Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum

Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Tomte on February 10, 2019, 10:07:11 PM

Title: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Tomte on February 10, 2019, 10:07:11 PM
After the first days of sunshine, some dwarf colchicums were finally allowed to flower. These have been in bud and waiting since christmas..
Colchicum munzurense (non-stoloniferous form with vertical corms)
Colchicum serpentinum
Colchicum trigynum
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Maggi Young on February 11, 2019, 01:39:11 PM
After the first days of sunshine, some dwarf colchicums were finally allowed to flower. These have been in bud and waiting since christmas..


 Hello Tomte!
Sometime the wait seems endless, does it not?!!
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Tomte on February 16, 2019, 08:20:55 PM
It certainly does. And now everything is racing to catch up with the sudden spring.
Today I noticed that I actually have 2 different forms of Colchicum munzurense, the other one has got a darker pink in the throat and lighter and more acuminate segments. The effect of this one is more star-like than in the other one (see the left flower below). I cross-pollinated both today, now I hope for a good seed-set.
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on February 18, 2019, 03:21:54 PM
Colchicum doerfleri is reliable at this time of year.

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 12, 2019, 02:09:35 AM
The autumn flowering varieties are starting here  :D
The first is one that was a self-sown seedling of one grown from seed as Colchicum bivonae - which it isn't!
The next couple of pics are a couple of dwarf varieties I got from Jon B (Mini-Bulb Lover on this Forum)
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 12, 2019, 10:17:15 AM
This is the Colchicum I've grown since the mid 1980s as 'Lilac Major' which last year Sjaak de Groot identified as Colchicum bizanthium
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: fermi de Sousa on April 05, 2019, 04:28:38 AM
A few more autumn flowers:
Colchicum byzanthium (known in our group as "Mrs Craig's")
Colchicum  "Not sibthorpii" x 2
Colchicum  "Not The Giant" but a similar C.speciosum hybrid
Colchicum corsicum - coming up through a mat of Dymondia!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: fermi de Sousa on June 12, 2019, 09:16:21 AM
A long time ago Jon (mini-bulblover) bought a pot of Colchicum zahnii but someone told him that the name is now C. psaridis. Then someone else said that it's actually Colchicum cupanii! Anyway Jon's always flower about a month before the ones he gave me, so ours are only now in bloom while his finished a month ago!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: LucS on September 01, 2019, 06:55:19 PM
The new flowering season has already started here in the north with this Colchicum turcicum.
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: LucS on September 01, 2019, 07:01:32 PM
Also recently in flower were the Greek Colchicum graecum and Colchicum decaisnei from Lebanon
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: LucS on September 01, 2019, 07:03:03 PM
A first time flower on this seedcollection (KV613) from Mt. Smolikas in N-Greece.
I believe this is Colchicum haynaldii.
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Yann on September 01, 2019, 09:02:46 PM
Very nice start of season, here it's very shy flowering.
Colchicum byzantinum planted 5 years ago at least 30cm deep, now surfing on soil's level :-\
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Yann on September 02, 2019, 07:09:41 PM
Colchicum x agrippinum, a reliable and good speading hybrid (Colchicum autumnale × Colchicum variegatum)
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on September 04, 2019, 01:34:07 PM
and mine, Colchicum x agrippinum

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Pauli on September 04, 2019, 05:02:48 PM
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Yann on September 04, 2019, 05:43:08 PM
Nice clump David! I've to wait few more years to get such forest!
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on September 04, 2019, 06:28:59 PM
They have been there a long time, maybe I should split the clump? When would be the best time to do it?
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: sokol on September 04, 2019, 07:51:43 PM
Next year, when the leaves are dried, July till the beginning of August.
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on September 05, 2019, 09:27:53 AM
Many thanks Stefan.
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on September 05, 2019, 11:45:17 AM
Nice take-off, LucS and Yann !!

Great clump, David - no sign of them here yet.  ::)
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: sokol on September 07, 2019, 07:56:38 AM
Colchicum x agrippinum was the first of the genus this year.

[attachimg=1]

[attachimg=2]

followed by

Colchicum kotschyii

[attachimg=3]

[attachimg=4]

and Colchicum confusum

[attachimg=5]
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: sokol on September 07, 2019, 08:02:20 AM
The last are some seed raised Colchicum from my own collection at Mt. Olympus, probably Colchicum haynaldii

[attachimg=1]

[attachimg=2]

and Colchicum bornmuelleri which grows very well here

[attachimg=3]
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Maggi Young on September 07, 2019, 10:29:06 AM
Such fine  portraits - in contrast here the  weather  is  damaging the  colchicums  :'(
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Yann on September 07, 2019, 10:56:25 AM
Colchicum byzantinum album
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Yann on September 08, 2019, 09:41:46 PM
hundreds of Colchicum autumnale in a damp clearing among carex.
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Yann on September 15, 2019, 08:05:07 PM
Despite the heat Colchicum flowering is at this best this autumn, i watered sectors where they grow early septembre.

Colchicum x 'Neptun'
Colchicum autumnale album
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: LucS on September 16, 2019, 12:23:07 PM
Colchicum bivonae in the rockgarden.
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: LucS on September 16, 2019, 12:25:00 PM
Colchicum macrophyllum in the rockgarden, flowering every year.
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Leena on September 19, 2019, 01:20:43 PM
First of my Colchicums started to flower in late August: it is C.bivonae.
Next ones to come up were 'William Dykes' and 'Emerald Town' which is very big and good Colchicum.
Colchicums are one of my favourite autumn flowers! :)
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Gabriela on September 21, 2019, 12:05:28 AM
Heralds of the fall - all beautiful!
My C. autumnale Album is up but the pink one is just showing up. Don't know why we are behind this year comparing with other regions.
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Gabriela on September 22, 2019, 07:08:17 PM
Colchicum autumnale 'Album' and the 'Waterlily' just showing; still too dry for this time of year.
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: LucS on September 23, 2019, 05:25:55 AM
Colchicum corsicum JJA313010 from Corsica
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: LucS on September 23, 2019, 05:27:11 AM
The first of the cupanii : Colchicum cousturieri (syn. C. cupanii subsp. cupanii) from Crete
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: DaveM on September 23, 2019, 04:10:43 PM
Always enjoy seeing Colchicums, thanks for sharing. Just a few from me:
C. bivonae 'Disraeli' taken a couple of weeks ago, now over.
C. autumnale - a nice dark colour
C. tenorei
C. speciosum 'album'
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Yann on September 23, 2019, 07:32:41 PM
as everyone is in XXL, here S one Colchicum pusillum
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: PaulFlowers on September 23, 2019, 08:13:02 PM
A colchicum species in Kos, Greece. Seems to be thriving on a dirt track towards the coast. Beautiful!
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Maggi Young on September 23, 2019, 10:15:40 PM
I love  how  neat  these  plants are  in their  native  habitat - here in North east  Scotland they tend to get  very  leggy and  then blow  over  in the  wind  and  rain and  are  even easier  for the  slugs to  devour.  :'(

Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on September 24, 2019, 09:31:29 AM
I love  how  neat  these  plants are  in their  native  habitat - here in North east  Scotland they tend to get  very  leggy and  then blow  over  in the  wind  and  rain and  are  even easier  for the  slugs to  devour.  :'(

.... just as they most often do in Devon!
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: LucS on September 25, 2019, 08:47:06 PM
Colchicum cupanii var. cousturieri today.
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: LucS on September 25, 2019, 08:47:54 PM
Colchicum pusillum from Crete
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Mariette on September 28, 2019, 04:25:08 PM
Yesterday we visited a site where the naked ladies grow in delightful variation.

(https://up.picr.de/36865220ph.jpg)

Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Mariette on September 28, 2019, 04:27:13 PM
A well rounded, darkish form.

(https://up.picr.de/36865204au.jpg)

Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Mariette on September 28, 2019, 04:33:30 PM
We discovered many plants with surplus tepals and anthers, here are some with 7.

(https://up.picr.de/36865216wy.jpg)

(https://up.picr.de/36865214jv.jpg)

(https://up.picr.de/36865210up.jpg)

(https://up.picr.de/36865207ii.jpg)
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Mariette on September 28, 2019, 04:35:26 PM
Another one with 8 tepals.

(https://up.picr.de/36865212jw.jpg)
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Mariette on September 28, 2019, 04:40:15 PM
An especially bizarre one with 9 tepals and an additional one inserting from the tube.

(https://up.picr.de/36865218he.jpg)

(https://up.picr.de/36865217df.jpg)


Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Mariette on September 28, 2019, 04:44:58 PM
A special feature of this site is the coincidence with Viola calaminaria.
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Mariette on September 28, 2019, 04:46:42 PM
We were not the only ones enjoying the flowers of Colchicum autumnale.

(https://up.picr.de/36865219rb.jpg)
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Maggi Young on September 28, 2019, 05:16:02 PM
We were not the only ones enjoying the flowers of Colchicum autumnale.

I'm not  surprised!  Anyone would  enjoy  the  sight!
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Yann on September 28, 2019, 08:02:32 PM
The last rains damaged the garden colchicums but in the greenhouse the show has started :D
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Leena on September 29, 2019, 07:48:48 AM
Mariette, how lovely to see the variation in flowers. And grasses keep the flowers from falling down.
I have yet to find a good place for C.autumnale, the bulbs I planted couple of years ago have increased and are growing well but among weeds, so I haven't taken any pictures. :-[
My favourite Colchicums are hybrids like 'Glory of Heemstede' which increases well and I have been able to divide it to several places in the garden. It even had seeds pods for the first time this summer, which I'm very happy.
'Antares' was one of the first Colchicums I bought over ten years ago. It hasn't been a good increaser in my garden, but I love its pale flowers. It is said to be an early Colchicum to flower but here it is not so early, so sometimes I wonder if I have the right cultivar, but anyway I like it. I even got some seeds from it a year ago (never before and not this year). I sowed them, there were at least 10-20 seeds, but only two seedlings emerged in the spring. I'm happy for even those two.
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Mariette on September 29, 2019, 01:44:39 PM
I'm not  surprised!  Anyone would  enjoy  the  sight!

Thank You, Maggi! Here´s another meadow saffron with its nightcap still on.

(https://up.picr.de/36871995cq.jpg)
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Mariette on September 29, 2019, 02:19:21 PM

My favourite Colchicums are hybrids like 'Glory of Heemstede' which increases well and I have been able to divide it to several places in the garden.

Leena, I marvel always at the beauty of Your garden - it´s wonderful what You achieved!

Under the name ´Glory of Heemstede´I bought twice the same clone, once from Latvia and once in Belgium. It looks similar to what You show, as far as I can judge. It´s also the one which increases best in my garden.
Rodney Leeds wrote in his book Autumn Bulbs that it´s the same like ´Conquest´, a variety he described as having heavily tessellated and rich purple flowers. There is also a picture of ´Conquest´showing a group to which this description is well applied.
What I received as ´Glory of Heemstede´shows a much lighter colour and weaker tesselation. E. A. Bowles described in Crocus and Colchicum  ´Glory of Heemstede´with a closely tessellated bright rosy pattern, which fits more or less for the clone I grow under this name, though the filaments of mine are greenish, not cream-coloured deepening to yellow bases, as Bowles wrote.

 Bowles wrote that ´Danton´and ´Conquest´were the deepest coloured and handsomest of the tesselated forms but felt at a loss to say whether they were the same or not, as they were so similar.

Unfortunately I´m lacking the original descriptions of the breeders - perhaps a more knowledgeable specialist may help?

This is what I grow as ´Glory of Heemstede´.

(https://up.picr.de/36871951cy.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Yann on September 29, 2019, 02:43:06 PM
It'll be very interesting to get a few of history of these cultivars, not much can be found.
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Leena on September 29, 2019, 05:09:45 PM
I'm also interested in the history of these cultivars  :). Thank you Mariette for what you wrote!
I don't have any book about Colchicums and there is very little information in the internet, at least not collected in one place.
My 'Glory of Heemstede' was bought from Sulev Savisaar in Estonia 2013, and it has the same tesselated pattern as in Mariette's picture, and looks very similar, so I think they are the same. I have two other ones which have tesselated patterns: C.bivonae which is the earliest, and 'Violet Queen', which has stronger tesselation and stronger colour than GoH, and starts to flower around the same time as GoH.

Colchicum byzantinum 'Album' was planted a year ago, and it looks itself, with red tips in carpels (?).
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Gail on September 29, 2019, 05:29:43 PM
I don't have any book about Colchicums and there is very little information in the internet, at least not collected in one place.
This month's copy of the RHS magazine The Garden has a plant profile on Colchicum and reports that there is to be a book on Colchicum in the RHS Horticultural Monographs series, written by Kit Grey-Wilson, Rod Leeds and Robert Rolfe, due late 2020....
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Mariette on September 29, 2019, 09:38:59 PM
Thank You, Gail, for Your information! I trust the book will be a long awaited help for all who love the colchicums!
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Leena on September 30, 2019, 12:04:40 PM
This month's copy of the RHS magazine The Garden has a plant profile on Colchicum and reports that there is to be a book on Colchicum in the RHS Horticultural Monographs series, written by Kit Grey-Wilson, Rod Leeds and Robert Rolfe, due late 2020....

Thank you Gail!
I can get my hands on The Garden, and will look forward to the book about Colchicums.
Although many of them are hardy also here, they are not very common, and most of the time the only ones you can find in the garden centers are 'Waterlily' or 'Lilac Wonder' which are not the best, or at least I think so. However, they have been also here for a long time. I have a friend who lives in a farm and the mother of her husband had planted Colchicums in her flowerbed maybe in 1940s. And it has survived without any care for decades.
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: brianw on October 01, 2019, 04:59:09 PM
I see that Merendera attica, filifolia, montana and sobolifera are now Colchicum atticum, filifolium, montanum and soboliferum and Bulbocodium vernum is now Colchicum bulbocodium.
source "The RHS Plant Review"
Apologies if I am repeating old info.
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Yann on October 07, 2019, 08:36:35 PM
Despite the heavy rains of the last week Colchicum are emerging all around the garden somes in better state than others. Surprisingly no slugs this autumn  ;D

Colchicum automnale flora pleno ('pleniflorum') and Colchicum cilicicum under deep shade.
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: sokol on October 09, 2019, 07:31:45 PM
Surprisingly no slugs this autumn  ;D

Yann, here are enough of them.
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Yann on October 11, 2019, 06:03:00 PM
usually it's an invasion but despithe the 2 weeks of rains, no slugs; trust me i can't believe it.

Colchicum stevenii and davisii
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: LucS on October 15, 2019, 07:26:18 PM
Colchicum baytopiorum from Turkey.
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: LucS on October 15, 2019, 07:27:33 PM
Colchicum psaridis
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Leena on October 20, 2019, 04:22:31 PM
Colchicum cilicicum under deep shade.

That is a very nice Colchicum, I especially like the dark "stem" of the flower. :)
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: Yann on October 20, 2019, 05:23:42 PM
Colchicum cupanii, it was a dark day not good for photos
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: YT on November 05, 2019, 11:44:23 AM
I think it’s a kind of colchicum. From JJA seeds in a packet labelled as a crocus :)
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: ArnoldT on November 05, 2019, 12:52:22 PM
 Tatsuo

That's a nice surprise.
Title: Re: Colchicum & relatives 2019
Post by: YT on November 08, 2019, 01:44:11 PM
Tatsuo

That's a nice surprise.

Yes, Arnold :) Nice amethyst colour 8)
SimplePortal 2.3.5 © 2008-2012, SimplePortal