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Title: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Yann on February 01, 2020, 06:05:56 PM
Hyacinthella acutiloba, an easy species but i never tried it without glass protection.
Muscari pulchellum, first flowers only 3 years from sowing.
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Karaba on February 03, 2020, 08:07:49 PM
Hyacinthella acutiloba is really nice, pretty blue nested in the 3 leaves  :)
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Yann on February 22, 2020, 07:41:03 PM
it's still warm and the plants don't last long this year
Muscari leucostomum and Muscari chalusicum
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Yann on March 07, 2020, 08:57:55 PM
Muscari pulchellum, a nice form
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Yann on April 05, 2020, 04:52:50 PM
Pseudomuscari pallens, this one was sourced to the Wallis
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Rimmer de Vries on April 05, 2020, 04:59:27 PM
Bellevialia cyanopoda, from Syria. At least that is what they are supposed to be
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Yann on April 05, 2020, 05:52:26 PM
Bellevialia cyanopoda, from Syria. At least that is what they are supposed to be

It's not, i think it's Bellevalia atroviolacea or related
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: ashley on April 05, 2020, 08:53:24 PM
With this upright foliage I'd suggest B. paradoxa.
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Karaba on April 07, 2020, 02:25:00 PM
Bellevalia trifoliata and Bellevalia romana
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Karaba on April 10, 2020, 08:11:08 PM
Start to be a bit far from Muscari but I think it's still close enough to be publised here

Brimeura fastigiata, a pink form from southern Corsica, and a more white, nearly bluish one from central Corsica
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Hans J on April 11, 2020, 01:07:02 PM
Hi Yvain ,

interesting to see that your Brimeura fastigata is flowering same time  :)
My plants are pure white ....
Maybe we should swap seeds later ?

Cheers
Hans
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Yann on May 20, 2020, 11:24:08 PM
a late Bellevalia glauca, typical leaf of this species.
Title: Re: Muscari and relatives 2020
Post by: fermi de Sousa on September 01, 2020, 04:08:52 PM
In June I had the first flowering on Muscari sivrihisardaghlarensis but the other muscari in that pot turned out to be these dark flowered muscari which have only come into flower now. I presume they are some form of Muscari neglectum but if anyone has another suggestion please let me know,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: fermi de Sousa on September 01, 2020, 04:13:29 PM
Another mystery muscari which came labelled as an allium!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Maggi Young on September 01, 2020, 05:34:09 PM
In June I had the first flowering on Muscari sivrihisardaghlarensis but the other muscari in that pot turned out to be these dark flowered muscari which have only come into flower now. I presume they are some form of Muscari neglectum but if anyone has another suggestion please let me know,
cheers
fermi
  What a  disappointment- especially  if  you'd  already  written that mega name  on the  label!!
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Yann on September 01, 2020, 08:36:49 PM
Another mystery muscari which came labelled as an allium!
cheers
fermi
It's time to visit the ophthalmologist  :o
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: fermi de Sousa on September 07, 2020, 04:32:43 PM
Bellevalia macrobotrys from seed from Oron's Seeds of Peace sown 24-03-2018
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 16, 2020, 03:21:01 PM
First flower just 2 years from sowing Muscari pallens exJJA 0.690.550 - thanks, Ashley!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 17, 2020, 12:08:11 PM
Muscari pallens ex JJA 0.690-550 SRGC 2015 sown 21-05-2016
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 22, 2020, 02:55:16 AM
Muscari weissii originally from Marcus Harvey's Hillview Rare Plants Nursery.
Apparently it's now a Leopoldia
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Yann on October 22, 2020, 01:41:22 PM
Muscari weissii originally from Marcus Harvey's Hillview Rare Plants Nursery.
Apparently it's now a Leopoldia
cheers
fermi
indeed now Leopoldia weissii
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Karaba on October 22, 2020, 05:10:49 PM
It depends if you recognize the genus Leopoldia or not. I don't as other taxonomists.
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Yann on October 24, 2020, 01:30:27 PM
It depends if you recognize the genus Leopoldia or not. I don't as other taxonomists.


I wasn't aware of any controversies about this genius.
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Karaba on October 24, 2020, 03:04:21 PM
The position of Leopoldia has long been discussed. It seems now that no strict differences within Muscari s.l. appear and Leopoldia should be considered at the most like a subgenera. See : https://www.botanyconference.org/engine/search/index.php?func=detail&aid=373
Speta who splitted genus Scilla was also for only one genus Muscari and the last and nearly only published phylogeny of Muscari treated Leopoldia as a subgenus (Dizkirici · ‎2019)
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Yann on October 25, 2020, 12:16:31 AM
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ayten_Dizkirici/publication/329200849_Molecular_phylogeny_of_Muscari_Asparagaceae_inferred_from_cpDNA_sequences/links/5bffe62845851523d1539baf/Molecular-phylogeny-of-Muscari-Asparagaceae-inferred-from-cpDNA-sequences.pdf

Just finished the reading of the document, very interesting.

Quote
Leopoldia subgenus is phylogenetically separated from the
other studied subgenera in the concatenated and matK tree
(98% and 97% bootstrap values, respectively) but its position
was not clearly recognized in the trees constructed based on
non-coding regions. Leopoldia species were paraphyletic and
form two sister clades (Clade C and D, Fig. 1), with the clade
C appeared in sister position to M. mirum. Leopoldia may be
distinguished by using several morphological characters
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Véronique Macrelle on December 01, 2020, 03:21:12 PM

How do we cultivate Muscari spreizenhoferi ?
 I found this species in our SAJA plant fair, and I simply planted it in a raised bed, outdoors.
 this spring it did not bloom.
 now it has beautiful new leaves.
 I did not find much information on its needs.
 would it be better in a greenhouse?
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Maggi Young on December 01, 2020, 03:26:52 PM
How do we cultivate Muscari spreizenhoferi ?
 I found this species in our SAJA plant fair, and I simply planted it in a raised bed, outdoors.
 this spring it did not bloom.
 now it has beautiful new leaves.
 I did not find much information on its needs.
 would it be better in a greenhouse?

The  plant  is  a Cretan endemic  ( Mediterranean island  plants  can be  more  tender) - and  flourishes  on the  nursery  of  Oron Peri  in  Israel - so perhaps  some  winter  protection is the  answer.
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Maggi Young on December 01, 2020, 04:04:33 PM
From Zdenek Zvolanek:

"We are pleased with cooperation of fine Swede Johan Nilson. He helped us with new splendid cultivar of Pseudomuscari (Bellevalia) forniculatum ´Anglarna´from the BG Gothenburgh stable. It will be published in Spring Skalničky article by Václav Jošt."

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Pseudomuscari (Bellevalia) forniculatum ´Anglarna´

"Václav Jošt prepares for Spring Skalničky an article about Bellevalia forniculata"

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Bellevalia forniculata


Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Yann on December 03, 2020, 08:36:13 AM
How do we cultivate Muscari spreizenhoferi ?
 I found this species in our SAJA plant fair, and I simply planted it in a raised bed, outdoors.
 this spring it did not bloom.
 now it has beautiful new leaves.
 I did not find much information on its needs.
 would it be better in a greenhouse?

Véronique, greenhouse for this species, it doesn't like too much water and needs good ventilation. In the wild it grows in very sandy soisl, and often in pure sand and rocks chips. South of Crete.
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Véronique Macrelle on December 03, 2020, 09:20:33 AM
Bellevalia forniculata and its cultivar are an extraordinary blue. :P

thank you Yann and Maggy for the advice.
not a bell therefore, if it must remain airy.
 I moved 1 in a pot and in the greenhouse.
For the other 3 I hesitate, because they seem installed, with already 3 leaves applied to the ground. the place is stony; over-raised, but even a roof will not prevent moisture from coming in by capillary action.
that said, they made it through last winter but did not flower.
I am amazed at their large bulb 3.5 cm in diameter compared to the small leaves.
Title: Re: Muscari and relative 2020
Post by: Yann on December 29, 2020, 03:02:24 PM
not the best light for photo but Muscari pulchellum started to show their spikes, more to come this week end.
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