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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Tim Harberd on February 06, 2023, 10:04:15 PM
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My best yellow seedling has put up four flowers (following last year’s two), so reasonably vigorous. The yellow is (IMHO) better than either parent (Bill Clark and my favourite un-named sandersii) Sadly its a bit small, only 12cm high. This seedling produces plenty of pollen. It received a good dose of Mrs Macnamara’s in return. (Black plastic spoons work very well for pollen transfer.)
Tim DH
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Full on snowdrop mode here - most people I've asked have reported an exceptional year for flowers. The yellows are loving the sun.
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While everything is flowering, I'm having a little fun with images.
The first montage is of our Myths and Legends series of ipocs
The second of twin-flowered cultivars performing well this year: left to right Chantry Green Twins, Mrs Thompson, Kite, One Drop or Two.
Finally a surprise twin in the poculiform seedlings!
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Our poculiform Dryad Blizzard is HUGE this year. And KERA is a crinkly delight. Don't try to tell it apart from Diggory at ten paces.
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Anne & Tim
Lovely show! Mine haven't started yet, but the green shoots have broken ground with a promise.
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Hi Anne,
I've been trying to get Diggory up a bit. ... No progress so far! How tall is your Kera?
Tim DH
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It's about 15cm high. I didn't breed it, it is Estonian.
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Your garden is looking fantastic with the cyclamen and galanthus, Anne!
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Photo taken from my favourite seat :)
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Photo taken from my favourite seat :)
....well, that's good news, you got to rest yourself on it for at least as long as it took you to get the photo!!
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Got it in one!
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I see so many beautiful and interesting bells with you. I would like to show a gift from Kai here.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AMWts8BLFqa6ytQxiF3a9LpyDoeRqNp7I9wCmoUZGT5ZrN9nlC1hB7mIgZfYvGtz3eAMahp_CzGj2R6NThQ4FHzWHD3zUWnNbtXtg1RAP5dsk8QUcA0_FqOcLh3z6EIwMIzHTI7OhHdNqyf-ZGbpbNw10JDpww=w634-h313-no?authuser=0)
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Very nice Jörg!
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Checking the seedlings this morning, it really struck me how the relative lengths of outer and inner segments vary in the ipocs. I usually tell people that, effectively, poculiforms (pocs) have 6 outer segments and inverse pocs (ipocs) have 6 inners.
The different lengths of the outers and inners on the ipocs can radically change the shape of the flower.
This is demonstrated by the following snapshots taken just now. With a greater difference in length, the flower has much more leeway to flare out.
In the images below, the first of each pair shows the shape of the flower, while the second shows a view from underneath.
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Last images below. The final 2 photos show the pair of seedlings that started me off on this track. I'm rather partial to the little EYE-POC.
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Fantastic
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Tim, snowdrops with yellow receptacles are my favourites - it will be interesting to learn of Your results!
Also, I tend to fall for elegant shapes, this is ´Mary Ann Gibbs´.
(https://up.picr.de/45187000qr.jpg)
A seedling of ´Daglingworth´, growing well in my garden.
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A ´Trymlet´- seedling, growing better than its mother for me.
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´Pale ´Face´with its slender receptacle is new in my garden.
(https://up.picr.de/45187003gm.jpg)
It´s good that nowadays there is more variation in the yellows, this is ´Golden Tears´, with ´Primrose Warburg´to the right.
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Mariette, your snowdrop pictures are wonderful and it gives me hope that spring will come here too (in a month or two).
I love it how you have seedlings growing in your garden, and with new yellow snowdrops you have such a wide genepool.
'Golden Tears' is so nice. How would you compare it to 'Golden Fleece' in size?
Yellow snowdrops are little suns in the garden. :)
And I love your seedling of 'Danglingworth'.
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Yes, the sunny effect of yellow snowdrops is very important, especially at times when the weather is dull.
It´s difficult to compare ´Golden Fleece´and ´Golden Tears´. Regarding size, I think, there isn´t much difference. The flowers of the latter are more compact, whereas the former is more elegant in shape.
Reading the delightful book of Anne Repnow, I came to like ´Cider with Rosie´. Now in my garden, the impression is much the same. I´d wish there would be more books like this!
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A few "whites" from the rockgarden today.
Galanthus "Clare Blakeway-Philips"
Galanthus elwesii "Cedric Prolific"
Galanthus elwesii "Daphne's Scissors"
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Galanthus imperatii "Ginn's form"
Galanthus nivalis "Galatea"
Galanthus plicatus "Sophie North"
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That's a great clump of Sophie North!
This is Kudrus, my favourite of the Estonian Spirit Group.
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Not all snowdrops are garden-worthy. Here is a huge clump that rarely manages to flower but must have built itself up by division
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My Galanthus elwissii started this morning.
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Luc, how nice clumps of snowdrops in your garden. 'Clare Blakeway-Philips' is so floriferous and 'Sophie North' very cute. Here 'Sophie North' has been a very slow increaser, not at all so big as yours. You must have just what it likes. :)
Anne, 'Kudrus' does look really nice, it is no wonder it is your favourite.
Alan, really big clump of just leaves. ??? Is it just that it increases too fast and bulbs become too small to flower..
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Alan, really big clump of just leaves. ??? Is it just that it increases too fast and bulbs become too small to flower..
The clump produces flowers which would be doubles if they managed to open but the vast majority don't manage it. I've been noticing this clump for 18 years now and it has always been big and non-flowering. Maybe it is too congested or under-fertilised? It always has leaves in abundance and the odd flower.
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The clump produces flowers which would be doubles if they managed to open but the vast majority don't manage it. I've been noticing this clump for 18 years now and it has always been big and non-flowering. Maybe it is too congested or under-fertilised? It always has leaves in abundance and the odd flower.
Alan, that is strange, and not good. :(
I have noticed that when clumps become congested, the bulbs come close to surface and some are "spit" out from ground. Maybe this is their way to ensure that there is enough room for bulbs which are left.
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Its also quite a good way for a snowdrop to propagate itself. The bulbs that are "spat out" get blown or washed away to somewhere else where they may be able to take root and eventually form a new clump.
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The clump produces flowers which would be doubles if they managed to open but the vast majority don't manage it. I've been noticing this clump for 18 years now and it has always been big and non-flowering. Maybe it is too congested or under-fertilised? It always has leaves in abundance and the odd flower.
Alan, what is the name of this snowdrop?
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Galanthus trojanus result of fasciation bloomed with more petals on one flower, the other is normal.
(https://i.imgur.com/KjxlGAm.jpg)
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My chipped snowdrop South Hayes, bought 2016 from Edrom Nursery. It doesn't lose its green markings completely. It's slowly developing, maybe because I'm not paying it enough attention.
(https://i.imgur.com/kjMLvRE.jpg)
This was bought two years ago from another nursery, with the assurance that the bulb is not chipped, and I hope to have a nice plant now!
(https://i.imgur.com/n06be8H.jpg)
Galanthus 'South Hayes'
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This year, quite a few snowdrops show modified green marks in my garden as well as in others. For instance, ´Yashmak´ lost its veil.
(https://up.picr.de/45222432az.jpg)
A collector gardening south of where I live reports the same, whereas others gardening in the cooler north of Germany didn´t notice this change. I think it must be ascribed to the very hot weather last summer with 40 ° C in the shade. Also, ´South Hayes´and some of its seedlings show disturbed marks, though usually flowering with the normal pattern.
It would be great if Your G. trojanus would go on producing more than 3 tepals - it looks very nice like this!
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It would be great if Your G. trojanus would go on producing more than 3 tepals - it looks very nice like this!
(https://i.imgur.com/eFDA2vK.jpg)
A temporary anomaly I think...here's a pic from last spring.
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Alan, what is the name of this snowdrop?
No name. It grows in a naturalised population of Galanthus nivalis where there is also some naturalised Galanthus plicatus sbsp. byzantinus.
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We don't have truly wild snowdrops in the UK but I like to look at the naturalised populations. Here the snowdrops with less glaucous leaves have finished flowering but those with more glaucous leaves are still going strong. So does the glaucosity fade with age causing the snowdrops that appeared and flowered earlier to be less glaucous now? Or are there two different sorts concealed amongst the nivalis population?
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So does the glaucosity fade with age causing the snowdrops that appeared and flowered earlier to be less glaucous now? Or are there two different sorts concealed amongst the nivalis population?
Interesting! :)
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Interesting! :)
:)
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(https://i.imgur.com/ilqkHRp.jpg)
Galanthus artjuschenkoae
The name artjuschenkoae was once considered synonymous with galanthus transcaucasicus, but the two plants are completely different in their leaf vernification; transcaucasicus has superspatial vernation (one leaf coils around the other) while artjuschenkoae has applauded vernation (leaves are flat together)
(https://i.imgur.com/mP7Eo12.jpg)
Galanthus transcaucasicus
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Stefan, really nice. I also admired your G.trojanus earlier. My G.trojanus (grown from Holubeck seeds) is still under snow, but it is always starting to grow early, and it is a bit prone to frost damage. It has normal number of petals.
Do you have different kinds of G.lagodechianus (of different origin)? Some of mine are really hardy, but the one from Armenia died last winter, so it wasn't as hardy as others.
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The name artjuschenkoae was once considered synonymous with galanthus transcaucasicus, but the two plants are completely different in their leaf vernification; transcaucasicus has superspatial vernation (one leaf coils around the other) while artjuschenkoae has applauded vernation (leaves are flat together)
I must check on my G. transcaucasicus - verinteresting information.
Leena: I have the same experience with G. lagodechianus. Those that aren't really hardy have disappeared by now...
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Stefan is right - indeed, G. transcaucasicus should be of supervolute vernation.
Gardening in one of the parts in Germany with milder climate, I never noticed any difficulty regarding hardiness in G. lagodechianus. Yet there are some clones, which tend to be shy flowering, whereas others cause no trouble.
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Not all snowdrops are garden-worthy. Here is a huge clump that rarely manages to flower but must have built itself up by division
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I noticed the same with some clones of Greatorex-heritage - becoming congested they tend to refuse flowering.
More delightful for me is this green-tipped poc.
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Close-up.
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´Flocon de Neige´was a present of a dear friend.
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´Gloria´, a tall poc growing well.
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´Melanie Broughton´with yet another green-tipped poc behind.
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Leena: I have the same experience with G. lagodechianus. Those that aren't really hardy have disappeared by now...
My oldest G.lagodechianus is very hardy and flowers well, and because I liked it, I have now two other clones bought two years ago and hopefully I see how they flower this spring.
I had earlier one clone from Armenia (bought from Augis bulbs) which was an earlier flowering and very nice, different than what my older one was, and it succumbed to last winter. Luckily I was able to buy the same one again last autumn, so I will see how it does the second time. I bought also another one from Augis (origin Piatigorsk) so I hope it will be a good one and different from the Armenian one. We'll see. My old G.lagodechianus was so hardy (growing well even in places without snow and very cold, and never suffered any cold damage) that I thought all of them are very hardy, but clearly not. Maybe because there are several species lumped to G.lagodechianus so that makes the the difference in hardiness. Anyway, I can't wait to see them in a few months time. :)
Mariette, your green-tipped pocs are very nice, and 'Gloria' also.
'Melanie Broughton' has been a slow increaser for me, perhaps I should change its place. It now grows in a dryish spot.
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Stefan, really nice. I also admired your G.trojanus earlier. My G.trojanus (grown from Holubeck seeds) is still under snow, but it is always starting to grow early, and it is a bit prone to frost damage. It has normal number of petals.
Do you have different kinds of G.lagodechianus (of different origin)? Some of mine are really hardy, but the one from Armenia died last winter, so it wasn't as hardy as others.
I only have one type bought 2019 from a Dutch site and I don't know where exactly it is from unfortunately. I have another problem, it hasn't bloomed yet, it's been four seasons and it's developing very slowly. Maybe I'm not taking good care of this snowdrop.
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Stefan is right - indeed, G. transcaucasicus should be of supervolute vernation.
Gardening in one of the parts in Germany with milder climate, I never noticed any difficulty regarding hardiness in G. lagodechianus. Yet there are some clones, which tend to be shy flowering, whereas others cause no trouble.
Mariette, моят G. lagodechianus сигурно е от мързеливите... :(
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A few G. nivalis from Slovenia, lovely little snowdrops.
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And a few G. gracilis from Bulgaria.
(https://i.imgur.com/d8vKH0H.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JUeplbI.jpg)
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In this group there are always flowers with four or more petals.
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And in this group the florets are strangely deformed.
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From the back, 'Wendy's Gold' with "Whittlesford Yellow" to the right being buried under "small" Helleborus foetidus 'Wester Flisk Group'.
"caucasicus late from ex Kath Dryden" ex Tim Ingram. This flowered a lot earlier down south.
'Percy Picton', Silene dioica 'Grahams Delight', snowdrop not flowering this year.
Galanthus nivalis; does this look familiar Leena? Dark-leaved violet that came with the garden.
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I only have one type bought 2019 from a Dutch site and I don't know where exactly it is from unfortunately. I have another problem, it hasn't bloomed yet, it's been four seasons and it's developing very slowly. Maybe I'm not taking good care of this snowdrop.
Too bad. :( I have read that there are clones which flower not well.
Your Slovenian G.nivalis look really nice and I also like your G.gracilis. I haven't tried it here, I'm not sure if it is hardy enough, but I don't know..
Galanthus nivalis; does this look familiar Leena? Dark-leaved violet that came with the garden.
Is it mine? :) It's flower are like any other nivalis, l but it flowers well and has been the best increaser here and set's seeds reliably. I have another clone of G.nivalis (a bit smaller and later flowering) which is also a good increaser, but that clone never sets seeds. I have bought nameless G.nivalis from garden centers and once from Eurobulb, and they are all weaker than "my own", which seems to have adapted well here. I once sen't its seed to Alaska, I wonder how they are doing over there?
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Too bad. :( I have read that there are clones which flower not well.
I think the primary lagodechianus clone in circulation in the UK is like this. It produces plenty of leaves and few flowers. It's quite easy to get hold of because nobody likes it!
Is it mine? :) It's flower are like any other nivalis, l but it flowers well and has been the best increaser here and set's seeds reliably.
Yes it is. I'm not sure I could distinguish it by looks from the nivalis that were in my garden when I got here. It has certainly increased well; there is another larger clump elsewhere. I haven't noticed any seedlings yet.
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Yes it is. I'm not sure I could distinguish it by looks from the nivalis that were in my garden when I got here. It has certainly increased well; there is another larger clump elsewhere. I haven't noticed any seedlings yet.
Yes, it looks like normal nivalis. :)
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Unseasonable warmth followed by many frosty nights have caused most of my snowdrops to go over. Still, a couple of yellows are at their best and there are still some very late ones like 'Hugh Mackenzie', 'Poculi Perfect' and late nivalis to look forward to.
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Spring is on it's way. Two weeks ago it was 65, then cold and snow.
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Mariette, моят G. lagodechianus сигурно е от мързеливите... :(
Stefan, my first clone of G. lagodechianus was also of the heavily clumping but shy flowering kind. Meanwhile, I acquired several others which flower satisfactorily.
This one bears green marks on its outers.
(https://up.picr.de/45291222lj.jpg)
This one flowers well, too.
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That is a very cute little G. lagodechianus, Mariette!
Your first clone sounds a bit like one I have which originates from Kabardino-Balkaria. It is sterile and produces lots of daughter bulbs. Some years there are lots of flowers, some years there are mainly leaves. 2023 was a year for flowers...
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Somehow the first pic got lost somewhere, but is no re-added.
My shy-flowering G. lagodechianus came from an elderly friend, later I ordered some from Baltic suppliers. The first pic shows one of these. Some years ago You were so kind to send me one which may be either G. lagodechianus or cabardensis - it´s still potted in the green-house, as it doesn´t flower regularly.
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Mariette, your G.lagodechianus look very nice, and different from each other. The second one is so cute. :) I like it when leaves are so short during flowering time.
Anne, I like your plant. I wonder if weather will affect how it flowers. Have you noticed differences in years when it does and when it doesn't flower?
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Thank You Leena, I like these green-leaved species very much. Also, they seem to sport seedlings or mutations with yellow receptacle or marks quite often, which I appreciate very much. I think these go very well with green leaves, having noticed this in some of my G. lagodechianus, rizehensis and woronowii. Still, I have to watch if this feature ic stable.
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I like these green-leaved species very much. Also, they seem to sport seedlings or mutations with yellow receptacle or marks quite often, which I appreciate very much.
This is interesting, I haven't noticed it (yet), but only now I will have more from different sources flowering (hopefully, when the snow melts) so that might help.