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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: David Nicholson on March 09, 2020, 01:54:24 PM
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According to Maureen's Diary we had 24 days in February on which it has rained and so far in March, including today, it has rained for a further 7 days. Not surprisingly the garden, and everything in, is soaking wet :(
Here is my first Erythronium of the season tuolumnense 'Spindlestone'
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According to Maureen's Diary we had 24 days in February on which it has rained and so far in March, including today, it has rained for a further 7 days. Not surprisingly the garden, and everything in, is soaking wet :(
Here is my first Erythronium of the season tuolumnense 'Spindlestone'
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David, rain and slugs, that is here the same problem!
Erythronium dens-canis ssp. niveum
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The first Erythroniums to flower here are caucasicum and an early rogue grandiflorum. Unfortunately the light levels are poor and the ground wet, not the best conditions for taking good photographs.
Erythronium caucasicum
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Erythronium grandiflorum var. pallidum
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The first Erythroniums to flower here are caucasicum and an early rogue grandiflorum. Unfortunately the light levels are poor and the ground wet, not the best conditions for taking good photographs.
Erythronium caucasicum
Erythronium grandiflorum var. pallidum
Steve, very nice Erythronium's. I also have Erythronium caucasicum since a few years, but it always stays with one flower. It does not increase.
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Close to E. grandiflorum and ruined by the rain : Erythronium idahoense
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One of the many Erythronium hendersonii in the garden. This one is planted in an acid bed.
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Steve, very nice Erythronium's. I also have Erythronium caucasicum since a few years, but it always stays with one flower. It does not increase.
E. caucasicum is not inclined to increase much here in Aberdeen, either. Rather frustrating!
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One of the many Erythronium hendersonii in the garden. This one is planted in an acid bed.
A beauty - will be much later for us in our garden in Aberdeen.
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Not yet open! They wait for the sun like all of us. I got a few bulbs as japonicum many years ago but am not sure about that.
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Not yet open! They wait for the sun like all of us. I got a few bulbs as japonicum many years ago but am not sure about that.
Growing well - but I think those are E. dens-canis, Trond.
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Growing well - but I think those are E. dens-canis, Trond.
Thanks Maggi. When you say I think you or Ian said it once before :)
- Long time since I went crazy about my files (or vice versa)!
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The erythronium are trying to hold their heads up, despite subfreezing temperatures on the last few mornings.
Erythronium albidum
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Erythronium americanum
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Erythronium californicum
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I think this is Erythronium dens-canis 'Frans Hals'
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I can't find the name of this erythronium. It is quite nice.
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I can't find the name of this erythronium. It is quite nice.
A white E. dens-canis
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Erythronium hendersonii.
E. tuolumnense oregon strain, holds the flowers nicely above the foliage.
E. citrinum x oregonum from the seedex, sown Jan 2012. Some flowers have golden pollen, others have cream. I notice that the style on some flowers is bent - does this suggest that E. helenae is involved too? (yes, I have been reading up on this in Ian's book!) Whatever they are, I am very pleased with them. They just get better every year.
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Some Erythroniums from the garden today.
The weather hasn't been worth taking many pictures so far this year and quite frankly I haven't yet mastered my new camera. It's so long since I used it I've forgotten most of what I had learned so sorry about the quality.
Erythronium 'Bryn Meifod', an Aberconwy Nursery hybrid
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E. 'Craigton Cover Girl', a BD hybrid
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E. 'Margaret Mathew'
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Some more Erythroniums.
Erythronium oregonum
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E. 'Pagoda'
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Erythronium 'Susannah'
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E. tuolumnense, I don't know what I do wrong but I've never had more than two flowers and I've had the plant over four years now, and it's been well fed!
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A nice collection, David. Lovely to see all these with your new camera! The leaves on your tuolumnense look very lush - what have you fed them? I'm sure Ian will come in with some good advice....
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Hello Carolyn, an occasional feed with liquid tomato fertiliser and a smattering of Sulphate of Potash when the flowers have died.
I find that camera manuals are written in terms I wouldn't understand in 1000 self-isolations!
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David,
That feeding regime sounds OK to me. Is the plant in too much shade perhaps?
Agree about camera manuals - every time we get a new camera I resolve to master all the controls.... but never do.
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Erythronium dens-canis 'Snowflake' on March 25th
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On April 22nd fully open. Eaten by a deer two days later. The Pulmonaria flowers were eaten too. I don't remember that happening before.
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Will the real hendersonii please stand up!
I grow a number of Erythronium with hendersonii blood. All are very attractive but I think that only one plant I grow is the real deal.
Ardovie Bliss -This is an attractive hybrid that I got from Ian C. a number of years ago. It was languishing below a straggly, sickly-looking Rh. leucaspis that never fails to get frosted in flower. Yesterday we binned the Rhodie in favour of the erythronium.
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Another hendersonii hybrid -note the yellow halo in the centre of the flower. This plant has lightly mottled leaves and slowly clumps up.
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This plant is closer to the real deal though the flower base colour is very pale, the leaves lightly mottled and there is a tendency to some vegetative increase. There is a very faint halo of yellow around the centre of the flower and I suspect it is still not pure hendersonii.
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The last two images are of what I think is true Erythronium hendersonii. This plant was seed raised from wild-collected seed over 20 years ago. It has barely increased from a couple of flowering stalks in that period. The leaves are quite heavily mottled and the flower is a fairly dark pink/lavender with a dense blackcurrant central area.
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E. tuolumnense, I don't know what I do wrong but I've never had more than two flowers and I've had the plant over four years now, and it's been well fed!
David feeding sounds fine bur just beware of giving too much nitrogen after the leaves have emerged.
As a rule I don't feed those planted in the open garden very often but if I think need feed I scatter a small amount of growmore in February, maybe earlier with you in the warm south, this is to aid root development then some potash as the flowers fade.
I would lift your clump and plant them out individually.
Your pictures are pretty good but keep learning the controls of your new camera.
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Thanks for the advice Ian.
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Erythronium californicum
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Erythronium revolutum, my first one
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Erythronium 'Craigton Cream', a BD hybrid
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Erythronium 'Joanna'
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Erythronium californiucm "White beauty", 2 flowers this year, growing slowly.
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Erythronium californiucm "White beauty", 2 flowers this year, growing slowly.
My word, that is unusual, it is normally one of the more robust, well-increasing Erythronium. Is it planted in the open garden?
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At least, it is growing and flowering ;D I even lost E. dens-canis this year (or they are making a pause ?)
I bring back a small tubercule few years ago, first flower maybe 2 years ago, and now, 2 flowers, it is on the right way :)
Here, it's quite dry and hot in summer, the climate is a bit continental and becoming continental and mediterranean this last years : not the best climate for Erythronium... For example, it hasn't rain since the beginning of march !
Strangely, I bought a E. caucasicum in autumn 2018, kept in pot, and it has bloomed in 2019 and 2020 :D
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Ah well, with that explanation, Yvain, we must be grateful for small steps forward.
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My word, that is unusual, it is normally one of the more robust, well-increasing Erythronium. Is it planted in the open garden?
Hi Maggi, I have never really had 'White Beauty' do much for me either! I have had it in two very contrasting places - my mother's garden in Devon (heavy slightly alkaline clay, fairly sheltered but a bit of a frost pocket) and here in North Wales (thin somewhat acid soil, exposed) and in both places it has sort of persisted for a bit but not increased. By contrast other hybrids such as 'Pagoda', 'Joanna', 'Kinfauns Sunset', and 'Bryn Meifod' as well as species such as revolutum and hendersonii do well.
Maybe I will try again... but these days I like to follow Ian's lead and play with growing from seed.
Tristan
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Erythronium 'Bryn Meifod', an Aberconwy Nursery hybrid. This is robust and vigorous for me as you can see. I am going to try to split it this year, if I can get down to the bulbs!
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E. 'Sundisc', also increasing well, and far superior to 'Pagoda' both in flower and foliage.
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another E. hendersonii type with good large flowers.
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As Ian's are nicely starting mine have just reached their end with the last one for the season being Erythronium 'Kinfauns Pink' .
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Erythronium
americanum revolutum 'Bryn Meifod', from Aberconwy Nursery (thanks to Luc G. to bring it back while we were still authorized to travel :'( :'( )
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Yann,
'Bryn Meifod' looks like a revolutum hybrid to me. The leaves on americanum are not like your photo - they are similar to dens canis and the flowers are yellow, not pink. Lovely plant, whatever its name!
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Yes you're right, several peoples notified me of my mistake! Thanks to all i'll modify my photo's label and post.
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Erythronium americanum
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Erythronium albidum -an underwhelming wee thing!
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Erythronium japonicum
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Erythronium sibiricum altaicum -I think this may now be known as krylovii?
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Erythronium americanum. Takes a while to flower but it's worth it!
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E. 'Sundisc', also increasing well, and far superior to 'Pagoda' both in flower and foliage.
That is good to know! I have 'Pagoda', and just last summer I saw 'Sundisc' for sale in a bulb catalogue, but didn't buy it because I thought it was similar to 'Pagoda'. My mistake.
Lovely Erythroniums in everyones pictures!
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Second Scottish Rock Podcast from Connor Smith is online - https://anchor.fm/connor-smith57
The subject this time is Erythroniums!
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Erythronium taylorii
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Erythronium howellii
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Erythronium multiscapoideum
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Erythronium helenae -I’m not sure if this is pure helenae. The second image shows a macro of the flower face. The pollen is yellow, the style bent but the yellow colour in the flower centre is not crisp and well-demarcated.
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I think this is Erythronium oregonum. The leaf pattern is particularly nice. It doesn't increase much for me but is self-seeding a bit. I also like the pale citron yellow colour of the flower.
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This is a rather small flowered plant raised from seed which I think is a hybrid. It has mottled leaves.
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Another hybrid with a nice dusty rose colour.
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Hello everyone!
Most of my Erythroniums are finished apart from the late ones. But I have a question that you may be able to answer. Over the years I've bought corms from our botanical garden in Gothenburg but the labels got mixed up. I've moved to new gardens a couple of times or so...
So from the pictures could you help me with who's who? I've bought E d-c 'Snowflake', ssp niveum and 'Charmer'.
The figure at the end of the filename shows which belong together.
Thanks in advance!
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Erythronium dens canis ssp niveum (= Erythronium dens canis ssp albiflorum) is a name used for all white forms of this species so can cover all white forms not a single clone.
Form 1 and 2 could both be called ssp niveum.
1 is most likely to be the clone distributed as 'Snowfalke',
and 3 which looks to have a pink wash I would suggest is 'Charmer'.
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Thank you Ian! That is what I had concluded myself but wanted to double check :)
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My first and only seed grown Erythronium so far, but other seedlings have now so big leaves that hopefully there will be more next year. :)
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Some of you may have heard of the popularity in Japan of costumed "mascots", or Yuru-chara. The represent a municipality or corporation, similar (but also different) to sports mascots here in the US and perhaps elsewhere. There are many thousands of Yuru-chara in Japan, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuru-chara.
Having been made aware of this phenomenon, I figured that somewhere in Japan there is a Yuru-chara based on the native Japanese Erythronium, E. japonicum. And there is! The mascot is Katakuri-chan (katakuri being the Japanese word for Erythronium). Katakuri-chan is, in fact, the mascot of a prison, Asahikawa Prision on the northern island of Hokkaido, and apparently a fairly notorious prison at that: http://inventorspot.com/articles/japanese_prison_introduces_their_new_cute_cuddly_mascot. Erythronium japonicum grows wild on a mountainside near the prison, so apparently officials figured that the prison would be well represented, and perhaps inmates would be motivated to behave properly, by being reminded of the wildflowers they might be able to see when they are eventually released from confinement.
There are actually two versions, a female Katakuri-chan which is smiling, and a male version dressed in a warden's uniform, with a stern unhappy turn to his mouth. Perhaps it is a good cop/bad cop type of situation.
The only question I have now is where can I get some of the swag? Apparently there are posters, bookmarks, and coasters of Katakuri-chan to be had.
Ed