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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Alan_b on February 11, 2025, 07:09:35 PM
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You have raised them, then they strike off on their own, go out into the world and achieve success. It's very gratifying to witness.
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You have raised them, then they strike off on their own, go out into the world and achieve success. It's very gratifying to witness.
It certainly is! Well done, Alan!
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[attachimg=1]Another of the ones I discovered and raised making good; double snowdrop 'Cressida' if you can't read the label.
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Very nice, Alan! Would You like to tell us the story behind it?
The snowdrops start rather late this year in my garden, but today they looked nice. A nameless poculiform G. nivalis.
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´Greenpeace´does well in my garden.
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´Ketton´ is a favourite of mine, yet I had to try it in three different spots to find a place it likes.
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´Walrus´looks like this with me, a friend has a different clone.
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´Excelsis´
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´Myddleton Giant´
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´Gerard Parker´
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This is G. plcatus Adolphus. I thought that there was a problem with virus in this cultivar, but this looks healthy enough.
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Unless of course the label is wrong.
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You have raised them, then they strike off on their own, go out into the world and achieve success. It's very gratifying to witness.
Here they are also in my garden. :) Survived 20 days below freezing, lowest was -18 and not much snow. Ground is still frozen but they are still growing.
'Green Light'
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Mariette, how lovely views! I like all the combinations with snowdrops and other plants you have. Here snowdrops are quite alone at this time.
'Greenpeace' has been a very good doer also here, and strong big snowdrop. However 'Gerard Parker' is not doing so well, I almost lost it three years ago, but now it is slowly recovering (or was last spring), though not up yet.
'Atkinsii', always good.
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'Mrs Macnamara' which I have in several spots, and it is doing good in all of them.
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'Bambino' has grown more since the beginning of February, even though it was below freezing all the time, day and night. I had covered them with that spruce branche behind.
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Mariete, how nice to have warm weather with you, wonderful photos! My garden is covered in snow and the temperatures are below zero. That's why I decided to go shopping:)... in Mannheim, Germany, more precisely in Luisenpark, where this Saturday and Sunday the traditional snowdrop exhibition took place. I'm already in Sofia tired and satisfied with the walk.
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There were many visitors, it was a wonderful experience to be among people who share your interests.
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Huge queue!!
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Impatient galantophiles :)
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The walk in the park was very pleasant.
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@ Leena: Thank You! I´m glad that ´Greenpeace´does well with You! ´Gerard Parker´ seeds around in my garden, but from a galanthophile gardening in a harsher climate I learnt that he had problems with this variety, too. Maybe it´s less hardy than others.
@ Stefan: what an effort to travel from Bulgaria to Mannheim! I hope You thoroughly enjoyed the event! I visited it twice, and the storks are a nice and lasting memory.
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@ Stefan: what an effort to travel from Bulgaria to Mannheim! I hope You thoroughly enjoyed the event! I visited it twice, and the storks are a nice and lasting memory.
I love to travel and visit interesting places. There was also a colony of parrots in the park. :o
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Since the sixties these birds are neobiota along the Rhine - not always a delight for the residents. ;)
´Cowhouse Green´
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A seedling
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I didn't notice any bees in my garden today, but it's good that the snow is melting. We had a normal winter this winter and I like that.
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Galanthus 'Spindlestone Surprise'
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Galanthus 'Wasp'
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Galanthus trojanus
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Galanthus nivalis cv. `Green Tear`
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Galanthus 'Hill Poe'
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Galanthus from Slovenia
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Galanthus alpinus var. bortkewitschianus
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I like the sepal shape, not pointed.
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I know that light intensity can influence the depth of yellows, bugt what about pH?
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Stefan, how nice for you to go snowdrop-shopping! It looks like a super happening. And very nice to see your snowdrop pictures.
Mariette, you have a very nice seedling! And 'Cowhouse Green' seems to grow well for you. Here it is struggling, and I must move it this year so that I would increase better. Now it has had only one flower for several years. It grows in a dryish shady spot, maybe more sun or more moist would be better?
Jeff, here I haven't noticed a difference in yellows in different pH soil. Our soil is naturally maybe pH 6, someplace less, but I think yellow snowdrops are yellow also in a bed where I have added calcium.
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Galanthus nivalis 'Viridapice'
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Galanthus 'Fly Fishing'
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Galanthus gracilis Virescent
(Galanthus gracilis 'Andreas Fault')
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Galanthus 'Lady Beatrix Stanley'
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Galanthus 'Bunch'
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And 'Cowhouse Green' seems to grow well for you. Here it is struggling, and I must move it this year so that I would increase better. Now it has had only one flower for several years. It grows in a dryish shady spot, maybe more sun or more moist would be better?
Leena, ´Cowhouse Green´ doesn´t grow well, if at all, in the heavy clay of my garden. Yet potted in the soil of my compost heap, it does very well. The conclusion may be that it likes rich and somewhat more aerated soil. Nowadays I grow it in pots into a nice clump and plant it out in the borders then. ;)
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I know that light intensity can influence the depth of yellows, bugt what about pH?
Besides sunlight, probably it´s something in the soil which makes snowdrops colour more yellow, but none of the specialists could tell me what it is.
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Leena, ´Cowhouse Green´ doesn´t grow well, if at all, in the heavy clay of my garden. Yet potted in the soil of my compost heap, it does very well. The conclusion may be that it likes rich and somewhat more aerated soil. Nowadays I grow it in pots into a nice clump and plant it out in the borders then. ;)
Mariette, thanks for the advise! :) I will have to move it to more rich soil, and maybe add grit to the soil, too.
Stefan, really nice and well growing snowdrops. :)
Some here from yesterday. Nights are mostly below freezing so development is slow, but every day something new is coming up. :) Let's hope we won't get very cold temperatures any more.
'S.Arnott'
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'Trymming'
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'Phil Davis' planted one bulb 2018, has increased well.
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'Lord Lieutenant', planted one bulb 2014 has been slower, but I like it.
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G.lagodechianus from Armenia (Augis bulbs) is the first of my lagodechianus to come up and flower. All others are later forms. This also seems to be not so hardy as I lost it in bad winter 2022 (and bought another next year). I wouldn't be surprised if this one from Armenia was earlier called something else and now lumped to lagodechianus.
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Leena, I enjoy looking at your photos. How nice that there is less snow in your garden this winter.
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Thanks Stefan. :)
It has been couple of warm days, temperatures almost +10 and nights -1C, but next week will be colder again. Hopefully not for long and not very cold.
Couple of pictures from today. I enjoy so much my snowdrops! :)
'Atkinsii' on the left and nameless elwesii on the right.
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'Chantry Dame'
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'Bambino' has become one of my favourites. So cute and very good increaser.
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This is seedling from Stefan. Really nice round petals and dark insides, I like it very much. Its leaves have suffered a bit of frost damage during the cold period in February, but I hope it is not so early next year. Almost always snowdrops from more south flower earlier the first spring here, and later they adapt to our winter/spring.
Stefan, what is the mother plant? G.elwesii? Or is this a hybrid?
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Leena and Stefan: how nice to see Your snowdrops in flower now, too!
Leena, ´Bambino´really reminds of a chubby toddler!
Stefan, Your G. trojanus looks great! Somehow this species owes a special dignity.
These last days we had spring-like temperatures up to 20°C, and the snowdrop season is nearing its end.
This is a seedling.
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´Washfield Warham´is always one of the last starting to flower with me.
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A Cowhouse Green - seedling.
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This year the green mark is much paler than in other years.
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Which reminds me of Leena´s complaint that the "green" snowdrops often are not as green with her as they should be. Maybe the stronger sunlight later in the year makes them bleach? I noticed that with several green-tipped pocs as well.
´Robyn Janey´
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A nameless G. plicatus with a long flowering season.
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Another nameless one, G. elwesii.
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"Yellow" snowdrops are my favourites! ´Amber Yellow´ comes from the garden of Susanne Zager.
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´Golden Tears ´clumps well. :)
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´Rheingold´
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A pot of young plants, seed of virescents from Anne Wright. Sown 2021 and last year I potted up 12 bulbs. This is the first one to flower. It's a small flower, for scale, from the grit to the ovary is about 4 inches (that's a 6" label in the background). It has a sturdy look to it. And no, I haven't stripped the outer petals!
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Lots of lovely snowdrops on show here!
Good deep green on that virescent, Harry.
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Mariette
Love the yellows.
Harry
Wolud you say that your green is a poc?
Jeff
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Hi, Jeff .. it certainly looks like a poc.
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Fingers crossed that it returns next year.
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Stefan, what is the mother plant? G.elwesii? Or is this a hybrid?
I'm so glad you like it. Yes, this is a G.elwesii seeding.
Stefan, Your G. trojanus looks great! Somehow this species owes a special dignity.
I agree with you, that's right!
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Stefan, thank you :)
Which reminds me of Leena´s complaint that the "green" snowdrops often are not as green with her as they should be. Maybe the stronger sunlight later in the year makes them bleach? I noticed that with several green-tipped pocs as well.
Mariette, that is a very possible reason, as at the same conditions yellow snowdrops are always very nice bright yellow. The norther you are the stronger the sunlightis at snowdrop flowering time.
Only the very green ones, like 'Green Tear' are green here, and even they are not as strong green as in more south. Inverse poculiforms are an exception, their green on the outers is as green as in the inners.
Here is 'Trumps' coming up.
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Stefan, thank you :)
Mariette, that is a very possible reason, as at the same conditions yellow snowdrops are always very nice bright yellow. The norther you are the stronger the sunlightis at snowdrop flowering time.
Only the very green ones, like 'Green Tear' are green here, and even they are not as strong green as in more south. Inverse poculiforms are an exception, their green on the outers is as green as in the inners.
Here is 'Trumps' coming up.
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This spring my green varieties are also not green enough, like other years. This spring when the snowdrops were about to bloom, they were covered in snow for a long time. When they are in bloom and they don't get enough sunlight, then the green varieties are paler, that's what I think from the modest experience I have.
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Galanthus nivalis Grünschleier
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Galanthus elwesii 'Rosemary Burnham'
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Galanthus nivalis 'Green Tear'
Sorry for the bad photos!
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Makes sesne. Plnats need sunlight to photosynthetise.
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This spring my green varieties are also not green enough, like other years.
But Stephan, the photos .. the flowers .. are just beautiful.
What you say raises a point that interests me .. I love the yellows to excess, but I've also discovered a fondness for drops that have a pale green or limey ovary and markings. They are beautiful in their own right, almost to my eye a distinct category. But the question is, when a plant that often produces clear yellow flowers produces instead a pale green flower .. is that something to be concerned about? It's not as if the pale green or yellowy green is 'wrong', it's just what it is that year.
As an aside, I wonder if anyone has a list of the 'limey' drops. I use that name because I had one from Woottens some years ago, a plicatus they called 'Woottens Limey'. I've tried Yaffle, which has that reputation, but haven't succeeded in keeping it yet. I've bought others which were described as limeys but have grown for me with a good solid green.
Anyway .. beautiful photos!
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Jeffnz, Thank you!
I'm glad 'Elizabeth Harrison' appeared this spring, I hope it manages to reproduce!
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Galanthus 'Elizabeth Harrison'
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Galanthus nivalis Sandersii Group
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Galanthus 'Midas'
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This spring my green varieties are also not green enough, like other years. This spring when the snowdrops were about to bloom, they were covered in snow for a long time. When they are in bloom and they don't get enough sunlight, then the green varieties are paler, that's what I think from the modest experience I have.
That is interesting. I have heard the opposite, that the greens here are not so green because of lot of ultraviolet they get, and I should grow them in more shade. Though I don't think it had helped. I have kind of accepted that yellows are better here than greens and I will concentrate more to them and forget (especially the expensive) greens.
'Midas' is very nice with you Stefan. :)
It also grows very well here, though it is not up properly yet.
'Wifi Big Bang'
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'Glenorma', planted in 2021 and finally it is up to it's name. :)
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Some snowdrops from last week before this new cold spell. Next week it will warm up better and snow will melt again.
G.lagodechianus from Armenia. Have I understood right that this is a form earlier called cabardensis? It comes up earlier than my "normal" lagodechianus.
I have another lagodechianus from Armenia bought from Leonid Bondarenko, but is hasn't yet flowerd. I will have to move it. And a year ago I sowed seeds of G.cabardensis (Holubeck seeds) and they are now germingating so it will be interesting to see if all these are similar.
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G.trojanus from Holubeck seeds ten years ago. The two plants have different markings in the inners, but the shape of petals and the leaves are the same.
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'Cordelia'
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'Lerinda' with Hepatica americana
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My double seedling from 'E.A.Bowles'. Father is probably either 'Flore Pleno' (most likely) or 'Flocon de Neige' which both grow near by.
All other seedlings from this patch were single.
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Leena, how beautiful it is in your garden now...in my garden the snowdrops bloomed for a few days because of the summer temperatures and it will snow starting tomorrow....
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My double seedling from 'E.A.Bowles'. Father is probably either 'Flore Pleno' (most likely) or 'Flocon de Neige' which both grow near by.
All other seedlings from this patch were single.
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It's very cute, but you're also a good photographer. 8)
Last fall I bought 'E.A.Bowles' again but again nothing sprouted, I will not buy this variety anymore, something is not working for me, and I like it so much...
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Leena, how beautiful it is in your garden now...in my garden the snowdrops bloomed for a few days because of the summer temperatures and it will snow starting tomorrow....
Thank you Stefan, those pictures are from early last week. End of the week was cold and it snowed again. Last night -10, but from tomorrow it should get a little warmer, and hopefully the snow will melt away by the end of the week. And snowdrops continue to flower. Many are still just coming up, so this year the season is long also here.
I'm sorry to hear your weather was not good for a long flowering. Here warm this time of year means +10, so that is not so much. No pollinators are around yet, which is good.
We may have freezing nights until May, and sometimes cold nights below zero even in early June, but fortunately not very often.
'E.A.Bowles' has been a difficult snowdrop for me, too. At first it started to increase well, maybe five six years, but then one spring it didn't come up at all. I don't know if that was because of some pest or too cold or wet winter. Luckily I had divided it two years earlier, so now I have it again and it was coming up before this latest cold spell. But it hasn't increased in it's new spot so well, but I'm happy it is alive. The earlier spot was dryer soil than where it is growing now.
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I just want to put this one here as well. A Blonde Inge type virescent nivalis. A yellow virescent, if you will. Actually, not a virescent anymore, is it?
A seedling from my own breeding. The mother is Blonde Inge. Late flowering.
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That´s a really interesting combination, John! Would You say the outers are marked more yellowish or more greenish?
Leena, Your double seedling of ´E.A. Bowles´ looks unique! Congratulations! My EAB was exceedingly slow to bulk, but after two very wet years it doubled. Perhaps I should try it in a less dry spot of my garden. Till now, I thought it would dislike my heavy clay.
Recently, I found a Blonde Inge - type of Galanthus elwesii var monostictus amongst potted snowdrops in a local flower shop.
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I just want to put this one here as well. A Blonde Inge type virescent nivalis. A yellow virescent, if you will. Actually, not a virescent anymore, is it?
A seedling from my own breeding. The mother is Blonde Inge. Late flowering.
Hello John, great to see you here once more!
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Galanthus platyphyllus
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That´s a really interesting combination, John! Would You say the outers are marked more yellowish or more greenish?
The outers have soft yellow stripes, Mariette.
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Hello John, great to see you here once more!
Thank you Maggi
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I can second to Leena about the Nordic condition on green and yellow snowdrop behavior.
In my experience cold and long winters contribute to stronger yellows and weaker green colours. Very low temperatures towards the end of the winter can cause even green and ordinary snowdrops turn to yellow. In those years, leaves can be partly yellow as well, not turning to green.
Later emerging and blooming can contribute also to fading green colour as sun is much brighter in March and April even here up north. This is normal blooming time for snowdrops in Estonia and Finland. Good examples are 'Rosemary Burnham' and 'Cowhouse Green' which show more pronounced green hues while opening but soon fading to near white.
This winter was mild and some of the earlier snowdrops started to bloom in the end of January which is very early for us. Yellows are paler this year and green ones bit stronger in colour.
This is how some of my green varieties looked today.
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Galanthus 'Green Tear'
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Galanthus 'Cowhouse Green'
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Galanthus 'Green Mile' - the strongest green in my garden
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Galanthus elwesii 'Rosemary Burnham'
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Galanthus nivalis 'Virescens'
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Thank You for Your interesting observations, Villu! They confirm the assumption that yellow and green marks are influenced by the strength of sunlight. Also in my more southern garden, snowdrops appear to be "yellow" when buried by rodents or moles deeper in the ground than they used to be. If forced to reach the sunlight with difficulties, leaves, receptacles and marks tend to be yellow, but turn green, either soon or next year. This seemed to be the case with some potted snowdrops offered recently - probably somebody tried to make use of bulbs which could not be sold last year and potted them somewhat too late.
An impressing collection of green snowdrops, by the way!
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The outers have soft yellow stripes, Mariette.
Thank You, John! Congratulations on having achieved a very desirable feature!
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Leena, Your double seedling of ´E.A. Bowles´ looks unique! Congratulations! My EAB was exceedingly slow to bulk, but after two very wet years it doubled. Perhaps I should try it in a less dry spot of my garden. Till now, I thought it would dislike my heavy clay.
Thanks Mariette. :)
Here it was last week.
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And how it looks inside.
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Another G.plicatus seedling which turned out double. This looks more greatorex type to me. On the left is single sister seedling.
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At first EAB seemed to bulk up well, but then it disappeared, and now in another (more moist) spot it is alive, but increased very slowly.
It is difficult to know which is a right spot for any one kind. Some are more tolerant of different conditions, some seem to be very particular in their needs, and even in my garden conditions vary. I can only try them in different spots to find out which one is good.
For instance I have had 'Wendy's Gold' in three different spots and in only one it thrives and increases very well. In all others it struggles, and at first I thought it was a difficult snowdrop here, but now when I found the right spot, it is very good. I have planted now other (new) yellow plicatus close to it in hope that they also like that spot, and they seem to be fine, though not flowering yet this year.
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I can second to Leena about the Nordic condition on green and yellow snowdrop behavior.
In my experience cold and long winters contribute to stronger yellows and weaker green colours. Very low temperatures towards the end of the winter can cause even green and ordinary snowdrops turn to yellow. In those years, leaves can be partly yellow as well, not turning to green.
Later emerging and blooming can contribute also to fading green colour as sun is much brighter in March and April even here up north. This is normal blooming time for snowdrops in Estonia and Finland. Good examples are 'Rosemary Burnham' and 'Cowhouse Green' which show more pronounced green hues while opening but soon fading to near white.
Villu, thank you for confirming my experiences with yellow and green snowdrops. They seem to behave differently here than in more south.
Great looking clumps of green snowdrops, congratulations!! :)
Here is my 'Green Tear' which is doing quite well and I am pleased with it.
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'Hagen Hastdunichtgesehn', planted last summer. It seems to have a bit bigger flower, or different shape. We'll see how it adjusts here in the future.
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Some more
'The Pearl'
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'Green of Hearts'
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'Bambino' which has now flowered more or less two months.
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Since I last posted we had a cold spell, then two weeks of very warm and all the spring flowers were coming up all at once.
There was even a record high temperature of +19C for this time of year. Then yesterday a cold came back, last night it was -10 again. It will warm up next week hopefully.
I have covered my Trilliums, Hepatica japonicas and some yellow Helleboruses with double fleece and hope that is enough. I can't cover the whole garden.
Some pictures from last week. A lot of white spots which are snowdrops and Leucojum vernum.
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'S.Arnott'
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'Brenda Troyle' with Leucojum vernum
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'Madelaine'
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'Treasure Island'
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'Poculi Perfect'
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'Wifi Big Bang'
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A very large 'Phil Davis' and tiny 'Midas'
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A tall plicatus seedling and small yellow Estonian nivalis 'Tuuliku 8'
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Such beautiful photos Leena and Villu. Thank you.
Your season seems to be longer this year.
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Leena, I´m glad that snowdrop-time has started with You now and enjoy Your gorgeous pictures very much! The plants look so great in the generous conditions You can offer them! It´s interesting to learn about Your double seedlings - I think I noticed only one in 30 years in my garden. The double E.A.Bowles-seedling looks really special - I hope it will grow better for You than EAB! Fingers crossed that the falling temperatures will do no harm!
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Ashley, our snowdrop season is longer indeed this year. :)
They flowered nicely almost all March and are still flowering well, though the earliest are going over. April is usually our snowdrop month.
This cold period now will last for a week, I hope everything is fine after that. Temperatures have been up and down all this winter with warmer and cold periods
Mariette, I was wondering the same myself. How of about 30 seedlings in two years I have gotten now two doubles, and not all seedlings have yet flowered. It must be that 'Flore Pleno' was right next to fertile plicatus, and that weather in those years was also favourable for pollinators. I was thinking that I must move some more 'Flore Pleno' to also other beds where there are fertile snowdrops. Though sometimes single flowers are prettier than doubles, singles are more elegant somehow, but in our colder weather the good thing about doubles is that they look better also in bad weather with round flowers.
Is 'Lady Elphinstone' as fertile (in pollen) as 'Flore Pleno'? And has it been used for crossing?