Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: Hans J on June 19, 2008, 12:26:52 PM
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Dear all , 8)
yes -I know Nerium is not a typical plant for a rockgarden .....but maybe some will like those flowers ::)
Now here is again sun and we have a lot of flowers in this time on our terrasse :
Nerium oleander red flowers ( bougth from a nursery in Cannobio/ Italy)
Nerium oleander pink flowers ( grown from seed by myself- this is a cross between our red and the white ...now around 13years old )
Nerium oleander white flowers ( from friends )
Nerium oleander pink flore plena ( from neighbars )
Nerium oleander salmon flowers ( from friends )
Nerium oleander yellow flowers ( bougth from a nursery in South France )
In fall when we must bring all this big and heavy pots in our cellar and garage we are sometimes not so happy with them ....but now it is wonderful !
Best wishes
Hans
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What nice variety you have there, Hans. These flowers remind me of our gardens in Libya.....no need to be protecting those plants in winter! My Mother was especially fond of them, she would have loved the yellow, but I don't remember having that colour.
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Maggi ,
you make me envy with your time in Lybia :'(
You write it also in a other tread about the turtles that you have live there .....
there are many interesting plants -special when I think on Cyclamen rolfsianum ...now inthis time is it not so funny to go there ...
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Hi Hans,
you have a nice range of varieties. Most time you can see a pink one, maybe a white one, but not all those colours in one garden.
Bye the way, now I know where to send my small Nerium which I have grown from seed *grin*
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Do you like any cuttings Renate ?
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Hans,
They're a good grower in our climate here as well. Good old fashioned "grandmother" type of plant (i.e one of those old plants grown by your grandmother). I've seen the yellow in nurseries this summer but I already have a few (semi-double white, double apricot, double apricot with variegated leaves, single "red", peach) but if I had room I'd grow more. Such a long show of flowers and no care or attention required.
Out of interest, why do you shelter these in winter? I thought they should do fine for you outside? I know cold is no problem at all to them here, not by a long way, but I guess you must get colder there.
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They do very well in the warmer, coastal parts of NZ too. A few about Dunedin as well. I remember huge great flowering plants in Greece. Magnificent, they were.
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Hans,
They're a good grower in our climate here as well. Good old fashioned "grandmother" type of plant (i.e one of those old plants grown by your grandmother). I've seen the yellow in nurseries this summer but I already have a few (semi-double white, double apricot, double apricot with variegated leaves, single "red", peach) but if I had room I'd grow more. Such a long show of flowers and no care or attention required.
Out of interest, why do you shelter these in winter? I thought they should do fine for you outside? I know cold is no problem at all to them here, not by a long way, but I guess you must get colder there.
Paul ,
I agree not that this plants are easy ....it is always a shock from the cellar to the garden and back -and a lot of animal and fungi like the Oleander - I have to do a lot to make it in this condition !
We have it tried with let them outside on a shelter place ....they have survived but they looks really bad in next spring .
The problem is they can survive until - 5 ° C ......but for the buds ( for next year is this not well ).
I have seen this plants often around the mediterranean sea -always along rivers ( nero is greek and it means water ) -they grows there always only in frostfree areas -the plants are there until 4- 5 m high and has very strong branches .....this plants are really healthy and need no care !
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Interesting Thread
At our previous ,(sunnier) ,property only 3 ks away from here i grew Nerium in a very dry spot under the east eaves of the house were it received the morning sun and was sheltered from the prevailing westerly weather. Admittedly some of the foliage blackened after frosts up to -9C occurred however it flowered reliably ,but late in the season .At the time we sold the property the plant had reached about 2.5 metres in height.
I must go past the house to see if the plant still exists as i'd love to have a go at growing it again.
Any ideas on how easy they are from cuttings ?--is bottom heat is a requirement?.
Cheers dave.
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Hans,
They're used here at times in council plantings, out in the open with no protection of any form. They thrive at -9'C and colder in parts of Canberra, flowering prolifically every year. Some years I prune mine just before winter and they sail through without a problem at all. I find that if you prune them each year they end up much thicker, thereby becoming less rangy and "see through" like they do if left to grow by themselves. I certainly had no idea that they weren't supposed to like frost..... they usually get plenty of it around here. ;D Not this year though as it has been a very mild winter so far. ::)
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Dave :
They are easy from cuttings .....take it in a jar ,fill it with water ,pit the cuttings inside -thats all ....after some weeks they have roots
Paul :
It seems you have a better climate for Oleander - maybe we have more rain ....
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I'm wondering actually whether our hotter summers mature the wood better to initiate flowers or something like that? I know that a lot of people here on the forums have been surprised at some of the things that grow here quite happily which don't do as well elsewhere...... so often it seems that it isn't the winter temps that are the killers but rather the absence of a strong summer. Then again with the good alpines our strong summers are a death sentence. ::) What you lose on the swings you gain on the roundabout. (now, how many of you are going to understand that comment? No idea whether it is an Australianism or not! ;D)
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Thanks Hans
Looks like i'll need to go *tiki touring to see if i can obtain cutting material .If so i'll give it a go as if i remember correctly the plant in question was a nice soft apricot colour.
Paul --swings and roundabouts --well understood this side of the ditch .
*Now how many are going to understand 'tiki touring'......Hehe.
Cheers dave.
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I'm wondering actually whether our hotter summers mature the wood better to initiate flowers or something like that? I know that a lot of people here on the forums have been surprised at some of the things that grow here quite happily which don't do as well elsewhere...... so often it seems that it isn't the winter temps that are the killers but rather the absence of a strong summer.
I think the lack of enough summer warmth must be the issue with oleanders. We have grown them for several years, but never once a flower. They are just about hardy here, but as Hans says, they do not enjoy the winter and the buds drop. We have tried leaving them out all winter in a sheltered place, and we have tried bringing them into a frost free situation. But never a flower, although the buds form, they then drop. I've seen them in the wild, in southern Spain where they were growing in a seasonal wet stream bed with constant water in spring, but very hot and dry in the summer. Hard to replicate that here.
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Dave
No idea what 'tiki touring' is, but I do recognise Paul's swings & roundabouts'
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Come on then Dave, put me out of my misery, what is 'tiki touring'
I have an Oleander in my greenhouse which usually flowers (if somewhat poorly) each year. I have tried it outside in the past but it doesn't like my wet climate at all.
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Come on then Dave, put me out of my misery, what is 'tiki touring'
Well, I think it is unlikely to be the holiday company set up by Thor Heyerdahl, cruising in replica KonTiki craft ;) ;D
Paul, your swings and roundabouts saying is well used in the UK, too.
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Rightio Arthur
We can't have Mr Nicholson in misery now can we---so my definition of 'tiki touring' is----
someone cruising about in a vehicle with a destination in mind ,but so relaxed it is of no consequence if there are distractions or detours along the way.
I'll paint a picture for you David---canopy down --wind in the face--arm over the side of the car --hair plastered down with hair gel,(brylcreme?)--radio at near full volume playing a song by Lionel Ritchie and the Commodores ...........Wink.
Not sure where the word tiki comes from--i seem to remember a travel company called Contiki tours ,(for the under 30's around Europe ).However that was many years ago --maybe that is the connection.
Cheers Dave.
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Dave will no doubt correct or add, but my idea of tiki touring is to travel more or less locally, on the off chance that there will be something somewhere, worth picking up/buying/appropriating etc. A sort of "let's see what's around today," in an exploratory way. Quite casual.
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You got there just before me Dave, but I guess the two replies are more or less compatible. :)
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From the New Zealand Oxford Dictionary: "a usually extensive or comprehensive journey of inspection etc (went on a tiki tour of all the sites) originating from the name of the tourist company" Origin Maori.
I think Dave is right and it comes from the Contiki tours that were a youth-oriented company which was started by a young New Zealander named John Anderson who arrived in Europe in 1961 with no companions and very little money. He acquired a minibus, gathered a group of travellers and spent 12 weeks exploring the continent. The informal tour was a hit, and three years later Anderson founded Contiki Tours. It is still going and is only for 18-35 year olds.
Hope that makes it a bit more clear.
Susan. (Bit old to go on one now!)
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Lionel Ritchie and the Commodores! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :'(
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and here special for David :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFHbGuSRAwg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTsw4g-cxgQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7C_ocGy5tE&feature=related
have fun
Hans ;)
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Hans, my Ahhhhhhhhs were meant to represent a shriek of pain. So your links gave me three shrieks of pain ;D
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David I heard the echo, those shrieks of pain must have come right down to the Southern Hemisphere.
Susan
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Hans, my Ahhhhhhhhs were meant to represent a shriek of pain. So your links gave me three shrieks of pain ;D
David :
I'm really sorry that I have shoked you with Lionel Ritchie - in case maybe look :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFffQ2SnxhM&feature=related
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Aw no ---not Mick Jagger !!!.
Now i'm the one with the shrieks of pain.
Ahhhh... !
Hans --how could you !!
Dave.
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You know, I am SO glad that i resist the temptation to click on links. Sometimes it really pays off..... like not having to listen to either of those mentioned above!!! ;D ;D ;D
Hans, you're slightly evil I think..... but in a good way!!! ;)
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Ahhhh, Mick Jagger - now that's more like it.
Susan
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That's more my scene too Hans ;D
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Anyone for Beethoven? :)
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Haven't got a thing against Beethoven, Lesley, but I am very fond of Bach, Handel, Scarlatti and Telemann.........The Band, Neil Young....... my taste is catholic in the extreme! ;D
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my taste is catholic in the extreme! ;D
Caesar Franck?
johnw
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Anyone for Beethoven? :)
And while we're on U-tube, Lesley, click here for Beethoven
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd0UAdpBNUg
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Caesar Franck?
johnw
Absolutely!
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The Beethoven is brilliant Diane, and likewise, the conducting version. ;D
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Purcell :-* :-*
I possibly prefer Purcell to Nerium oleander - irredeemably associated with motorways and leaves/bugs falling into swimming pools.
Chloë
(whose mother toured Australia and New Zealand with an orchestra in 1946!!)
(too much work to read the forum properly :'( :'()
(though too much work is good if you are a freelancer ...)
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Anyone for Beethoven? :)
And while we're on U-tube, Lesley, click here for Beethoven
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd0UAdpBNUg
Diane - Thanks for that, brilliant as usual but he's no Joyce Hatto.
johnw
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my taste is catholic in the extreme! ;D
Caesar Franck?
johnw
Yes , indeed
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The Band, Neil Young....... my taste is catholic in the extreme! ;D
Didn't realize until now I was that catholic Maggi ? ??? ;)
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Luc, you don't agree that liking Neil Young and Telemann suggests a degree of catholicism in taste? :-\ Actually, looking at our house, you might we had taste, if not catholic then certainly ecclesiastical... we collect stained glass, and many of the biggest pieces are rescued from old churches!! ::)
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Mmm not sure we understand each other fully Maggi, I probably didn't express myself 100 % correctly. :-\
What I meant was that I like The Band, Neil Young and Telemann too - so that made me realize I was just as catholic as you are... ;D ;D
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Luc, I think we are both confusing ourselves!! Quite fun, though, isn't it?
Have you heard the CD by Alison Krauss and Robert Plant? Sounds to me that you would like that too!
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Caesar Franck?
johnw
And Messiaen of course.
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And Messiaen of course.
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Careful those birds might eat that fetching new hat.
johnw
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Chloë
(whose mother toured Australia and New Zealand with an orchestra in 1946!!)
A quick trip back to this thread, to ask Chloe, which orchestra? Not that I would have attended, just 3 at the time.