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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Blonde Ingrid on December 01, 2018, 09:50:50 AM
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As usual my 'Swap/Spares' pots leads the way!
First up, Bumble Green, this year showing full green tipped marks.
Next a pot of Autumn flowering Plicatus, these have done really well. They also have a great fragrance, nearly up to the Gr-os.
Next, the old favourite Three Ships, early as usual here.
Finally, a delightful pot of Crocus laevigatus flowering it's socks off, single bulb originally sourced from Anne Wright.
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I've decided I really do favour the darker green markings. (Probably change my mind tomorrow!)
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Cathy Portier ( in Belgium) has her new list online :
https://www.coolplants.com/catalog/index.cfm?site=galanthus&page=1&pgsize=all&fbclid=IwAR0F14IP3IvpEgfGGBrO8TkvpiM4FVOUlc7TzqigL-md9l6jMcfa92Qyt4k (https://www.coolplants.com/catalog/index.cfm?site=galanthus&page=1&pgsize=all&fbclid=IwAR0F14IP3IvpEgfGGBrO8TkvpiM4FVOUlc7TzqigL-md9l6jMcfa92Qyt4k)
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Paul Barney´s Edulis - list arrived today, too.
Merry Advent season to all!
Galanthus reginae-olgae ´Cambridge´and Arum italicum ´Pamela Harper´ greeting the last month of the year.
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Next a pot of Autumn flowering Plicatus, these have done really well. They also have a great fragrance, nearly up to the Gr-os.
Interesting that autumn-flowering plicatus were unknown until very very recently. 'Three Ships' was the earliest and, if I remember correctly, is one of the parents of 'Bumble Green'. But earlier this year I was able to buy one tiny bulb of an unnamed autumn-flowering plicatus from Ruben Billiet at the Mid Anglia Bulb Sale. And Ingrid, leading the pack as ever, has a whole pot full. Our common snowdrop, Galanthus nivalis, is looking increasingly exceptional as not (as far as we know) producing autumn-flowering forms.
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Some early bloomers here in Virginia Dec 2, 2018: elwesii monostictus, fall blooming plicatus byzantinus, 'Cambridge', peshmenii, and transcaucasicus
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Galanthus ‘Gabriel’
One of the SRGC members kindly sent me some snowdrop varieties last year and this is the earliest among them :)
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Some early bloomers here in Virginia Dec 2, 2018: elwesii monostictus, fall blooming plicatus byzantinus, 'Cambridge', peshmenii, and transcaucasicus
Nice selection, Tim!
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Galanthus ‘Gabriel’
One of the SRGC members kindly sent me some snowdrop varieties last year and this is the earliest among them :)
Very elegant "hold" to the outers.
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Well, I am chuffed G elwesii Barn's form has flowered in December for the first time ever. At least that is what the label says!
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Well, I am chuffed G elwesii Barn's form has flowered in December for the first time ever. At least that is what the label says!
There's one called 'Barnes' which is a near approximation to your label. AFAIK the origin of the name 'Barnes' is lost; perhaps it came from someone with the surname Barnes.
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Cheers. Will alter the label to match then. Only had it for 5 years, never flowered in December before even though it is supposed to.
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In my garden in Germany near the Dutch border ´Barnes´flowers regularly in October or November. This year this snowdrop is somewhat late, due to the the long drought, and is still in flower now.
This pic was taken on the 26.10. 2014.
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Galanthus ‘Gabriel’
The temperature rose up to 20˚C today and its petals warped upwards. Just like a hovering angel :)
Galanthus ‘Gabriel’
One of the SRGC members kindly sent me some snowdrop varieties last year and this is the earliest among them :)
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In my garden in Germany near the Dutch border ´Barnes´flowers regularly in October or November. This year this snowdrop is somewhat late, due to the the long drought, and is still in flower now.
This pic was taken on the 26.10. 2014.
Near Heidelberg Barnes blooms very early - in October. A lovely no-nonsense drop that increases really well.
I am happy about my own discovery blooming now - a virescent G.e. monostictus. The weather is abysmal - I hope it opens up within the next few days
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That's a very nice one, Anne. How does it compare to 'York Minster'?
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That is a very good question, Alan. I wonder myself and wil post pics for you to decide.
My feeling is that the outers on this one are a little broader and longer and more stripey green than extensively washed green as in York Minster.
I am hoping to get York Minster next year, so I can really compare them.
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Hi All,
Three Ships opens the season here….. a bit early… and looking like it’ll need dividing AGAIN this Summer.
Tim DH
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Three Ships sailing in early here as well.
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A lovely scenery, Ralph! The snowdrops look as if they decided on their own to grow there.
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Great stocking filler for galanthophiles, daffanatics and tulipomaniacs! The 2018 RHS yearbook is available now!
Available from the RHS here: http://www.rhsshop.co.uk/productdetails.aspx?id=10000470&itemno=9781907057915 (http://www.rhsshop.co.uk/productdetails.aspx?id=10000470&itemno=9781907057915) RHS price £11.95 + £2.50 UK postage
Is it available from the SRGC?
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"Is it available from the SRGC?"
Anne, I corrected your RHS link, which had an error.
The Daffy Yearbook is not available from the SRGC, but, as usual, we are able to tell forumists that the RHS Daffodil, Snowdrop and Tulip Yearbook 2018 is available from John Gibson 14 Waverley Road Kettering Northants NN156NT (as originally detailed here :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=16752.msg397635#msg397635 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=16752.msg397635#msg397635) ) where there are also some notes re articles.
John Gibson 14 Waverley Road Kettering Northants NN156NT
The price including delivery to UK addresses is By Cheque made payable to the RHS for £10 sent to the above address.
John will also accept payments by PayPal to the email address gibbo.john@ntlworld.com
Paypal payments will be £10.00 for delivery to UK Addresses. To EU addresses it will be £14.70 and to the rest of the world the cost is £17.30 - the slightly increased prices are to cover the PayPal charges.
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This little group of G. plicatus spp. byzantinus has been blooming - one after the other - since the end of October. I'm hoping they will clump up in coming years...
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This is really an elegant beauty, unlike ´Three Ships´, though I´m glad to grow that one, at least! I wonder why it hasn´t been named, as so many others of less distinction have been.
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A lovely scenery, Ralph! The snowdrops look as if they decided on their own to grow there.
Thanks Mariette, I don't like the garden to look too tidy!
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This is really an elegant beauty, unlike ´Three Ships´, though I´m glad to grow that one, at least! I wonder why it hasn´t been named, as so many others of less distinction have been.
Autumn-flowering specimens of Galanthus plicatus were unknown (or undocumented) even 3 years ago. Then a report circulated of some being found in Turkey and now all the serious snowdrop collectors seem to be growing them. Some sort of synchronicity, I suppose. But they haven't been around long enough to start being named.
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Thank You for this interesting information, Alan! I wondered whether this autumn-flowering Galanthus plicatus is a seedling of ´Three Ships´, which is shy to set seed with me. As there is even a bunch of this exciting new drops, as You tell, it´s certainly better to test them before naming any.
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You are right, Mariette and Alan. I had about 4 blooms one after the other and they alle looked more or less the same to me. I think it is a wild subspecies with normal variations. Ru may have selected particular forms by now - time will tell.
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Hi Mariette,
I’ve not had any trouble setting seed with ‘Three Ships’. In fact I got so many seedlings that most of them have been banished to the Allotment, where they astound the other plot holders!
Tim DH
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Hi All,
Three Ships opens the season here….. a bit early… and looking like it’ll need dividing AGAIN this Summer.
Tim DH
You have more vessels there than the average shipping magnate, Tim!! :D
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And such pretty ones, too! I think I´d like that one even better than the mother! You´re a lucky guy, Tim! Do You know which partner was the father of these children?
Maybe it was Martin Baxendale who once reported here of difficulties to use ´Three Ships´for breeding. The fertility may depend on matching partners, but seems to be influenced by temperature, too. During the mild seasons of the last years, many said-to-be sterile snowdrops like ´S. Arnott´and´Mrs. Macnamara´ produced seed, which they refused to do before in our area.
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You are right, Mariette and Alan. I had about 4 blooms one after the other and they alle looked more or less the same to me. I think it is a wild subspecies with normal variations. Ru may have selected particular forms by now - time will tell.
Some have indeed been named.
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Hi Mariette,
'Three Ships' was the father and 'Mrs Macnamara' the mother. After I'd done the pollination I too read about the hopelessness of attempting such crosses! I was fully expecting the pod to be empty!! To add to the problems I also read about MrsM being Triploid or Tetraploid, so I thought the seeds might fail....
As it is MrsM now sets wild (unknown father) seed with me every year. Three Ships doesn't, but then again it doesn't overlap with many cultivars here.
Tim DH
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Thank You for Your information, Tim! In my garden, both grow side by side, so that may be why ´Mrs. Macnamara´set seed so well recently. As far as I remember, Martin wrote that ´Three Ships´proved unwilling to set seed, which is the same with me, though there were occasionally capsules with very few seeds in them.
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I have only recently started buying named varieties of snowdrops and only a few not too expensive ones.
Galanthus corcyrensis is still flowering and I was surprised to see 'Fly Fishing' so advanced. It was one bulb from Avon planted in March and has 6 shoots, 3 with flower buds.
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I was surprised to see 'Fly Fishing' so advanced. It was one bulb from Avon planted in March and has 6 shoots, 3 with flower buds.
Although noted for the very long pedicel, 'Fly Fishing' is also a particularly early snowdrop amongst the winter-flowering ones. Congratulations that it is bulking-up so quickly for you.
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A nice selection of Galanthus alpinus flowering this morning in Sub-Tropical East Anglia.
Also Yvonne Hay looking lovely.
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Glad it's "sub-tropical" somewhere! Lousy here and has been for the last three weeks. Yet another stretch of fencing has finished up in the far reaches of next doors garden and just waiting for a quote from my regular fencing chap who does pretty well out of the rapidly diminishing Nicholson children's inheritance.
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Glad it's "sub-tropical" somewhere! Lousy here and has been for the last three weeks. Yet another stretch of fencing has finished up in the far reaches of next doors garden and just waiting for a quote from my regular fencing chap who does pretty well out of the rapidly diminishing Nicholson children's inheritance.
Sounds rough David, here it is very bright and sunny, my micro-climate is very warm and dry, even in a warm and dry region.
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A delight waiting for me this morning!
Plato talked about the pure form of an object, which each object possesses in some part. The very best snowdrops contain a major part of the pure form.
Here is Eilys Elizabeth Hartley, one of Anne Wright's introductions, which contains a major part. Note the three greens on this snowdrop, the lovely form. It really is special.
In addition, it was named for a young child who tragically passed.
In common with all of Anne's drops it is bulking very well indeed. One to look out for.
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Eilys Elizabeth Hartley really is a beauty, Ingrid. I love these chubby forms.
Dysmal weather here but warm, so my elwesii foundling opened up.
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Lovely to see so many snowdrops out this year. Hope some are holding back for my NGS open day!
Thought this would appeal to leaf lovers, Corkscrew, quite warm and sunny here today.
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Dry[attachimg=1]ad Gold Sovereign first yellow to open here, well in advance of all the others.
John(M)
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Dryad Gold Sovereign first yellow to open here, well in advance of all the others.
John(M)
Looking very good John, in a year or two you will be looking at something like this. Anne's drops bulk very well.
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Looking forward to that day Ingrid. The intensity of the yellow is most striking, I hope this stays as the bulb matures.
John(M)
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My earliest flowering byzantinus so far is a virescent find from last spring - much earlier than when found and dropping today (may have dropped while I have been at my parents today but sure it will be Boxing Day if not and pretty much out for Christmas anyway!).
It's in the Kryptonite school of partly marked outers, a bit like a plicate version of Anne's lovely elwesii find above. A small bulb when found last year; it has two scapes coming this season, so seems to be maturing nicely.
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What a lovely plant, Josh! Very special indeed.
What I've noticed about early galanthus in my garden: they seem to bloom earlyer and earlyer the more settled and fat the bulb has become. This parameter seems to be more important than weather conditions in the summer.
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Galanthus corcyrensis feeling the cold yesterday
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Galanthus nivalis floreplena. The first two are at the door of a derelict farmhouse. The third one in grass by the roadside. It used to be a narrow strip of grass between a wall and the road but the old wall was removed and a new one built further back. The area was cultivated and grass sown but the snowdrops are still there.
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Lovely bright sunshine this afternoon.
First up Aunt Nellie Danglers, one of Andy Byfield's specials. Clumping nicely and quite early as well. Started as a single bulb, in 2017.
Next Dryad Nursery Clone Wars, a group of Anne Wright's specials she has asked me to evaluate. Lovely bright yellows in the winter sun.
Finally, an unnamed Woronowii looking quite pleasing.
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Galanthus nivalis floreplena. The first two are at the door of a derelict farmhouse. The third one in grass by the roadside. It used to be a narrow strip of grass between a wall and the road but the old wall was removed and a new one built further back. The area was cultivated and grass sown but the snowdrops are still there.
This is incredibly early for any form of Galanthus nivalis. Could this be a hybrid with some other snowdrop species?
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One year we found a double form of G. nivalis flowering in a local wood on the 26. of December. Though unusual, it´s possible despite the less clement climate of Germany.
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I am perfectly prepared to believe that you may get the odd freak result when it comes to early-flowering. I have found that bulbs that were moved earlier in the year may flower earlier than usual but revert to normal in subsequent years. I myself have a single nivalis that consistently flowers quite early in January and others of this type are known, although they are rare. There are a few double snowdrops that flower early, the earliest being 'Faringdon Double' which will flower in November or December, followed by 'Richard Ayres' and others in January. These are hybrids, or probably so.
Roma is quite far north in Scotland. In my opinion a nivalis flowering in December there is very noteworthy and should be brought into cultivation if possible.
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I think it unlikely this is anything other than a seasonal aberration. Last winter was long and wet then we had a very dry spring and summer followed by a so far mainly mild end of year which may have affected the snowdrops. The ones in the grass by the roadside could have been disturbed when the original wall was removed and the ground cultivated before sowing grass. The double nivalis I have in my garden used to flower much earlier than it does now. My grandfather built the original house here about 1922 and the houses where the snowdrops are would have predated this so it is likely they were passed around. I have not seen any snowdrops other than double nivalis in local gardens (apart from mine).
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Many years ago a Dutch galanthophile mentioned that double G. nivalis flowesr rather late. The clone I got from our elderly neighbour usually flowers well before the bulk of single G. nivalis. The double ones are often found in older gardens of our area, and occasionally in some of our small woods, where they were disposed together with other garden waste. You´ll also find single snowdrops there, mostly a clone which bulks well but seldom sets seed.
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First time in my garden: Galanthus elwesii. These are supposed to perform better in my climate, let's see what future brings, but for now they look beautiful, more shoots are coming through.
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Glad to see those, Jaime - an old friend is hoping his galanthus will settle to life in Madeira.
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Thank you Maggi, very happy with my Galanthus for now.
Madeira has different climates, also altitude and humid atlantic climate, it can change whether the slopes are facing south or north. I'm sure your friend will be able to cope with those conditions, and avoid the driest land...I belive virtualy anything can grow in Madeira. In fact, my friend Michael who lives there is also trying to grow Galanthus in the island, He brought some bulbs from the UK and, as I've been told, they are in flower right now. ;D
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Thank you Maggi, very happy with my Galanthus for now.
Madeira has different climates, also altitude and humid atlantic climate, it can change whether the slopes are facing south or north. I'm sure your friend will be able to cope with those conditions, and avoid the driest land...I belive virtualy anything can grow in Madeira. In fact, my friend Michael who lives there is also trying to grow Galanthus in the island, He brought some bulbs from the UK and, as I've been told, they are in flower right now. ;D
Same friend, Jaime!! I've known Michael for many years since first meeting him here in the Forum!
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The cottage garden doubles round here are mostly late flowering. About now I go round marking pots with nothing showing, just to keep an eye on them. One pot* of doubles, from my own garden has, as expected, currently nothing visible.
I have deeds to the cottage from 1860, but no idea when the snowdrops were planted.
*i.e. mesh pot buried in the ground just to help me find the things for dormant removals.
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Things are VERY early here - struggling to hold things back so they will wait for our events in February - I could have started listing my Dryad Golds before Christmas! Anyway, gearing up for the next few days so we can be off to a racing start with the Golds straight after the New Year :D
One young lady couldn't wait and was helping herself to Dryad Gold Sovereign today.
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Same friend, Jaime!! I've known Michael for many years since first meeting him here in the Forum!
Something was telling me this was the same person, but could be a different one. :D It would be nice having Michael telling about his expirience with galanthus in Madeira, I'm sure in the future we will hear about it! <3
First day of forst this season in here (later this year), this will be good for Galanthus and other bulbs growing in mild climate.
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A Very Happy Hogmanay to all my Scottish friends!
Here are two lovely Scottish drops from last year, about to flower in the next week or so!
Lady Alice and Eyebright Early!
Have a good one! ;D ;D
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My Glenorma is showing slight fasciation again. Another problem, evidenced here, is that the petals quite often have skid marks on, since the spathe does not always protect the petals whilst the scape is emerging from the soil. I have considered top dressing my Glenorma with an inch of coarse sand to combat this trait!
Tim DH