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General Subjects => General Forum => Topic started by: shelagh on April 09, 2019, 01:50:19 PM
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Last summer we were given a seedling of Erysimum cariense, label said it was from Turkey but I can find no trace of it. Can anyone help?
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I have nipped out and taken it's picture. Thought it might help all you wonderful Forumists. It's a small plant in a small pot but I've done my best.
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Very nice Shelagh. Another to look out for in the seed exchange ;) ;D
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Trouble is Ashley it doesn't seem to exist. I can't find it anywhere that's why I need help.
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In a Wrightman's Alpines blog there is a mention of a "new species" and here in NARGS : https://nargs.org/photo/erysimum-caricum (https://nargs.org/photo/erysimum-caricum) - this is Erysimum caricum - might this be it?
Can't find any other reference to it either , other than Jan Tholhuijsen mentioning it in a list of plants in this IRG :
www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2016Jul281469713982IRG79July.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2016Jul281469713982IRG79July.pdf)
Seems that this plant can grow much larger :-\
http://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:283676-1 (http://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:283676-1)
Edit to add: It looks as if others have E. carium under a wrong name too.
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Thanks for all your research Maggi. Since it doesn't seem to exist anywhere under the name we've got I guess I can put it new and rare :D
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Trouble is Ashley it doesn't seem to exist. I can't find it anywhere that's why I need help.
Sorry Shelagh, I wasn't paying enough attention :-[
Searching Kew ePic with Erysimum cari* gives
Brassicaceae Erysimum carinatum (Wight) Kuntze Revis. Gen. Pl. 2: 933. 1891 [5 Nov 1891] (GCI) view IPNI entry (http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=1176122-2&show_history=false&output_format=normal)
Brassicaceae Erysimum carinatum Kuntze Revis. Gen. Pl. 2: 933. 1891 [5 Nov 1891] (IK) view IPNI entry (http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=283685-1&show_history=false&output_format=normal)
Brassicaceae Erysimum carium Boiss. Ann. Sci. Nat., Bot. sér. 2, 17: 77. 1842 (IK) view IPNI entry (http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=283686-1&show_history=false&output_format=normal)
I could find no images for E. carinatum, but for E. carium this image (http://www.phytoimages.siu.edu/imgs/Cusman1/r/Brassicaceae_Erysimum_carium_93746.html) and this one (http://www.phytoimages.siu.edu/imgs/Cusman1/r/Brassicaceae_Erysimum_carium_93686.html), both Gabriela's, look rather like your plant. Maybe PM her?
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Thanks Ashley. I have had an email from Diane Clement who says it is E. carium. It came to us as a seedling so I'm not sure where the misspelling happened.
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I have two areas where I am growing this plant. For some reason, in my crevice trough with morning sun, it is doing well. It is outside, and, I cover it with a clear glass plate supported by rocks so the cold air blows through. This is my California version of "under glass." This is its third year, and really starting to bloom.
My other area is in tufa, and, its doing well, but, not flowering, but, this area has a 30% shade cloth, so, I might move to a sunnier location. All of my tufa rocks are buried deep in rough sand, and in winter I keep them under sawhorses covered with SunTuf, raised up on on end to direct the rain off the roof. I use the SunTuf for my bulb frame as well. Almost all of the sax's I put in the same tufa have not done well. I think the key for tufa for in my climate is to use seedlings. Back to the E. Cariense (I thought it was labeled E. Caricum), the flowers are so small, I can't imagine capturing any seed. I dearly love this plant. I got it from Kathy Allen in Oregon. Cecile
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I’ve got something similar Sheila, but the foliage is more silvery than yours. I remember taking it in to show to our local group but no one there knew which one it was. I remember John Richards saying there are a lot of them in the Med and they are all confused. Mine now grows happily away in my raised bulb bed and gently seeds around. If I remember I’ll dig a wee clump up and bring to show you at Cleveland if you are going? Oh, got my seed in the Hardy Plant Society seed exchange many moons ago with a completely wrong name on it....