouldn't do that with my 'Atkinsii' and then call them 'James Backhouse'. Why should I? I have no reason to think they are that (if it exists). My Atkinsii came from a very good source and were always 'Atkinsii'. Any aberrant plants from them are in my opinion simply aberrant 'Atkinsii'.
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Apologies if this one has already been mentioned:
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I finally heard from the organiser of the CGS Snowdrop Group day of lectures. She has been sick and has a new telepone number.
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I finally heard from the organiser of the CGS Snowdrop Group day of lectures. She has been sick and has a new telepone number.
Strange, I left message on the voicemail. So is the Cerney Event on or not? It's getting late to register now, Mark could you PM me the new telephone number? Are you still giving a talk?
johnw
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;D ;D
CGS Snowdrop Group newsletters now arriving from Jenny H. Looks like things may be ok.
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Is anyone going to the Snape Cottage (Dorset) Snowdrop Days the last two Sundays in February 1030 to 1700?
http://www.snapecottagegarden.co.uk/snowdrops.htm
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I will be going ,i only live 40 minutes away.they do a great almond slice .i will be going on the 15th , i think its a great garden . they have a good primula collection too.
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emma, once you have scoffed the almond slice, good news; they also have enough good snowdrops to work up room for a second slice........
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Thats very true ;D
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I've been there and suggest anyone within a hour or two drive really should go.
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Did anyone go to the wisley snowdrop splendour today?,im heading down there tomorrow ,providing it doesnt snow to hard.
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Is anyone going to the CGS Cerney Event on the 21st? We will be in the area as we are going to Colesbourne the next day. If we don't attend the CGS can you recommend gardens or nurseries to visit in the immediate vicinity, even naturalized snowdrops? Hellebores, primulas, other bulbs, trees, shrubs etc etc are all of interest. Will not be doing a car rental.
johnw
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Did anyone go to the wisley snowdrop splendour today?,im heading down there tomorrow ,providing it doesnt snow to hard.
I went. I enjoyed the talk although it didn't tell me a huge amount I didn't know. I have to give a talk to my local gardening club shortly so I am looking for pointers. There were quite a few snowdrops on sale and I bought a Galanthus platyphyllus, or at least what was supposed to be a Galanthus platyphyllus. It is in flower now, which is too early according to the Book. I was disappointed by Wisley's snowdrop display, very few named cultivars but they have some wonderful Witch Hazels and you mustn't miss the butterflies in the glasshouse.
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Galanthus platyphyllus is a late flowerer. Mine aren't even close to the surface of the compost yet. They are very distinctive with little or no sinus notch on the inner petals.
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Did anyone go to the wisley snowdrop splendour today?,im heading down there tomorrow ,providing it doesnt snow to hard.
I was disappointed by Wisley's snowdrop display, very few named cultivars but they have some wonderful Witch Hazels and you mustn't miss the butterflies in the glasshouse.
And the small alpine house (not the big new one) at the top of the rock garden is a dream.
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Colesbourne...
...can you recommend gardens or nurseries to visit in the immediate vicinity, even naturalized snowdrops? Hellebores, primulas, other bulbs, trees, shrubs etc etc are all of interest. Will not be doing a car rental.
Hi John
how will you be getting to Colesbourne if you don't have a car? I would think it could be a difficult to do on public transport.
I was intending to visit the 'Painswick Rococo Garden' when at Colesbourne this year - but that is not to be. Haven't been to the Rococo before but looking at the website it seems it can be done by train and bus:
http://www.rococogarden.org.uk/visiting.aspx
If you do go please take lots of photographs so that I can get a feel of the place. (On a map it looks about 6 miles from Colesbourne accross country).
Cheers
John
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Galanthus platyphyllus is a late flowerer. Mine aren't even close to the surface of the compost yet. They are very distinctive with little or no sinus notch on the inner petals.
This is a picture of the snowdrop that was sold to me as Galanthus platyphyllus. The leaves are supervolute and dark green with a matt finish. The flower is quite small so the sinus notch is little, although when magnified in the photograph not so little in proportion to the petals. If it is not platyphyllus, what could it be? If it is platyphyllus then somebody has a stock of a much earlier flowering form. Nobody at Wisley could/would tell me who supplied these snowdrops.
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Here is a link to Galanthus platyphyllus: http://www.hot.ee/sibullilled/thumbs/127.jpg The problem lies in that in the past woronowii has been called G. ikariae latifolius, and G. platyphyllus used to be called G. latifolius. Your plant looks to me like woronowii Alan? http://www.hot.ee/sibullilled/thumbs/131.jpg
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My flower does not look that much like your picture of platyphyllus, Anthony, but I do not think it looks much like woronowii either. In all the woronowiis I have seen, the inner mark always stops abruptly at the end towards the base as if a line had been drawn across the petal; this is clear on the link you gave. This does not happen on my "platyphyllus". My leaves are also more like the matt finish of the leaves in the platyphyllus picture than the gloss finish of the leaves in the woronowii picture. But my inners are notched and not rounded and the flowering time is much earlier than it is supposed to be.
I guess one problem is that platyphyllus is so little known. It must be a bit like trying to infer what Galanthus gracilis looks like having only seen Galanthus gracilis Highdown. Some of the features of Highdown are characteristic of the species but others are not. Or does the world's entire cultivated stock of platyphyllus derive from the same few bulbs/seeds?
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If anyone is in the Midlands in mid February Olive Mason is opening for the NGS. Olive has a fabulous garden and over 400 varieties of snowdrops. Details as follows
Wednesday/Thursday 18/19 February 2009
Olive and David Mason, Dial Park, Chaddesley Corbett, DY10 4QB
Special snowdrop opening for the NGS with over 400 varieties on display. An entrance fee is required.
Open 2.00 pm – 4.00 pm.
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In all the woronowiis I have seen, the inner mark always stops abruptly at the end towards the base as if a line had been drawn across the petal; this is clear on the link you gave. This does not happen on my "platyphyllus".
Although my woronowii vary quite a bit in flower (& leaf) size, their inner segment markings are rather uniform.
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Here are three of my woronowii.
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here I am in Suffolk. It's sooooo cold and snowing heavily
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Is anyone going to the CGS Cerney Event on the 21st? We will be in the area as we are going to Colesbourne the next day. If we don't attend the CGS can you recommend gardens or nurseries to visit in the immediate vicinity, even naturalized snowdrops? Hellebores, primulas, other bulbs, trees, shrubs etc etc are all of interest. Will not be doing a car rental.
johnw
I was hoping a few weeks ago to be able to go to the CGS event and could perhaps have helped out but I won't be around then. S****ng business again! Always gets in the way of snowdrop stuff. >:(
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here I am in Suffolk. It's sooooo cold and snowing heavily
No snow here yet.... I thought from the forecasts that this snowy weather would hit up here first and then move down the east coast to England...... it'd be nice if the snow had decided to miss us out altogether.... :P :-\
I feel sorry for all those poor little flowers who are going to get a nasty shock. :o
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here I am in Suffolk. It's sooooo cold and snowing heavily
Not too much snow in Cambridge so far, so your trip to Anglesey Abbey tomorrow might just make it if the roads are passable.
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I am grateful to Ashley and Anthony for their pictures of galanthus woronowii (the connection to this thread being that I bought a "suspicious" Galanthus platyphyllus at an RHS event at Wisley). Anthony, your third picture does resemble my snowdrop although the colour of your leaves seems almost impossibly dark. Do you have more photos of that one, a close-up of the flower maybe?
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John - We just might get to the Cerney Event, the first Saturday train gets in to Cirencester at 10:25 and John Grimshaw is speaking at 11, it will be a scramble. The event starts at 10 with snacks and sales (too bad missing the snacks). Thanks for the information on Painswick, we'll try to visit if there's time. Sorry you can't make it Martin.
How cold is it there? And how much snow? No need to respond if above -5c or less than 10 inches.
johnw
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I am grateful to Ashley and Anthony for their pictures of galanthus woronowii (the connection to this thread being that I bought a "suspicious" Galanthus platyphyllus at an RHS event at Wisley). Anthony, your third picture does resemble my snowdrop although the colour of your leaves seems almost impossibly dark. Do you have more photos of that one, a close-up of the flower maybe?
Here's the same plant again, but brighter and close-up.
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How cold is it there? And how much snow? No need to respond if above -5c or less than 10 inches.
johnw
John, you have no idea how little snow it takes to bring massive disruption to road and rail transport in the UK. We are not used to it so lorry (truck) drivers Jack-knife their lorries and block roads and motorways. And we don't have the snow ploughs to clear it up in much of the country because snowfalls are so infrequent. There is a classic line from a rail spokesman that the automatic doors on their rolling stock would not close because we had "the wrong type of snow". I can only speak for the south of England but here any type of snow is the wrong type of snow!
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Just had a phone call from my son who works in London where there is a couple of inches of snow this morning. The Northern tube line was not running, there were no buses, and he walked from Kilburn to Baker Street tube station before picking up a Metropolitan tube to get him to Westminster. On the roads buses and cars appeared to be running fairly normally! We couldn't organise a booze up in a brewery ;D
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We couldn't organise a booze up in a brewery ;D
I am sure I could. hic! :D
John
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I'll join you John. In Feb 1987 we had a foot of snow. Then I lived in Polmont, about 3 miles from my school. I left the house, by car, at 8.15 a.m. About half a mile from the school, where a roundabout wasn't, there was a dip which led up to a railway bridge over the road (the "skew" bridge). Vehicles were going down and up one at a time. I got to school at 10.15 a.m. just in time to meet all my colleugues leaving! ::) I spent the rest of the day in the Whiteside Hotel near my house. By 7 p.m. my friends and I had spent all our cash and decided to cash a cheque. The owner's son said, in future boys, pay by cash. ??? We never went back. :P It's not a pub anymore. The school was closed for a week. ;D
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Brandy Mount Snowdrop day on Wednesday 4th February has been cancelled due to the snow. :'(
Anyone contemplating visiting on Saturady 7th and Sunday 8th February are advised to phone before travelling.
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Alan - I was once traveling by rail from Amsterdam to Antwerp and when we got near Rosendal the train came to a halt and sat "until the snow subsided". There wasn't a quarter of an inch ion the ground and after 20 minutes it had melted into the ground. Then away we went.
I have seen your snowploughs and there are too light for any amount of snow. But what would cope with this? St. Anthony's, Newfoundland a few years ago.
johnw
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Alan - I was once traveling by rail from Amsterdam to Antwerp and when we got near Rosendal the train came to a halt and sat "until the snow subsided". There wasn't a quarter of an inch ion the ground and after 20 minutes it had melted into the ground. Then away we went.
I have seen your snowploughs and there are too light for any amount of snow. But what would cope with this? St. Anthony's, Newfoundland a few years ago.
johnw
I think it is attitude not the conditions. I went to school in the fifties and never ever had a day off due to snow or bad weather or lack of heating or anything. I rode a motorbike to work through the winter of 1963 (coldest recorded for us 3 months without going above freezing) without proper cold weather gear because that was what was expected. I got cold and came off a couple of times but gave it little thought. I sometimes wonder whether we haven't just turned into a nation of wimps :-\
Except of course in Newcastle where such weather means the need for a short sleeved tee shirt ;D
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Weather can be deceiving. My brother has a friend from the Middle East who has visited since the early 1970s. When first he came here he would regularly leave the house in a short-sleeved shirt on a sunny day in January not understanding that just because the sun was shining it was still cold. He would get about 50 metres and return cursing the strange Irish weather.
Conversely, last summer I walked about on the top of the Schilthorn - the James Bond revolving restaurant in Switzerland - in sandals, shorts and shirt in a foot of fresh snow and found it perfectly comfortable.
Paddy
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Conversely, last summer I walked about on the top of the Schilthorn - the James Bond revolving restaurant in Switzerland - in sandals, shorts and shirt in a foot of fresh snow and found it perfectly comfortable.
Paddy
Paddy are you originally from Newcastle then ??? :o
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Galanthus platyphyllus is a late flowerer. Mine aren't even close to the surface of the compost yet. They are very distinctive with little or no sinus notch on the inner petals.
If it is not platyphyllus, what could it be? If it is platyphyllus then somebody has a stock of a much earlier flowering form. Nobody at Wisley could/would tell me who supplied these snowdrops.
Perhaps its a duck-billed platyphyllus.
Which bring me onto the latest from grand-daughter 1 (aged 6);
Q. What goes "quack quack miaoww"?
A: A plat-billed duckypuss.
Sorry. Its all this snow. ;D ;D ;D
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Q. What goes "quack quack miaoww"?
A: A plat-billed duckypuss.
Sorry. Its all this snow. ;D ;D ;D
Ho ho! ;D
I remember being told one at school (all those years ago) - I can't remember the actual joke (sorry :-[) - but the punchline was 'Duck filled fatty puss'. ::)
John
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Conversely, last summer I walked about on the top of the Schilthorn - the James Bond revolving restaurant in Switzerland - in sandals, shorts and shirt in a foot of fresh snow and found it perfectly comfortable.
Paddy
Paddy are you originally from Newcastle then ??? :o
Not at all, Ian, made of tougher stuff altogether!
Paddy
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That I can believe Paddy. :) My granny on my mother's side was from Ireland. Her mother was still cycling to church at the age of 90. I think it was the red hot poker in her weekly Guinness that did it? :)
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despite mainly clear roads only 10 out of c25 came to the first day at Harvey's. Because of the damn snow the visit to Angelsey was off :'(
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Yikes, Anthony, it is years since I heard of the poker in the Guinness. As a child it was always sugar,not a poker, for me.
Paddy
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Some good snowdrops to look out for in the future out of Harveys
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Some good snowdrops to look out for in the future out of Harveys
Do you mean new ones they have found Mark?
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This thread has moved on a bit from Galanthus platyphyllus but here is mine photographed on March 25 2007. Collected beside the Georgian Military Highway in 1979.
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Roma you have just made my day. What a fantastic pic of an elusive plant. 8)
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Roma, Fabulous leaves. Paddy
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So different from the ones on the link I posted, apart from one point - no sinus notch.
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So different from the ones on the link I posted, apart from one point - no sinus notch.
That's what I thought. Does not bode well for my supposed G. platyphyllus.
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Some good snowdrops to look out for in the future out of Harveys
Do you mean new ones they have found Mark?
Brian it's snowdrops he is bulking. They were almost flat to the ground until today and with snow on the tunnels light was poor. The sun ended up very warm today with snow melting fast and path drying in the wind. Morning temperature was -3 but rose to +4. All but two made it the second day at Harveys. No trips to Angelsey or Rods. Both had too much snow. Food as good as East Lambrook.
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Some good snowdrops to look out for in the future out of Harveys
Do you mean new ones they have found Mark?
Brian it's snowdrops he is bulking.
Hi Mark
glad to hear your second talk had more attendees - and more importantly GOOD FOOD :P
I am interested - the bulbs that Harvey's are bulking up - are these ones that will be new to the market or ones that have been available previously from 'harvey and the big boys'. (sounds like a 60's pop music group!)
cheers
John
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I am interested - the bulbs that Harvey's are bulking up - are these ones that will be new to the market or ones that have been available previously from 'harvey and the big boys'.
Precisely John, that is what I meant too Mark, no good if he is just bulking up Mighty Atom for instance, but if it were the more hard to come by drops it would be of interest.
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I think we would have to know the secret hand shake to be privy to this information? ;D
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He is bulking everything from 'Atkinsii's to ones I have never heard of. I should have taken notes. If the snow didnt fall I might have been more excited. He has a snowdrop that I cant remember the name of that has a scent like Germolene.
Food on day one was ginger beef with tomato based gravy followed by bread and butter pudding or sliced orange with sugar syrup and the best coffee cake I have ever had. Food on day two was pork, kouskous and ? followed by prune and almond sponge and yummy coffee cake again. Their coffee is very good
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Germolene sounds like one to avoid, it would bring back memories of chilhood bumps
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Food sounds brilliant. :-*
I love the smell of Germolene. ;D
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Food on day one was ginger beef with tomato based gravy followed by bread and butter pudding or sliced orange with sugar syrup and the best coffee cake I have ever had. Food on day two was pork, kouskous and ? followed by prune and almond sponge and yummy coffee cake again. Their coffee is very good
Sounds like a normal day of my wifes cooking.
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Food sounds brilliant. :-*
I love the smell of Germolene. ;D
Sounds like a normal day of my cooking! ::)
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Sounds like a normal day of my wifes cooking.
Your wife cooks!? :o
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Sounds like a normal day of my wifes cooking.
Your wife cooks!? :o
We both do but NOT together in the kitchen at the same time
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Wol Staines told me today he is bringing snowdrops to sell at the Early Bulb day. Start saving your pennies!
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Wol Staines told me today he is bringing snowdrops to sell at the Early Bulb day. Start saving your pennies!
Good grief-- Anthony and the Fanatics will have the poor chap trampled underfoot..... You'd best tell Wol to get a kevlar vest or somesuch... he'll need it, I reckon! :P
Anthony and the Fanatics are not, by the way, a modern beat music combo :-X
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Wol Staines told me today he is bringing snowdrops to sell at the Early Bulb day. Start saving your pennies!
can I ask... What is the early bulb show? Is it early flowering bulbs? Or a sale of bulbs early in the year (or early in the morning?). And is it anywhere I can get to from Kent easily by public transport (if publich transport ever starts to work again after the 3 inches of snow that made it collapse completely! ::))
Sorry all if I am asking an obvious question.
cheers
John
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John, Early Bulb Day is the first SRGC event of the Year.... see here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2747.0 ...and various other threads from previous years.... it is a non-competitive display of early bulbs and alpines, in Dunblane, near Stirling, Scotland, with sales from specialist nurseries, the SRGC Club Plant Stall, great home made soup ( I believe Anthony is consulting his recipe books even as I type :D ) and, to top the lot, two talks..... but this year, we're getting four short talks... it is just a super day ....but perhaps a bit far for you to make a day trip of :'(
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I believe Anthony is consulting his recipe books even as I type :D
Who told you?! :o
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I'll have to put in an appearance next year
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I'll have to put in an appearance next year
How good is your soup, Mark?
Anthony, I have lots of chums down your way....... lots! ;D
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Aye, we're a pedigree lot down here. ;D
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well I happen to known a brilliant cook who can make something outta nothing and could rustle up a flask for myself ;D
I'm seeing Wol on Saturday and will warn him but I get first pick of the Scottish 'drops.
I know it's been asked before but who's going to Glen Chantry, not a best kept secret Scottish glen, on Saturday?
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Mark
I asked the same question and nobody replied.
Judging by the conditions not sure it will be on.
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Wols said it's on for whoever gets there
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Excellent - we will have to share the snowdrops btween the four of us.
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I take it that the other three will be Pooh, Tigger, and Piglit!? ;D
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Margaret Glynn is attending with me
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Assuming that it is still on (and yes, I too have spoken with Wol today) then I'll be there on Friday.
Speaking to Wol on Monday he was confident that the event would take place and the rain and mild-ish temperatures today have helped melt the snow. There is still some concern about the weather forecast for tomorrow which caused Wol and Sue some concern this afternoon but unless the roads are totally impassable it'll be on and I'll be there. Can't let Mark and Arthur have all the fun!
David
Nice one Anthony - I have just finished reading a Winnie the Pooh story to my son. Wol certainly looked different in my son's book! Have Disney not met the real Wol?
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David why not change to Saturday?
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I just hope the weather's okay for the gala weekend on the 14th. I've already found out I have to be away for the CGS snowdrop day not far from here on the 21st, and another local-ish snowdrop garden visit this weekend has been cancelled due to the masses of snow down here and threat of more. I've already booked my hotel room for the gala weekend, so it just better be okay! I haven't been able to get out to do much pollinating either with the all freezing weather and now the snow. The season's going to be over soon! :-[
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we will have to share the snowdrops btween the four of us.
If there are any left after Friday Art ;D
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David why not change to Saturday?
They are sold out for Saturday and the RHS will not allow you to change days. I'm sure that Wol and Sue won't mind but thems the rules.
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and if Wol or Sue are taking the tickets it doesnt matter
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Mark, there is already a post about this event somewhere on the forum.
Is the Galanthus Gala held in a sports hall? How odd! I see Mary Randall in one photo and a chap from Scotland whose name I should know is beside her..... ??? Quite a few faces I think I know :-\
Mark, you posted a note about an email you had received giving modifications to the info Alanb posted.... page 12 of this thread Re: Galanthus Events 2009
« Reply #179 on: January 20, 2009, 10:25:53 PM »
Re: Galanthus Events 2009
« Reply #167 on: January 17, 2009, 10:27:37 PM »..... so I thought you had a direct connection?
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The photos are all in a sports hall , though?
Google translates as: As part of the first Belgian Galanthus Gala is a special sale of snowdrops by specialist nurseries and collectors. Besides the ordinary snowdrop Galanthus nivalis they also offer many other species and cultivars.
It is an ideal time to exchange ideas with other fans and share experience. This sale is for both the novice and the seasoned collector an interesting event not to miss.
Since this is their first Gala, it seems they have used photos taken by one of their number to illustrate the type of event....
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Two points, Mark..... one: Might the photos not have been taken by someone involved with the Belgian Day?
two: Have you asked permission to use these photos? :o
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Yes, the sales arent always outside but are mainly in a different room to the lectures
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Mark, I read, though not being Belgian, that it is their first Gala this year.
They must have visited some British Gala('s) and have made some pictures which
they show on their Website to attract possible visitors to their Gala.
Most of the people on the pictures are not looking Belgian.
I presume there is nothing wrong with making pictures somewhere and show
them, because they hardly could make some in Belgium.
You should be glad that this VIRUS went over to the Continent ;D ;D ;D
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urrrr no. But I was told they were taken by Rubin who I know. i'll email him now for permission
So, it was rather unfair for you to say what you did..... I will edit your post for you!! :-X
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Of course, it will ease the pressure at the stands ;D
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Maybe someone could put a sign on a motorway gantry and point the buses in the direct of the RBGE event ::)
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I wouldn't be a bit surprised if a lot of the Continentals are booked to attend the RBGE event already.... it would be good to help them get a clear road there though!
Isn't the woman in the lovely patterned/embroidered jacket, Jo ?? :D
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I'm sure this chap is from the Stirling group...
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Here is the chap again, near Mary Randall..
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Heck ! caught on camera with me mitts full of plunder !!!!!!! Where was I though ??? ??? ???
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I'm seeing Wol on Saturday and will warn him but I get first pick of the Scottish 'drops.
Does that mean we'll only get the leftovers at Dunblane? :(
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And is it anywhere I can get to from Kent easily by public transport (if publich transport ever starts to work again after the 3 inches of snow that made it collapse completely! ::))
cheers
John
I think GNER operate a direct train from London that goes through Stirling (it passes through Dunblane, but doesn't stop) arriving around about 6.30 p.m.?
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I'm sure this chap is from the Stirling group...
I think I met him at Colesbourne in 2007 - can't remember his name though. :-[
John
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According to their web site, http://www.brandymount.co.uk/ , Brandy Mount House (who hold a National Collection of Snowdrops) have cancelled their Open Days on 7th and 8th February. They have provisionally scheduled 21st and 22nd February as substitutes.
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Where was I though
Must have been somewhere good Jo with all that plunder ;D
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and if Wol or Sue are taking the tickets it doesnt matter
Says you. It is not the case Mark - I tried to change from Saturday to Friday, but Wol was unable to accept greater numbers for the previous day.
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Where was I though
Must have been somewhere good Jo with all that plunder ;D
I guess last years gala, I seem to remember a big hall, mind you my surroundings were not my main priority ;D ;D
The snow is thick again here today, Its wet and heavy and flattening shrubs. My ( big, 10ft high ) black stem bamboo was flat on the flower bed, pinned down on top of SNOWDROPS :o :o :o
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I just thought they would take people in. Harvey's did on Tuesday
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Managed to get me an 'Ecusson d'Or' or a 'Flocon de Neige' yet Mark? 8)
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no
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Did the Glen Chantry event take place today as planned? It was miserable weather here, near Cambridge.
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You just read my mind
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Managed to get me an 'Ecusson d'Or' or a 'Flocon de Neige' yet Mark? 8)
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None around then.
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Yes Alan there were about thirty of us there. Weather was fine and no snow to be seen 8)
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Hopefully there will be no snow for the rest of us tomorrow. What goodies were for sale?
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I'm seeing Wol on Saturday and will warn him but I get first pick of the Scottish 'drops.
Does that mean we'll only get the leftovers at Dunblane? :(
Anthony
Fear not. Wol mentioned at Glen Chantry today that he divides his lifted snowdrops into "quotas" for the two Glen Chantry days and his other selling shows, so your Dunblane quota should be unsullied by us southern plunderers. Indeed, Wol may occasionally survey these threads, so if I have misunderstood what he said....
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Thanks Steve. I'll be there. I'm certainly interested to see what will be available. 8)
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Hi Anthony
I went to Glen Chantry last year and Wol was selling some great stuff. 8)
John
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Can anyone tell me roughly how many people usually attend the Snowdrop Gala these days? I need to print out some flyers about my new book to hand out at the Gala and it would be useful to know roughly how many I'll need.
I haven't found time to go to the Gala for a few years, so don't know how it's grown. I'd check with Joe but he's probably up to his eyes in stuff right now with the nursery, the weather and the snowdrop events, and I read here somewhere that he's having problems with his email.
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Hi Martin, I've just been to a talk at RHS Rosemoor which Joe gave. A really good explanation of snowdrops and their collectability. Good fun, and he's off to Ashwood to do the same again tomorrow. So he's away from his pc.
I reckon that last years gala had about 180-200, though I expect this years' venue, a school, would be able to tell you the capacity of their hall. So if its a sell out like last year that would be your answer.
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Not strictly a snowdrop event but I have just spotted that Renishaw Hall (south of Sheffield) is opening on 22nd February for an early spring Plant Fair, with bulbs including snowdrops to see in the gardens. Does anyone know what their snowdrop display is like or which nurseries will have stands?
If anyone knows any good snowdrop gardens to visit in this area please let me know. I was lucky enough to have a trip down to Colesbourne and Painswick last Saturday before the snow arrived. Here in the Pennines my snowdrops are still buried in snow.
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Welcome to the Forum Vivien, it's good to have another Huddersfield person with us.
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Hi Vivien, tell me about it :-\ my garden is due to open for snowdrops tomorrow and they are currently under a blanket of about 4 inches of the stuff. I just hope people phone before coming because I do'nt think they'll get down the lane !!
Can't help you with snowdrops in your area but I expect someone else will, when they get back from their various outings today ;D
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Hi Vivien
Welcome to the Forum. I'm afraid, although my roots are in Huddersfield, I don't know the area well. You could always pop up to the Early Bulb Display here in Dunblane? ;D
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I reckon that last years gala had about 180-200, though I expect this years' venue, a school, would be able to tell you the capacity of their hall. So if its a sell out like last year that would be your answer.
Thanks Jo. I guess it makes sense that the gala can never really grow beyond the capacity of the average school hall, as that's the usual sort of venue. I'll print out a couple of hundred flyers to put on seats and a few extras to have about my person in case anyone asks for one.
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Just home from the visit to Wol and Sue's garden. Unbelievable collection. Biting cold wind poor light so no photos taken. If this event happens again you must book, Anthony, and come see the all the fuss about snowdrops is about. 5 attanded yesterday with out tickets tut tut. Good to see they allowed some who couldnt come yesterday to tag on today
Brillant snowdrops for sale and many I hadnt see before. Going to the RBGE snowdrop event and/or Early Bulb Day? Be there early.
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I would have gone to the RBGE conference I'd had the same holidays as the schools in Stirling Council. They have the Wed, Thurs and Friday of the week beginning 16th Feb. I get Friday 13th and Monday 16th. :( As the kids are off for staff inservice on 16th & 17th I don't even get both days to myself. ::)
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Well my 'garden open' ; this weekend is definately cancelled. Its snowing at the moment and we still have a blanket of snow.
A couple of images from this morning. I thought Where Em ? was appropriate ;D ;D
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Hi Vivien
Welcome to the Forum. I'm afraid, although my roots are in Huddersfield, I don't know the area well. You could always pop up to the Early Bulb Display here in Dunblane? ;D
I have had my trip out for this year - not sure if I can manage another one but it is tempting. Do you have to be a club member to go?
I am not a Huddersfield local - come from Rothbury in Northumberland - so almost Scottish (the village has a pipe band etc) :)
(I hope I have done the quote and smiley thing right - I am new to this stuff so please excuse me if I mess up!)
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A few images from Glen Chantry on Friday, not the best of days - as you can see most of the drops were closed as it was so cold, but it gives a little idea of what it was like. The clumps of snowdrops appear all through the garden, in all the beds, under trees in grass, but one of my favourite sections is under the dogwoods. Wol extolled the virtues of Magic Flame which you can see in the first snaps (also in Saturdays Telegraph Gardening section). We had a great plant sale to begin with in the welcome warmth of the polytunnel, then a walk round the garden with Wol, teabreak to warm up and then back to the polytunnel for a chat about snowdrops with Q&A section. Sue Staines on hand to keep Wol on the straight and narrow!! The snaps are of some of the nicer clumps and things that I like, first the lovely Yaffle, Sutton Courtenay which is fast becoming a snowdrop close to the heart, Sickle and lastly the desirable Jonathan which is currently at the top of my wants list. Hope that gives you a little lift if you are under snow - or needing a white fix!
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Welcome, Vivien, great to have you here......no need to be a member to come to the Dunblane early bulb day..... and it's FREE!!
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Brian, lovely shots from Glen Chantry..... but what is that green stuff?? ::)
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Jo, what a shame to have to cancel, but really it had to be done ....just hope that you don't get a lane full of determined visitors, stuck in their cars!!
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Coo, Magic Flame is impressive. I look forward to getting to Glen Chantry one day.
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Jo - that is such a shame. I hope you hadn't baked too many cakes. Are you going to rearrange or leave it until 2010 now?
Regards
John
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Maggie, after the weather forecasts we were staggered that we hardly saw any snow on our 75mile journey at all!
Jo do come to this wonderful garden, but you must do it soon as this is their last year of opening, they say
"By August we will have been opening to the gardening public for twenty years and Wol will be sixty five. We have decided to retire and close the garden and nursery. Health permitting, we intend to continue gardening at Glen Chantry for our own pleasure without the pressures of running the nursery and opening the garden to the public. It seems fitting to us what started as a passionate hobby should return to that state. We are immensely grateful to the very large number of garden visitors and nursery customers from all over the world whose support, enthusiasm and appreciation has made all the unremitting hard work worthwhile."
http://www.glenchantry.demon.co.uk/
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Jo - that is such a shame. I hope you hadn't baked too many cakes. Are you going to rearrange or leave it until 2010 now?
Regards
John
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We'll leave it till next year now and stuff ourselves with cake. I'll appear at the gala and CGS day in a rounder form than normal. ( Diggory as opposed to Atkinsii )
We are open by appointment through the NGS as well so if people are really keen they can phone up.
Brian, I don't suppose Glen Chantry is open for the gala weekend or by appointment then ? I imagine that I would only be able to visit later in spring when they open more regularly :-\
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Alan - re: snow plows
We had a messy little storm last week. As the city's snow removal funds are running low the plow came down the street once on both sides (one previous storm he made 8 passes on both sides!). I guess this time he decided he had better do a good job. The massive blade went 4 feet over the curb and cleaned out the entire front section of my neighbor's rock garden. I wondered why all the big rocks showing today at the top of the melting pile. A friend tells me his neighbor's double 3 foot high x 2 ft wide rock walls on either side of his driveway entrance, some 6 ft from the curb, were completely destroyed. One should run when you see these plows coming with idiots behind the wheel.
johnw
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Considering the cost of repairing the damage, it's no wonder the city's funds are running low.
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Foxgrove's Snowdrop Day tomorrow is cancelled...snow.....
Went to the AGS Spring Show yesterday at Loughborough. Bright sunshine streaming into roooms full of bright colours - iris, narcissus, saxifrage, snowdrops. It made you wish you could bottle it. And crusty bacon rolls at £1.20. Staggered away with five bags (of plants, not bacon rolls).
Heavy snow coming down here tonight on the Bucks/Beds border.
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Speaking to Joe Sharman just now the Gala is going ahead no matter what the weather throws
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Anthony - Not a chance the city will pay for repairs as they were not on their property!
johnw
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Speaking to Joe Sharman just now the Gala is going ahead no matter what the weather throws
I'm just concerned about getting there. They say there's a massive winter storm heading for the south of England this week, bringing snow blizzards that could eclipse what we've already had.
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Anthony - Not a chance the city will pay for repairs as they were not on their property!
johnw
That's criminal damage and as such they should be sued for gross negligence. They wouldn't get away with it here.
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Speaking to Joe Sharman just now the Gala is going ahead no matter what the weather throws
So he got back safely from Ashwood then. It started sleeting then snowing at the end of the afternoon there.
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Yes Diane I could hear him walking on the snow
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Went to the AGS Spring Show yesterday at Loughborough. Bright sunshine streaming into roooms full of bright colours - iris, narcissus, saxifrage, snowdrops. It made you wish you could bottle it. And crusty bacon rolls at £1.20. Staggered away with five bags (of plants, not bacon rolls).
Hi Steve
5 bags of plants! :o Hopefully it didn't cost bags of cash! Did you get any interesting snowdrops?
And I must ask - with bacon rolls at that price did you go back for seconds? I know I couldn't have stopped at one! ;D
Cheers
John
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Hi Steve
Did you get any interesting snowdrops?
And I must ask - with bacon rolls at that price did you go back for seconds? I know I couldn't have stopped at one! ;D
Cheers
John
John
Well, I was pleased to find Remember Remember which has been very elusive indeed, and Trymmer. I was able to replace my non-appearing By Gate, and two drops new to me - Ballards no-notch and Jennifer Hewitt. Most prices were very reasonable, but there were a couple of Godfrey Owens at £40. I was really looking for primula allionii and oxalis varieties.
I have to confess that two bacon rolls were scoffed!
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I have to confess that two bacon rolls were scoffed!
It has to be done at that price. ;D I am going to Goodnestone park on Sunday - I hope they have cheap bacon butties there!
I would be interested to see a macro photograph of 'Trymmer' if you have time to take one - it is not one I have heard of before.
Many thanks
John
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John
Pics 4u.
Steve
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Thanks Steve - very nice. 8) Like a fat South Hayes.
Cheers for the picture. ;D
John
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Lovely 'drop Steve, must look out for it.
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What is Ballards no-notch?
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Hi , my name is Maria . Am from Bulgaria - Sofia . This flower is from my garden :)
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Hello Maria, and welcome. Your picture did not appear in your post. Did you click on 'Additional Options' and add your picture before you clicked 'Post' ?
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Hi Maria,
Welcome to the forum and we look forward to seeing photographs of your garden.
Paddy
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Hi all of you :) . Thank for the good word !
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Welcome Maria. Don't the snowdrops look fantastic in that setting? 8)
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and more ...
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Hello Maria
Does the file name under your photos mean 'snowdrop' in Bulgarian?
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Hello Maria
Does the file name under your photos mean 'snowdrop' in Bulgarian?
Welcome Maria and welcome Vivien. :D
Hi Vivien
I couldn't sleep so thought I would doing a little research....
I think the Bulgarian for snowdrop may be кокиче - I think Изображ is short for изображение - which means image/picture.
Time for a hot drink and back to bed!
John :D
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;D ;D
John
Of course, everyone gets up at 3 am to research Bulgarian on the web, don't they?
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Hello Maria
Does the file name under your photos mean 'snowdrop' in Bulgarian?
I couldn't sleep so thought I would doing a little research....
I think the Bulgarian for snowdrop may be кокиче - I think Изображ is short for изображение - which means image/picture.
And I thought I was up late last night!
How did you manage to get the Cyrillic font - I couldn't see a way of doing it? I am trying to learn Russian - mainly to keep my few brain cells going.
I am going to give a little talk and display on my few snowdrops this afternoon (the ladies at church were desperate for a speaker and I foolishly volunteered). I don't know how the professionals do it - my brain is exhausted from getting everything prepared and I haven't even delivered it yet.
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The Gala will bask in sun shine this Saturday according to Sky news weather
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The Gala will bask in sun shine this Saturday according to Sky news weather
whilst a choir of angels sings the Hallelujah chorus!
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For those who happened to be in Belgium this weekend, you can always come too to the Zaanse schans, the whole weekend from 10 am till 5 pm and free entry. Besides the snowdrops and other spring flowering plants a beautiful sight of our country.
And not to be forgotten you will have the chance to meet Luit van Delft ;D ;D
See you there,
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Two private posters asked about the Hallelujah Chorus. I don't think it can compete with the hatted giraffe, but you might enjoy pasting this Youtube clip into your browser:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D09DCZryG2U
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Two private posters asked about the Hallelujah Chorus. I don't think it can compete with the hatted giraffe, but you might enjoy pasting this Youtube clip into your browser: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D09DCZryG2U
Brilliant, thanks Steve.
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Enjoyed the Nuns, BUT as a Huddersfield lad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-0HY2e-xRo
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Hi everybody ,
KentGardener you are right - in bulgarian we say " кокиче " for Gala ." Изображение " it is view :) and spring -my favourite season - пролет :) :)
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For those who happened to be in Belgium this weekend, you can always come too to the Zaanse schans, the whole weekend from 10 am till 5 pm and free entry. Besides the snowdrops and other spring flowering plants a beautiful sight of our country.
And not to be forgotten you will have the chance to meet Luit van Delft ;D ;D
See you there,
Gerard, who would travel so far to meet me there, cannot imagine that ;D ;D
Looking at the weather forecast I don't even know if I will come, though it's not to far.
But the area where the meeting is, is typical Dutch landscape from the Picture Books!
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Enjoyed the Nuns, BUT as a Huddersfield lad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-0HY2e-xRo
Very nice David, but I rather liked the hairy nuns of Steve.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D09DCZryG2U
...... I see they are the Turtle Creek Chorale from Texas...... just as well it said the Texas bit, cos I was confusing that with Turtle Point, where Carlo gardens... :-[
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For those who happened to be in Belgium this weekend, you can always come too to the Zaanse schans, the whole weekend from 10 am till 5 pm and free entry. Besides the snowdrops and other spring flowering plants a beautiful sight of our country.
And not to be forgotten you will have the chance to meet Luit van Delft ;D ;D
See you there,
Gerard, who would travel so far to meet me there, cannot imagine that ;D ;D
Looking at the weather forecast I don't even know if I will come, though it's not to far.
But the area where the meeting is, is typical Dutch landscape from the Picture Books!
Oh Luit, :'( but Vroni might be with you..... I know many who would travel to meet her! :D
Details of this event here: http://www.sneeuwklokjes.info/index_gb.html
Snowdrop Gala 14 and 15 February 2009
On this date we are organising our second Snowdrop Gala, in the unique location,of the Claasen family shipyard, near the famous Zaanse schans.
Entry will be free and the event will be held indoors - It is aimed at every garden enthusiast , particulary those who likes alpines.
You're welcome from 10 am till 5 pm, and the participants will be: Josephine Dekker, Gerard Oud, Wim Postema, Jan Smit and Jan Huisman, who will offer you a selection of special snowdrops and other things.
If you want to participate in this event, please call 0031 228 591300 (ask for Gerard) or send a email to gerardoud @ tele2.nl
The Snowdrop Gala will be held at
Kalverringdijk 40
Zaandam
and there will be plenty of room for parking.
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Oh Luit, but Vroni might be with you..... I know many who would travel to meet her!
8) 8) :-X
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Who is going to the Gala?
I'll be there.
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See you there Mark :) if I can tear my eyes away from the snowdrops :D
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I'll be there.
Mark - What was Ryanair's £ surcharge for a steamer trunk?
johnw
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What's a steamer trunk?
Anyone going to Margaret Owen's MS Day on the 22nd? If you are within easy drive to Shrewsbury you really must go
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What's a steamer trunk?
It's a large piece of luggage that you would have used to travel by steamship in the "good old days" when you had servants or porters to carry your luggae for you and there was no baggage allowance.... vintage ones with genuine old labels on, from the old sailing companies are quite collectable!!
Here's an old Louis Vuitton one.... and one showing how the inside could be like a wardrobe....
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ahh I see. When I was wee my father had one
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What's a steamer trunk?
Good grief am I that ancient? Think I'll go home to Cheops now.
johnw
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Somewhat belatedly, here are shots from Glen Chantry last Saturday.
It was extremely cold even with the sun shining, and some snowdrops were only just emerging. Only a few of the Snowdrops opened sufficiently to show their marks - Wol and Sue organised a show of individual flowers in a tunnel so that people could see the characteristics of the many Snowdrops. Wol also gave an introduction to twin-scaling for beginners.
The plants for sale were excellent and represented excellent value, with every pot having at least one flowering bulb plus one daughter bulb.
It will be very sad if this is the last time we are able to view the Snowdrops at Glen Chantry.
General view near the Tea room
'Mrs Macnamara'
'Gill Gregory'
'Fred's Giant'
'The Pearl'
'Grumpy'
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Some more from Glen Chantry
'Fenstead End'
General view
'Sutton Courtenay'
'David Sim Early'
'Richard Ayres'
'Wendy's gold'
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Final shots from Glen Chantry. I am indebted to my friend David (Dan) Robbins who took all the photos - I forgot my camera.
'Sandersii'
'John Gray'
'Mrs Thompson'
'Little Ben'
'Diggory'
'Mrs Macnamara'
'Richard Ayres'
'Ray Cobb'
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Thanks for posting those Arthur. They really do look wonderful given time to clump up and plenty of space. 8)
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I trust the sun will shine on the Gala tomorrow and the weather fully co-operates. Take lots of pictures. Moderation... sausage rolls that is.
johnw
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Sun all day John.
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Tomorrow was meant to be the Moray Groups snowdrop day... that stalwart of the group and club Ronnie Loveland had organised visits to three gardens in Moray that have wonderful displays... has now been postponed until 28 Feb. when I really do hope the snow will have gone >:( >:(
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Arthur,
Many thanks to you and your friend for an excellent display of snowdrop photographs.
This seems to be a very special day for snowdrops on the forum as we have also had great displays from Diane and Kata.
Paddy
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I'm going to the gala ;D ;D ;D
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You better say hello! Look out for black, going grey, just out of bed, styled hair LOL
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If I were there - you wouldn't see me, as I would be camouflaged! ::)
But - I will not be, as I can't cope with crowds brandishing their jagged elbows in a desperate
scramble for that elusive drop. For this reason you will not encounter me in the gala maelstrom.
I hope everyone has a really wonderful day and I want to see loads of photos.
Have a great time all.
Jx
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But - I will not be, as I can't cope with crowds brandishing their jagged elbows in a desperate
scramble for that elusive drop. For this reason you will not encounter me in the gala maelstrom.
But you could always be super cool, hang back and just chat to your friends and affect a total disdain for the maelstrom. As long, that is, as you could cope with the knowledge that you might have missed your chance to get that elusive snowdrop you have been wanting.
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By the way, I will be at the Gala but if I don't seem to acknowledge you (whosoever you are) please say hello as I am just really really awful at recognising people.
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Can someone PM the Gala address.
I called a member of SLAG today, grrr. Snowdrop Lovers Annual Gala
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Alan, just wear a floppy hat and a very long knitted scarf then people will recognise you. ;D
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Who are you implying he looks like? He might need a doctor after that comment.
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;D ;)
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Who?
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Alan, just wear a floppy hat and a very long knitted scarf then people will recognise you. ;D
I actually do have a very long knitted scarf. Maybe I'll dig it out and take it with me. But I'll need John's [KentGardener's] help with that floppy hat.
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That was my hat but I might considering renting.
Paddy
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;D ;D ;D
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That was my hat but I might considering renting.
Paddy
Away you go, you don't need that hat meantime... you just told us it was 11 degrees with you today... that hat is needed elswhere!! ::)
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Ok spot the forumists, these scenes of midwinter madness were taken by David at the Gala sales, sometimes it's useful to have a partner who isn't into snowdrops ;)
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Here are some general images from the Alpine Meadow and rockery at Myddleton House. Well worth a visit, a marvellous garden, it really needs some expert gardeners input to keep it looking good. It's amazing to think how these wealthy people were able to employ so many gardeners, although we were told in the first lecture that E A Bowles would garden and the gardeners were allowed to take the weeds away that he had picked!
I hope someone has some close ups?
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Ok spot the forumists, these scenes of midwinter madness were taken by David at the Gala sales, sometimes it's useful to have a partner who isn't into snowdrops ;)
My wife thinks that's my head visible right at the back of the hall in the second picture.
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Brian yet again we have been to the same event and we havent said hello.
By the time I got to the garden there were so many people I wasnt interested in taking photos.
Photo 1
Martin
Anne Borrill
Wol and Sue Staines
Photo2
Carol Smith
Photo4
Margaret Owen
Photo6
David Quinton
Photo7
Hitch Lyman
Mark Smyth
David Quinton
Janet 'Judy's Lecore
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So it is, Alan
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Ok spot the forumists, these scenes of midwinter madness were taken by David at the Gala sales, sometimes it's useful to have a partner who isn't into snowdrops ;)
My wife thinks that's my head visible right at the back of the hall in the second picture.
I thought that was someone in a chef's hat. ;D
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Brian - Lovely shot Myddleton 6. A great relief from the previous ones at the sardinery.
johnw
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Thanks for the pictures Brian - I must admit it looks a bit too crowded for me.
This was the sales area at Goodnestone Park today - a little more elbow room! 8)
Cheers
John
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I see someone is complaining about people wearing rucksacks at the Gala. Better not go then to any of the major RHS shows, where collapsible wheelbarrows are all the rage. I guess we could all remove rucksacks and all outerwear before entering the sales area, or you could try bringing in one of those portable megaphones and shouting FIRE!!
Seriously, I haven't been to a snowdrop selling do yet that wasn't too cramped, and by and large the pushing and shoving yesterday wasn't as bad as last year. Having recently had surgery on both knees, I also have to be careful at the Gala - of ladies swinging heavy bags full of snowdrops precisely at knee level.
Over the winter I "lost" a group of four Angelique plants, so bought a replacement at the Gala. Today (able to work the soil at last) I gently excavated the site of the lost bulbs, and lo and behold there they were; all four had made decent roots but declined to make any top growth. Have any other threaders encountered this? Maybe I should stick an arrown pointing upwards in the middle of the group and hope they take the hint?
I was amazed at the number of SRGCers at the Gala who accosted me with Hi Steve! I must have a very recognizable photo.
Seven snowdrop do's next week, one on each day. Is this a record?
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Ok spot the forumists, these scenes of midwinter madness were taken by David at the Gala sales, sometimes it's useful to have a partner who isn't into snowdrops ;)
My wife thinks that's my head visible right at the back of the hall in the second picture.
I thought that was someone in a chef's hat. ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Apols for late reply Maggie - yes, I managed to acquire 3 more drops despite the scrum! The layout of the sales area was much better last year though with more room in the aisles. Unfortunately sales at the Gala manages to bring out the worst in human nature sometimes.It helps if you're 7ft tall with arms to match! Steve, I definitely wasn't one of those ladies swinging bags of snowdrops around at knee level - a- they are too precious to risk destruction and b. it took me 20 mins to get one purchase into a plastic bag!
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Yeah Steve but who walked past the SRG Crew without spotting us?
I was amazed at how many good snowdrops that were left on the sales tables
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There was a lovely pot of Narcissus, Feb flowering, 'Miss Muffet' not bought at the Gala.
and in huge writing DID YOU SEE ANGELINA!!!! I want her bad. Those in first got the chanch to buy her. A very tall, flushed green whited tipped snowdrop out of Czech Republic. I know the sellers are watching - yes please and a fair swap for what you want from me!
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Ok spot the forumists, these scenes of midwinter madness were taken by David at the Gala sales, sometimes it's useful to have a partner who isn't into snowdrops ;)
My wife thinks that's my head visible right at the back of the hall in the second picture.
I thought that was someone in a chef's hat. ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
Okay, okay, it's not that funny! I'm going along to the barber tomorrow with a copy of KentGardeners picture from the forum to illustrate the new hairstyle I want.
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Mark I grow Narcissus 'Miss Muffet' - she seems to be a good doer in the garden but I must have missed Angelina (Jolie) - didn't know she was interested in snowdrops!
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Alan, a haircut like KentGardener's in this weather is NOT a great idea, honest, you'll freeze... he's used to it!
Here are the folks I think I spot from the Gala pix..... bear in mind I only know Mark ::)......
Alan ? David Q? Brian ? Mark Martin?
and the last one is not a Forumist, but I thibnk it's SRGC member Lionel Barnwell.... which means that the tiny Diane Barnwell is somewhere in that seething mass of shoppers!!
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Brian yet again we have been to the same event and we havent said hello.
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Margaret Owen
...and me with glasses centre left for future reference Mark!
Whoops beaten by Maggi.
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Which one is Janet Mark? I'm sorry I missed her.
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Brian yet again we have been to the same event and we havent said hello.
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Margaret Owen
...and me with glasses centre left for future reference Mark!
Whoops beaten by Maggi.
Yes, I spotted you! You have a nice face 8)
Mark, can you pick out those other folks you mention..... please?
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Yes, I spotted you! You have a nice face
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it took me 20 mins to get one purchase into a plastic bag!
Sue that was a very big snowdrop (or I suppose a very small bag).
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Brian she's look right at you!! ::) Didnt you see me?
It always amazes me how many people know me, my web site, where I'm going and where I've been. Stalkers maybe? LOL
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Yes Mark, I did say that I saw you across the salesroom, but it was impossible to move around ... and I was looking for snowdrops ;) Do you mean that was Janet in picture 4 with the black tie round her blonde hair? It's difficult to know what someone looks like if you have not met them! Mind you having said that Pattie Peck spotted me, and I her.
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Anthony and other growersin Bonnie Scotland mark your diaries for next years Gala. Not 100% confirmed despite being mentioned yesterday it should be in Essex. No excuse Rob!! No excuse John
how do the forum snowdrop growers fancy a get together before next year's Gala? I'll be there as will most of you again or why dont you fly in for the our snowdrop day?
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Ok spot the forumists, these scenes of midwinter madness were taken by David at the Gala sales, sometimes it's useful to have a partner who isn't into snowdrops ;)
I'm in pic Gala 1, black coat and red scarf, left hand side of pic.
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Okay, okay, it's not that funny! I'm going along to the barber tomorrow with a copy of KentGardeners picture from the forum to illustrate the new hairstyle I want.
Are you going to the RHS halls tomorrow Alan? If you cut your hair off I won't be able to spot you. :-\
Alan, a haircut like KentGardener's in this weather is NOT a great idea, honest, you'll freeze... he's used to it!
I still do Maggi - I got caught out in a hail storm a couple of weeks ago - bloody painful as they hit my bald bonce and made my brain hurt through freezing! :(
Is anyone else going to the RHS halls tomorrow? (Tuesday 17 Feb) - I should be there from midday so please feel free to say hi. ;D
Cheers
John
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OOer I don't like that many people in one place, but in photo gala3 I saw some YELLOW flowers.
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Could some kind soul who was at the Gala tell me who the people were at the far right hand end of the hall selling snowdrops? ...past Colin Mason's stall. Cheers
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Another opportunity for people-spotting at the Galanthus Gala. John Grimshaw of Colesbourne and The Book is manning the nearest sales table.
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It's hard for me as I have only ever met 3 SRGC members as far as I know:
but is this our Jo from Devon again?
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I reckon it is John, had a quick word with Jo - who I have to say had more bags than me 8)
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Hi Alan, I recognised two happy Germans. Thank you for sharing the pic. ;)
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Hi Alan, I recognised two happy Germans. Thank you for sharing the pic. ;)
I'm told that there were around 50 people from Begium and Germany at the Gala
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I recognised two happy Germans.
Hi Hagen
a total guess here as I was not there and don't know who is who - but are these two the happy Germans?
John ;D ???
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Also John there was a stall with Rudi and Ingrid Bauer. This is them isn't it Hagen?
Happy with the money they were taking!
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Brian, John if I would be there, I would search the contact to members of the forum like you. I know your appearance. You mean Günter Waldorf (Aicha), standing behind R. and I. Bauer. I`m only a lover of galanthus but not a seller.
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I'm told that there were around 50 people from Begium and Germany at the Gala
There was a coach from Germany and a coach from Holland in the car park at the Gala. You can see the leaders of the Dutch party in the foreground of Brian's photos 6 & 7. I don't know about Belgium.
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Maggi, I`m alone here near Berlin. You know our galnthophile friends better than I. May be I have a chance next year or later. GB is fine also in other times. I love Stourhead and Inverewe Gardens. The galanthophile section is near Köln.
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So, if I have this correct, this shows Rudi and Ingrid Bauer and, behind them Aicha, Günter ?
Will Rudi and Ingmar be at Oirlich, also, do they sell only galanthus??
So the German Galanthophiles are centered on Köln ?
Maybe it was German and Dutch, not German and Belgian! :-\
You are tugging our heartstrings, Hagen, that you should be "alone" ;) :-*
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Brian, John if I would be there, I would search the contact to members of the forum like you. I know your appearance. You mean Günter Waldorf (Aicha), standing behind R. and I. Bauer. I`m only a lover of galanthus but not a seller.
There were some fantastic German snowdrops on sale; but at the sort of prices a fantastic snowdrop can command.
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Maggi, my English is bad, not my eyes ;)
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Maggi, my English is bad, not my eyes ;)
I missed out the picture from my post.
Hagen, I apologise if you thought I was being rude to you ??? :'(
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You mean Günter Waldorf (Aicha),
Someone else I should have said Hello to. I kept my eyes open just in case you were there Hagen.
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John's photo shows Mark Brown in the middle.
Gunter was there!?
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I will reiterate Maggi
Mark, can you pick out those other folks you mention..... please?
When you can spare the time picking out their pictures would be very useful Mark. :-*
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Could some kind soul who was at the Gala tell me who the people were at the far right hand end of the hall selling snowdrops? ...past Colin Mason's stall. Cheers
Anita Thorpe was at the far right of the hall.
That was a pic of me, John and my arms are a couple of inches longer from carrying bags. I'm too short though for my bags to get Steves' knees, more likely to clonk his ankles :D
Here are some of the only pics I took, we were pathetic about doing a photo call :-\
Lovely pics Rob, Comet is great and quite late for me.
I think I might have got Emma T in one
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Thanks Jo, nice pictures from Myddleton House too. I think that may be Rosie Steele top right in picture 2, she was there.
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It looks like most of our forum friends are at the RHS show!
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It looks like most of our forum friends are at the RHS show!
Not me. I'm stuck at the word processor. Have managed to get out and do some pollinating since the gala, though. Finally some decent weather!
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It looks like most of our forum friends are at the RHS show!
Not me. I'm stuck at the word processor. Have managed to get out and do some pollinating since the gala, though. Finally some decent weather!
I'm glad things are improving over in the west, let's hope we have seen the last of winter Martin.
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Here in Aberdeen today it reached the dizzy height of 15 degrees at midday for about half an hour...... dropped off again quite quickly, but it has given us our own "Galanthus Event" .....we have actually been able to see some growing now . Very nice they are too, little white things.... some VERY little, with occasional green bits.... sweet!
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I have received this press release from the Lee Valley Regional Park Authority who run Myddleton House......
News Release
17th February 2009
Release number 2009/0213
"What am I bid for this Bulb?
One hundred and fifty pounds! That is the price paid for a rare E. A. Bowles Snowdrop from Myddelton House in the Lee Valley Regional Park at the weekend.
The Snowdrop, Galanthus plicatus Poculiformis Group E. A. Bowles, to give it its full name, was discovered by visiting snowdrop expert, Mike Myers. What makes the Snowdrop unusual among plicatus types is that all of the petals are of equal length and are without any green markings, there are six outer petals and no inner ones and that makes it a unique variety.
It is believed that the plant self hybridised some time ago and was subsequently named after Mr. Bowles, who created the gardens at Myddelton House in the late 19th and 20th Centuries. Bryan Hewitt, Head Gardener at Myddelton House and biographer of E. A. Bowles explained “Mr Bowles was regarded as an acclaimed Crocus expert and has many varieties of Crocus named by him, but Snowdrops were also a special interest and that is why we have these fantastic displays at Myddelton House each year, it is therefore fitting that he now has given his name to this new Snowdrop.”
The bulb from the prestigious plant was dug up and given to plantsman and nurseryman Joe Sharman of Monksilver Nursery in Cottenham, Cambridgeshire to be propagated and at this years International Galanthus Gala, which was staged at Myddelton House last weekend a bulb from the new breed was proudly auctioned and raised £150!
It is planned that the variety should be commercially available as soon as it can be propagated in sufficient numbers, the copyright is held by the Lee Valley Regional Park Authority, the owners of Myddelton House, and the Regional Park will receive royalties on every bulb sold.
The International Galanthus Gala attracted over 300 visitors on Saturday afternoon from Germany, Ireland, the Netherlands as well as from all over Britain."
(For more information contact Neal Grant, Lee Valley Regional Park Authority on 01992 709830, (M) 07785 303718, (E) ngrant@leevalleypark.org.uk
Lee Valley Regional Park stretches 26 miles along the course of the River Lee from Ware in Hertfordshire to East India Dock Basin on the Thames. The Park’s 10,000 acres comprises of a mix of heritage sites, nature reserves and open green spaces and sports facilities)
I've attached these photos of this very pretty snowdrop, taken by John Finch last year at an RHS London Show(where it was awarded a Preliminary Commendation by the RHS) and posted just over a year ago in the forum....
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It is planned that the variety should be commercially available as soon as it can be propagated in sufficient numbers, the copyright is held by the Lee Valley Regional Park Authority, the owners of Myddelton House, and the Regional Park will receive royalties on every bulb sold.
Ups, They give me some time to collect the money over the next 5 years. That`s OK, I mean! ;)
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I have received this press release from the Lee Valley Regional Park Authority who run Myddleton House......
News Release
17th February 2009
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It is planned that the variety should be commercially available as soon as it can be propagated in sufficient numbers, the copyright is held by the Lee Valley Regional Park Authority, the owners of Myddelton House, and the Regional Park will receive royalties on every bulb sold......
Can you copyright a bulb??!?? Does the person who paid £150 for one also have to pay royalties if she manages to bulk it up and then sells some of the offsets?
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Can you copyright a bulb??!?? Does the person who paid £150 for one also have to pay royalties if she manages to bulk it up and then sells some of the offsets?
Yes, and yes. It must have been registered under the Plant Breeders' Rights legislation, which works in a similar way to copyright, provided the plant or bulb is genuinely distinctive and hasn't been offered for sale before registration.
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Sorry, meant to say that obviously the plant or bulb must be new as well as distinctive.
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I wonder if John had copyright on the photograph?
Paddy
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Martin, copyright for plants is known. I think to hosta JUNE. But are there other galanthus with copyright too? For snowdrops I hear it the first time.
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In fact, with Plant Breeders Rights, the copyright is actually on the NAME, I believe.... that is to say, if you have a plant that is so protected, you may propagate it, but you may NOT sell or distribute the cuttings/offsets etc as THAT plant. So the person with their £150 E.A. Bowles' may not pass on any bulbs under that name .... they could only be Galanthus plicatus Poculiform Group. ..... that's my understanding of the matter.
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Maggie, I'm really puzzled about this. So the hundreds of snowdrop growers who either swap or sell to each other are breaking the law under Plant Breeders Rights? If not, what in simple terms is the difference between selling eg Diggory and EA Bowles?
And if the buyer of EAB wanted to sell some bulked-up offsets in the future, to whom should they send their royalty payment - and how much do they send?
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In fact, with Plant Breeders Rights, the copyright is actually on the NAME, I believe.... that is to say, if you have a plant that is so protected, you may propagate it, but you may NOT sell or distribute the cuttings/offsets etc as THAT plant. So the person with their £150 E.A. Bowles' may not pass on any bulbs under that name .... the' could only be Galanthus plicatus Poculiform Gorup. ..... that's my understanding of the matter.
That's a different scheme, under which you can register what amount to 'trade names' for plants to use for marketing purposes in the mass market, and those names are often different to the plant's original cultivar name, so that effectively the same plant can have two names.
Under the Plant Breeders' Rights scheme, it's the actual plant that is effectively copyright. Any private gardener can of course propagate the plant for their own garden or to give away to other gardeners. But no-one is allowed to sell propagated plants, either under the plant's proper name or under any other name - otherwise there'd be no point in the scheme, as anyone could propagate and sell the protected plant just by giving it a different name.
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Martin, you just described exactly what I said .........
It is the name which is protected and for the use of which royalties must be paid.
Steve, propagation by a person for private use is not prohibited.
the question of royalties only applies when a plant has been officially registered under plant breeder's rights...... and few plants have been.
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Anyone who wants to sell the protected plant must have a licencing agreement with the person who owns the rights to the plant, and pay a royalty to them. The legislation was aimed at protecting the rights of plant breeders who have put a lot of work into raising new varieties, but of course it applies even if someone just finds a new plant self-sown in their garden; it doesn't have to have been deliberately bred.
The legislation only applies to plan ts or bulbs where someone has paid (a lot of money in fees) to register their plant breeder rights to a plant, and it must be a brand new cultivar. No-one can claim rights to exisiting plants already being marketed and sold.
Hagen, this is the first time I've heard of a snowdrop being registered for plant breeder rights. But I'm not surprised; it's has a lot of commercial potential.
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And if the buyer of EAB wanted to sell some bulked-up offsets in the future, to whom should they send their royalty payment - and how much do they send?
I have no idea... I do know that w hen one buys a plant which has been so registered thatere is a logo attached to the label stating that is is registered.... I imagine that wholesale growers know which plants are subject to these registrations and must make their application to purchase permission to use the name and pay the agreed fee. Probably there is a website which tells all about such things.... ::) ???
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Sorry Maggi but I think we're saying different things. You said that the plant could be sold as Poculiformis Group but not as EA Bowles. I'm saying that (without a licence) you can't sell the plant under any name, EA Bowles, Poculiformis Group or any other name. Not if the plants is registered for plant breeders rights.
If the plant is not registered for plant breeder rights, and someone has registered a trade name for that cultivar, then yes you can sell the plant under its normal cultivar name, but you can't sell it under the registered trade name.
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I see what the difference is now, Martin between what we are saying...... I must look into the matter more closely.
Here are some interesting links on the subject....
http://www.defra.gov.uk/planth/pvs/pbr/index.htm
http://www.defra.gov.uk/planth/pvs/guides/pbrguide-20050317.pdf
http://www.defra.gov.uk/planth/pvs/guides/pvsact-20050317.pdf
http://www.defra.gov.uk/planth/pvs/guides/feesnlt1.pdf
http://www.niab.com/services/plant-breeders-rights/pbr-ornamental.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variety_(plant)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultivar#Trade_designations_and_.22selling_names.22
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_breeders'_right
A quote from a website on the subject...
"The practice of patent protection (legally protecting) is an important tool to encourage the development of new useful cultivars; "protected cultivars" are the result of deliberate breeding programs and selection activity by nurseries and plant breeders, and are often the result of years of work. "Plant patents" and "plant breeder's rights" (which can be expensive to obtain) are means for the breeder or inventor to obtain financial reward for their work.[4]
With plants produced by genetic engineering becoming more widely used, the companies producing these plants (or plants produced by traditional means) often claim a patent on their product. Plants so controlled retain certain rights that accrue not to the grower, but to the firm or agency that engineered the variety.
Some plants are often labeled "PBR", which stands for "plant breeders' rights", or "PVR", which stands for "plant variety rights." It is illegal in countries that obey international law to harvest seeds from a patented "variety" except for personal use. Other means of legal protection include the use of trade marked names whereby the name the plant is sold under is trademarked, but the plant itself not protected. Trademarking a name is inexpensive and requires less work, while patents can take a few years to be granted and have a greater expense. Some previously named cultivars have been renamed and sold under trademarked names.
In horticulture, plants that are patented or trade marked are often licensed to large wholesalers that multiply and distribute the plants to retail sellers. The wholesalers pay a fee to the patent or trade mark holders for each plant sold, those plants that are patented are labeled with "It's unlawful to propagate this plant" or a similar phrase. Typically the license agreement specifies that a plant must be sold with a tag thus marketed to help ensure that unlawfully produced plants are not sold. The use of plant patents is considered unethical by some people. "
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Back to events, here are two photographs from today's RHS show in London.
The first one was on the Avon Bulbs stand, a snowdrop called 'Green Tear', which is the greenest snowdrop I have ever seen. The second, 'Ronald McKenzie' was on display for judging.
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Two lovely flowers, Alan. Well photographed. Many thanks for posting.
Paddy
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Good grief. Superb. Seems I've a long way to go to catch up with all my wants and desires. ;D
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Oh dear Alan, its not fair, I want both of them :o Is R. Mckenzie a yellow gracilis ?
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Oh dear Alan, its not fair, I want both of them :o Is R. Mckenzie a yellow gracilis ?
Either a yellow gracilis or a hybrid with so much gracilis blood that it looks like a gracilis, I believe. Certainly applanate leaves.
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…..My day started at 7.30am as usual, sitting in front of a desk in London WC1. My mind could not concentrate on my computer coding as I knew that only a few hours remained until I would be attending the first RHS London show of 2009.
This year the RHS have decided that monthly shows are not to be!… and just 5 London shows a year is the way to go. I have been concerned since reading about the reduction in the number of monthly London shows as I have always looked forward to getting out of the office once a month to relieve my S.A.D. January seemed particularly long without an afternoon off work to attend.
I am surprised to say, but I think the new format for the show worked well. There were more exhibitors than usual and there was a real buzz to the day. Both the Lawrence Hall and Lindley Hall were in use and I met many interesting people.
Arriving at midday I immediately met up with Alan who pointed out Avon bulb's 'G. Green Tear' - a wonderful drop indeed. Not yet for sale.
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The next drop to catch my eye was a lovely G. Plicatus Byzantinus named 'Conquest' which was on the Broadleigh display.
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Next I had a chat with Joe Sharman, I couldn't help but notice the collection of Galanthus in his button hole. Among them was 'floccon de neige' - I have never been quite sure of this flower from the photographs - but in the flesh... WOW! What a little beauty.
A tap on my shoulder and I met my second Forum member of the day - JohnW from Nova Scotia. This seemed a good point to stop for a coffee so John, his partner and I left the throng and found a nearby coffee shop for a relaxing chat. It was then time to return to the halls - for the plants being considered behind closed doors by the joint rock committee to be displayed on the dais to the hoi polloi. Unfortunately the Halls do not have the best lighting so any photos are rather hard work (here are a few pictures that turned out ok).
G. Ronald Mackenzie
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The card that accompanied G. Ronald Mackenzie (nivalis?)
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G. Diggory
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G. reginae olgae 'John Marr'
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Foxgrove display
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Avon display
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Broadleigh display
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Cheers
John
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G. Ronald Mackenzie
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The card that accompanied G. Ronald Mackenzie (nivalis?)
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Cheers
John
I don't think nivalis comes in that pattern, green or yellow. As Martin says, it must be mostly gracilis?
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Thanks John for a trip round the London Show. Nearly tempted to come, but the good weather meant gardening had to take priority.
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I now see what you mean about Conquest John, another lovely addition. Thanks for the visual treat.
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John,
What would we do without you. Obviously, I can't run out of the office to attend the London Shows but in the last few years I can enjoy the highlights from your photographs.
G. 'Ronald McKenzie' is the one I most like from the photographs posted and G. 'Conquest' would be a second choice. 'RMcK' is simply a dote, beautifully shaped and nicely marked.
Have you ever tried daylight bulbs to help with your S.A.D.? Apparently, they work quite well. Personally, I am sad the whole year through regardless of light levels.
Many thanks, John.
Paddy
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I don't think nivalis comes in that pattern, green or yellow. As Martin says, it must be mostly gracilis?
'Ronald Mackenzie' has been described as a yellow version of 'Daglingworth', which is either pure gracilis or a gracilis hybrid found growing naturalised in woodland (the finder, the late Ruth Birchall, told me not in 'wild' woodland as was generally believed but within the grounds of a building, so obviously planted there within recent years, presumably as imported elwesii/graciclis bulbs). I assume this yellow version was found in the same place. Looks like someone assumed that it must be a nivalis variant if it was found as a 'wild' seedling as the card says. I'm pretty sure it's gracilis.
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Oops! Accidentally mis-spelled Ron Mackenzie's name in that last post. It is of course 'Ronald Mackenzie', not 'Makenzie'.
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Thanks for the show pics John, I wish I'd stayed in the SE and gone to it. As it was I went home via the A303 and M5 and got stuck for 3 hours when they closed the motorway one junction before mine >:( >:( :-X because of a lorry fire.
I had visitors coming for dinner and instead of getting home at 5.30 it was 8.30 and then I had to cook a 3 course gordon blue. I just kept the bottle going round.
Daglingworth is out in my garden at the mo and is a bit fatter than R McK. Gracilis forms and vars are somehow very graceful looking. I wonder how long we'll have to wait for it to become available.
And there I was all pleased with my plants from the gala, now I'm craving again ;D ;D
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'Ronald Mackenzie' was listed in Ron's The Snowdrop Company catalogue this year at £50. It'll probably be sold out by now for this season as he said he had limited stock. Maybe he'll offer it again next year.
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Thanks Martin. Is The Snowdrop Company online or do I need to send for a list ? I googled it but didn't find a website :(
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Hi Jo
any of these types of questions it is always worth doing a search on SRGC in addition to the major search engines - I just say this as I know I asked this question on here in 2006, and Rob asked it in 2007 or 8. I would guess that a search on the old or new forum would come up with some info.
You need to write with SAE for a catalogue:
Dr R Mackenzie
The Snowdrop Company
Barn Cottage
Shilton
Oxon
OX18 4AB
When I first wrote for the catalogue I got it at this time of year with a nice note explaining that most things were sold out - but they did manage to find me a Primrose Warberg even though I was very late with my order. :D
Regards
John
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Thanks for the lovely pictures of the RHS show John. Wish I lived closer & could attend the RHS shows more easily.
I love 'Green Tear' especially. I live about 25miles from Avon Bulbs so perhaps Alan may let me have a peek at it in the flesh.
Do you think the snowdrops are grown in pots for the show or are the clumps dug from the open ground & potted?
I'm beginning to think a lot of growers have their specials in pots. Several ebay sellers mention that 'the bulb will be taken from the pot it is growing in'.
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Hi Mike
I have often wondered about that myself and had decided that they must all be pot grown.
Then yesterday I was chatting to Ronald Mackenzie about one of his show plants and said that I doubted it would look so good if it was growing in the ground - he told me that he had dug it up out of his garden soil the previous day. So now I am not sure what the norm is. :-\
Looking at the plants yesterday they all looked perfect so maybe it is a case of choosing what looks best whether it be in the ground or in a pot. 8)
Cheers
John
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Maybe galanthus are forgiving about being dug up and repotted and do not suffer total collapse as many plants would if given this type of treatment..... but what would you do if you left it to the last minute like that and then you had a deep frost or a foot of snow????
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but what would you do if you left it to the last minute like that and then you had a deep frost or a foot of snow????
I guess you wouldn't show it! ::) ;D
John
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Thank you all for the superb pictures very interesting to see so many different snowdrops. I am pleased to say nearly all the snow has dissapeared and it has been warm today, can't believe I am complaining that it is warm. I post here several Galanthus pictures most are G. plicatus but some are hybrid crosses with G. nivalis. I realy do like the different leaves especially the blue ones. cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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Thanks for the pictures Ian.
I particularly like the strange 'X' on 0051.
Regards
John
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The couple of Snowdrops I recently collected from Matt Bishop at the Garden House and posted on to Anthony Darby were actually dug out of the garden by Matt whilst I waited. I'm almost sure he waited until my back was turned to look at some Hellebores before he plunged in the fork, thus ensuring I couldn't come back and dig some of my own at a later date :P
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Yes, the good X in No 51 is very nice and I also like the one at right centre of No 37.
All good looking snowdrops though Ian and look like they would make good garden plants.
Paddy
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Definitely not that kind of person but he might have been wary having not met you before
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Thanks for the lovely pictures of the RHS show John. Wish I lived closer & could attend the RHS shows more easily.
I love 'Green Tear' especially. I live about 25miles from Avon Bulbs so perhaps Alan may let me have a peek at it in the flesh.
Do you think the snowdrops are grown in pots for the show or are the clumps dug from the open ground & potted?
I'm beginning to think a lot of growers have their specials in pots. Several ebay sellers mention that 'the bulb will be taken from the pot it is growing in'.
Some growers, and not just commercial ones, favour the use of lattice pots buried in the ground or in sand. These pots
are the sort sold for use in ponds. One obvious advantage is that you can be sure where your bulbs are. There may be other advantages in preventing the spread of pests or diseases.
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Definitely not that kind of person but he might have been wary having not met you before
It was said in jest Mark. But he couldn't have failed to be captivated :-[
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... and I also like the one at right centre of No 37.
What does that mark remind me of? A wishbone? A divining rod? The Eiffel Tower? It's not too far off being the letter A: now that would be a snowdrop I would like!
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Hi again, these are for everyone who likes the cross marks Gal. plicatus, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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I think Ian is blowing kisses at us? :-*
I still have a hankering after the pure species, especially as some of them flower so much later. No sign of krasnovii yet, and I remember having it in flower at a previous bulb show. :-\
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I don't know if this is of any interest to you - but my local place is having a snowdrop opening this weekend.
The website lists the cultivars they grow (under 'List of Plants'), so you can decide if its worth the effort..
(I wouldn't know what was worth getting excited about - having spent £10 for some fancy yellow thing eons ago that fizzled out after 5yrs I rather lost interest!!) ;)
http://www.evenleywoodgarden.co.uk/
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The couple of Snowdrops I recently collected from Matt Bishop at the Garden House and posted on to Anthony Darby were actually dug out of the garden by Matt whilst I waited. I'm almost sure he waited until my back was turned to look at some Hellebores before he plunged in the fork, thus ensuring I couldn't come back and dig some of my own at a later date :P
Where would you conceal the fork ;D
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The couple of Snowdrops I recently collected from Matt Bishop at the Garden House and posted on to Anthony Darby were actually dug out of the garden by Matt whilst I waited. I'm almost sure he waited until my back was turned to look at some Hellebores before he plunged in the fork, thus ensuring I couldn't come back and dig some of my own at a later date :P
Where would you conceal the fork ;D
Down his forkin' trousers. ;D
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That's a nice selection, Ian.
Will I see any of you at Margaret's on Sunday? I know Martin is going
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Anthony you are an absolute HOOT...........I can't stop tittering at you being so forkin' nawty!
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Yesterday we visited Olive Mason's garden in Worcestershire. The garden was open under the NGS scheme for the last 2 days. Olive is a friend and a long time galanthophile with a collection a great many hybrids and species and is also an excellent all round plantswoman with lots of other interesting plants to give interest and structure throughout the season. I took a few shots but spent most of the time talking to friends. Here are a few photos from the visit
There was one Snowdrop called "Nothing Special" - a lie if ever I heard one - it was rather nice. She also had a seedling which had 6 outers and was large enough to see from space a real biggie. Perhaps it might be Mr Thompson ::)
For those of you that like the Trymm types she had rather a lot of seedlings and I show a picture of part of the drift.
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Ian, it`s a pleasure to look for these fine drops on good pics. Such a lot of little Tryms, fantastic.
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Folks, I'll post another reminder here to please post the file names of the photos in your text, otherwise the search engine cannot find them.
Thank you!
And, for new readers.......... click the pix to enlarge them.... 8)
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Ian
great pics - I agree that 'nothing special' is in fact 'special' I have 3 flowers on my little clump of it and it is one that I am really enjoying this week.
And all those little tryms - wonderful. ;D
Regards
John
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Yes Mark see you at Margaret's. Have to drop into Ashwood's on way to collect a yellow/yellow Hellebore.
John(M)
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The weather looks like it will be good all day. In fact the weekend is to be good and days I need to be at home to photograph my beauties
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Who's all going to the event in Dunblane on Saturday?
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Mmmm. Guess you and I'll be drinking a lot of soup then Maggi? ;D
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No fears, Anthony..... I'm coming with 27 chums on a coach from Aberdeen .... we'll get through a fair bit of soup I reckon :D
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there's a bus load coming from Holland too. :o
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The more the merrier..... just hope there is enough soup......... ???
I hope quite a few are giving thought to the opportunity to buy one of the lovely paintings by Lawrence Greenwood or Keith Brockie which are up for auction..... 8)
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Should I put a bit of shredded root ginger in the sweet potato, red pepper and coconut soup Maggi? :-\
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Should I put a bit of shredded root ginger in the sweet potato, red pepper and coconut soup Maggi? :-\
Oh crikey.... and there I was, hoping for ham and lentil........
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I'm sure there'll some of that too. I'm also making leek, potato, parsnip and carrot soup (in one pan).
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I'm also making leek, potato, parsnip and carrot soup (in one pan).
We call that Vegetable Soup, Anthony.... saves time and printing ink on the menus, too ;)
Ian says he's game for the shredded root ginger in the sweet potato, red pepper and coconut soup, by the way.
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I make an interesting thick pea soup Lancashire style, made from dried peas. I'll mail you a block. ;D
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Souper. ;D
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Ca va?
Back from Ann Borrill's nice alpine garden in Norfolk, just as good as Brian promised and all the better for warm sunshine. David Quinton and Alan Briggs completed an SRGC gang of three. The garden demonstrated that you don't need rolling acres and huge clumps for a good snowdrop display.
Yesterday at Colesborne grey and overcast by comparison, but the snowdrops were in brilliant form. Here are a few pics. The clump of The Bride hasn't really shown any vigour for the past three years. The "undecided" is my label and not official. The "pot" is included because someone there had gone to a lot of trouble and it makes a smashing pic.
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Jings. We'll get Mark to identify them all. ;D
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Ca va?
Back from Ann Borrill's nice alpine garden in Norfolk, just as good as Brian promised and all the better for warm sunshine. David Quinton and Alan Briggs completed an SRGC gang of three. The garden demonstrated that you don't need rolling acres and huge clumps for a good snowdrop display.
Here's the photographic evidence!
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Maggie it's me inside the rather bright patchwork jacket in photos 3 and 5 at the gala. I guess it is sometimes more comfortable on 'the other side' of the sales tables.
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Here's the photographic evidence!
Another funny picture - it looks like a scene from an old black and white comedy where someone kneels down behind someone who then gets pushed over them resulting in lots of laughter. ;D
The reason I have come up to Norfolk was originally to be at Ann's yesterday and it would be have been great to meet Steve for the first time. But Brian has managed to arrange so many exciting things for me to do that involve his long suffering driver ferrying us from one end of the county to the other. So doing it in a sensible order means we shall be at Ann's this morning instead. Lets hope the sun shines as well as it did for you three yesterday.
Best wishes
John
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I have just noticed myself on the Gala 5 pic (brown coat). I'm Lynda Hinton from Stroud. I've only posted once before.
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The Curtis' family garden at Haconby in Lincolnshire is open, for NGS, today and tomorrow. A beautiful cottage garden with lots of unusual and interesting snowdrops, also excellent tea and cakes (you have to get your priorities right here).
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Brandy Mount House, home to one of the National Collections of Snowdrops, is having an open garden this weekend. I went there today in glorious warm sunny weather, but it is open again on Sunday (so you still have time to go). Whilst I was there I photographed an unusual pairing, two things that you don't usually see together.
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Hi, Carole and Lynda..... good to "meet" you properly !! 8)
Let's hear more from you both....... 8)
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I have just returned from what must be my most exciting snowdrop travels ever. Friday morning I was up at the crack of dawn (well actually I was up 3 hours before the crack of dawn! ::)) and caught the 5.30am London bound train from Kent. By 9.30am I was meeting with Brian Ellis and his partner at Norwich railway station in Norfolk. The next 48 hours Brian had organised to perfection and involved me sitting back enjoying a chauffeur driven exploration of 6 wonderful Norfolk locations crammed full of interesting Galanthus and even more interesting people. In all I visited 5 private gardens and the former Greatorex garden which is now preserved woodland - of course I was blindfolded and sworn to secrecy for this part of the trip! ;) ;D
I was relieved to find that Brian and David enjoy their food as much as I do so the tour was interspersed with wonderful home cooked meals, and hearty pub lunches - I just wish I could have stayed with them until today as they are off to a garden club this afternoon for a cream tea. :P Mmmmmm.....cream tea. :P
I shall start with some general shots and known flowers taken during the 5 garden visits:
The view that greeted me through Brian's front window on Saturday morning (a bit better than the terraced house covered in 1970's stone cladding that greets me in Kent each morning!)
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The neighbour's cat, called 'Jazz', thinks I can't see her hiding behind a blade of grass! ::)
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Carpet of aconites
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Fairy Rings?
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A fused South Hayes
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Chadwick's Cream (bloody difficult to photograph - the colours look all wrong - but in the flesh - Wow!) I have laid a normal nivalis double in the background to try and show the difference - but it still doesn't show just how creamy it really is.
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Cheers
John
To be continued.....
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Next came the Greatorex plot, which is where Heyrick Greatorex lived and bred snowdrops, kept chickens etc. The house was demolished and the garden reverted to woodland which is now looked after by a local naturalist society.
This is where the Greatorex doubles were all bred and, as I am sure you can imagine, the gene pool here makes for some interesting seedlings - I believe the most recent find from this 'woodland' to make it into cultivation is 'Greenfinch'.
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This was out small gang of eagle eyed enthusiasts:
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The woodland
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While there we spotted some other nicely marked specimens:
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The was also some rather nice '4 petal' genes in evidence:
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Cheers
John
To be continued.....
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John, we will send you to all gardens and galas. Your pics are fantastic. You have the view for the silence beauties. First time I see CHATWICK CREAM. Thank you
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Finally - some pictures of a few 'new finds', some of them still un-named.
An un-named pagoda / egret type (I have a real soft spot for this petal form :P)
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A 'grumpy' type elwesii called 'smiley'
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An un-named nivalis poculiformis 'Poculiformis Mark Solomon' (the best example I have seen of this - extremely regular, shapely flowers on every flower in the clump)
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Swanton
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Wishbone
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a 2 petal flower - will it be stable next year?....
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A sport of Angelique (half the size and something quite endearing about it)
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Hope you have all found the posts of my excursions in Norfolk interesting.
Many thanks to Brian Ellis and David for arranging such an enjoyable weekend. ;D
Cheers
John
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stunning, John
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Great picture John thanks for sharing. Must have been a great trip 8)
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You're too kind, and it was a pleasure. Wasn't Chadwick Cream amazing! Great photos John.
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Looks a great trip John, thanks for sharing.
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John,
A great set of photographs from what was obviously a great weekend, good company, good food and excellent snowdrops. What more could you ask for?
The poculiformed nivalis you showed is outstanding, very regular and without a mark as far as I can see. Beautiful!
I also like the looks of 'Wishbone' but think 'Swanton' is pure ugliness.
Paddy
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What super pictures, John.
I notice something in particular about the people in these photos, in contrast to some of the other 'drop outings we've seen....... big smiles ..... 8) A pleasure to see a bunch of happy 'drop fiends out enjoying the flowers in nature. What a joy to have good friends. :D
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So it is Maggi, Your female seventh sense. Next year I should go to Brian & Co. So I like galanthophile, relaxed and smiling and not over-hasty and moneymaking.
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I saw some snowdrops smiling also.
Paddy
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I saw a picture with Paddy and Mark, both smiling. Paddy we have Euro our time has come. ;D
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Hagen,
As you know and practice, snowdrops and gardens are for enjoyment, pleasure, friendships and smiles.
Paddy
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John - you'll always get a warm welcome in Norfolk. Some of us only came for a short stay and never left!
Recognised more than 1 or 2 faces and I know who has fairies at the bottom of their orchard garden too :-X
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Yes Tobby I had a smile on my lips, when I saw Johns beautiful pics. Now I wait for LADY MOORE, want to present her a little smile. Here we have 30cm snow. But next week..... :)(It`s a smiley)
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I'm Home! :D
Three days of snowdrops and 100s of photos to edit. Soo many goodies bought, begged, borrowed, stole. The last word is a joke! ;D
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Hagen,
Here is a photograph of G. 'Lady Moore' taken yesterday in the garden. Hopefully, it will grow well for you.
Paddy
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Paddy she looks like a reeal lady and a beauty too
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Ian,
I'm delighted with it. I had seen only one in flower here in the garden last year and then received a lot of bulbs from the lady who has kept it going since 1940 when she, with her mother, received bulbs from Lady Moore. These are now in flower here and have transferred with no obvious losses. I can spare a bulb if you wish.
Paddy
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Paddy, I can hear, how the bells ringing. Noble
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Thank you Paddy such an elegant looking drop . I will email you separately
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Finally - some pictures of a few 'new finds', some of them still un-named.....
.......An un-named nivalis poculiformis (the best example I have seen of this - extremely regular, shapely flowers on every flower in the clump)
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I have heard that this drop is now known as 'poculiformis Mark Solomon' (and is being sold on ebay as I type)
John
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Hi John that poc looks a lot like 'Moreton Mill'. This clump was at Margaret Owen's last Sunday.
What a wonderful collection she has, hundreds of different varieties all growing like mad, and a nice man with a fork digging them up for reasonable remuneration.
I expect there were limits, I didn't test them cos the sales bench easily cleared out what was left of my spending money. ( Except for Basil Smiths hellebores later that day, but thats a different genus ::) )
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Hi John that poc looks a lot like 'Moreton Mill'. This clump was at Margaret Owen's last Sunday.
What a wonderful collection she has, hundreds of different varieties all growing like mad, and a nice man with a fork digging them up for reasonable remuneration.
Jo, you're going to make me cry! My car broke down on the way to Margaret Owen's on Sunday so I didn't make it there. The Fates seem to conspire to keep me away from brilliant snowdrop days and fellow growers. :( I'd have loved to have seen 'Moreton Mill' in the flesh.
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Hi Jo
it is pretty damn close isn't it! :o
I shall ask the person who found 'Mark Solomon' where it was found.
Margaret's day sounds great - What did the nice man dig up for you? (Did the nice man have an Irish accent?)
Cheers
John
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Poor Martin :( :'( :'( it was inspiring, I don't know how many forumists made it. There was so much to see and it was really crowded. Had a good chat with Mark, Bob and Margaret.
The thing I liked most about it was that it was all for Shrewsbury Multiple Sclerosis Club. So when I bought 'Godfrey Owen' they just asked me to make out the cheque directly to the charity.
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I didn't ask for anything specifically but was at the packing bench as Godfrey Owen came in so was lucky to get one .
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Lucky you! I was packing and didnt get one. :'(
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:-[ :-[Sorry Mark :)
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and a nice man with a fork digging them up for reasonable remuneration.
I should point out that although the garden owner was lifting plants and giving some away the 'nice man' was following her instructions on what to lift. These were brought to the packing shed/sales room to be bagged in single bulb or multiple bulbs depending on the variety. The total raised from snowdrops and food was over £4000 all going to MS - not me!
One snowdrop was lifted by mistake either his or her mistake and sold as 'Merlin'. It obviously wasnt but is a very nice tall elwesii with two tiny marks and no notch
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Not only for the German lurkers
Galanthus - Treffen 2009
der Gartenbotanischen Vereinigung
27. Februar bis 1. März 2009
in Hotel Haus Nicklass
Künzelsauer Str. 1
74653 Ingelfingen
All galanthophile are welcome
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Are there any UK events on this weekend? Or is it all over now until 2009?
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we're (Benington Lordship) still open today & tomorrow 12 - 4 and unusually for our last weekend the drops all still look lovely :)
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We are just about to go to the Moray Group snowdrop walk. Three local 'big houses' and their gardens. It should have been held two weeks ago but the access roads were blocked by snow. This morning is wonderfully sunny. Maybe put some pictures up later.