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Title: Is this Massonia latebrosa ?
Post by: Hans J on January 19, 2019, 02:01:15 PM
Hi all ,

In year 2013 I have received from a contact some bulbs of Massonia species ( he had sowing this plant ...but he had no further interest )
There are some interesting plants which I have never seen anywhere from other sources
I have now 3 strange Massonia ( called on the label Massonia depressa ex Karoopoort )
Those plants looks for me not like typical M.depressa so I was always seeking for a closer ID
After reading the description of Massonia latebrosa ( which came also from Karoopoort ) I had the idea that my plants could be M.latebrosa ...now I'm interested to hear what other plant friends thinking
Here is the description :
http://www.massonia.com/documents/echinata.pdf (http://www.massonia.com/documents/echinata.pdf)

Here some pics taken before some days in my greenhouse :
Title: Re: Is this Massonia latebrosa ?
Post by: Hans J on January 19, 2019, 02:10:44 PM
Now today have two plants the flowers opened ...and I take it inside the house for taking pictures

What is our opinion ?

Thank you in advance
Hans

Title: Re: Is this Massonia latebrosa ?
Post by: Bert Zaalberg on January 19, 2019, 02:33:51 PM
looks perfectly OK for latebrosa to me Hans. Flower morphology could be confused with echinata from Oorlogskloof, but leaves with purplish markings and longitudinal streaks typical for latebrosa, like also the distribution being Karoopoort. Very nice.
Title: Re: Is this Massonia latebrosa ?
Post by: Hans J on January 19, 2019, 04:44:26 PM
Thank you Bert for your opinion ...it seems I'm on the right way :)

Hans  ;D
Title: Re: Is this Massonia latebrosa ?
Post by: Maggi Young on January 19, 2019, 04:52:38 PM
Always something interesting from you, Hans!
Title: Re: Is this Massonia latebrosa ?
Post by: angie on January 19, 2019, 05:48:21 PM
Very nice Hans. I am enjoying my Massonia .

Angie  :)
Title: Re: Is this Massonia latebrosa ?
Post by: Hans J on January 19, 2019, 06:34:17 PM
Always something interesting from you, Hans!

Thank you Maggi 
I always try to follow you :D
But when I see how many things you do
p.e. here :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=16883.msg399532#msg399532 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=16883.msg399532#msg399532)
... ::)

Hans
Title: Re: Is this Massonia latebrosa ?
Post by: Hans J on January 19, 2019, 06:36:24 PM
Very nice Hans. I am enjoying my Massonia .

Angie  :)

Thank you Angie ,

I hope in some year I will have more of this strange Massonia to give it to my plant friends

Hans ;)
Title: Re: Is this Massonia latebrosa ?
Post by: Maggi Young on January 19, 2019, 07:49:20 PM
 :D Hans......   :-*
Title: Re: Is this Massonia latebrosa ?
Post by: angie on January 19, 2019, 08:29:16 PM
Thanks Hans . I have quite a few just ready to open, just need a wee bit of sun.

Hans Maggi puts me to shame, I don’t know how she does it.  :)

Angie  :)
Title: Re: Is this Massonia latebrosa ?
Post by: Maggi Young on January 19, 2019, 09:28:52 PM
Och, it's easy, Angie - I don't go out much!
Title: Re: Is this Massonia latebrosa ?
Post by: angie on January 20, 2019, 12:04:37 AM
Och, it's easy, Angie - I don't go out much!

Not going out much myself in this weather , did clean my greenhouse up today  ;)

Angie  :)
Title: Re: Is this Massonia latebrosa ?
Post by: humble haws on January 24, 2019, 05:39:42 PM
Wonder if this is the same species I saw west of Laingsburg? Seems to be in the right direction.
Title: Re: Is this Massonia latebrosa ?
Post by: Bert Zaalberg on January 24, 2019, 10:38:39 PM
@Humble Haws, do you have any more pictures perhaps?  and a slightly more precise location definition?
Laingsburg is approx 125km East of Karoopoort, being mentioned in the latebrosa publication currently as the single known location of latebrosa. Interesting picture for sure.
Title: Re: Is this Massonia latebrosa ?
Post by: humble haws on January 25, 2019, 04:16:02 AM
The locality is SE of Konstabel Station, I was there to see Haworthia pulchella and stumbled across these Massonia. They looked like something special, due to the purple spotting and rough texture. Sadly, I did not get any clear pictures, but here is the only other acceptable one.
Title: Re: Is this Massonia latebrosa ?
Post by: Hans J on January 25, 2019, 08:39:29 AM
Very interesting found - congratulation !

It seems those species has a greater distribution than we know

Happy welcome to this forum  :D
Hans
Title: Re: Is this Massonia latebrosa ?
Post by: Bert Zaalberg on January 25, 2019, 09:03:04 AM
Thank you. That's about 70km E of Karoopoort. That's already 50km closer to the known spot. :-) Shame that pictures are too poor to make a certain identification, also without flower.
Title: Re: Is this Massonia latebrosa ?
Post by: Hans J on January 27, 2019, 10:23:48 AM
Yesterday wrote Bert to me if my plants have such pustules as in the description :
"cone-like, 0.4−0.6 mm in diameter, with a smooth, inflated, spheroidal to ellipsoidal trichome on top ca. 0.3 mm long"

After looking in my raw pictures I have seen those pustules ( with a enlargement )
Here is a detail :
Title: Re: Is this Massonia latebrosa ?
Post by: Hans J on January 27, 2019, 10:32:03 AM
Here are two scans from the description :

b = latebrosa
Title: Re: Is this Massonia latebrosa ?
Post by: Bert Zaalberg on January 28, 2019, 09:49:11 AM
@humble haws
Congratulations, you have found a 2nd growing location of Massonia latebrosa.
Based on the additional material you've sent me, the plants you've found at Konstabel station are indeed Massonia latebrosa. It has also just been confirmed by the authors of the latebrosa publication. They completely agree with the id.
Next to the known location at Karoopoort, 70km more west, very good to have now a 2nd growing location of this rare species.
Title: Re: Is this Massonia latebrosa ?
Post by: humble haws on January 29, 2019, 05:29:28 AM
How exciting! Thank you Hans for posting in the PBS that led to this realization and Bert for confirming the hunch. Hopefully, these are more common in the wild than we know.
Title: Re: Is this Massonia latebrosa ?
Post by: Hans J on March 27, 2019, 08:10:34 AM
Good news  ;D

My pollination was successfully ....and I have collect seeds from some fruits
So I can offer some packets with each 20 seeds  :)
If anybody is interested for me with swap or trade please write me a PM

Hans

Sorry but all seeds are gone
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