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Title: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Lvandelft on September 07, 2008, 10:19:40 PM
Hello all,
after enjoying a 3 weeks holiday in Austria with very good weather and back with masses of pictures I hope you don't mind when I show some of them here.
In the first batch some of the little village where we stayed and had a good look at
the Niedere Tauern and some pictures I made in the village.

Austria                           
Austria Bauerngarten
Austria Bauerngarten 1                   
Euphrasia                   
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Lvandelft on September 07, 2008, 10:21:30 PM
Then some of the many beautyful houses and a picture of a Phlox paniculata
which I saw in a garden.
The lady there told me, her grandmother did already have it in her garden.
So must be a variety from the time before the great development in Phlox culture,
in the early  twentieth age.

Austria nice house                 
Austria old house               
Phlox paniculata               

More to come.
Title: Re: Central Austia, August 2008
Post by: art600 on September 07, 2008, 11:44:38 PM
Luit

More please :)
Title: Re: Central Austia, August 2008
Post by: Armin on September 08, 2008, 09:21:18 AM
Luit,
I agree with Arthur -please show us more ;)
Title: Re: Central Austia, August 2008
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on September 08, 2008, 09:24:57 AM
Welcome home Luit !  ;D

Very good start... but it will be clear now that we all want more.. ;D
Title: Re: Central Austia, August 2008
Post by: ranunculus on September 08, 2008, 09:36:08 AM
Super images Luit.  Many thanks.
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Katherine J on September 08, 2008, 09:46:11 AM
Beautiful views, thank you.
That Phlox looks so healthy.
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Lvandelft on September 08, 2008, 01:10:18 PM
O.k. here are some more pictures then.

Beautiful views, thank you.
That Phlox looks so healthy.
Kathrin, that's just what I thought. But above 1000 m. Phlox are not so
susceptible to mildew, or other typical Phlox-deseases.

Last year we were living for some weeks in the same little village. You'll understand that I,
as a gardener always am looking for some interesting plants or gardens.
I saw some small "rockgardens", like you might see many in mountain areas.
This year I made some pictures which I show here.
(The first one was in Filzmoos near the Dachstein)
Rockgarden 1                 
Rockgarden 2                 
Rockgarden 3     

(later some more, have to fix some pictures to the right size!)
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Lvandelft on September 08, 2008, 04:10:13 PM
So, when making a little walk in this small (some 500 people counting) village,
I looked at a man working in his garden. Nothing special, but my eyes were
attracted by a heap of collected rocks under an appletree.
The man told me that it was his rockgarden and asked me what I found of it.
I told him what my profession had been and where I lived.
Now he complained that his plants in this "rockery" were not doing well.
I asked him, taking care not offending him, if he ever saw a mountain under an
appletree.
Next day I came back to make a picture of the place, but the man had taken all
the stones away and cleaned the place....?

This year I made my round through the village again and had a look at the same
garden.
Under the appletree was now a lawn and edged by a narrow bed with some
big rocks standing between Sempervivum.
On the other side of the drive in full sun  was made a new, and even bigger, "rockery".
I did not see the man, but I think he has made some tribute to a Dutchman,
gratefull for my advice, where to make a rockgarden.
I must admit that he did his work with great skill, as the pictures show.                 

Rockgarden 4                   
Rockgarden 5             
Rockgarden 6               
Rockgarden 7             
Rockgarden 8                   
Rockgarden 9                 
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Brian Ellis on September 08, 2008, 05:58:16 PM
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That Phlox looks so healthy.

Indeed phlox is susceptible to eelworm etc, if you want to rejuvenate your clump take tip cuttings early in the season and they will have no sign of eelworm when they grow on (unless of course it is in another area of the ground!).
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Gerdk on September 08, 2008, 06:26:36 PM
Luit,
Fantastic, the type of  rockgarden no 4, respectively 5 is called 'Gespickter Rehrücken ' here in Germany.
This means it looks like a saddle of venison garnished with back bacon. There are so much variations to build a rockgarden ;D ;D ;D

Gerd
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Lvandelft on September 09, 2008, 09:14:18 AM
A special experience for me was a trip to the Dachstein.
Before my heartproblems I used to walk always up and down and never considered this
until I saw the posts of our forumist Johannes Höller this year in the Austrian mountains!
Thanks for that, Johannes!
The weather was nice, but up the mountain the sight was not clear enough to see
as far as the Triglav in Slovenia. But many other mountains were visible, including
Grossglockner.
The Cablestation is on 1700 m and it takes some minutes up to 2700 m.
The snow on the glacier was very wet and very slippery to walk and this time of
year not many flowering plants were to see.
I have made so many pictures and hope I made the right choice.
Here is the first batch:

Dachstein 01
Dachstein up 1                 
Dachstein up 2                 
Dachstein up 3                 
Dachstein up 4           
Dachstein Glacier
Dachstein Glacier 2             
Dachstein Glacier 3       
Dachstein Feeling small
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on September 09, 2008, 08:36:40 PM
It's good to see our intrepid mountaineer back in the flatlands ;D Lovely pictures Luit, more please.
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Lvandelft on September 09, 2008, 09:01:17 PM
On one of the terraces was a place where we could stand on a glass and look
at least 700 m. right down. A strange experience because you cannot see how thick
this glass is. Nothing for people with fear of height.
I made some pictures of plants (without flowers) too, because I found it interesting to see how
they managed to stay alive at these heights.

Dachstein Looking down 
Dachstein Looking down 2             
Dachstein Looking down 3       
Dachstein Looking down 4     
Dachstein Looking down 5
Dachstein plants
Dachstein plants 2               
Dachstein plants 3               
Dachstein plants 4               
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Lvandelft on September 09, 2008, 09:09:51 PM
It's good to see our intrepid mountaineer back in the flatlands ;D Lovely pictures Luit, more please.

I'm glad too David! Would like to stay longer there, but with all the rain here the weeds
were taking over our place. So have to work a lot now.  ::) ::)

The last pics from Dachstein:

Dachstein descend 1           
Dachstein descend 2             
Dachstein descend 3       
Dachstein descend 4     

On our way back home we passed one of the oldest churches in the Upper Ennstal:
The catholic church in St. Rupert am Kulm dates back to Romanesque times.

Old Church Ramsau am Dachstein 

more to come later...

Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Lvandelft on September 10, 2008, 06:28:37 PM
Another day we headed again into the Upper Ennstal to visit the mountain
Stoderzinken near Gröbming where we could drive up to a big parking place.
Along the roadside in shady places we saw many Gentiana asclepiadea.
From the parkingplace we could easy walk to a place where was build a little chapel
on the rocks, the so-called Friedenskirche, built in1902.

Gentiana asclepiadea
Stoderzinken Ennstal     
Stoderzinken Friedenskirche 
Stoderzinken towards Dachstein                         
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Lvandelft on September 10, 2008, 06:33:17 PM
On our way to the chapel there were some flowers, but early in spring it must be
wonderful upthere, because I saw masses of Helleborus niger.

Scabiosa columbaria with alpine bee [Apis mellifera mellifera]           
Rhaponticum  ... ?
Stoderzinken  Orchid       
Senecio abrotanifolius 
Gentianela campestris or austriaca  ??                     
Linaria alpina                             
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Lvandelft on September 10, 2008, 06:39:36 PM
Some interesting plants were on or near big plain rocks:
Rocks                                   
Saxifraga on rocks                                       
Campanula cochleariifolia in rocks  (plant measuring not more than 2 cm.)
Campanula cochleariifolia
Potentilla caulescens 1                         
Potentilla caulescens 2                 
Potentilla caulescens 3                     
                                     
I never saw this Potentilla before and now hardly understand why it is not used more
in rockgardens, because it flowers when most flowers are over.
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Lvandelft on September 10, 2008, 06:43:04 PM
Near the parking were built some nice houses. Must be important people which
are allowed to built a second house in the middle of beautyful nature.
The good thing  (..) for these people is that they don't need a gardener when away...

Stoderzinken frontgarden
Stoderzinken frontgarden 2                                 
Stoderzinken frontgarden 3                                     
                                             
 Driving down I suddenly noticed something red, which I believed to be:
                                   
Atropa bella-donna    Edit:   so probably Lonicera alpigena  (L.)

I hope I am not wrong...
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Gerdk on September 10, 2008, 07:25:40 PM
Luit,
wonderful sights, interesting Potentilla!
Your Atropa bella-donna is a Lonicera species, probably L. alpigena.

Gerd
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Lvandelft on September 10, 2008, 10:41:32 PM
Luit,
wonderful sights, interesting Potentilla!
Your Atropa bella-donna is a Lonicera species, probably L. alpigena.
Gerd
Thank you Gerd!
I googled a little and it must be a Lonicera.
Both are plants, I have never seen, but these red berries made me think wrong!
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Katherine J on September 11, 2008, 07:50:18 AM
Beautiful pics showing beautiful places. And I like that you took pics also of gardens.  :)

Gentianella campestris has 4 petals, so this is probably austriaca...
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Lvandelft on September 11, 2008, 08:50:20 AM
Thank you Kathrine, I hope to remember that.


In the last two batches I show first some plants.
We drove over the Radstädter Tauernpass where I had to stop for
a Delphinium.
Then we visited the valley of Grossarl where I saw fields with Gentiana
asclepiadea. This time in full sun but always on the mountains North-side.
           
Delphinium elatum 1                   
Delphinium elatum 2             
Gentiana asclepiadea Grossarl 1         
Gentiana asclepiadea Grossarl 2           
Gentiana asclepiadea Grossarl 3       
Carlina acaulis     
Stoneman 
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Lvandelft on September 11, 2008, 08:53:45 AM
One of our last trips was to the Kölnbrein Sperre in the beautiful Maltatal in Carinthia.
Amazing to see the masses of Parnassia.
On most of our trips we were accompanied by some relatives of my wife.
The last picture shows some of them.
               
Maltatal 1                     
Maltatal 2                     
Maltatal moss                     
Parnassia palustris
Parnassia palustris 1               
Saxifraga aizoides             
Maltatal 3                             
Maltatal 4   
Good Company                     
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Thomas Huber on September 11, 2008, 12:57:17 PM
One of our last trips was to the Kölnbrein Sperre in the beautiful Maltatal in Carinthia.

Wonderful photos Luit! My brother has been in Maltatal, too on Sunday 31st of August
and was also very impressed!
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Lvandelft on September 11, 2008, 04:30:23 PM
Travelling back home to Holland we took the opportunity to make
a visit to Thomas Huber, as it was not far from our way.
We started off in the morning at Salzburg with 30° C. and when we arrived at Neustadt in the
afternoon it was raining and not more than 12° C. What a shock..!
We were very impressed by the way, how Thomas keeps his enormous Crocus
Collection on such a limited place.
His new rockgarden was just finished, but he wants first to wait with planting until
the weeds which for sure are coming up are removed.
Here some pictures.

Colchicum collection           
Crocus meadow               
Weeding   

When we were at Thomas place, he got a phonecall from forumist Gerd.
So next morning we decided to make a short visit there too.
And Gerd had propagated a plant for me, which we could right take home then.
Gerd's wife surprised us with a delicious meal.
Gerd has many interesting plants in his garden, so we had a lot to see and talk about.
I left with more than the one plant that I came for.
My wife made some pictures there:

Gerd's garden 1             
Gerd's garden 2         
Sternbergia sicula Dodona Gold
Heavy nice pots               
Taking plant
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on September 11, 2008, 05:00:38 PM
 I am so delighted to think of the forumists meeting up with each other and making these visits! 8)

(I have made a note of the fact that Frau Knoche is a good cook, also!! ;)   )
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Gerdk on September 11, 2008, 08:04:19 PM
I am so delighted to think of the forumists meeting up with each other and making these visits! 8)

(I have made a note of the fact that Frau Knoche is a good cook, also!! ;)   )


Maggi, unfortunately she's the BEST cook - please have a look at my waistline!   :'( :'( :'(

Gerd
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on September 11, 2008, 08:28:10 PM
Very nice of you to take us visiting both these prominent forumists Luit !  :D
Thanks very much... but you could have given Thomas a hand weeding...  ::)
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Lvandelft on September 11, 2008, 09:02:57 PM
Thanks very much... but you could have given Thomas a hand weeding...  ::)

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on September 11, 2008, 09:14:27 PM
I am so delighted to think of the forumists meeting up with each other and making these visits! 8)

(I have made a note of the fact that Frau Knoche is a good cook, also!! ;)   )


Maggi, unfortunately she's the BEST cook - please have a look at my waistline!   :'( :'( :'(

Gerd
Gerd, you are a lucky man!
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on September 11, 2008, 09:18:54 PM
Gerd, you have a lovely garden, and you too Thomas.
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Gerdk on September 12, 2008, 06:37:52 AM
Thanks for the compliments, also from the cook ;)

Gerd
Title: Re: Central Austria, August 2008
Post by: Paddy Tobin on September 12, 2008, 09:21:54 PM
Lovely garden, Gerd. Beautiful!

Many thanks for the photographs, Luit, or should I say many thanks to your wife?

I have enjoyed the whole set of photographs above very much, really a great set. A beautiful place.

Paddy
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