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Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: olegKon on July 01, 2008, 06:27:04 AM

Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: olegKon on July 01, 2008, 06:27:04 AM
This is my favourite Dactylorhiza
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Paul T on July 06, 2008, 06:45:30 AM
I hope no-one minds a southerner posting in here.... it isn't yet spring 2008 for me.  ;)

Just a couple of orchids that are flowering inside under lights at the moment.....

Restripia sanguinea 'Walter' is one of the Pleurothallids, the flower is about 2 inches from top to bottom.  Under the grow-lights it positively glows, but doesn't look quite the same out in normal sunlight.

Dryadella zebrina is another of the same family, but the flowers are maybe a cm or so in size, perhaps a bit larger.  To give you an idea the pot in the second pic is a 2 inch tube, so it is a tiny little gem.  I've wanted it for years, so was thrilled to finally be able to purchase a piece at our local Orchid Society meeting a couple of months ago.

Enjoy.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 06, 2008, 09:27:01 PM
Those are really cute Paul, just the size I like them! :D
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Armin on July 06, 2008, 10:43:19 PM
Super pics from everybody.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Rafa on July 09, 2008, 02:24:39 PM
Theses are Epipactis kleinii and Ophrys scolopax
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Joakim B on July 09, 2008, 02:36:16 PM
Nice ones Rafa  8)
Are they flowering now? It is at higher altitude?
Thanks for showing
Joakim
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Rafa on July 09, 2008, 02:48:04 PM
Yes, they are blooming now. Epipactis bloom in late spring and summer (almost all the species) here in Castilla Leσn, but we found this O. scolopax at 1400m so this could explain it still flowering.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on July 09, 2008, 03:22:19 PM
I do not know this Epipactis kleinii but I do like the hairy stems and super  neat shape to the flowers.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on July 09, 2008, 03:37:49 PM
Please note a post on the "books" page about a book on Orchids of Huanglong.
Reply 119 :
 http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=248.105
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Magnar on July 10, 2008, 09:33:09 AM
I got this plant as Orchis wardii, but to me it looks like a Dactylorhiza maculata. Can anybody please tell wether the name is correct or not.

(http://magnar.aspaker.no/o.jpg)
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Hans A. on July 10, 2008, 10:48:32 AM
Magnar, I think you are right... ::)

about "Orchis" wardii I found this:

4. Galearis wardii (W. W. Smith) P. F. Hunt, Kew Bull. 26: 172. 1971.
ban chun hong men lan

Orchis wardii W. W. Smith, Notes Roy. Bot. Gard. Edinburgh 13: 215. 1921.

Plant 12–25 cm tall. Rhizome stout, fleshy. Stem stout, with 2 or 3 tubular sheaths at base, 2-foliate. Leaves elliptic to oblong-lanceolate, 7–15 Χ 2.5–4.5 cm, apex obtuse-rounded or mucronate, base gradually attenuate into a conduplicate sheath, thickly textured, green. Inflorescence stout, 3.5–8 cm, 2–3 mm in diam.; rachis up to 3 cm, 5- to more than 10-flowered; floral bracts lanceolate, basal ones up to 3.5 cm, much longer than the flowers, apex acuminate. Flowers relatively large, spreading, whitish-pink to purple, spotted with dark purple; ovary cylindrical, 10–12 mm including pedicel; sepals subequal in length, 8–9 Χ 3–3.5 mm, 3-veined, pinkish-purple, inner surfaces spotted with purple; dorsal sepal erect, narrowly ovate-lanceolate, apex obtuse; lateral sepals spreading horizontally or reflexed, falcate to narrowly ovate-lanceolate, apex slightly obtuse; petals erect, forming a hood with the dorsal sepal, ovate-lanceolate, ca. 7 Χ 2.5 mm, 3-veined, pinkish-purple spotted with deep purple; lip simple, spreading, broadly ovate to suborbicular, 8–9 Χ 8–9 mm, longer than the petals, apex obtuse-rounded, margin strongly erose and wrinkled, base contracted, spurred, pinkish-purple spotted with deep purple to purplish-black; spur pendulous, cylindrical, slightly curved forward, slender, 7–10 mm, almost as long as the ovary, apex obtuse. Fl. Jun-Jul, fr. Jul-Aug.

* Forests, alpine meadows; 2400–4500 m. W Sichuan, E Xizang, NW Yunnan.

Query: http://wiki.terrorchid.org/key:orchidoideae_china
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Hans A. on July 10, 2008, 10:53:45 AM
...and here a picture of it: http://www.asianflora.com/Orchidaceae/Galearis-wardii.htm
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Magnar on July 10, 2008, 11:05:42 AM
Thank you, Hans. I obviously have not got the right plant,, just like I thought.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Rafa on July 10, 2008, 11:38:51 AM
Dactylorhiza maculata blooming now in the forest.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Magnar on July 10, 2008, 11:49:01 AM
Dactylorhiza maculata blooming now in the forest.

Here too, abundatly.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Rafa on July 10, 2008, 01:44:47 PM
Here is not common, I just know 3 localities in Segovia, it usually grows at high altitudes about 1600m in fontainhead, in silice soil. There are a good number of specimens in evry locality.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Rafa on July 12, 2008, 07:44:09 PM
This is Spiranthes spiralis
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Hans A. on July 12, 2008, 08:01:52 PM
wow! - beautiful Rafa,
here they are not in flower earlier then september or october normally.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Anthony Darby on July 12, 2008, 08:11:10 PM
Could it be Spiranthes aestivalis, the Summer Lady's Tresses?
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Rafa on July 12, 2008, 09:08:10 PM
I'm,  not sure, but I think S. spiralis and S. aestivalis are synonims, and then there is Spiranthes autumnalis that blooms  (here in Segovia) in september.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Anthony Darby on July 12, 2008, 09:16:19 PM
Spiranthes autumnalis is a synonym of S. spiralis not aestivalis.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Rafa on July 12, 2008, 09:39:13 PM
aha, thank you for the claifying this, Anthony, spiran, spira, autum, aes all mixed in my cahotic brain!  ;D
We have in my province both species, but very very few. There are just 5 localities of Spiranthes aestivalis, and one of Spiranthes autumnalis, not recordered yet in Segovia.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Hans A. on July 12, 2008, 11:15:30 PM
You are right, it should be Spiranthes aestivalis - the flower does not look like  S. spiralis - both species have very differnt leafs and habitat preferences - S. spiralis has a basal rosette on ground level of short wide leafs and grows in drier habitats - here often together with selaginella spec. - it is good adapted in grasing animals as sheep and goats.
S. aestivalis has a few longer leafs and grows in wet habitats like moorland.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: olegKon on July 14, 2008, 03:21:17 PM
Time for Epipactis
Epipactis palustris
 Epipactis atrorubens
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Rafa on July 17, 2008, 09:01:22 PM
Beautiful, specially to me Epicaptis palustris that I never seen in the wild.

Another orchid,
Neottia nidus avis
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Joakim B on July 17, 2008, 11:33:10 PM
Nice orchids from the wild well done
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: derekb on July 20, 2008, 04:53:08 PM

Two more Disa from me,
 Disa Sids Favourite.
 Disa Eternal Flame.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: David Nicholson on July 20, 2008, 07:23:56 PM
'Sid's Favourite', now there's a cracking name!
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 20, 2008, 11:34:02 PM
I can see why he likes it though. The orchid, I mean. :) The street in Mosgiel, my local little town (dormitory suburb of Dunedin) with the poshest and most expensive (and pretentious) houses, is called Joe Brown Drive. Now that's REALLY classy. The gent concerned was a property developer/earthmover/contractor. I had a load of topsoil from him some years ago, 10 cubic metres and it turned out to be full of Oxalis acetocella bulbs. Bl....y near sued him! >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: derekb on July 21, 2008, 06:53:25 PM
Nearly the end now, 3 more Disa.
Disa Racemosa,
Disa African Star,
Disa Hot Fire.
Where do they get these names from?????
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 21, 2008, 09:30:01 PM
Love those clashy colours all together. :) Derek, have a look at the names of modern tall bearded irises. Enough to make you thoroughly ill sometimes.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Paul T on July 22, 2008, 12:43:47 AM
Stunning Disa Derek.  Beautiful!!  I have recently bought a small one to experiment with inside under lights.  We shall see. ::)
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: olegKon on August 06, 2008, 03:55:49 PM
The last orchid this year Epipactis helleborine
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on August 06, 2008, 04:14:44 PM
That's nice, Oleg.
What is the plant with seed pods in the background?
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Craig on August 08, 2008, 02:40:49 PM
Has anyone got any ideas about which Habenaria this might be ? It has a single ovoid basal leaf and another smaller leaf has appeared about 1 cm away from the stem. The flowers are about 18mm long and 10mm wide. There is no noticeable scent.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: ichristie on August 08, 2008, 08:01:23 PM
Hi Oleg, I just wonder please do you find your Epipactis helleborine seeds around? I have several plants flowering which are self sown seedlings and they are about 100 mtrs for the plant which is in the garden,  cheers Ian the Christie kind.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: olegKon on August 08, 2008, 11:37:33 PM
Maggi, you have good eyes, they are seedpods of Penstemon serrulatus, flowers are not as big as those of modern penstemon varieties but numerous and therefore conspicuous.
Ian, I would like to have E.helleborine selfseed I have had this plant for many years (always one stem) and so far have spotted only Dactilorhizas and Epipactis palustris selfsown seedlings everywhere around the garden quite a distance from their mother clumps
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Paul T on August 09, 2008, 03:02:26 AM
Oleg,

Love that Epipactis helleborine.  Very pretty.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on August 09, 2008, 10:53:43 AM
Oleg, thank you.... I cannot say I have ever seen that in fruit.... very smart seed pods .
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: ArneM on August 10, 2008, 06:54:29 PM
Calanthe reflexa still in flower. I hope it is hardy here. If not I've got a problem. ::)
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 11, 2008, 01:15:46 AM
I really love that Habenaria! If you look at it with your head on the left side, it seems to be many green creatures climbing up the stem. Something between a mantis and a grasshopper, but something of a shrimp in the head part. I'm sure the entymologists would be interested in this. ;D
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: rob krejzl on August 11, 2008, 02:44:33 AM
I'm sure there should be a cross-over discipline which combines etymology and entomology Lesley. It bugs me that you've invented it rather than me. ;)
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 11, 2008, 03:05:05 AM
Well, with your bugs Rob and my words, we should be able to get it sorted. I'd like to say the spelling mistake was intentional but........ ???
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: fermi de Sousa on August 15, 2008, 03:09:13 AM
Maggi, you have good eyes, they are seedpods of Penstemon serrulatus, flowers are not as big as those of modern penstemon varieties but numerous and therefore conspicuous.
Oleg, thank you.... I cannot say I have ever seen that in fruit.... very smart seed pods .
And probably why it turns up in the seedexes as other penstemon species!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Craig on August 15, 2008, 10:57:21 AM
The Habenaria has just been identified as H.balfouriana, a species from China.  I wonder if Mr.SlugKiller could have a look in his Orchids of China book and tell us a bit more about it.......? ;)
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Slug Killer on August 15, 2008, 12:26:52 PM
Hi Craig, sorry to say it's not in the book. Closest is Habenaria glaucifolia. Sorry I can't be of more help.

(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/Habenaria.jpg)

Dave
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Slug Killer on August 16, 2008, 09:58:14 AM
Craig,

Chen Yi has also confirmed it is Habenaria balfouriana named in 1924 but no other info I'm afraid.

Dave
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Craig on August 18, 2008, 09:15:59 PM
Cheers Dave :) Still looks like a book I'd like to own...not to mention another Habenaria ;)
Thanks to Fred on the Terrestrial orchid forum http://forum.terrorchid.org/ for this link to Flora of China http://hua.huh.harvard.edu/china/mss/volume25/Orchidaceae_coauthoring.htm Habenaria balfouriana ( No.12 in the Habenaria list) is found in "Forests, shrubby grasslands; 2200--3600 m. SW Sichuan, NW Yunnan." I've been growing it on my windowsill but considering the altitude it's found at I wonder how hardy it might be... Any thoughts ?
Best Wishes,

Craig
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Craig on August 29, 2008, 07:34:06 PM
 One of my favourites flowering : Pecteilis radiata. The Japanese call it  Sagi-so, which translates as Egret grass !
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on August 29, 2008, 07:44:29 PM
One of my favourites flowering : Pecteilis radiata. The Japanese call it  Sagi-so, which translates as Egret grass !

I see where they get that name from....what a pretty thing... is it hardy, Craig?
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Craig on August 30, 2008, 08:33:54 AM
"is it hardy, Craig ?"

I believe so Maggi, although I've heard it's prone to winter rots and consequently have always stored the dormant tubers in the fridge over winter (with a little moist vermiculite to avoid dessication). They're only about the size of jelly beans so they don't take up much room. One of these years I will construct a proper bog garden and give a few a try in it. When happy they make two or three extra tubers each year so by that time I should have a few to play with 8)
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: WimB on August 30, 2008, 10:20:44 AM
Hello Craig,

thats a very nice orchid, where did you buy it?
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on August 30, 2008, 04:39:04 PM
"is it hardy, Craig ?"

I believe so Maggi, although I've heard it's prone to winter rots and consequently have always stored the dormant tubers in the fridge over winter (with a little moist vermiculite to avoid dessication). They're only about the size of jelly beans so they don't take up much room. One of these years I will construct a proper bog garden and give a few a try in it. When happy they make two or three extra tubers each year so by that time I should have a few to play with 8)

Somehow the idea of jelly bean sized orchids living in th fridge overwinter, to happily increase the next year , makes me feel happy..and hungry, of course ;)
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Paul T on August 31, 2008, 12:52:38 AM
Craig,

That Pecteilis radiata is a cutie.  Never seen an orchid quite like it.  Is it as small as it appears in the picture?  I just love terrestrial orchids, so I find new genus and species fascinating.  See so many different ones here.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Craig on September 02, 2008, 10:57:41 AM
Wim, these came from Paul Christian originally but I noticed Thompson and Morgan were also selling them this year !
Paul, these birds have a "wingspan" of about 3cm.The leaves are very grass like, around 5 or 6cm long and 5mm wide.There are some very nice variegated cultivars with different coloured leaf margins or centres too.

Best Wishes,

Craig
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Slug Killer on September 03, 2008, 09:21:15 AM
Wim

Hayleys Orchids on Ebay also sell Pecteilis (Habenaria) radiata.

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/hayleys-orchids

Dave
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: WimB on September 03, 2008, 06:55:43 PM
Hello Craig and Dave;

Paul Christian and Hayleys no longer have it in stock and Thompson and Morgan does not ship to the EU mainland so I'll have to keep on searching.

@Craig: how do you grow your Habenaria radiata: in a mixture of peat and sand or in pure sphagnum? With a lot of water or not?

Thanks

Wim
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Slug Killer on September 03, 2008, 07:10:28 PM
Hi Wim

She must have sold the last today as there was an auction running.

Dave
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: DavMac on September 04, 2008, 10:59:28 AM
When I was leaving England a couple of weeks ago I picked up a copy of the Daily Telegraph which had the "Telegraph Garden Autumn 2008" catalogue in it. On the back page was offered "White Egret Orchids" pack of 4, GBP14.99.

On the front of the catalogue it says "Products are supplied by Van Meuwen for readers of the Daily Telegraph".

If you go to http://www.vanmeuwen.com/ there is a special offer going, one free pack per order.

David
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on September 04, 2008, 11:24:10 AM
Thanks, David, Thomson and Morgan have a pretty good deal for 6 tubers, though.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: WimB on September 04, 2008, 11:34:04 AM
Thanks everybody,

Maggi is going to send me one ordered with Thompson and Morgan.
A very big thank you to Maggi.  :-*
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Craig on September 07, 2008, 06:07:16 PM
Another favourite of mine ! (so much favouritism of late!)
Pterostylis coccina. If anybody knows how these lil fellas decide whether to flower or make a leaf rosette, I'd love to know.

Best Wishes,

Craig
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Paul Cumbleton on September 09, 2008, 05:46:21 PM
I also grow the Pecteilis radiata that Craig illustrated and think it is a most beautiful thing the way that it resembles a bird in flight. I grow it in with the Pleiones and treat it exactly the same as them. It has the advantage that if happy, the tubers multiply fairly quickly to build a good potful. This year I had around 25 flowering stems. Watch out for aphids which seem to love this plant and can quickly ruin it! A couple of pictures are shown below.

Another Habenaria that has flowered for me for the first time this year is Habenaria davidii. Green flowered orchids are not to everyones taste but I love this one, especially with the lacerated lip making such a feature. Treatment seems to be the same again - treat it like a Pleione.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on September 09, 2008, 07:44:44 PM
Super photos, Paul....what a treat. Thanks for the cultivation advice too.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Craig on September 09, 2008, 09:33:18 PM
Oh Paul !  :o I've gone the same colour as the H.davidii flowers! What great character these flowers have. Fabulous photos too.
I thought I was growing this species this year but ended up with Habenaria balfouriana (pic. in previous post).Do you mind telling us where you got it ? It's just gone to the top of my must have list.

Thanks for the cultural advice too. I've been growing Pecteilis radiata in alternate layers of Kanuma and sphagnum sitting in a resevoir of about 1cm of water. Its really interesting to hear they can be grown like Pleiones. I have Habenaria medusa just starting to flower, growing in a Pleione type mix but indoors. Will post some photos soon.

Wim, I'm very pleased to see you'll be getting your Egrets. Maggie, if you have any problem with Thompson and Morgen let me know.

Best Wishes,

Craig
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on September 09, 2008, 09:47:41 PM
Craig, thanks...I'm not expecting the delivery until November, from what they say on the website.
I don't, as a rule, hold with birds in captivity, but these Egrets are an exception!! ;)
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Slug Killer on September 19, 2008, 03:55:43 PM
Can anyone identify this Habenaria please?

Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Gerhard Raschun on September 19, 2008, 07:36:12 PM
One of my favourites flowering : Pecteilis radiata. The Japanese call it  Sagi-so, which translates as Egret grass !

 is it hardy, Craig?

I have grown this P. radiata about 10 years outside here in the south of Austria in 6b.But outside the plants disappear slowly.The reason is, that plants start growing very late in the year, bloom in October and get in rest with the first froozen temperatures in the same month.So the growing season is too short to grow big tubers....

I suggest to grow this species indoor while the winter season.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Craig on September 21, 2008, 10:31:48 PM
David, it looks like Habenaria malleifera. You might be interested to have a look at this link:

http://www.ukorchidforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=5121

Here's another Habenaria flowering at the moment, H.medusa a south east Asian species, far from hardy but easily grown on a windowsill the last two years and tooo beautiful not to post here. Flowers are about 7.5cm across
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on September 22, 2008, 09:47:32 AM
Craig, your pic of H. medusa is stunning! Never seen it before.... LOVE IT!
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Slug Killer on September 22, 2008, 09:51:40 AM
Hi Craig, thanks for the ident. I also have H.medusa but not anywhere near flowering. Fantastic picture.

Thanks

David
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Paul T on October 05, 2008, 12:41:27 PM
Just caught up with the last bit of this topic (since I last posted)...... Oh My Goodness.  What stunners.  I hope they make it to Australia one of these decades.  Beautiful!  :D
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Eric Locke on October 05, 2008, 04:49:10 PM
 Habenaria Carnea
Another nice terrestial orchid from S E Asia that requires indoor culture .
This one has very decorative leaves with long-lasting flowers at this time of year.
Carnea goes dormant in early winter and emerges again in spring.
I grow these in a similar mix to Pleione.

Eric
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on October 05, 2008, 05:11:31 PM
Eric, this is a stunner! Where do you garden ?
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Eric Locke on October 05, 2008, 05:18:09 PM
Hello Maggi

Glad you like Carnea.
It is certainly a favourite of mine and is not difficult either.
My home is in the beautifull Buckinghamshire Chilterns.

Eric
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on October 07, 2008, 02:12:43 PM
Thanks, Eric, I have amended your profile so your signature box shows where you live: this is very helpful to readers as it gives a snapshot of your likely climate etc!!
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Paul T on October 12, 2008, 08:06:31 AM
It isn't summer/autumn here, it's spring, but I hope no-one minds a couple of ring-ins from the Southern Hemisphere.....

Diuris chryseopsis is one of the terrestrial native donkey orchids, although the "ears" on this species are not so erect and donkey-ish.  The Pterostylis baptistii 'Gosford' is a massive flower compared to the other Pterostylis, being at least twice the size of everything else I have flowering this year, and 3 times the size in a few cases.  Very, very striking.

Enjoy. 8)
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Paul T on October 12, 2008, 08:13:16 AM
Howdy again everyone,

Just thought I'd post a pic of another donkey orchid I have flowering now (in fact it has now been in flower for over a month, although the last flowers are starting to look a little sad).  This pic was taken when the first flowers had just opened..... Diuris maculata.  A very cute terrestrial orchid.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on October 12, 2008, 05:22:50 PM
The Diuris maculata is not one I kmow.... super colours and shape...... would it need heat in the UK ( supposing anyone sells it  :P )
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Paul T on October 13, 2008, 03:19:50 AM
Maggi,

Grows outside here for me in small pots.  That any help?
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Craig on October 14, 2008, 08:38:16 PM
Great to see those photos Paul, especially the Diuris.

Maggi, Paul Christian was selling some Diuris this year and I grew one from Heinrich Berle : http://www.myorchids.de/main1.htm outside here in London last year. None of the three plants I've got has ever flowered though :(
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on October 14, 2008, 08:50:29 PM
Thank for the info, Craig....... just enjoyed some pleasant "window-shopping" at the German website!! ::)
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Tony Willis on October 16, 2008, 05:54:27 PM
a pterostylis I was given a few days ago. Do not know the species.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Slug Killer on October 16, 2008, 06:54:20 PM
That's a beauty ;)

Dave
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Paul T on October 18, 2008, 12:37:23 AM
Tony,

P. coccineus springs to mind, but I could be WAY off as I am certainly no expert an I haven't looked it up.  I'll try to have a look in a couple of reference books and see if I can confirm or deny that later today.  Also of course there are a lot of differences in populations within the species, which is why there are numerous named selections around here in Aus.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Tony Willis on October 18, 2008, 09:32:44 AM
Paul thank you for the information.

I will be able to name it because I know the source of the plant and had hoped to see him last Thursday evening at our AGS meeting but this did not work out. I will ask next month and let you know.At the moment just growing it is my challenge.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Paul T on October 23, 2008, 08:56:45 AM
Howdy All,

A couple more of our Aussie natives flowering here at the moment....

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Thelymitra nuda, one of the sun orchids.

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Thelymitra, species unknown.  Thanks Rob, it's beautiful!!

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And I have finally flowered a pink donkey orchid, this one is Diuris alba.  The D. maculata which I posted pics of recently looks like it might be setting seed too, if anyone wants to give it a go?

Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on October 23, 2008, 02:21:11 PM
Super pictures, Paul, thanks!
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Paul T on October 24, 2008, 03:48:59 AM
Glad someone is enjoying them Maggi.  8)
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: rob krejzl on October 24, 2008, 08:42:10 AM
Paul,

Annoying that my Thelymitra likes your place so much better than mine. Mine still haven't opened up  - I'll try and remember to look at the column and give an ID.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Paul T on October 24, 2008, 11:07:17 AM
Rob,

Not sure it likes my place more... just has been warmer here. Too warm to be honest..... forecasting 32'C here in a couple of days. :o  Had ice on the car this morning though.  :o :o
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: rob krejzl on October 24, 2008, 09:30:22 PM
Rob,

Not sure it likes my place more... just has been warmer here. Too warm to be honest..... forecasting 32'C here in a couple of days. :o  Had ice on the car this morning though.  :o :o

I can beat that - Thursday's frost sliced the tops off half the garden. Fruit from southern Tassie will be scarce this season.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on October 24, 2008, 09:57:41 PM
Iced cars here the last few days in Aberdeen, too.
Bad news for our farmers who still have not managed to harvest their grain crops  :'(

Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Tony Willis on October 28, 2008, 09:34:30 PM
Paul

what a fabulous blue,I would love to grow it but no sun here.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: rob krejzl on October 29, 2008, 04:23:49 AM
Paul,

The seedling is Thelymitra pauciflora.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Paul T on October 29, 2008, 05:46:44 AM
Rob,

If that one that I got from you is pauciflora, then I have to wonder as to whether my other one under that name is correct.... much smaller and pink!! ???
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: rob krejzl on October 29, 2008, 09:06:34 AM
Rob,

If that one that I got from you is pauciflora, then I have to wonder as to whether my other one under that name is correct.... much smaller and pink!! ???

T. pauciflora: Flowers 1-15, opening tardily, 12-20 mm across, pale blue to bright blue, sometimes white or pink (my emphasis).
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Paul T on October 29, 2008, 10:38:10 AM
Rob,

Thanks.  The other big difference is that your plant has flowers open a lot of the time, at least I have seen it open most times I have checked during suitable sunshine.  The pink one has obviously had flowers opening at some point as I did see a couple half-open on one occasion, but I have yet to see it properly open regardless of time and how much sun it is in.  I think it has nearly finished now too, so I doubt I will see it until next year now.  Very different in that respect to your robust and readily flowering plant.  Great blue on yours too.  Thanks again so much for it, I've enjoyed it immensely.  8)
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: rob krejzl on October 29, 2008, 07:26:40 PM
Paul,

I suspected it was pauciflora even before it flowered (there's a colony of several hundred plants just a few hundred metres away), but had to wait to confirm it. Like your pink one, the flowers in the colony don't open either; completely cleistogamic in our normal temperatures.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Paul T on October 30, 2008, 05:15:31 AM
Rob,

If that colony doesn't open, then why does the one you sent me open so well?  Would that mean it is a hybrid of some type?  Or is it just that some are and some aren't?  But.... if that is the case, why does the seedling you gave me open well when the colony near you which you think are the parents, doesn't?
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: rob krejzl on October 30, 2008, 06:17:21 PM
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Not sure it likes my place more... just has been warmer here

You already answered your own question.

Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Paul T on October 31, 2008, 12:12:47 AM
OK, but the pink pauciflora still barely opens, whereas yours is open for much of the day.  Yours seems not in the slightest bit shy about opening it's flowers.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: rob krejzl on October 31, 2008, 01:20:05 AM
Pauciflora has a very wide distribution (from QLD to Tas and SA) and is acknowledged as a species complex. Your pink flowered form probably comes from a very different population. Why wouldn't they have a different response to temperature?

The fact that mine opens well with higher temps is interesting though, because it shows that the parents aren't limited to self-pollination. I always like being reminded not to make assumptions about things.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Brian Ellis on November 15, 2008, 10:35:24 PM
Today we were at the Norfolk and Norwich Hort. Soc. late Autumn Show where there were some orchids which you may find interesting.  I am no expert so hope I have not made any mistakes! The three orchid class was won by three Paphlopedilum, P.Maudiae, P.Alma Gevart and P. Deperle. The next class was won by a little Dendrobium terragonum var.giganteum (which was my personal favourite).  The same exhibitor had entered a group which was my main reason for posting as it included Paphlopedilum coccineum species which I was told was found in Vietnam in 2000 and had been stripped from the habitat, her seed has now flowered for the first time and she was quite excited!  Also in the group were Cattleya dowiana x, Phragmipedium sedenii and Coel(ogyne?) barbata amongst others.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: ranunculus on November 15, 2008, 10:56:11 PM
Super images Brian. Many thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: mark smyth on November 15, 2008, 10:59:59 PM
I've been given some Pterostylis, thanks Liam and Joan, and would like to find out how best to grow them.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Slug Killer on November 21, 2008, 04:47:53 PM
Hi Mark

I grow Pterostylis curta and to be honest they seem to grow well in anything I put them in. What do they look like at the moment? The reason I ask is many Pterostylis are imports from OZ and therefore out of Sync with UK growing seasons. If this is the case you will probably just have dormant little tubers or if in sync there will more than likely be growth well above the surface now. Mine are grown in the conservatory as they need protection below -5 deg C. The medium mine are in now which they seem happy in and multiply well is a mixture of perlite, coarse peat and bark fines. They need to be kept moist during the winter months when sprouting and watered freely when in flower. An occasional liquid feed at half strength is beneficial and increases offsets. Reduce watering as the flowers and leaves wither in mid summer and leave completely dry when dormant.

If they are out of sink it will take at least two years for them to adjust.

David
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on November 26, 2008, 08:07:15 PM
Referring back to earlier pages ( p. 4 onwards) of this thread, where there was discussion about Habenaria (Pecteilis) radiata.... an update:  I ordered some, for myself and for Wim, from Thompson and Morgan and was advised that these would be dispatched to me in Novemeber. I have recently had a letter from T and M saying that " as the season has been very late in Japan, the plants are still in growth and are not yet ready to be sent out. It is hoped to dispatch them to customers in February "  What a nuisance....I hope that if they've had all this extra growing time they will be particularly nice tubers when they finally do arrive!
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Paul Cumbleton on November 27, 2008, 11:48:45 AM
Hi Maggi,
I can kind of believe this. My plants only fully browned off about 3 weeks ago. Though why they then still need till February.....
At least they will still be dormant then. I don't start watering mine until sometime in March.

Paul
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on November 27, 2008, 12:11:05 PM
Hi Maggi,
I can kind of believe this. My plants only fully browned off about 3 weeks ago. Though why they then still need till February.....
At least they will still be dormant then. I don't start watering mine until sometime in March.

Paul
Well, Paul, if you don't begin watering them until March then I feel a bit better about the wait, since they won't be "missing" much in the meantime.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: BULBISSIME on November 29, 2008, 03:47:57 PM
Craig,
what a WONDERFULL Picture ! and plant !!
Where did you get it ? and how do you grow it ?
Thank's,
Fred

David, it looks like Habenaria malleifera. You might be interested to have a look at this link:

http://www.ukorchidforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=5121

Here's another Habenaria flowering at the moment, H.medusa a south east Asian species, far from hardy but easily grown on a windowsill the last two years and tooo beautiful not to post here. Flowers are about 7.5cm across
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Roma on November 30, 2008, 10:05:19 PM
Re Habenaria radiata from Thompson&Morgan.
I got 3 tubers in April - originally supposed to arrive in February so I hope yours are not postponed again, Maggi. I potted them up together in a large pot as advised in the cultivation leaflet ( larger than I would have thought necessary or advisable) in a proprietary orchid compost.
I kept the pot on the greenhouse floor near the door to keep it cool .  The orchids were very slow growing and didn't form buds till quite late.
Two formed flower buds as they were starting to die back.  I did hope one might flower before the plant browned off completely but the frost the last two  nights has finished it off.  Ah well there's always next year if they survive the winter.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Eric Locke on November 30, 2008, 10:11:45 PM
Hi
I learned a lesson many years ago . DO not buy anything specialist from T and M.
Plants are usually very poor ,overpriced and often sent out at the wrong time !!.

Eric
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on December 01, 2008, 10:54:29 AM
Re Habenaria tubers and T&M....... ooh, errr, it's not looking good, is it?  :-\
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: WimB on December 02, 2008, 11:57:45 AM
Hmmm,

that doesn't sound very good, but still: let's try... you never know.

Wim
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: mark smyth on December 02, 2008, 06:02:33 PM
Oops I missed the reply to my query. These have already flowered in this country - earlier this year.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Craig on December 06, 2008, 12:54:53 PM
Fred,
I have 2 H,medusa - 1 came from Orchideeen Wubben, the other from Paul Christian.
Now is probably a good time to get them as they are either dormant or close to it. Wubben have it listed as H.myriotricha which seems synonymous to me ( & the Monocots Checklist)

All the best,

Craig
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: BULBISSIME on December 06, 2008, 01:42:09 PM
Thabk's Craig,
I'll try to get some,
Fred
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Michael on December 07, 2008, 03:31:59 PM
Some orchids currently blooming (unfortunately tropical, but it's all i got right now)

Coelia bella
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o38/Jindegales/December20083_0027.jpg)

Laelia anceps
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o38/Jindegales/December20083_0060.jpg)

Brown form of Gongora galeata
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o38/Jindegales/December20083_0057.jpg)

Very long Cirrhopetalum
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o38/Jindegales/December20083_0073.jpg)
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o38/Jindegales/December20083_0069.jpg)

Sorry for the quality  :-X
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Roma on December 07, 2008, 10:00:47 PM
Maggi! Help!  Do you have the Phone number for Plantaholics Anonymous?  I saw the following in Tesco last Tuesday .  It looked so cute and I was in need of retail therapy because of the weather I just couldn't resist it.  It is only 17cm high with its roots crammed into a 5cm pot.
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Michael on December 07, 2008, 10:33:46 PM
It is only 17cm high with its roots crammed into a 5cm pot.

That seems more than perfect to me. Epiphytic orchids dont mind to be potbound,  :)
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on December 07, 2008, 11:04:21 PM
Roma: the weather has been terrible, you did the right thing... a little retail therapy, especially when it involved this sweet little orchid, was a good idea..... it is not a  symptom of a problem..... it was a logical reaction to circumstances!  8)   
 Now, does that make you feel more relaxed?   ???
Good, because the Advice Line at Plantaholics Anonymous is closed for the Christmas shopping period. :-X
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Paul T on December 31, 2008, 11:48:35 PM
Howdy All,

Not sure at all where to post this one.......  I bought Pleurothallus schiedei in the first week of September in flower, and it is still producing buds and flowers from the tips of the flowering stem.  The whole plant is about 12cm tall, with the flowers less than 1cm at their largest dimension.  Such an intricate little thing (that is the only way of describing it).  The white "teardrops" hang like little chandelier crystals and dance in the breeze.  If the flower is sprayed with water the little white things drop off, so one has to be careful when misting the surrounding plants to avoid the flowers on this one.  Cute little thing though, even if a tad strange.  8)
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 01, 2009, 12:21:48 PM
Extraordinary!  What purpose  do the chandelier crystals serve, do you know?
These tiny orchids are wonderful ...... wish we saw more of them..... Phalaenopsis are fab, but a bit of variety in "ordinary" commerce would be great!
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: mark smyth on January 01, 2009, 03:14:45 PM
My book says they are very easy and can be grown in bark. No mention of the 'ear rings'
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Maggi Young on January 01, 2009, 03:58:19 PM
No mention of the 'ear rings'
How odd, you'd think a feature like that would be worth a comment, wouldn't you?
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: mark smyth on January 01, 2009, 04:35:48 PM
It did say there are 900 species and they are beetle mimics. Can you see the eyes?
Title: Re: Orchids summer\autumn 2008
Post by: Eric Locke on January 01, 2009, 06:40:03 PM
Happy New Year to all.

Spathoglottis Affinis
Another nice terrestrial orchid that has flowered for me over the holiday period for the first time.
I wonder if others have had experience with these ?

Eric
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