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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: mark smyth on June 08, 2008, 11:10:37 PM
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You may remember back in August I had lots of Pelargoniums seedlings. They have now come of age and are flowering nicely in the green house.
seedlings back in September
lost label
P. acetosum
P.aestivale
P. aridicola
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P. australe
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P.elongatum
P. x ignescens
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P. iocastrum
P. laxum - I'm sute this is wrong and should be P. carnosum
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P. myrrhifolium
P. myrrhifolium var coriandrifolium
P. parvipetalum
P. pulverulentum - night scented
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P. ranunculophyllum
P. triste
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and lastly but there will be more in flower when I get back from England
P. zonale hybrid
P. myrrhifolium went missing from the post above
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Mark,
Some stunners in there.In particular iocastrum, triste, that first lost label one, plus that delightful lemon yellow one in the first posting. So much variety in the pelargonium species shapes and colours that I had no idea about.
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A lovely collection Mark. I really like the yellow one too. An unusual color in Geraniaceae?
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I offered seeds last year and from memory only Fermi took some
What you dont see from the photos is how small some of the flowers are. What I'll do this weekend is measure the flowers and add the info to each name above.
Many of these are bulbous that you, Paul, should be able to grow outside
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Mark, do you have P. ionidiflorum? I used to have this one and lost it. If you do, I'd love to beg some seed from you.....
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Chris these little ones never really caught my eye. I'm nearly sure Fir Trees have it listed
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I'll have to take a trip down I guess. Tks anyway Mark.
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Paul I have seeds of iocastrum just ripened last weekend.
I have good seed set from my species Pelargoniums so watch this space for a list.
Others flowering now are ..
Once again the very floriferous P. acetosum
'Frank Headley' - so many flowers the leaves are hidden
'Frank Headley' x zonale - looks like my hybrid is this cross
a very dark P. peltatum
P. puncatum
P. tongaense
P. inquinans
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I'll tag on here some Pelargoniums seen in the green house of Broughton House, Kircudbright
'Duchess of Devonshire'
'Hindoo'
'Madam Nonin'
'Madam Thibault'
'Marchess of Bute'
'Marchoiness of Bute'
'Noel'
P. tricolor
P. trifidum
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Mark,
Glorious pictures as always. The perfection of that pic of P. tricolor.... the shape of the flowers on punctatum (how VERY cool)..... the colour of that peltatum..... the delicacy of the acetosum.... just wonderful!! Very enjoyable. :) :D
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So, Paul, do you want to iocastrum seeds?
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One more from my collection is P. scandens. It's related to P. zonale but has palmate leaves
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Nice flower on that one too. Could you possibly photograph a leaf as well, to show what you mean by the difference?
Thise stuff should really all be in a Pelargonium thread rather than here in the ID section. Too interesting to be hidden away here in the bowels of the SRGC. ;)
edit by Maggi.... and so it has been moved to Flowering Now!!
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Yes I know I was stoopid tagging the images here. Maybe the Hand of Maggi will come in?
Here are 'your' leaf photos.
P. zonale leaf
P. 'The Boar'
the hybrid
P. scandens
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There you go.... a "pellie" page in Flowering Now! No need to thank me, just keep sending the chocolate 8)
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Sorru Maggi.... too tight to spend money on sending chocolates to you.... you'll just have to be happy with my Thanks instead. THANKS MAGGI!!
Thanks for the leaf pics Mark. I love 'The Boar' in particular.
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sorry Maggi I didnt thanks you for moving all the images to here. Thanks! :-*
I have added some of my Pelarginiums to youtube
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=sandersii&p=r (http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=sandersii&p=r)
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Nice flower on that one too. Could you possibly photograph a leaf as well, to show what you mean by the difference?
Thise stuff should really all be in a Pelargonium thread rather than here in the ID section. Too interesting to be hidden away here in the bowels of the SRGC. ;)
edit by Maggi.... and so it has been moved to Flowering Now!!
Does this constitute a bowel movement? ???
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;D
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We were at Stourhead on Sunday. Richard Colt Hoare, who owned Stourhead in the early 1800's, had a collection of some 600 Pelargonium varieties and the National Trust are trying to recreate a collection of historic varieties. The original conservatory is long gone but they have bought a Victorian glasshouse from a garden in Sussex to house the collection.
First six pictures general views then;
Pelargonium abrotanifolium
P. burtoniae
P. 'Copthorne'
P. cotyledonis
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'Crimson Unique'
P. felicifolium (I'm not sure if that name is correct?? Could be P. denticulatum 'Filicifolium')
P. lanceolatum
Scarlet Pet
P. sidoides
A Happy Thought
Blanfordianum
cucullatum
Distinction
grandiflorum
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Miss Burdett Coutts
Red Black Vesuvius
Renate Parsley
P. reniforme
Shrubland Pet
White Unique
x apiifolium
x ardens
a more spreading plant of x apiifolium
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that that was a lovely day out!
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Gail, how many are in the collection now?
I love Renate Parsley, the leaves look very similar to one of my erodiums.
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I didn't do a head count but according to their website, about 60 taxa.
http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-vh/w-visits/w-findaplace/w-stourhead/w-stourhead-garden/w-stourhead-garden-plant_collection.htm
The gardener has an interesting blog here;
http://trustgardening.wordpress.com/
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Gail,
that's a great number of Pellies! Thanks for taking the time to post them for us to see.
"Renate Parsley" looks similar to "Splendide", which is a P. tricolor hybrid, I think.
cheers
fermi
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Gail, thanks for the links.
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On Tuesday I went to Fibrex nurseries at Pebworth near Stratford-on-Avon which has the National Collection of Pelargoniums, including a large number of the species. Fascinating place and they were having an 'end-of-season' sale of Pelargoniums at £1 each so I came away with rather more than were on my shopping list, although sadly they were out of some of the ones I wanted like P. caffrum and schizopetalum. Richard Key the co-owner has recently married Heather Angrave who runs the Old Walled Garden nursery in Kent and she has moved her stock to Fibrex so they have also got a wonderful range of interesting shrubs and conservatory plants such as hibiscus, correas and callistemons. I didn't realise till reading her list when I got home that she also has that most alien of plants Strongylodon macrobotrys, the Jade Vine - probably as well as I may have done something rash (plants are listed at £40!).
First 7 pics, general views
P. Schotti
Diana Hull
Monstrum
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Link to Fibrex website - http://www.fibrex.co.uk/index.asp
P. barklyi
P. glutinosum
P. fulgidum, coral pink form (they also have the red and a pretty salmon pink)
P. australe (Redonde form)
P. australe Inland form, fruiting. Many of the pelargoniums are as attractive as pulsatillas when seeding.
Eskay Gold
Eskay Verglo
Sarah Don
Roller's Satinique
Violet Unique
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A rather different collection is just a five minute drive away at The Domestic Fowl Trust in Honeyborne.
The bird I most wanted to bring home was an amazing Pied Turkey stag, I think he would look gorgeous strutting around our orchard. Prize for the ugliest bird went to a Transylvanian Naked Neck.
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Fibrex nurseries looks wonderful Gail - what terrific Pelargoniums filling those glasshouses as far as the eye can see. You've picked out some beauties and I love the leaf of P. barkyli and Eskay Gold is very unusual - were any of the leaves scented? I think I will have to find a reason to go there :D
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Hi Robin, Yes lots of scented leaved ones, species and hybrids. I bought a 'Chocolate Peppermint' and 'Brilliantine' (?eau de cologne scent). The ones I really like are those with night-scented flowers - P. triste, P. gibbosum etc are strongly fragrant but only between about 5pm and 8am; ideal really for those who are out at work all day.
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Thanks Gail - i can smell them from here ;D
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I've had my P. gibbosum inside for a while as I've been trying to cross pollinate it with some of my others such as the 'sweetheart pelargonium' Pelargonium echinatum (common name from the heart shaped markings that some forms have on the petals) to see if I can get some hybrids with the sweet scent of gibbosum. There are a number of old reports of gibbosum hybrids but I've not had any success yet but at least I can enjoy my plant's nightly output of fragrance without stumbling around in the dark outside.
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thanks for the photos. I must sow seeds next spring. My green house lay empty all summer this year.
P. australe is hardy in the UK but as you see it's a prolific seeder. If only all produced so much seed
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Gail that's a lovely pelargonium, the markings are so sweet.
Angie :)
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This is a hybrid called "Mallee Magic" which I presume was raised using Australian native species!
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Pelargonium triste in the garden,
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cheers
fermi
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Fermi,
Your triste is different to the flowers on mine. Yours look much whiter. Strong perfume at certain times as well.... seems to depend on time of day and age of the flowers. 8)
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from memory P. triste is night scented. Below is how my two looked before being killed by the winter of 2010
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Sorry to hear your tristes are no more Mark - I like the dark one. Mine is a sort of yellow colour. I'd read that P. triste was so-named because of the 'sad-looking' colour of the flowers but reading The Geraniaceae Group's Pelargonium Section Polyactium by Richard Clifton, he points out that the original description by Linnaeus says "noctu olens, triste" which means the night odour is evil (foul). I didn't think mine smelt unpleasant and would in fact have said it had a nice fragrance but memory is unreliable. It is just budding up at the moment so I will be able to check soon.
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The perfume of my plant of triste is almost candy-like, definitely not unpleasant.
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from memory P. triste is night scented. Below is how my two looked before being killed by the winter of 2010
Hi Mark,
I have two varieties, the first was grown from seed from Silverhills
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And the second came from a nursery at Lara, which had a stall at the Mt Macedon Plant Fair a few years ago,
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I could try to save seed for you (if any is set!)
cheers
fermi
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yes please. Any seeds from your collection would be great
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Nice, Fermi. Both definitely different markings to my triste. Mine is only small as yet, but if it multiplies I'll send you a piece to give you 3 colour forms (and increase your chances of seed ;D). I am guessing that likely not self fertile, so mine is unlikely to set seed by itself unfortunately, Mark. ::)
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Fermi, those two couldn't look more different. I also have doubts about the triste we grow, much like your second pic.
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from memory P. triste is night scented. Below is how my two looked before being killed by the winter of 2010
Sorry to hear you lost these, Mark, they really look wonderful in your photographs.
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Thanks RR. Have you seen these? http://marksgardenplants.com/pelargoniums4.htm (http://marksgardenplants.com/pelargoniums4.htm) each small photo can be clicked to reveal the larger photo
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P. caffrum and schitzopetalum are very nice ones ::) Is the almot black one P. sidoides ?
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We were at Stourhead on Sunday. Richard Colt Hoare, who owned Stourhead in the early 1800's, had a collection of some 600 Pelargonium varieties and the National Trust are trying to recreate a collection of historic varieties. The original conservatory is long gone but they have bought a Victorian glasshouse from a garden in Sussex to house the collection.
somehow i fell behind on this thread--some lovely things there, gail! imagine having so much space around the plants! i think its clear enough now that pellies are not plantae non gratae here ;D
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nice ones, fermi--and i didn't know there were australian pellies!
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Pelargonium quercifolium, grown from seed, has survived on my roadside
for 14 years. It got killed back one bad winter, but recovered in spring.
It has produced a couple of seedlings.
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Pelargonium quercifolium, grown from seed, has survived on my roadside
for 14 years. It got killed back one bad winter, but recovered in spring.
Hi Diane,
that looks similar to one we have in the garden - originally growing in a tub, but escaped via the drainage holes as "root cuttings" when we moved the pot! Are the leaves scented?
Cohan,
there are a few Aussie pellies - almost unknown in most Aussie gardens! The Native Plant growers seem to be the only people familiar with them. A local one is Pelargonium rodneyanum which is a brilliant magenta and a thrill to discover growing nearby (our plants were bought from a nursery - Not dug out of the bush!)
Another South African one making itself at home in our Rock garden (and here just in the pathway!) is Pelargonium iocastrum,
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cheers
fermi
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Nice, Fermi. Both definitely different markings to my triste. Mine is only small as yet, but if it multiplies I'll send you a piece to give you 3 colour forms (and increase your chances of seed ;D). I am guessing that likely not self fertile, so mine is unlikely to set seed by itself unfortunately, Mark. ::)
Paul,
it would be great to have another form!
The Silverhills form that I have does set seed - possibily because there was more than one seedling originally but I think the one from Lara also set a few seed last year. The trick is being around when they ripen and before they disperse ;D
Mark,
Pelargonium alchemilloides (from you as seed) is now self sowing in the shade-house and the gravel area outside! In the sun it develops much more marked ("zonal") foliage. I'll try to take a pic soon. We've donated seed of it to the AGS Seedex recently.
cheers
fermi
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Yes, my quercifolium has a distinct strong scent when rubbed. Not pleasant
like most pelargoniums. I can't decide what it resembles. A bit like gasoline? (petrol)
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Yes, my quercifolium has a distinct strong scent when rubbed. Not pleasant
like most pelargoniums. I can't decide what it resembles. A bit like gasoline? (petrol)
Sounds like the same one we have.
I'll try for a pic later.
cheers
fermi
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Cohan,
there are a few Aussie pellies - almost unknown in most Aussie gardens! The Native Plant growers seem to be the only people familiar with them. A local one is Pelargonium rodneyanum which is a brilliant magenta and a thrill to discover growing nearby (our plants were bought from a nursery - Not dug out of the bush!)
cheers
fermi
good to know, hopefully we will get to see pics of them; i'm always interested in australian natives, since few of them seem to be well known, certainly true of the few succulents--almost never heard of in cactus and succulent circles..
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Good to read my P alchemilloides is doing OK. If only it had larger flowers. One of my plants survived -11 last winter
P. iocastrum is so small and cute. You will have to collect the seeds as soon as you see them. They are tiny and once they fall you will never find them. This is my finger beside a flower.
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Link to Fibrex website - http://www.fibrex.co.uk/index.asp
P. australe Inland form, fruiting. Many of the pelargoniums are as attractive as pulsatillas when seeding.
If only the rarer Pelargoniums would set as much seed as P. australe. It should be hardy in most of the UK. Woottens have a prostate form with small flowers which may be the Tazmanian form or another species
http://www.woottensplants.co.uk/plview.asp?ID1=1674#thumb (http://www.woottensplants.co.uk/plview.asp?ID1=1674#thumb)
This is a plant that self seeded in to my crevice bed
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Good to read my P alchemilloides is doing OK. If only it had larger flowers. One of my plants survived -11 last winter
Well, I guess I can stop giving it shelter in the shadehouse then!
This is the one that came up outside in the gravel
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Yes, my quercifolium has a distinct strong scent when rubbed. Not pleasant
like most pelargoniums. I can't decide what it resembles. A bit like gasoline? (petrol)
Sounds like the same one we have.
I'll try for a pic later.
Diane,
here's the one we grow:
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cheers
fermi
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For those with a big interest in Pelargoniums you should buy, if you have the money, the three part Pelargoniums of Southern Africa. Three excellent books. They now sell for £100 to £300 each :o
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For those with a big interest in Pelargoniums you should buy, if you have the money, the three part Pelargoniums of Southern Africa. Three excellent books. They now sell for £100 to £300 each :o
I would love them Mark but that is a big if! "if you have the money"
My birthday money has however stretched to an order with Fibrex - including Pelargonium schizopetalum.
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This year I've got flowering my p. schizopetalum for the first time. :D
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Good grief!! :o That's an amazing Pelargonium! :o
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This year I've got flowering my p. schizopetalum for the first time. :D
That's wonderful Susan - I can't wait to get mine!
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well done Susan. I think this plant is night scented
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Some years ago I've got this pelargonium under the name of P. quinquelobatum. Now somebody told me, that it is not. Does anyone has an idea, what it coud be?