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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Claire Cockcroft on June 14, 2020, 11:00:41 PM
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It is cardiocrinum time. The weather has been cool, so the short-lived flowers are slow opening and may last until the heat hits at the end of the week.
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Okay, so cardiocrinum isn't lilium. Here is one I think is Lilium pardalinum ssp. pardalinum. It showed up in a pot.
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Nice, Claire!
Lilium pensylvanicum (dauricum) is the first bloom for me.
This one from seed collected on Sakhalin Island.
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Lilium pensylvanicum (dauricum alpinum)
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Other L. pensylvanicum pics.
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Lovely lilies or not from you both. I have 3 stems on my Martagon lily and I'm just waiting for them all to open.
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Beautiful lilies, the tiny L. pensylvanicum and the statuesque Cardiocrinums.
A few lilies have started blooming here the last week or so. The smallest one is the L. oxypetalum var insigne, I got the bulb from Pitcairn Alpines some years ago. The largest one (so far) is a L. pyrenaicum from SRGC seed. The one pictured has five flowers, most of the others have 2-4, but one has seven flowers. The last one I do not know what is. It is tall, about 90 cm (3 feet), has strap-like leaves, and a single very pure orange flower on a thin stem. Any suggestions?
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That's a very neat form of pyrenaicum!
Your mystery lily looks and sounds like Lilium callosum, to me.
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Those green stripes on L. pyrenaicum are fantastic!
...Claire
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Lililum pomponium - seeds collected 1993 in the French Southern Alps -
some years ago nearly lost by a slug attack but this time feeling alright
Gerd
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Thank you Rick. Having now read about L callosum it does seem like it, except for its size (big at about 4 cm across) and that it blooms now, early compared to descriptions I find of L. callosum blooming in July and August.
The green stripes are very nice, Claire. I have three groups from the original seedlings, they all have some green, but the group of the one in the photo has the most prominent green stripes.
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Interesting about pomponium. I didn't know they ever had any black markings.
Knud, the pot in my pic above is a 9.2cm square, 15cm deep. The white name tag is a mini blind, 2.5cm wide. When the tepals are recurved, the flowers are 2.5 up to 3.5cm across, with the dozen or so plants I have grown. Mine are from wild seed collected in Russia. Flora of China says: tepals 3--4.5 cm × 4--8 mm (not recurved)
http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200027706 (http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200027706)
I am in USDA zone 4, and they bloom in early to mid July. My spring starts much much later than yours, but my summers are hotter. I am not sure how that might translated for bloom time.
Good luck with your ID. I don't think there are any other lilies similar to callosum.
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Thanks again Rick. I measured the bloom to just under 4 cm recurved. I think our USDA zone is 7, but this winter was very mild so even our early bulbs were early this year. I think I am likely the proud grower of a Lilium callosum.
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Lilium pomponium looks nice, I have never heard of it before. :)
In 2014 I sowed seeds of L.kesselringianum from seed ex, and the first flowered last year with one flower. This year is is much taller with more flowers, and very nice I think. I love that pale yellow colour.
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martagon hybrid. I don't have many lilies due to beetle problems but here is one species doing good in the "woodland". Difficult light though!
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That is a nice dark martagon hybrid. Martagon lilies are my favourites, even with lily beetles. :)
This one opens it's flowers white, but soon they turn to creamy yellow. It is an old nameless one.
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I do like these species lilies. Here's another deep claret red martagon. This one is a MESE421 collection from lower slopes of Mount Vermion, Greece which we named as 'Naoussa boutari'.
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Also just coming into flower (from the SeedEx) Lilium pardalinum
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And finally flowering a couple of weeks ago, Lilium szovitsianum
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Lilium chalcedonicum. If I can't go to Greece then Greece can come to me. ;D
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Lilium davidii
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Lilium lijiangense, seeds a nice gift from Gote Svanholm about 10 years ago. And this its
first second flowering.
johnw
sunny, humid and 82F
(hot for here)
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John, the L. lijiangense is blooming on this side of the Atlantic as well. My bulb came from Pitcairn Alpines four or five years ago, and this is the third year it flowers. The first two years with one flower, this year with three. The flower starts out a clear yellow, and turns golden in a few days. I was surprised at how different the spotting was on the three flowers.
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Knud, thanks. I will be watching the flowers closely now.
Claire - That is a smashing L. davidii?
johnw
Finally huge downpours yesterday thanks to a tropical depression. More tomorrow.
Around 20 on the coast with fog; a veritable steam bath inland yesterday. Order an
ice cream cone and within a few minutes the cone collapsed. Left wearing it in 28c.
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I wonder if I could beg some L. lijiangense pollen from either of you, John and Knud. Mine have been done for over a week, but I only have one clone, so no seed. I can freeze the pollen for next year. If you like, next year I could send you pollen, too. I have the more clear yellow, unchanging color type. Unfortunately, it is the small flowered form also.
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Rick - I am happy to send you pollen. I tried to self mine this morning but no pollen after last night's heavy rain. Many more to open so hopefully. I know the roiutine and will dessicate first and send in the autumn. Reminder please.
john
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Yes, John,
Lilium davidii is a beauty. (A second flower is ready to open!) Mine came from Truls and Emma at Wild Ginger Farms in Oregon.
...Claire
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I know the roiutine and will dessicate first and send in the autumn.
john
Interesting, I did not know you could save pollen from one year to another. Would you share 'the routine', John, it would be useful to know. Thanks.
Rick, I am afraid the last flower on my lily has lost its pollen, at least when I compare a picture I took today (top) with one I took soon after the first of the three flowers opened (bottom). The last flower has been open for a week now, with wind and rain every day. What do you think, not much left?
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Would you share 'the routine', John, it would be useful to know. Thanks.
Sure. I use the same method as for rhododendron pollen.
1. collect anther(s) containing pollen in a labelled paper envelope
2. place in the refrigerator and add to it as more pollen bcomes availble. Put back in the fridge quickly.
3. as lily anthers are larger I assume it will take a good week to 10 days to dry thoroughly. If the anthers & pollen are not completely dry the pollen will rupture and be killed upon freezing.
4. when thoroughly dry store in a tight jar with a good layer of dessicant and freeze; if you have to heat the dessicant to revitalize it make sure it has cooled before putting the pollen close to it.
5. at any time the pollen can be used to pollinate, just make sure the jar is sealed while you pollinate; minimize the amount of time the jar is unsealed
6. return the pollen to the jar and refreeze or ship off to a requester. To mail I place the paper/pollen in a ziplock plastic bag to minimize it getting moist in transit (rain, fog, high humidity)
Hope this helps Knud. Rick does this jive with your method? PM me your address as I'll send when dried.
john
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Sure. I use the same method as for rhododendron pollen.
Thank you very much, John, for taking the time to write this, and in such detail, it will be very useful.
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Claire's Lilium davidii is so beautiful, but so is also L.lijiangense, in a different way.
I sowed the latter last autumn and they germinated this spring. I will have to take good care of them so that slugs don't get to them. :)
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Some nice Lilium species around!
This is a hybrid from seed. I received seed from a forumist here several years ago, and they germinated quickly. Took a few years till flowering size. Very dark, looks almost black! Planted out in the "wild" at my summerhouse.
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John, your pollen preserving method sounds fine. We in the USA usually just dry the pollen (usually with anthers) away from the sun inside the house on some tinfoil, for 3 to 5 days, then in the deep freeze with a desiccant. For drying in the refrigerator, the relative humidity is drier than ambient temps in the house, but a the same time, air movement is restricted inside an envelope. There is some disagreement among lily experts how thawing and freezing multiple times affects viability. I would prefer you do it your way, John. Thank you so much! I will PM you.
Knud, if your flower was younger, I would say there is still plenty of pollen there. Insects constantly strip the pollen from my lilies and it is like there is none left to do any pollenating with when I want to. However, if I take one of these stripped stamens and dab a stigma 20 to 50 times, eventually the stigma colors with the pollen color and I know I have transferred pollen. Your old flower's pollen might still be usable in your garden, but I don't think it is worth the effort of sending it to me. Thank you, though.
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There is some disagreement among lily experts how thawing and freezing multiple times affects viability.
Rick - Using precious rhodo sp. pollen I oftentimes have to wait weeks or till the next year to do a matchup. Oftenit will be in and out of the freezer or refrigerator many times in a given year with no obvious impairment in viability. Not sure what the longevity of pollen of Lilium is but a lily book or google search should tell the tale.
john
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We freeze Lilium pollen regularly when we need to, but I have always wondered how viable the method is for other genera. I was going to say thank you for the concrete evidence that it works for Rhododendron, and now thank you even more the additional information!
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I'm curious about stability of Lilium pollen in the freezer, too.
I have experience with using stored pollen of various genera but not of Lilium. For instance, frozen pollens of Crinum, Hippeastrum, and Hymenocallis keep barely 12 months with decent viability, while Clivia and Hemerocallis pollens appear to retain usable viability stored dry in the freezer for up to 6 to 9 years.
Jim
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Insects constantly strip the pollen from my lilies
Here's a pollen thief, Rick, a hover fly caught red-handed, on a white L. martagon a couple of weeks ago. I suspect there are many more.
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Lilium lankongense opened a couple of days ago. The first picture was taken 8am, the second 1pm, same day. I got the bulb from Pitcairn Alpines.
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Variations of Lilium canadense
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Lilium pardalinum? Over 5 feet tall
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Very nice Claire!
I think your lily could be Lilium superbum.
Here is an image of Lilium pardalinum:
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Variations of Lilium canadense
Especially the second one is special. :)
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Lilium henryi
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L.henryi is really floriferous! :)
Here is my L.canadense, and the second picture is L.martagon var cattaniae, a very dark form.
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Beautiful lilies from all! Something I have to practice more with, except L. michiganense and few fast flowering I have no species raised from seeds flowering yet.
Very nice Claire!
I think your lily could be Lilium superbum.
It looks like L. superbum; when young it can be mistaken for michiganense but not the case anymore.
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Lilium leichtlinii var maximowitchii, nice even though it is orange (not my most favourite colour). ::)