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Title: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Joakim B on January 12, 2019, 05:51:25 PM
New year so new topic
I planted some cyclamen seeds in a dark room in end of November and now there seem to be something in the pots
It is up to 5 cm and have a seed in the top
Is this weed or is it cyclamen?
Do I need to add pics
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Joakim B on January 12, 2019, 06:44:14 PM
here are some pics
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Carolyn on January 12, 2019, 06:49:23 PM
Those look like cyclamen seedlings. You need to get them growing in good light in a cool room, so that the stems don't get any longer.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Joakim B on January 12, 2019, 10:54:34 PM
Is frost free outside too cold?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Carolyn on January 13, 2019, 08:53:59 AM
It should be OK. I usually sow my cyclamen seeds indoors (I keep them in a dark cupboard) and as soon as I see the first sign of germination I take them out to the greenhouse, which is unheated, so I cover the seedlings with horticultural fleece on frosty nights. It doesn't get as cold on the SW coast of Scotland as it does in Sweden though!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Joakim B on January 13, 2019, 04:35:13 PM
I hope for a mild winter hete and utse my parentes glassed veranda as alternative IF we get frost
Thanks a Lot for the help
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Roma on January 15, 2019, 10:08:43 PM
Cyclamen coum in the garden.  They are all self sown.  The ones in gravel are east facing beside a low wall.  The ones in grass are south facing.

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Roma on January 15, 2019, 10:14:16 PM
Cyclamen coum in the greenhouse.
'Quaker Pearl'  White flower, two different leaves.  Is the silver one correct?

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: SJW on January 16, 2019, 12:38:00 AM
Cyclamen coum in the greenhouse.
'Quaker Pearl'  White flower, two different leaves.  Is the silver one correct?

Roma, the Grey-Wilson book says that Kath Dryden proposed that the white-flowered forms of the offspring from the original C. coum EKB 371 (EK Balls collection) should be called 'Quaker Pearl'. EKB 371 had reasonably large rounded leaves with a broad silvery hastate pattern and, in the centre, a characteristic deep green 'Christmas tree' pattern.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Carolyn on January 16, 2019, 08:44:18 AM
Whatever it is, the silver leaf is very nice!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Roma on January 19, 2019, 10:22:52 PM
Roma, the Grey-Wilson book says that Kath Dryden proposed that the white-flowered forms of the offspring from the original C. coum EKB 371 (EK Balls collection) should be called 'Quaker Pearl'. EKB 371 had reasonably large rounded leaves with a broad silvery hastate pattern and, in the centre, a characteristic deep green 'Christmas tree' pattern.
The hastate pattern is a bit dull and not very silver so I will not pass on seed of either as 'Quaker Pearl'

Not sure about this one either.  The label says Cyclamen creticum which it definitely is not.  I'm not sure if it is coum or alpinum or possibly a hybrid.  I think the leaves have a look of alpinum about them but I am not sure about the flowers.  I only spotted the aphids when I put the pictures on the computer.

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: barnclos on January 20, 2019, 10:46:55 AM
Cyclamen kuznetzovii.

Seed sown 11 November 2017, germinated 11 January 2018.
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Flowers seem rather small (compared to my massive digit), but probably because still juveniles.
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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: SJW on January 20, 2019, 09:59:26 PM
Not sure about this one either.  The label says Cyclamen creticum which it definitely is not.  I'm not sure if it is coum or alpinum or possibly a hybrid.  I think the leaves have a look of alpinum about them but I am not sure about the flowers.  I only spotted the aphids when I put the pictures on the computer.

Can you detect a scent, Roma? I agree that the leaves look like alpinum, and I find the scent quite distinctive.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on January 21, 2019, 02:32:36 PM
A patch of Cyclamen coum to brighten up my day.

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on January 28, 2019, 02:38:01 PM
A nice dark version of Cyclamen coum. This one from seed.

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Roma on February 04, 2019, 10:24:48 PM
I bought this one in September and it is still flowering.

Cyclamen metis 'Victoria Deco'  (according to the label)[attachimg=1].
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Rimmer de Vries on February 05, 2019, 02:42:10 PM
Cyclamen libanoticum from seed started 2014
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on February 11, 2019, 01:56:11 PM
Cyclamen alpinum, a dark form and a lighter form from seed

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and Cyclamen coum 'Maurice Dryden'

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: fermi de Sousa on February 11, 2019, 03:57:22 PM
Hi David,
That lighter coloured C.alpinum is delightful! Well done
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on February 11, 2019, 06:20:52 PM
Thanks Fermi, have a good holiday.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: ArnoldT on February 12, 2019, 04:49:01 PM
Nice David.

here's a Cyclamen coum Yayladagi received from a fellow forumist before I was a forumist.

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Bart on February 13, 2019, 06:10:53 PM
Cyclamen persicum is in full swing now. I have a few plants from ex Jim Archibald seed and they are all very different. One has been in flower for a while and is naturally very leggy. The others are short and stocky, but I have no pictures of them yet

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In the light of the setting sun it seems to glow in a salmony hue:

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Another persicum, grown in the same light and temperature conditions:

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and another one, salmon, looks more like a florists cyclamen but is flowering really well and very long

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and C. hederifolium ex 93073

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on February 14, 2019, 03:47:56 PM
Two slightly different Cyclamen libanoticum examples both grown from seed.

The first.

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on February 14, 2019, 03:50:07 PM
...and the second Cyclamen libanoticum

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Gert-Jan on February 22, 2019, 12:21:35 PM
Hello, please find some pictures of our garden last weekend.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Gert-Jan on February 22, 2019, 12:22:26 PM
Some more
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Maggi Young on February 22, 2019, 12:25:08 PM
Beautiful flowers is your  garden, Gert-Jan - and your little dog is adorable!!
 I think  forum members do not only have the best gardens, they have the best  pets too!! ;D
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Gert-Jan on February 22, 2019, 12:26:24 PM
Hello, please find strange flower of C. libanoticum. It was already present around last Christmas, now flowering. GJ
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: François Lambert on February 27, 2019, 12:09:11 PM
A cyclamen not growing as anything I have read about how cyclamen should do.  These cyclamen (purchased in a garden center) are killed if I give them a dry summer rest.  I tried that a few year ago, and after starting to water them again in September nothing happened, one bulb was rotting after some time, the other bulb was not rotting, but also never restarted to grow.  Fortunately, I had some seeds and my current plants are raised from those seeds.
At the same time they are at least a bit frost hardy, because there is no room on the windowsills I have kept them in the greenhouse since November, only placing them for a week in the (rather dark) stable when night temps dropped to -6°C.  But I know they were exposed to sub-zero temps in the stable anyway and the soil in the pot was frozen.

During the long period with cold temps they didn't grow but at the same time the flowers that were open have lasted for months.  With the current warm temps they have reconnected with growth and put up more flowers.

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Does anyone have similar experiences or know a bit more about unusual growing habits for Cyclamen ?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Maggi Young on February 27, 2019, 01:32:58 PM
I was interested to see this picture of  Forum friend  Renate Brinkers at the recent  snowdrop event at Luisenpark in Mannheim ...

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 I shared the photo with Ranate and  told her I hoped sales had gone well - Renate tells me that  yes,  she sold well and she think all the others did, too. They had the luck of very nice weather and so lot of people visited Luisenpark and the Snowdrop event.
Renate has also had the luck that there is an article in the Magazin Landlust about her and her
Cyclamen ( http://www.pflanze-und-co.de/Landlust2019.pdf (http://www.pflanze-und-co.de/Landlust2019.pdf) )    and a new publication about Cyclamen from Gartenbotanische Vereinigung, so with the Snowdrop Events and the Cyclamen Days in her nursery end of March it is a really busy time  - she says " as it should be now. I am very happy about that. "

Another  mutual friend, Hans J.  sent me the list of events  Renate has on her calendar this Spring

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http://www.pflanze-und-co.de/ (http://www.pflanze-und-co.de/)

http://www.pflanze-und-co.de/Cyclamen%20Februar%202019.pdf (http://www.pflanze-und-co.de/Cyclamen%20Februar%202019.pdf)  - Renate's cyclamen list

 Renate and Werner Brinkers do not only sell cyclamen - see their website for their  full list !

 Other  dates  arranged so far for  2019 :
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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Renate Brinkers on February 27, 2019, 02:27:22 PM
Hi to all,

nice to see my picture here. I am Looking not really bad, not as good as the Cyclamen of course  ;D

It was my first time at Luisenpark in Mannheim and it was great there. Not only the snowdrops have been fine, also the Luisenpark is a great place which is worth a visit.
At events like in Luisenpark I always meet some forum members, it is great to talk with people you usually know from a name.

Greetings
Renate
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Maggi Young on February 27, 2019, 03:04:44 PM
Even for those who are not facebook members, it is possible to see the album of Luisenpark Snowdrop Event photos  here : https://www.facebook.com/pg/schneegloeckchentage/photos/?tab=album&album_id=2183084305111663 (https://www.facebook.com/pg/schneegloeckchentage/photos/?tab=album&album_id=2183084305111663)

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Tomte on February 28, 2019, 01:37:35 PM
Flowering now: Cyclamen alpinum.. Still quite young but promising.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Bart on March 04, 2019, 04:00:57 PM
An unusual problem on one of my C. hederifolium :

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It is a dry, corky lesion, the leaves do not appear to wilt.
The third picture shows that it could well be spreading....
Any suggestions are welcome.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Carolyn on March 04, 2019, 05:20:59 PM
Has water been sitting on that part of the leaves?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Bart on March 04, 2019, 07:59:29 PM
Hi Carolyn, are you thinking lens effect so it is sun burn? It’s possible, but why only on 1 plant out of 100 s
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: rob krejzl on March 05, 2019, 02:04:45 AM
Quote
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/jul/23/dont-water-plants-on-sunny-days-and-two-other-horticultural-myths

Hmmm....
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Carolyn on March 05, 2019, 01:46:34 PM
In my experience it IS possible to get scorch marks on leaves when watering in strong sunlight. The plants which immediately spring to mind are young tomato plants, I don't know how many times I have damaged the leaves on hot days with rushed/careless watering!
It just struck me, Bart, that the marks on your leaves are where water might gather, near the centre of the leaf.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 06, 2019, 09:44:01 AM
Cyclamen rohlfsianum has produced its first flowers for the season,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Roma on March 06, 2019, 10:20:33 PM
Who needs flowers

Cyclamen rhodium ssp. peloponnesiacum

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: fleurbleue on March 07, 2019, 03:19:34 PM
Waouh !  :o I love it Roma  ;)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Claire Cockcroft on March 07, 2019, 05:06:58 PM
Those leaves are eye-popping, Roma!
...Claire
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Roma on March 07, 2019, 08:36:31 PM
Thank you, Nicole and Claire
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 11, 2019, 10:24:54 AM
Cyclamen graecum is now flowering in the rock garden and in the shade-house
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Claire Cockcroft on March 11, 2019, 07:03:04 PM
Cyclamen repandum v. rhodense grown from seed from the Alpine Garden Society of British Columbia.  Sown in 2010.  Not yet in flower..
...Claire
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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on March 18, 2019, 07:46:07 PM
Cyclamen pseudibericum from seed sown August 2014.

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Roma on March 18, 2019, 09:48:28 PM
Nice one, David

A few of mine

Cyclamen libanoticum  parent plant and offspring
Cyclamen pseudibericum
Cyclamen persicum  an old Wye College cultivar.  I still have 2 grown from seed many years ago with pure white flowers and beautifully patterned leaves

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on March 22, 2019, 07:42:59 PM
From the garden Cyclamen repandum. The accompanying blossom is from Pieris 'Valley Valentine'.

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Carolyn on March 22, 2019, 07:55:06 PM
David,
Nice combination with the fallen pieris blossom.
Now, a question: I have grown cyclamen repandum from seed with a view to planting it out in the garden. Do you find that it needs the protection of the evergreen pieris above it? Or would it be OK in a more open spot? I have been debating where to plant mine....
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on March 22, 2019, 08:36:07 PM
Carolyn, they do seem to like it under the Pieris. Killerton House just outside Exeter has whole swathes of repandum mainly under the protection of taller trees. I would have thought you would get away with just light shade. It's not often I get plant placing right first time and I have to say it was pure guesswork!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Maggi Young on March 22, 2019, 09:22:25 PM
I would think that the cyclamen appreciate the  nearby shrub to take up  any excess  wet.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Claire Cockcroft on March 23, 2019, 03:44:32 PM
I agree, Maggi.  One clump of repandum in my garden thrives in the middle of Zauschneria garrettii, producing a lot of seedlings.  I don't know how it manages, but it does.
...Claire
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: ashley on March 23, 2019, 04:41:52 PM
Repandum seeds around a bit here too in grass away from shrubs/trees so tolerates moisture in open ground.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: SJW on March 28, 2019, 12:30:35 AM
Repandum seeds around a bit here too in grass away from shrubs/trees so tolerates moisture in open ground.

Here they are, naturalised in a fairly open position at Brodsworth Hall, Yorkshire: http://www.picturesofengland.com/England/South_Yorkshire/Brodsworth/Brodsworth_Hall/pictures/1046422 (http://www.picturesofengland.com/England/South_Yorkshire/Brodsworth/Brodsworth_Hall/pictures/1046422)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Carolyn on March 28, 2019, 07:54:44 AM
Thank you, everyone, some useful observations. If repandum can survive the rain in Cork, it will be OK here too! What a lovely patch of flowers at Brodsworth Hall, something to aspire to.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 30, 2019, 02:04:56 AM
Pleased to see that two seedlings of Cyclamen graecum are old enough to flower ("mum" in the background)
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Yann on March 30, 2019, 11:04:42 PM
 Cyclamen creticum from seeds i collected in 2016 and sown end of summer
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Roma on March 31, 2019, 11:32:58 AM
Looking good just now -

Cyclamen rhodium ssp. peloponnesiacum
Cyclamen repandum
Cyclamen rhodium ssp. vividum

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Pauli on March 31, 2019, 05:34:52 PM
Fantastic!  :o
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: fermi de Sousa on April 09, 2019, 10:10:52 AM
A few Cyclamen mirabile ex 'Tilebarn Nicholas' in flower now in the shade-house
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Roma on April 09, 2019, 10:37:53 PM
Two mystery Cyclamen
The first is from Cyclamen Society seed labelled Cyclamen balearicum but the flowers are more like repandum though the leaves look ok

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The second from my own seed from a dubious plant which I seem to have lost has Cyclamen balearicum flowers and Cyclamen repandum leaves.  Maybe they are both hybrids.

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: t00lie on April 15, 2019, 09:16:50 AM
Visited a good friend yesterday on the way home from Saturdays Iris Study Day up country and brought back this nice dark flowering form of Cyclamen hederifolium.

There are a number of young seedlings in the pot with different leaf markings so it will be interesting to see what eventuates.

Cheers Dave.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on April 15, 2019, 12:01:05 PM
Cyclamen repandum 'Alba'

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: fermi de Sousa on May 14, 2019, 10:55:57 AM
Cyclamen rohlfsianum is now producing foliage and its last flowers.
Could I possibly hope that seed is setting?
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Roma on May 28, 2019, 09:15:56 PM
As the last flowers fade on Cyclamen rhodium peloponnesiacum fade the first are opening on Cyclamen purpurascens.

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 15, 2019, 03:16:26 PM
We got this Cyclamen coum [grown from CSE seed in 2005] from the plants left by our friend Margaret Taras who died a few years ago.
It has good foliage and and the flowers are a bit different to the other C. coum we grow,
cheers
fermi
Magaret's Cyclamen coum is in flower again
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: AnJo11 on July 17, 2019, 11:03:37 AM
I grow only hardy species in my area, outside,  so most are cycl. hederifolium, but I have some intersting varieties, like this full silver one:
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it is quite fair from seeds, more or less 50% are full silver, 25% are partialy, and 25% are qite similar to wild form.
this other form (this one look similar) have usualy leaves with the center more or less pink.

I have also many variations of C. coum
some few C. repandum, pseodoibericum, and others whose identities are unclear ...
but few pictures, next spring I'll take some...
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: barnclos on July 20, 2019, 05:39:04 PM
Since sowing seed of C. fatraense in February 2018, I have learned that it is a misspelling of C. fatrense, which is itself a synonym for C. purpurascens, although the last thing I read suggest the name C. purpurascens subsp. immaculatum. I’m confused, and the plant is too as it is [attach=1][attach=2][attach=3]30 °C with no significant rain for over a month.

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 27, 2019, 10:30:38 AM
We got this as Cyclamen cyprium last year from Hillview and it's produced its first flower
but as Ashley points out it's probably C. elegans
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: ashley on July 27, 2019, 12:43:52 PM
Nice cyclamen Fermi, but unfortunately it's not cyprium (which should have auricles like hederifolium etc.).  My guess would be elegans 8)

Here C. purpurascens is fragrantly doing its thing.  Only today I noticed that the floral trunks can branch when necessary.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Jupiter on August 03, 2019, 12:15:15 PM
I picked this up at a nursery today, unlabeled. Can anyone have a stab at an ID? Not quite coum, could be something more interesting... ?

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Carolyn on August 03, 2019, 07:31:56 PM
Could be coum subsp. caucasicum, which has heart shaped leaves with crenate margins. It's difficult to tell from the photo - are the leaf margins slightly scalloped?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: JohnLonsdale on August 04, 2019, 02:20:51 AM
Cyclamen hederifolium
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Carolyn on August 06, 2019, 10:54:14 AM
Cyclamen hederifolium

John,
Can you explain why you think hederifolium?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: JohnLonsdale on August 06, 2019, 08:19:19 PM
Hi Carolyn, It is definitely hederifolium, and checking the tuber will confirm it for sure.  It will have roots coming out of multiple locations over the surface, and although young, the tuber surface will already becoming a little rough.  Tubers of coum, for example are very smooth.  Roots of coum only come from a single point below the tuber. The leaves are very characteristic of many thousands I've potted up but not so easy to describe!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Carolyn on August 06, 2019, 10:25:46 PM
John,
Thanks for that. Your explanation about the roots of coum reminds me that I have several tubers which have come completely to the surface, showing the smooth tuber with roots below. I must mulch them with leafmould tomorrow, before they come into growth.
When I think about the leaves of hederifolium, would I be right in thinking that those roundish, heart-shaped leaves are maybe characteristic of a young plant, and the more ivy- like shape develops later? Or are there just so many variations of hederifolium leaves?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: JohnLonsdale on August 07, 2019, 12:37:25 PM
John,
When I think about the leaves of hederifolium, would I be right in thinking that those roundish, heart-shaped leaves are maybe characteristic of a young plant, and the more ivy- like shape develops later? Or are there just so many variations of hederifolium leaves?

Both, the variations are endless and those leaves are more typical of maybe two-year old plants. While leaves on young plants show the true markings it can take a while for the full shape to manifest.  That said - the leaves in the original picture will never become ivy-like. That shape would already be apparent, even if not fully formed.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Anthony Darby on August 08, 2019, 12:52:05 AM
Here are two Cyclamen persicum in the rockery just now. The larger one on the left is of Rhodes origin; the other Jordan. Both came as seeds from Hans Joschko. You can also see Gladiolus cardinalis behind a nice dwarf Hebe.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: stone on August 15, 2019, 07:06:35 AM
good morning
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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Yann on August 27, 2019, 08:59:14 PM
Cyclamen mirabile, seeds from the Cyclamen Society, 12/2016
A few flowers in the greenhouse, can't wait to see more flowers than pots :)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Hans J on September 02, 2019, 03:22:02 PM
today in the garden  :D

.....thats results of sprinkling Cyclamen seeds...

Greetings
Hans  8)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on September 04, 2019, 01:38:38 PM
My Cyclamen in the greenhouse just getting going:-

Cyclamen mirabile 'Tilebarn Nicholas'

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C. intaminatum

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on September 04, 2019, 01:40:57 PM
From seed, Cyclamen mirabile

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again from seed, Cyclamen cilicium

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: fermi de Sousa on September 04, 2019, 05:03:09 PM
Cyclamen persicum grown from AGS Seedex 2005 as "ex Israel" now growing well in the garden under a Rowan
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Mini bulb lover on September 05, 2019, 08:46:39 AM
I thought I'd share some photos of my very small Cyclamen coum flowers - see if anyone else has had very small flowers like these before. The seed was originally from Green Ice, described as Christmas leaf / silver leaf. I've tried to show how small the flowers are by using a small matchstick and the end of a pencil (with eraser) for scale. Three of them in one pot all had small leaves and produced small flowers for the first time last year. So I split them into individual 3" tubes this year to see if they would stay small. I'm happy to see that they have. In fact this one has even smaller flowers than last year. This new soil (commercial potting mix) contained slow release fertiliser and I also liquid feed them every few weeks during active growth. I'm hoping they'll produce seed to see if their progeny produce this characteristic.

None of the other Cyclamen coum in the same batch (in other pots) had this trait so the small size could be environmental. Time will tell. I love them though!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Maggi Young on September 05, 2019, 12:31:37 PM
Never  seen such little  coum - they are  definitely  appealing, Jon!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Yann on September 05, 2019, 07:33:34 PM
 indeed very small
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: SJW on September 06, 2019, 01:35:01 AM
I thought I'd share some photos of my very small Cyclamen coum flowers - see if anyone else has had very small flowers like these before.
I have a C. cilicium with tiny flowers that I spotted among a batch of normal ones and bought from RHS Harlow Carr a few years ago. It's kept its small flower size for the last two years so this example must be a genetic quirk rather than environmental. It's more interesting than attractive!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Mini bulb lover on September 06, 2019, 08:08:03 AM
I have a C. cilicium with tiny flowers that I spotted among a batch of normal ones and bought from RHS Harlow Carr a few years ago. It's kept its small flower size for the last two years so this example must be a genetic quirk rather than environmental.

That's interesting Steve. Does yours produce seed?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Yann on September 06, 2019, 06:59:42 PM
Cyclamen graecum is already blooming, the last fresh nights triggered many bulbs.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: SJW on September 06, 2019, 10:58:11 PM
That's interesting Steve. Does yours produce seed?
Yes, there were a few viable seed pods last year so I'll be interested to see if the trait is passed on to the seedlings.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Yann on September 08, 2019, 10:12:20 PM
Cyclamen purpurascens and its pleasant perfume.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: barnclos on September 13, 2019, 04:30:51 PM
C. cyprium
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C. intaminatum
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An unlikely meeting of cyprium and intaminatum
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I’m feeling guilty that I didn’t repot intaminatum
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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: ArnoldT on September 15, 2019, 11:33:28 PM
photo taken at Calcata, small town north of Rome last week.

Believe it's C. hederafolium
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on September 19, 2019, 08:14:23 PM
Light and dark forms of Cyclamen cilicium. The lighter form is from seed.

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on September 19, 2019, 08:18:54 PM
Cyclamen cilicium forma album and C. cilicium ex. 'Erna Frank', both from seed.

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on September 19, 2019, 08:22:57 PM
Cyclamen mirabile, from Mike Quest

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Cyclamen confusum, from seed

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on September 19, 2019, 08:26:51 PM
Cyclamen hederifolium an arrow leaf form, from seed

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Cyclamen graecum ssp. candicum from seed sown August 2015

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Graeme on September 19, 2019, 08:46:51 PM
I have a couple of C. Hederifolium 'Stargazer' plants however they are both white
Is there a pink form of are they all white?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Yann on September 19, 2019, 09:47:47 PM
Nice show David, your clone from Mike is stunning.
Hand pollinated does seeds keep features?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Pauli on September 20, 2019, 06:24:12 AM
David,
beautiful plants, perfectly pictured!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on September 20, 2019, 09:17:34 AM
I have a couple of C. Hederifolium 'Stargazer' plants however they are both white
Is there a pink form of are they all white?

The original, of American origin, is pink. Extract following from Grey-Wilson's book bearing in mind that the edition I have was published in 2002...

"".....Another plant appeared by chance in the collection of Malcolm Birkett, in his Yorkshire garden, except that it was a white-flowered version. The plant in question has produced seedlings but it is not yet known whether the offspring have inherited this bizarre flowering habit........."
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on September 20, 2019, 09:19:46 AM
Many thanks Yann and Herbert.

I'm not sure Yann, but I wouldn't think so.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Graeme on September 21, 2019, 10:55:15 AM
The original, of American origin, is pink. Extract following from Grey-Wilson's book bearing in mind that the edition I have was published in 2002...

"".....Another plant appeared by chance in the collection of Malcolm Birkett, in his Yorkshire garden, except that it was a white-flowered version. The plant in question has produced seedlings but it is not yet known whether the offspring have inherited this bizarre flowering habit........."
thanks David - I need to look for a pink one then :)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Joakim B on September 22, 2019, 08:06:01 PM
Nice Cyclamen David
Some questions
I grew some cyclamen from seed but during summer they went into dormancy
Only c. Hederifolium has woken up from dormancy now.
Cilicium and mirabile as well as coum has not come back even though there seem to be corms available. Are these harder to wake up?
All of these are in my parents out door room / greenhouse
My grecum has just broke dormancy even though it has been quite few good rains on it as it is standing in a pot on top of my potted lemon tree. (Outdoors) I almost thought it would not break dormancy?
Let’s hope it will have time to flower before it gets to late

I have the corms just below surface but wonder if they need to be deeper.
This also go for the once I have bought as adults.

How deep should the plants be?
As they are below a magnolia they get a bit of foliage on them. Do I need to clear that or will they work through it? I would assume the latter but is getting unsure.
Thanks in advance
Joakim
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Gerdk on September 23, 2019, 12:46:30 PM
Cyclamen cilicium - happy outside near the housewall

Gerd
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: PaulFlowers on September 25, 2019, 12:30:24 PM
Some beautiful wild cyclamen in Kos, Greece

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: ashley on September 25, 2019, 08:35:34 PM
Lovely photos Paul.  Presumably graecum?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: annew on September 26, 2019, 05:19:46 PM
I come home from a weekend away to find the cyclamen have decided to appear very quickly! Just one seedling of C. hederifolium Stargazer is doing the right thing with its flowers - really not designed to live outside in the rain  ::)
This form of Cyclamen cilicium has pretty flame-shaped flowers, but difficult to see with so many of them out at once.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Graeme on September 26, 2019, 07:07:51 PM
annew - your stargazer is white as well - has anyone got a pink one?
Great photos - it seems that all the cyclamen have started early this year

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Bart on September 28, 2019, 09:39:33 AM
Anne, that cilicium is an absolute stunner! Any chance you still have a bit of seed from that plant to spare?

I have messed up my seed contribution this year. 3 little chicks and their protective stepmom have taken it upon themselves to undo most of my labelling of open ground cyclamen. They also mixed the seedpods around, so I ended up with a decent quantity of mixed species and cultivars. Don't know if that is any good for the seedex? I missed the Cyclamen Societies deadline altogether this year, so what little specific seed I have salvaged will come the srgc seedex's way.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: annew on September 28, 2019, 11:00:00 PM
Sorry, Bart - it went to the Cyclamen Society....Could save you some next year?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Carolyn on September 29, 2019, 08:45:12 AM
Anne, that cilicium is an absolute stunner! Any chance you still have a bit of seed from that plant to spare?

I have messed up my seed contribution this year. 3 little chicks and their protective stepmom have taken it upon themselves to undo most of my labelling of open ground cyclamen. They also mixed the seedpods around, so I ended up with a decent quantity of mixed species and cultivars. Don't know if that is any good for the seedex? I missed the Cyclamen Societies deadline altogether this year, so what little specific seed I have salvaged will come the srgc seedex's way.
I think that if the cyclamen seeds are a mix of hardy species that would be fine for the seedex. What would be more of a problem is a mix of hardy and tender.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Gerdk on September 29, 2019, 10:52:46 AM
Cyclamen rohlfsianum - woken up by some watering in August is flowerin now

Gerd
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Maggi Young on September 29, 2019, 11:06:50 AM
Cyclamen rohlfsianum - woken up by some watering in August is flowerin now

Gerd
Such colouring!  "Delicious" !!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Gerdk on September 30, 2019, 07:35:06 PM
Thank you Maggi!

Gerd
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on October 03, 2019, 04:45:11 PM
Cyclamen cyprium ex 'ES' from seed

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Cyclamen x whiteae from seed sown September 2014

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on October 03, 2019, 04:49:07 PM
Two passed on to me by Mike Quest.

Cyclamen graecum

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Cyclamen graecum 'Glyfada' 

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 04, 2019, 06:02:02 AM
Hi David,
I like the colouring on the foliage on the two C. graecum forms  :)
I've tried the 'Glyfada' from seed without luck  :'(
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on October 04, 2019, 09:32:48 AM
I'll see what I can do next year Fermi.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 07, 2019, 09:51:18 AM
Hi David,
that's a kind offer but no longer possible due to changes in the import regulations making it impossible for us to receive seess that aren't commercially packeted or sent from a registered business or plant society :'(
I might try getting them through the Seedex again ;D
Yesterday I was surprised to see Cyclamen rohlfsianum already turning colour! However I was pleased to see what was beneath those golden leaves
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Mariette on October 13, 2019, 10:00:40 PM
A seedling of Cyclamen hederifolium with a ghost-like pattern under a silverish veil.

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Mariette on October 13, 2019, 10:03:44 PM
This Cyclamen hederifolium was bought 11 years ago from a Dutch gardener and obviously  belonged to a strain - label unfortunately lost. Does anybody know the name?

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Graeme on October 13, 2019, 11:31:34 PM
This Cyclamen hederifolium was bought 11 years ago from a Dutch gardener and obviously  belonged to a strain - label unfortunately lost. Does anybody know the name?

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I have one very similar and they were sold under the 'Silverme' label/strain - could be one of them
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on October 15, 2019, 04:23:10 PM
Two different colour forms of Cyclamen africanum. Both grown from the same batch of seeds (possibly from SRGC Seed Ex.) but my records are incomplete, sown October 2015.

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Mariette on October 16, 2019, 03:53:43 PM
I have one very similar and they were sold under the 'Silverme' label/strain - could be one of them
Thank You, Graeme! As far as I remember the label was ´Ice Green´, but that may have been just the name of Jan Bravenboer´s nursery where the gardener probably bought either plants or seed.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on October 16, 2019, 05:16:35 PM
Jan’s nursery was called ‘Green Ice’.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Diane Whitehead on October 16, 2019, 05:56:03 PM
Your africanum has a nicely marked leaf.  Mine has big green leaves with a slightly darker shadow.  Boring, as I consider the leaves to be the best part of most cyclamen.  I sowed the Cyclamen Society seed in 1997, and  I don't recall seeing any flowers yet.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: SJW on October 16, 2019, 09:26:01 PM
Thank You, Graeme! As far as I remember the label was ´Ice Green´, but that may have been just the name of Jan Bravenboer´s nursery where the gardener probably bought either plants or seed.

There was also an 'Ivy Ice' Series of C. hederifolium that was marketed by garden centres a while ago. "A new set of Autumn flowering cyclamen bred to produce lots of flowers with attractively marbled leaves in their first year."
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Gerdk on October 17, 2019, 01:47:08 PM
These are two cyclamen from Cyprus. C. graecum originally from Liveras and with some flowers finally
after this years hot summer.

Gerd
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Mariette on October 17, 2019, 04:26:35 PM
There was also an 'Ivy Ice' Series of C. hederifolium that was marketed by garden centres a while ago. "A new set of Autumn flowering cyclamen bred to produce lots of flowers with attractively marbled leaves in their first year."
Thank You, this seems more likely. Jan named a strain of Cyclamen purpurascens ´Green Ice´, but I don´t know of a strain of Cyclamen hederifolium of the same nae.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Armin on October 17, 2019, 04:51:38 PM
Beautiful cyclamen from all! 8)

I'm happy with my Garden hederifoliums -

3 cheap tubers from a discounter - it was a trial - surviving my outside conditions since 2 years :)
and a very dark flowering form from Renate Brinkers.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Graeme on October 17, 2019, 06:10:43 PM
has Cyclamen Society seed ex been distributed yet?

there was also supposed to be a CSE PM & JB seed list - not seen anything of that either
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on October 17, 2019, 06:57:31 PM
Graeme, have another read of the June CS Journal Pages 44/5
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Graeme on October 17, 2019, 07:04:02 PM
Graeme, have another read of the June CS Journal Pages 44/5
David at the moment I have everything in boxes so the chances of locating it less than zero  its a pity they don''t put a scanned in copy of the journal in the members area - or in fact e-mail a PDF out to everyone
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: David Nicholson on October 17, 2019, 07:12:46 PM
Graeme,

Assuming you sent your application form to Arthur Nicholls ""Distribution will start in mid-October and will take four to six weeks so please don't enquire about missing seeds until December""

""CSE, Peter Moore and Jan Bravenboor seed will be listed separately. The list will be available on the Society website, or by emailing seedorders@cyclamen.org  ""
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Graeme on October 17, 2019, 07:19:51 PM
Graeme,

Assuming you sent your application form to Arthur Nicholls ""Distribution will start in mid-October and will take four to six weeks so please don't enquire about missing seeds until December""

""CSE, Peter Moore and Jan Bravenboor seed will be listed separately. The list will be available on the Society website, or by emailing seedorders@cyclamen.org  ""
thanks David - I had e-mailed in for a CSE list but not had anything yet but an acknowledgment in June
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Diane Whitehead on October 18, 2019, 02:33:16 AM
Arthur wrote the CSE list would probably be ready in early November.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Mark Griffiths on October 29, 2019, 11:07:39 AM
Big Cyclamen surprise this morning. Looks like I have Cyclamen persicum var autumnale in flower.

About 15 years ago I visited Peter Moore. While looking around I saw a few plants labelled Cyclamen persicum var autumnale. I asked Peter about them and he said he would sell me one on the condition that I didn't complain if it flowered in spring. It did flower magnificently - pink flowers a bit dumpy with leaves that looked a litttle different from the norm ...in the spring. I grew a few potfuls from seed and tried various things - they still all flowered in the spring.

This one is an escapee into the sandbed - at first I thought it was a out of season C. rhodense but I think it's persicum. Better flower than the original too. Hurrah!!



Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Hans J on November 04, 2019, 01:00:32 PM
Here comes my Cyclamen persicum v. autumnale  :D
Seeds received from a nice plantfriend from Israel ( 2004 )
All my seedlings came true from seed !

Have fun
Hans
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Bart on November 04, 2019, 01:54:16 PM
Very nice, Hans!
A few plants are doing better than other years here:
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Cyclamen (hederifolium) crassifolium ex 93073 plant 1
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Cyclamen (hederifolium) crassifolium ex 93073 plant 2

Plant 2 has flowers twice the size of plant 1 and is all together larger.

Also flowering are a few Cyclamen rohlfsianum;

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Bart on November 04, 2019, 01:55:56 PM
A few more Cyclamen rohlfsianum

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Joakim B on November 07, 2019, 03:12:38 PM
Interesting that the flowers are below the foliage
My general feeling for cyclamen is that flowers are taller than foliage.
Nice effect the way You took the photo Bart with almost black foliage
Nice plants :)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Roma on November 07, 2019, 11:05:50 PM
I have the same problem with Cyclamen rohlfsianum.  I grow mine on a windowsill and do not start watering till the flowers appear.  The flowers come first and the leaves grow once I start watering.  I think they grow tall because they are not getting enough light. 
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Anne Repnow on November 13, 2019, 09:35:18 PM
I have a question for the experts: I attach photos of a Cyclamen found in the north of Peleponnese (Greece). I have found different Names in the literature which describe it as a subspecies of C. rhodium or C. repandum. However, I also found some indication that it is now recognised as a separate species: C. peleponnesiacum. Can you help me? I need the information for a publication...
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Yann on November 13, 2019, 09:40:51 PM
peleponnesiacum is a subsp of rhodium for somes and a subsp of repandum for others.
Having seen both in the wild i'll say that it's a form of repandum

Updated nomeclature is :

Cyclamen repandum ssp. repandum, Corsica and south of France
Cyclamen repandum ssp. repandum forma album, Corsica
Cyclamen repandum ssp. repandum var. barborense, Algeria
Cyclamen repandum ssp. peloponnesiacum, Greece peloponnese
Cyclamen repandum ssp. peloponnesiacum forma peloponnesiacum,  Greece peloponnese
Cyclamen repandum ssp. peloponnesiacum forma vividum,  Greece peloponnese
Cyclamen repandum ssp. rhododense, Greece Rhodes

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First published in Endemic Pl. Greece, Peloponnese: 239 (2001)
Not accepted by
Govaerts, R. (2001). World Checklist of Seed Plants Database in ACCESS E-F: 1-50919. [Cited as Cyclamen repandum subsp. rhodense.]

https://www.zobodat.at/pdf/Sauteria_1_0211-0222.pdf (https://www.zobodat.at/pdf/Sauteria_1_0211-0222.pdf)

and to had confusion here's a form found in Chios

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: SJW on November 13, 2019, 11:07:36 PM
I have a question for the experts: I attach photos of a Cyclamen found in the north of Peleponnese (Greece). I have found different Names in the literature which describe it as a subspecies of C. rhodium or C. repandum. However, I also found some indication that it is now recognised as a separate species: C. peleponnesiacum. Can you help me? I need the information for a publication...
Cyclamen rhodium ssp peloponnesiacum

https://www.cyclamen.org/plants/species/cyclamen-rhodium/ (https://www.cyclamen.org/plants/species/cyclamen-rhodium/)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Anne Repnow on November 14, 2019, 05:48:31 PM
Thank you, SJW! Your answer corresponds to what I was told by Dr. Ottmar Funk today, a German Cyclamen specialist. The name is now C. rhodium spp. peleponnesiacum
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: SJW on November 14, 2019, 11:15:01 PM
Thank you, SJW! Your answer corresponds to what I was told by Dr. Ottmar Funk today, a German Cyclamen specialist. The name is now C. rhodium spp. peleponnesiacum

A specialist indeed, in fact the Cyclamen Society sells Dr Funk's Cyclamen book.
https://www.cyclamen.org/publications/#1 (https://www.cyclamen.org/publications/#1)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Anne Repnow on November 15, 2019, 04:37:02 PM
That is good news!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Bart on November 18, 2019, 09:37:18 PM
I have the same problem with Cyclamen rohlfsianum.  I grow mine on a windowsill and do not start watering till the flowers appear.  The flowers come first and the leaves grow once I start watering.  I think they grow tall because they are not getting enough light. 
There appears to be a genetic element too: One plant always has leaves emerging before the flowers, the leaves get big, and flowers are tall and quite dark pink.
Then there are the plants (as pictured in previous posts on 4/11) where indeed watering influences how quickly the leaves form, and yet another batch where I get short dumpy, pale pink flowers first and leaves emerging later, which stay smaller.
I really love everything about C.  rohlfsianum, except its massive tuber and the need for massive pots, so space becomes an issue.
Indeed, light levels do make a difference in how etiolated the leaves get; in full sun in a cold greenhouse they look nicest and last a long time. I do take them into the house to enjoy the scent though.
Does anyone know if there is a white flowered form in cultivation as mentioned in B. Mathew's book?

C. crassifolium ex93070 is still flowering away and has a little guardian who has been on the same set of flowers for a week or so:

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and another one in late light:

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Yann on November 24, 2019, 02:07:28 PM
a small selection of hederifolium ssp crassifolium seen in the Taygetos earlier this month.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Gert-Jan on November 28, 2019, 11:29:33 AM
Hello,please find some pictures of our garden, 2 weeks ago.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Gert-Jan on November 28, 2019, 11:31:33 AM
Some more.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Joakim B on November 30, 2019, 07:57:27 PM
Nice cyclamen Gert Jan
Lovely foliage and a great setting where they seem to seed well!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Gert-Jan on December 02, 2019, 11:56:00 AM
Hello Joakim, thanks, yes indeed many young plants form all kind of species. They seem to like it here. It is a sheltered place, south facing. That is the reason that we can grow some tender species.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Mini bulb lover on December 04, 2019, 07:19:14 AM
""CSE, Peter Moore and Jan Bravenboor seed will be listed separately. The list will be available on the Society website, or by emailing seedorders@cyclamen.org  ""

The seed page on the Cyclamen Society website lists the email as seeds@cyclamen.org
Are both email addresses valid? A friend had emailed to the address David listed above.

I’m yet to receive my seed this year. I don’t know if there has been a delay in this year’s distribution? I had requested the CSE/ PM/ JB seed list to be emailed when it was released. I noticed yesterday that the 2019 list is now on their website.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Graeme on December 04, 2019, 08:28:29 PM
The seed page on the Cyclamen Society website lists the email as seeds@cyclamen.org
Are both email addresses valid? A friend had emailed to the address David listed above.

I’m yet to receive my seed this year. I don’t know if there has been a delay in this year’s distribution? I had requested the CSE/ PM/ JB seed list to be emailed when it was released. I noticed yesterday that the 2019 list is now on their website.
I have had an e-mail from the membership e-mail address today

"When sending your application to seedorders@cyclamen.org please ensure that you include your membership number, how you propose to pay and in the case of orders from America that you provide me with the necessary permit. Many thanks Arthur"
e-mail had excel and pdf attached - same as the pdf on the website

I had mailed earlier in the week for the other seed CSE etc. and have had a paypal invoice

I am not sure now if that is for the normal seed distribution or the CSE etc. however if they keep sending me invoices via paypal I will keep paying and see what comes - its always exciting :D

Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Mini bulb lover on December 05, 2019, 02:10:58 AM
Thanks Graeme. I received that email after I wrote my previous post. I've now sent my CSE order to seedorders@cyclamen.org. Maybe they've put the wrong email address on their website? I only joined the society this year.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Leena on December 14, 2019, 01:28:05 PM
Hello,please find some pictures of our garden, 2 weeks ago.

So lovely pictures and scenes, really inspiring! You have a wonderful Cyclamen garden. :)
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Gert-Jan on December 20, 2019, 12:02:51 PM
Hello Leena, thanks for the compliment.

Have a wonderfull Christmas everybody and all the best wishes for 2020.

GJ
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Mariette on December 22, 2019, 02:55:56 PM
Eleven years ago I received seed of C. elegans ex Iran, the seedlings are flowering between November and January. Recently there were doubts whether these are pure C. elegans, any help available?

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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: elena on January 05, 2020, 12:54:14 AM
My C. purpurascens keep flowering through all seasons. I keep them indoors under artificial LED lighting. They were grown from seeds obtained from Jan Bravenboer and Chiltern Seeds as well as from seeds produced by plants bought from Ashwood Nursery and Pottertons Nursery. The seeds were sown in 2015-2017 and Cyclamens remained indoors for their entire life. The photographs below were taken on the 3rd and 4th of Jan 2020. If you click on the photographs, a larger image will appear.
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The following is 'Verdume' with glossy leaves:
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The following is 'Silver Leaf' with unusual flowers:
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Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Gerdk on January 05, 2020, 10:01:59 AM
Eleven years ago I received seed of C. elegans ex Iran, the seedlings are flowering between November and January. Recently there were doubts whether these are pure C. elegans, any help available?

Your plants are nearly identical with mine - originally a Dr. Hans Simon introduction. The early flowering periode (before coum) also points to elegans. Why do you have doubts concerning the determination of your plants?

Gerd
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Mariette on January 05, 2020, 01:13:43 PM
In fact it were not my doubts, but some a collector uttered. As far as I´m able to use the keys, I´d judge it to be C. elegans, too. Thank You for Your information, Gerd!
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Diane Whitehead on January 09, 2020, 06:45:09 AM
I received my first lot of seeds today and have them all sown - from the regular list, not the CSE ones yet.  It is odd how some seeds from the UK come quickly, like the AGS seeds which arrived before Christmas Day and are showing some germination already, but the cyclamen seeds which were mailed Dec 12, just got here.

Some of the cyclamen seeds were tiny.  Has anyone had success germinating tiny ones?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Mark Griffiths on January 13, 2020, 11:11:07 PM
Diane, I tend to find that seed size isn't really an indicator of how successful germination will be, it's more about the species.

Of the smaller ones:

autumnal :C.cilicium and C.intaminatum germinate well.

Winter: C. parviflorum is not so easy to germinate.

Spring: C.repandum ssp repandum I find the hardest. C. balearicum is usually ok, C.creticum perhaps less so.

Which ones did you get?
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Diane Whitehead on January 13, 2020, 11:44:41 PM
I got seeds of many species, and some selections had tiny seeds while others had normal sized ones.

Here are the ones that were all tiny:

balearicum
coum Maurice Dryden
coum pewter/silver lf, pink flowers
hederifolium scented
repandum album

The CSE/Peter Moore/Jan Bravenboer seeds just arrived today.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Mark Griffiths on January 14, 2020, 10:33:40 AM
Diane, most of those should be fine. I find even within a single pod the seed size varies but germination remains good. The only one you might have a problem with is the repandum album - however I find it generally more robust than the normal repandum I have. 
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Véronique Macrelle on January 15, 2020, 03:06:04 PM
could someone remind me how to sow Cyclamen purpurascens?
 hot / cold, light / dark?
 and if the GA3 works on this cyclamen?
 these seeds were stored for a few months in the dry ...

last year, I only got one germination.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: SJW on January 16, 2020, 01:14:23 AM
could someone remind me how to sow Cyclamen purpurascens?
 hot / cold, light / dark?
 and if the GA3 works on this cyclamen?
 these seeds were stored for a few months in the dry ...

last year, I only got one germination.

I usually sow anytime during winter - wouldn't leave it much later than this though - and leave the pots outside. Cold and frost isn't a problem. Move under cover in Spring (frame, greenhouse etc) in the shade, and seed should start germinating by June. Don't let the pots dry out.
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Véronique Macrelle on January 16, 2020, 06:15:42 AM
thank
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: elena on January 18, 2020, 02:39:48 AM
could someone remind me how to sow Cyclamen purpurascens?
 hot / cold, light / dark?
 and if the GA3 works on this cyclamen?
 these seeds were stored for a few months in the dry ...

last year, I only got one germination.


Below I outline a rather successful approach to germinating the seeds of C.purpurascens it was successfully used on three sets of seeds planted in different years, 200 seeds in total. The aim is to get most seeds to germinate at the same time.

Overall strategy: use stratification on the seeds and make sure everything used for potting was previously heat-treated.
Whenever water is needed, only boiled water is used, never tap water. This ensures absence of mould and parasites, at least early in the life of those Cyclamens.

Stratification:
Seeds are first placed in a jar of water with 1 drop of Fairy in 200ml of water for 24 hours and then again in a jar with an anticeptic (Potassium Permanganate, in the concentration giving light magenta colour). While seeds are prepared with Fairy and anticeptic, a pot for them is prepared: a clay pot that was heat-treated by keeping it for a while in a boiled water is filled with drainage (which was also heat-treated) and a mix of soil and washed and heat-treated sand (sand granules 1-1.5mm in size). The proportion of soil and sand is 1:1.
The soil is J.Innes N 2 and soil from a pine-beech forest mixed in proportion 2:1. This soil mixture is heat-treated in the oven for 30 min at 82C-83C (if it is colder, it is much less effective and overheating makes the soil toxic to plants). Once the pot is filled, it is watered with anticeptic.

The seeds are sown very close to each other and after that the pot is sealed in a bag. This is done between Nov and Jan; the sealed pot is placed in a kitchen fridge at +4C until Apr 1st and then in a different fridge at +7C - +8C until June 1st. This ensures that seeds of C.purpurascens are stratified. All this time the seal on the bag remains intact.

Potting:
On the 1st of June the sealed pot is placed on the floor not far from the front door (temperature 15C-20C) without opening and subsequently it is opened once a week so as to pot Cyclamens that pop. Most germinated plants have about 1cm long stem and sometimes up to 3cm long roots. Potting Cyclamens when they are very small apparently ensures early flowering. This process (potting and possibly moisturising the jar) is continued weekly until mid-August. In the 3 different experiments 30%, 50% and 70% of seeds germinated.

Repeated stratification:
After August, the pot with remaining seeds is sealed in a bag again and stratified in the fridge until next June if many seeds did not germinate. In the first experiment where only 30% of the seeds germinated in the first year, additional 50% of the original number planted germinated in the second year.

It seems that far more seeds germinate in June-Aug if stratification begins in Nov-Dec rather than in Jan, but the process of stratification can be repeated to persuade many of the those which remained to germinate.

After germinating, Cyclamens are grown based on the article by Gert Forum Petersen in the Journal of the Cyclamen Society "Cyclamen" V.8, p. 44 "Growing Cyclamen seedlings under artificial light". In this article, Gert described how to make seedlings of many types of Cyclamen, including C.purpurascens grow around 4 times faster than under normal conditions. This is also my experience. The three main components of this method is an abundance of light, warmth and moist atmosphere (I cover seedlings with plastic bags for the first few weeks after they are potted).

Elena
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: ArnoldT on February 01, 2020, 05:00:26 PM
Cyclamen coum Yayladagi.

A gift many years ago from a forumist.

Still going strong.  Grows in a cool greenhouse here in Northern New Jersey, USA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaylada%C4%9F%C4%B1
Title: Re: Cyclamen 2019
Post by: Hans J on February 01, 2020, 06:58:35 PM
Hi Arnold ,

nice to see that you still my Cyclamen coum ex Yayladagi  is growing so well for you

Congratulation  ;D

Hans   8)
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