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Title: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on April 30, 2008, 01:26:56 PM
CRETE

There is a land called Crete
in the midst of the wine-dark sea.

Homer, The Odyssey

We eagerly anticipated our spring break on Crete as we booked the flights, car hire and the hotel on the internet in October last year, but our expectations gained momentum and our hopes positively soared after consulting Carl Hardwick and Vic Aspland about the floral potential of this beautiful island that sits equidistant from North Africa, the Middle East and Europe.
This was to be our first visit to this legendary island (indeed it was to be our first visit to Greece), so advice from such learned travelers both assisted our plans and added momentum to our already energetic searches for information on Google and beyond.
We did, of course (by traveling in mid-April), hope for mild spring weather but we could not have anticipated just how warm the western part of the island would become during our seven-day trip. We encountered three days that exceeded 90 degrees and the remainder proved only slightly cooler. These very unseasonal temperatures were, however, accompanied by exceedingly strong winds blowing in across the Libyan Sea…conditions not wholly conducive to photography and plant photography (without the aid of a tripod) in particular.
We based ourselves in a superb hotel eight kilometres west of Chania (on the north coast of the island), but flew into Heraklion (by a direct…and very cramped… flight from Manchester) where we collected a small, but quite adequate, car and then joined the nearest thing to ‘Whacky Races’ we have ever encountered!
Cretans are to road-sense as Sue and I are to astro-physics…Paris can be hectic, London can be clogged, Cairo can, without doubt, be chaotic…but Chania is bedlam without the safety-net, sky-diving without the constant of gravity…Chania is taking your life in your hands after a double amputation.
…But we survived…and if the splendid populace of Crete are not VERY good drivers they ARE exceedingly friendly and they are so fortunate to live on such a beautiful and flower-rich island.
I believe I have sufficient images that I can submit both a Monthly Feature to the main site during the weeks to come and a page or two to the forum.  I will endeavor to keep the postings in chronological order and will begin with some shots taken in and around the lovely city and port of Chania.
My apologies for the lack of titles, I have so many images to post that it would be too time consuming to name each picture. I will try to indicate a general area but will ensure that each of the images in the forthcoming Monthly Feature is correctly named.
Please enjoy our trip to beautiful Crete…and don’t hesitate to visit yourself if the opportunity arises.  Mid-April is highly recommended. 
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on April 30, 2008, 01:33:48 PM
More from Chania...the plants will follow...
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on April 30, 2008, 01:38:00 PM
Chania again....for now...
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on April 30, 2008, 01:50:51 PM
We had been encouraged to visit two sites in Western Crete...one was for the orchid display at Spili (of which much more later) and the other was the Omalos plateau in the midst of the White Mountains. 
Our recent holidays to California and Florida had, in part, been badly affected by the droughts prevalent in each of those States thereby limiting the range and quantity of plants that we saw and, unfortunately, the Omalos had been similarly affected to a limited degree.  Instead of the anticipated drifts of anemones, tulips and arums we were searching for plants in these beautiful high pastures... 
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on April 30, 2008, 01:56:53 PM
The Omalos plateau...and random images captured on the northern coast of the island...
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on April 30, 2008, 02:04:03 PM
More images from the coast of this lovely island....


MORE TO FOLLOW WHEN TIME AND TIDE ALLOW
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Maggi Young on April 30, 2008, 02:18:40 PM
Cliff, you have closed this set of postings with a photo which brings me a fond memory and reminder of my MOST FAVOURITE fragrance...orange blossom! We had the good fortune to live opposite a huge citrus grove in Tripoli, Libya, and this heady fragrance filled the air and made my life an absolute joy  8)
thank you!
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on April 30, 2008, 02:21:11 PM
Oh that we could have transported that wonderful aroma to Whitworth, Maggi?  The warm Cretan air was simply intoxicating!
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Joakim B on April 30, 2008, 02:59:14 PM
Nice anemones?! Must be fun to see them grow wild.
Here they bloomed already in January in the pots but they did not look at helthy as the ones You show. Nice variation.
We where there in August so it was a bit different landscape. The only time we went to the mountains (more correctly hills)  around Chania we did it a cloudy day that became sunny and hot so my companion had great problems getting down. She was almost passing out. It gets warm and when the mountains sweet it is warm.

Thanks for sharing and hoping to see more (orchids) and others.

Thanks for posting.

My parents brought a orange tree home from Crete so they have it in there glassed out room (glassed veranda).
It has now company with several Portuguese trees as well.

Maggi when You first talked about the intoxicating smell of Citrus trees I did not get it since they start to flower in the winter but when it gets warm it is really a smell even if it is a nice smell. Now we have one balcony full of Citrus flowers that smells lovely.

One again thanks for taking us to Crete and good pics to enjoy as well

Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Martinr on April 30, 2008, 06:05:19 PM
That very first picture, if it's what I think it is, is a long way from home!
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: TC on April 30, 2008, 08:01:09 PM
If what you think it is, is the Norfolk Island Pine, they seem to be endemic in the Greek Islands.  Many gardens in Corfu have them.
I have not been in Crete for 14 years so it was interesting seeing some current pictures.  The driving does not seem to have improved !!
I can remember a hard slog on the climb up to Gingelos in the Lefka Ori and seeing Anchusa Caespitosa growing beside the paths at the 2000 metre contour along with alpine forget-me-nots. On a scree slope, just on the snow line, we found crocus sieberi  The bird life included Alpine Choughs, Alpine Accentors and a glimpse of a Lammergeier vulture.  My main passion at this time was photographing bee orchids and we found one of the best spots was off the Spili / Gerikari road, which had just been built.
I managed to slip on one of the mountain paths, take a lump out of my shin and cracking two ribs.  As Cindy cannot drive, I then had to walk a mile to the car, leaving a trail of blood, and then drive myself to the hospital in Rethymnon 14 miles away.  I waited in accident and emergency for half an hour being stared at by the local crones in black only to discover that I was in the gynaecological clinic !!
 Exit stage left looking sheepish.  They fixed me up and it did not spoil the rest of the holiday, although it slowed me down a little.

I look forward to the rest of the pictures.
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: David Nicholson on April 30, 2008, 08:13:12 PM
Lovely pictures Cliff that brought back memories of our holiday on Crete some years ago. We stayed in Rethymnon but I fell in love with Chania. I share your views on Creten's driving talents-it was my first experience of driving abroad, and according to Maureen, who didn't enjoy it at all, it was my last. She particularly didn't enjoy the vision, through the rear view mirror, of the enraged Creten whose motor cycle handlebars I had clipped whilst he was parking it!

Lovely Island though, and apart from said motor cyclist, lovely people.
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Lvandelft on April 30, 2008, 11:11:49 PM
After I manage to go to the Dolomites, I'll have to book right away for Crete.
Beautiful pictures, Cliff and very interesting to read your story and those of the other Forumists.
Thanks for showing us your pictures.
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: mark smyth on May 01, 2008, 02:24:48 PM
Cliff do you know the names of the plants?
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on May 01, 2008, 10:22:57 PM
I could probably name most of them Mark (are there any in particular that you would like to know), but, as there are still well over a hundred images to post from Spili alone, I would prefer to name them correctly in the Monthly Feature article that will follow when time allows?
Many thanks for all the positive responses.
Will try to post the orchids and tulips at the weekend....though there may be a few images from East Cheshire AGS Show as well...!
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Tony Willis on May 02, 2008, 08:12:20 PM
Cliff lovely photographs and I am glad you had such a good time and found lots of flowers.It is a delightful island super places to stay and eat before the season starts and quite the best orchids of anywhere I have been in the Med.

Having been three times I would suggest that going a bit earlier at the  end of March very beginning of April is a better time because as the season progresses the heat builds and the plants are more likely to have been burnt off.One year it was 100f on the 2nd of April This does of course cut out the oportunity to get higher as the snow line is that much lower and so little chance of seeing the anchusa,or in our case none.
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 05, 2008, 02:01:02 AM
Another magnificent display Cliff. Ahhh.....some day, some day..
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: hadacekf on May 05, 2008, 09:30:10 AM
Cliff,
Super pictures Cliff that brought back memories of my hike on Crete some years ago. Thanks.
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on May 05, 2008, 02:16:46 PM
You did it again Cliff ! :o
Wonderful photography and great views and plants !
I'll be watching this space !  ;)
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Paddy Tobin on May 05, 2008, 10:20:49 PM
Great set of photographs, Cliff.

Those anemones are out of this world, such variation in the colours.


Paddy
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on May 07, 2008, 07:37:13 AM
....At last some images from the beautiful town of Spili...they will be posted in numerical order (or in a slightly chaotic order)  ;), so there may be duplicates (or what may appear to be duplicates).  This is preferable to me spending another three days sorting them and omitting any that seem the same.
Hope you enjoy...
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on May 07, 2008, 07:41:23 AM
...Onwards through the orchids of Spili...
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on May 07, 2008, 07:44:55 AM
...And there's more...
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on May 07, 2008, 07:47:40 AM
My apologies..I forgot to mention that we arrived at Spili at the same time as a coach party of members of the Swedish Botanical Society....we all enjoyed the visit IMMENSELY!
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on May 07, 2008, 07:53:15 AM
...On with the show...

I should have mentioned that it was very warm, but also quite windy (and, of course, no tripod)...    :D
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on May 07, 2008, 07:55:37 AM
More to follow....possibly this evening..
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Anthony Darby on May 07, 2008, 08:16:14 AM
Superb Cliff. 8)
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Joakim B on May 07, 2008, 10:18:43 AM
Mr Ranunculus it was a great treat to see the orchids but also the very tall branched plant with small white flowers. I have seen similar in Portugal and I am getting more crazy by not knowing what it is. Does anyone have an idea?
Does anyone dare to identify the orchids?

Thanks for sharing it brightens the day :)  8)
Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Maggi Young on May 07, 2008, 12:22:41 PM
Cliff, a number of people are mentioning to me that they would enjoy your "trips" more if therewere plant names attached......... please?
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on May 07, 2008, 12:31:45 PM
I will try to label as many as possible Maggi...time is the detractor...it may result in an 'Autumn' trip to the Land of the White Mountains!  :D :D
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Lvandelft on May 07, 2008, 02:18:05 PM
And again a great show, Cliff! Super orchid pictures.
I understand exactly what you mean, when taking pictures with much wind.
One need patience and you seem to have it.



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Mr Ranunculus it was a great treat to see the orchids but also the very tall branched plant with small white flowers. I have seen similar in Portugal and I am getting more crazy by not knowing what it is. Does anyone have an idea?

Joakim, maybe is Asphodelus ramosum the plant you asked the name for?

Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Joakim B on May 07, 2008, 02:50:27 PM
People can suggest names to the pics and see how right they are copared what Mr Ranunculus think added later. This way we can watch the plants twice and not need to wait until they are named.

Luit You gave me the name of the mystery plant.

Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on May 09, 2008, 08:50:44 PM
Some more images from Spili...
Anacamptis pyramidalis
 Anchusa azurea
 Anemone
 Anchusa azurea 2
 Asphodelus aestivus
 Asphodeline aestivus close-up
 Astragalus angustifolius
 Asphodeline lutea
 Asphodeline lutea 2
 Aubrieta deltoidea
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on May 09, 2008, 08:54:45 PM
Another batch from Spili...more to follow later.
Campanula tubulosa
 Campanula tubulosa 2
 Campanula tubulosa 3
 Colony of Serapias lingua.
 Euphorbia acanthothamnos
 Hills near Spili.
 Ophrys  7(identify please).
 Ophrys cretica
 Ophrys phryganae.
 Orchis italica
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: David Nicholson on May 09, 2008, 08:56:20 PM
Now come on Mr B you can't back two horses in the same race-Is it ASPHDELUS aestivus or ASPHODELINE aestivus? ;D

Lovely pics as usual Cliff, thanks for posting them.  
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on May 09, 2008, 09:01:02 PM
Just time to post one more batch from Spili...

Well spotted Mr Nicholson.....opticians number please Mrs Booker?

Orchis pauciflora
 Ornithogalum dictaeum ssp. dictaeum
 Orobanche ramosa
 Papaver argemone ssp. nigrotinctum
 Papaver purpureomarginatum.
 Prunus prostrata
 Serapias lingua
 Serapias lingua 2
 Silene colorata
 Umbilicus horizontalis
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Anthony Darby on May 09, 2008, 10:23:53 PM
Ophrys 7 looks like tenthredinifera Cliff. Image 235 is omegaifera; 236 is tenthredinifera and 237 heldreichii.
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on May 09, 2008, 10:32:01 PM
In case anyone is still confused...it is Asphodeline lutea (Yellow asphodel) and Asphodelus aestivus (Common asphodel).

A batch of tulips now....mostly from Spili...

Thanks for the identification Anthony...I will check it out in 'The Orchids of Crete and Karpathos' by Alibertis Antonis, which I picked up on the island, but haven't had time to study yet.

Tulipa bakeri
 Tulipa bakeri close-up
 Tulipa doerfleri
 Tulipa doerfleri 2
 Tulipa doerfleri 4.
 Tulipa doerfleri 5
 Tulipa doerfleri and Muscari comosum
 Tulipa doerfleri close-up
 Tulipa doerfleri close-up 2
Tulipa doerfleri white streaks
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Gerdk on May 10, 2008, 06:52:09 AM
Thank you Cliff - especially for showing  the tulips, which I regrettably missed.

I would be glad if you'll mention the books you used for identification - especially for the Papavers.

Gerd
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on May 10, 2008, 02:30:39 PM
Thanks for the kind comments Gerd.  I have been using 'Wildflowers of Crete' by Vangelis Papiomitoglou (www.mediterrneo.gr), which is a soft-backed, but beautifully illustrated (with photos) book from 2006 (ISBN 960-8227-77-1) that features more than 500 species and is highly recommended.
As previously mentioned I also purchased 'The Orchids of Crete and Karpathos' and took other (less useful) books along for the trip (but had to pay excess luggage charges at Heraklion airport for the privilege.

A number of excellent websites include:-

http://www.west-crete.com/flowers-crete.htm
http://cretanvista.gr/Galleryflowers1/page_01.htm
http://www.guenther-blaich.de/engl/kretfrue.htm  (Orchids)
http://orchids-crete.sherwoodonline.de/index.html  (Orchids)
http://cretanvista.gr/GalleryCTBirds/page_001.htm  (Birds of Crete)
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Rafa on May 10, 2008, 10:17:38 PM
Fabulous post! Cliff  :o :o :o

Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Gerdk on May 11, 2008, 05:59:49 AM
Thank you, Cliff.

Gerd
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Armin on May 11, 2008, 09:49:57 PM
Cliff,
what a wunderful picture tour 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on May 14, 2008, 09:47:21 AM
So glad you all enjoyed our trip to Crete...many thanks for the very kind comments.
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Hans A. on May 14, 2008, 09:55:09 AM
Thanks for the great Photos, Cliff! Will you require a porter for your next visit?
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on May 14, 2008, 10:23:34 AM
Absolutely Hans....Sue will be glad of the help.   ;) 
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on May 14, 2008, 03:35:34 PM
More marvelous pix Cliff !
I particularly enjoy the Campanula tubulosa - nice upright bells !
Tulipa doerfleri is another favourite !
etc... etc....
Thanks again for taking us on the tour. (we didn't even have to carry your bags  ;) )
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Ewelina Wajgert on February 28, 2009, 10:33:45 AM
Cliff,
Wonderful photos of spring on Kreta. I hadn't so much luck to see this riches of flora. In July Kreta looks differently, plants are completely dry.

Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Ewelina Wajgert on February 28, 2009, 04:55:52 PM
I hope, Cliff isn't offended with me, if I add some photos to this thread.

1. Balos from Gramvousa
2. Kourna lake.
3. Eryngium maritimum
4. Coast in Georgiopouli. There are only volcanic stones
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Ewelina Wajgert on February 28, 2009, 05:11:19 PM
I didn't take many photos of plants

1. Arum italicum
2. Platan - it is 2000 years old and has 11 m periphery
3. White Mountains - entrance to Samaria at sunrise. They are majestic but we must go, because we have 14 km to crossing
4. This photo I have taken by entrance to Samaria but I didn't identify this plant. It has flowered nice
5. White Mountains
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 28, 2009, 10:55:20 PM
Thanks for these pictures Ewelina. What a vastly different place Crete is in July, from the time of spring bulbs! I can imagine someone who didn't inderstand plants going there in high summer and thinking that nothing much of interest grew there, in almost desert conditions.
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Ewelina Wajgert on March 01, 2009, 12:52:52 PM
What a different is Crete and Alps, where I was 2 weeks earlier.

Some plants from Samaria - trees cope with drought the best.
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on March 10, 2009, 07:43:10 AM
Apologies Ewelina,
Only returned from Portugal yesterday morning, so I have missed all the forum postings for the past twelve days - many thanks for your very welcome additions to this thread.  I expect Crete would be too hot, dry and arid for me at that time of year.   :D
Beautiful pictures.
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Diane Clement on March 10, 2009, 02:21:36 PM
Only returned from Portugal yesterday morning, so I have missed all the forum postings for the past twelve days - many thanks for your very welcome additions to this thread.  

Welcome back, Mr Buttercup.  I hope you enjoyed your holiday and look forward to seeing all your pix.  I think you will be pleased to have missed SOME of the forum postings.  Hope to see you Saturday at the Blackpool show. 
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: ranunculus on March 10, 2009, 02:34:53 PM
Many thanks Di,
Rest assured I got to the 'bottom' of all the postings made whilst I was away ... the 1400 plus pictures I took in the Algarve may contain one or two items of retaliation (if I could discover a malevolent side to my nature, of course)?   :D
See you Saturday ... baggsy first ride on the waltzer!  :D
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Hristo on April 14, 2009, 07:15:45 AM
Hi Cliff,
Super posting, the tulip sequence, wow! I wish I had been there, I would have been running around like a little kid!
Title: Re: CRETE - A SPRING TRIP TO THE LAND OF THE WHITE MOUNTAINS
Post by: Maggi Young on April 14, 2009, 11:33:05 AM
So many of us really appreciate these travel threads, whether we are just enjoying the armchair trip or planning our own visit.... all in all a super subject, thanks Cliff  8)
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