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Title: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: arillady on September 02, 2008, 10:12:18 AM
Thought I would show a few of the aril hybrids which are flowering at the moment.
On Thursday I select a few flowering stems to stage an exhibit at the Royal Adelaide Show with a short note about arils.
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: Maggi Young on September 02, 2008, 11:59:19 AM
Given the transient nature of most Iris blooms, Pat, it must be very tricky to get good show blooms .....wishing you the best of luck! :D
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: arillady on September 03, 2008, 12:14:30 AM
I picked a couple of blooms just opening last Tuesday and took them to Adelaide, showed them at the Iris meeting then brought them home again and they lasted till Saturday so I am timing the arrangement to last from Thursday to when I take more in on Tuesday to replace them - just means it will be that many blooms that will not be setting seed this year!!
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: Maggi Young on September 03, 2008, 11:10:38 AM
That's an impressive length of time for the blooms to last, Pat....makes your task easier than I suspected 8)
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: fermi de Sousa on September 04, 2008, 12:28:12 AM
It doesn't pay to read old magazines sometimes; I found an advert for someone selling iris including named Aril hybrids like "Beirut" for $2.50! Back in 1980 that might've seemed expensive!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: arillady on September 04, 2008, 09:23:17 AM
I picked 12 aril species hybrid stems and took them to the Adelaide Royal Show today with the thought that I would take a photo of the display but, guess what, yes - this dumb bunny forgot! I will try to remember on Tuesday when I replace the blooms with others to at least get a record of the display. Wonder if there will be any nibbles resulting from this?
Fermi Beirut is an arilbred as opposed to aril species hybrids.
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: Maggi Young on September 04, 2008, 11:07:47 AM
It doesn't pay to read old magazines sometimes; I found an advert for someone selling iris including named Aril hybrids like "Beirut" for $2.50! Back in 1980 that might've seemed expensive!
cheers
fermi
Been to the dentist, Fermi? ::)
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: fermi de Sousa on September 05, 2008, 03:16:50 AM
Fermi Beirut is an arilbred as opposed to aril species hybrids.
Well, I suppose that's not too bad then! But even Arilbreds seem to be hard to find.
It doesn't pay to read old magazines sometimes;
Been to the dentist, Fermi? ::)
Maggi, we keep a select range of items in the "reading room" :D
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: Paul T on September 05, 2008, 11:20:09 PM
Pat,

Every one of them is a stunner.  Remembering just how nice the arilbreds are, but without that wonderful delicacy that the species have.  Beautiful!!
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: arillady on September 08, 2008, 11:14:13 AM
Thought I would show you a few of the aril species hybrids flowering at the moment. Any starting with PT are my crosses with the year and the number.
Note the extra bit of growth on the lip of the first cross.
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: Maggi Young on September 08, 2008, 11:22:36 AM
Oh, Pat, these are lovely...... 8)
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: arillady on September 08, 2008, 12:35:52 PM
A moody photo taken on the side of the stove this evening of the irises that I will be taking to Adelaide to replace the others at the Royal Show.
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: fermi de Sousa on September 08, 2008, 11:51:06 PM
Pat,
these are wonderful! I'm definitely making a bed for Oncos!!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: arillady on September 09, 2008, 10:41:28 AM
Here are two photos taken at the Royal Show of the aril species hybrids - they certainly opened up over night and in the car on the way down. There was one flower still ok but the rest were pretty far gone of the ones I took down last Thursday.
Have kept the stems which felt as though they were developing seed pods and will see what comes from keeping them in oasis for a while.
And yes I made myself known to the person reading the sign below the irises.
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: arillady on September 11, 2008, 10:02:12 AM
I will post the aril beds that are flowering. I don't know how to put words between photos so I can't explain which one will have some Crocus sp, Calochortus, Junos and Iris subbiflora x I. revoluta as well as some aril crosses. There are still some patches that have not started flowering yet.
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: arillady on September 26, 2008, 12:40:26 PM
Took a few photos yesterday and the day before of the arils flowering
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: Miriam on September 26, 2008, 02:22:45 PM

Just stunning!
In Israel, Iris atropurpurea is the first one to flower from all Oncos, in February.

Thanks for sharing,
Miriam
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on September 26, 2008, 05:53:45 PM
Absolutely stunning Pat !!!
Wonderful flowers !  :o
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: WimB on September 26, 2008, 07:28:30 PM
Really beautiful flowers.
I wish we had some sunnier and better weather in Belgium just so I could keep some Oncos outside
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: mark smyth on September 26, 2008, 09:26:05 PM
Great to find this thread. Pat please show us larger photos
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: arillady on September 27, 2008, 12:19:28 AM
Well David I am just about resigned to going over on my internet allowance this month - especially when a 3MB file comes in when not requested. I will add some larger photos but they do have to stay to a certain size each and this can be a bit of fiddling unless anyone knows a quite way. Each original is about 1.2MB before I take them down 40%.
I do thank my lucky stars to be able to grow these beauties.
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: Tony Willis on September 27, 2008, 10:47:33 AM
Mark

I cannot understand your comment on size.I click on them and they fill the screen.Maybe it is not working for you.The maximum file size is 350kb and Pats are not far of that.
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: arillady on September 27, 2008, 11:09:50 AM
A few more arils.
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: Maggi Young on September 27, 2008, 11:57:25 AM
Mark

I cannot understand your comment on size.I click on them and they fill the screen.Maybe it is not working for you.The maximum file size is 350kb and Pats are not far of that.

Tony, I agree with you... Pat's phots are, I would say, a perfect size for viewing! And very beautiful they are, too!!
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: Tony Willis on September 27, 2008, 12:16:56 PM
They are just wonderful to see ,I feel envy and just wish I could grow them, but I expect that would cut out many things I can now grow
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: Paul T on September 27, 2008, 12:55:20 PM
Pat,

Each and every one of them is a stunner!!  Particular favourites are of the last two from your first posting, and the second one from the second posting..... but so many others are glorious as well.  Thank you!!  I wish I lived closer so that I could see them in person. 8)
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: Hans A. on September 27, 2008, 06:59:13 PM
Hello Pat,
thanks for showing this great photos of your wonderful plants - dangerous for all the people who are not allready addicted... ;o)
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: fermi de Sousa on September 29, 2008, 08:29:13 AM
Pat,
your iris are splendid! I think Onco will be the next phase of my iris addiction - I just need to master Juno first!
Thanks!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: mark smyth on September 29, 2008, 09:29:08 AM
I was referring to page one where the images are 235 pixel wide
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: Joakim B on October 01, 2008, 01:58:02 PM
Lovely plants.
Maybe I should know this but are these plants good in a mediterenian climate (Portugal)?
If so where can these plants be bought?
Or is it the case that seeds are the only way?
Thanks
Joakim
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: arillady on October 02, 2008, 12:19:14 AM
Joakim,
Closest source to you would be Hans Achilles or Rafa Dominquez in Spain - both are members of this forum. They should do well for you if you can keep them dry over summer. Received Jim and Jenny Archibald's new seed list yesterday. They had a number of oncocyclus species listed 5 seeds for 9E - seeds are cheaper through the Aril Society International seedlist - when we have some of the different species but the original sources are not listed.
Pat T
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: Joakim B on October 02, 2008, 03:18:04 PM
Hi Pat thanks for the information !
Do they need to be absolutely dry so that NO rain hits them or is the normal rain free with only a few scattered rain clouds OK. We would talk about rain once a month or so. Is having them well drained enough so that they do not stand in wet conditions enough for them "dry during summer"?
Please inform more about the Avril society!!
Is seeds an easy way where the seeds can be scattered and then left to its own devices. But for 5 seeds for 9€ I would not do this approach at all. Then panting in pots sounds better but I prefere if mother nature can do the nurtering with just the smallest assistance from me.

Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: arillady on October 03, 2008, 02:08:08 AM
Joakim,
The Aril Society International website: www.arilsociety.org
Here you will read all you need to know about membership.
I leave most of my rhizomes in situ now. We do have the odd summer thunderstorm and they have come through ok. I did remove some that were on the side that any water runoff might effect them adversely. If you can have them growing high enough above the ground surface level and plenty of gravel around the rhizomes and you don't get feet of rain you should be fine.
I once tried planting seeds straight in the soil but that year there was hardly any germination. With aril seed there is an inhibitor in the seed coat - this needs to be soaked out. I have seedlings coming up occasionally from seed that had not germinated when I planted out pots of germinating seeds - after 15 years.
I never water the arils after their initial seedling stage.
When I first grew the arils I would cover them with sheets of galvanised iron sheeting raised up on a few bricks so that there was air movement still. This worked well. But now I have the arils planted in odd sized beds scattered over the hillside so the iron sheets would not be practical now - and very unsightly.
Pat T
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: Joakim B on October 03, 2008, 08:16:04 AM
Hi Pat
Thanks for the information seems as they would work here.
I will look at the website and get more info it sounds interesting.
Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: Regelian on March 02, 2009, 10:36:19 PM
Pat,

are any of the pictured flowers representative of the seed parents of your ASI and SIGNA donations?  I have been lucky enough to get quite a few of your crosses.
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: Maggi Young on March 02, 2009, 10:38:18 PM
Hi, Jamie, welcome to the Forum..... I guessed with your username that you would be an Iris lover. There are some good growers here, also some folks lucky enough to be able to show us wondeful photos from the wild..... I think you will like it here!
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: arillady on March 03, 2009, 04:43:49 AM
Hi Jamie,
Yes the donated seed that you received would be possibly from some of the stock shown. Even though many are not pure arils species but hybrids between hybrids of species they are beautiful in their own right. Would be good to be able to just pollinate the same species to get pure seed but I have often not another clone of a species - I do try to pollinate eg; haynei hybrid x haynei hybrid to get close to the species.
First rain all year last night and this morning so there should be new growth appearing soon. The nights are cooling down and this seems to initiate new growth.
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: Regelian on March 03, 2009, 01:08:09 PM
Maggi,

thanks for the welcome! Yes, I do have a thing for arils, partly due to their beauty, partly while they are a challenge. I'm breeding with tet regelias, as well as pumilas and other tetraploid entities.  My main perennial, if one can call it that, is Hemerocallis, of which I hybridize about 2,000 seedlings per year.  In the end, if it has flowers, I'm interested. Maples, magnolias, paeonia.... But most of you fall into the same category.  Here's to the choir! :D

Pat,

thanks for the info.  I kinda suspected as much, as the crosses seemed to lean in this direction.  I plan to do karyotypes of most of the seedlings and see if there is anything directly observable, which may help to place individuals.  Should be fun, but a long learning curve.
Title: Re: Oncos in flower in southern hemisphere
Post by: arillady on March 03, 2009, 10:25:21 PM
Jamie,
I hope you keep us (SRGC and ASI) informed with your findings.
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