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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: GordonT on April 28, 2018, 01:20:43 PM
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Although it is too early for bloom, I really like the new growth on Peonies. This bloom season will be especially gratifying as Paeonia daurica subsp. mlokosewitschii is set to bloom for the first time.
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I know it doesn't look like much, but this has been a plant on my want list for years, and this mail ordered seedling has taken its sweet time even getting to this size! Thankfully not all the peonies are so slow to get to blooming size. Last year, I added Paeonia x 'Kamata Nishiki' to the growing collection of tree peonies here. It is set to produce at least two blooms this year.
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Paeonia emodii
Paeonia tenuifolia ssp. lithophilia
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My first-to-flower peony here opened on 22nd and despite a week of rain is still hanging on. It is the first flower on a seedling plant, unfortunately the label is badly faded; I thought it said wittmanniana but P. obovata alba is more likely - from AGS seed.[attachimg=1][attachimg=2]
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Super foliage, Gail!
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Looking at the leaves it cannot be P. wittmanniana, but P. obovata seems to be correct. My P. obovata just finished flowering, as well as many other Paeonia species.
Just started to flower in my garden is P. officinalis 'Alba Plena' and a seedling of P. officinalis, as well as P. tenuifolia 'Rubra Plena'. Another seedling of P. officinalis which flowers in bright rose and fades to white when finished with flowering is just over now.
Attached the mother plant P. officinalis (this year the first flower showed some darker stripes, like there was some damage in the cells), my bright rose P. officinalis seedling (3rd year of flowering) and the P. officinalis 'Alba Plena'.
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A couple of chinese Paeonia in flower.
Paeonia jishanensis -An attractive dwarf “Tree Peony” which is sometimes regarded as a subspecies of suffruticosa but is much more compact.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/963/26964528577_3236a217e1_o_d.jpg)
Paeonia sinjiangensis -I’m not sure of the validity of the name. This is said to be a synonym of anomala but this chinese plant looks different from the other anomala that I have seen.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/977/26964528477_7a2abce1a2_o_d.jpg)
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Paeonia tenuifolia ssp. lithophila
Expecting temps in the high 80's to 90. Should turn the flowers to crisps.
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Paeonia tenuifolia ssp. lithophila
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Some seedlings which are currently in flower in my garden. First 2 are P. x rockii seedlings, the last one is a P. delavayi seedling.
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It is lovely to see how advanced your peonies are, compared to mine in Aberdeen.
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chinese hybrids i saw this afternoon in a park
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Could someone please advise me on when to transplant Paeonia seedlings (most are now 2 years old)? My P. Mairei and P. mlokosewitschii have seeded around and I would like to move them to other locations in the garden. Are they as sensative as the mature plants?
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Could someone please advise me on when to transplant Paeonia seedlings (most are now 2 years old)? My P. Mairei and P. mlokosewitschii have seeded around and I would like to move them to other locations in the garden. Are they as sensative as the mature plants?
Personally I've never considered even mature peonies as particularly sensitive (except that I've killed P. brownii and P. clusii - to my shame). I work on the principle that I move them when I think of it - if a friend has admired a plant in flower I have sometimes taken a spade to a plant there and then and divided while in full flower; cut the flowers off for cut flowers and reduce the foliage by about half to reduce transpiration while the roots recover. I'm sure the plants don't particularly enjoy it but they invariably survive. So I may move seedlings now, just watering in well if our three-day summer looks likely to last any longer. But if there is no urgent need to move them yet I expect the plants would prefer autumn or spring.
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I agree, Gail. I have several pots of seedlings which germinated this spring and I will be separating them out and potting on quite soon. I have never had any trouble doing this.
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Also I have separated peony seedlings in the spring, usually in their second spring (or first autumn), and often they have already started to grow, but they continue growing if you are careful. I think peony seedlings are not difficult (but I have lost many seedlings during winter if they are not well rooted, freezing ground lifts the roots up and the freeze to death).
I have planted and moved peonies in autumn and in spring, and if they are not divided too small, they do well also in the spring. The best time in my conditions to move/divide a peony is late summer though I know that in books late autumn is best. I have planted many divisions in September and October, then moved them in the spring and noticed that here peonies planted in October don't grow any new roots. I think it is too cold for them then. If I have potted divisions in late autumn and looked at the pots in the spring I see that they start to grow new small roots only after the weather warms up, above +10C, I think, but haven't grown any during winter.
Most of the time a peony planted in late autumn (here) doesn't have strength to grow well the first summer, but they grow new roots then and maybe the second year they may flower. However, if I plant or move it in late August, or early September (at the latest) it will do much better the next year.
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Thanks all for the advice. I will move them soon and they will have all summer to settle in. :)
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Most Paeonia are now faded. Just the last ones are in flower, especially the tree peonies.
Paeonia anomala
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Paeonia veichii
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Paeonia saueri
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Paeonia peregrina
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Paeonia mlokosewitschii
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Also most Peony species have finished flowering for this year; only the different P. delavayi are in flower. Soon the P. lactiflora hybrids will start to flower. Here some P. delavayi flowers (i.e. different colours).[attachimg=1][attachimg=2][attachimg=3]
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Very beautiful peonies flowers from all. Cannot wait for my young ones to flower!
Leena - also thanks, I have a pot full of P. peregrina 2 years old and was wondering the other day if to transplant the whole pot in a bigger one or in the ground. I noticed also for other species that moving/dividing later than September is always a risk, should I say a disaster in case of a snowless or super cold winter.
P. saueri - that's something new! very similar with peregrina.
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Leena - also thanks, I have a pot full of P. peregrina 2 years old and was wondering the other day if to transplant the whole pot in a bigger one or in the ground.
Gabriela, for me P.peregrina and other related species are more difficult than P.dauricas, P.weitchii and quadruple hybrids (which are usually very easy and vigorous peonies), but I think when they are small they are better to handle than when they are bigger. My soil has not enough lime and P.peregrina and such get easily root diseases in my garden (even with added lime).
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Gabriela, for me P.peregrina and other related species are more difficult than P.dauricas, P.weitchii and quadruple hybrids (which are usually very easy and vigorous peonies), but I think when they are small they are better to handle than when they are bigger. My soil has not enough lime and P.peregrina and such get easily root diseases in my garden (even with added lime).
Thanks again Leena.
It is the first time I have peregrina; hope I won't kill the seedlings. I know the regions where it grows wild in Romania and indeed it needs calcareous substrate and super good drainage. It also likes very hot summers - something that is not a problem here in most years!
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at home, the best time to separate or transplant the peonies is the month is early September, see end of August. at another time, they die (I have a very compact land).
already at the end of September, we can see that they have developed long new roots in depth which it is unfortunate to disturb.
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Paeonia delavayi, a very compact shape 60 cm high. it becomes more yellow after
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This year some of my P. delavayi seedlings flowered, which seeds I harvested in autumn 2016; so 1.5 years after the harvest, I got already a first impression how the flowers are looking. One I have already posted earlier (yellow-orange with a red margin); here is another one.
In addition I have a seedling with dotted petals. The mother plant I bought once under the name 'Bucky Bella' (but this is not registered). All other seedlings from the same year of this plant showed so far uniform colour +/- same as the mother plant.[attachimg=1][attachimg=2]
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I grew this Paeonia from seed and it flowered recently for the first time this year. My label is long gone, as has the flower, but I wonder if someone might be able to tell me what it is please?
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David, the leaves with the red leaf veins remind me on P. cambessedesii (also the leaves itself are very similar); would this be possible?
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Many thanks for responding Jurg. When it was in flower I thought it had a strong look of Paeonia cambessedesii and I am sure you are correct.
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This year some of my P. delavayi seedlings flowered, which seeds I harvested in autumn 2016; so 1.5 years after the harvest, I got already a first impression how the flowers are looking. One I have already posted earlier (yellow-orange with a red margin); here is another one.
In addition I have a seedling with dotted petals. The mother plant I bought once under the name 'Bucky Bella' (but this is not registered). All other seedlings from the same year of this plant showed so far uniform colour +/- same as the mother plant. (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)
Your delavayi seedlings are strangely beautiful, Jürg! I never saw any coloured like Yours.
´Bucky Bella´may be the Dutch way to write ´Buckeye Belle´. Once I ordered a peony offered in a Dutch catalogue under ´Bucky Bella´which looked like ´Buckeye Belle´ on their picture. Yet the peony I received turned out to be ´Duchesse de Nemours´.
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Mariette, thank you for your comments.
Concerning the P. delavayi seedlings, I guess they may change a bit in the next years, as it was the first year they flowered (and they are only 1.5 years old).
Concerning P. 'Bucky Bella', I also looked at pictures of P. 'Buckeye Belle', but they are darker in colour than my plant and look a bit different (i.e. my plant has always single flowers with only 10 or a few more petals; the colour of the attached picture looks a bit too bright due to sunshine).
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I was in Greece last week on a Naturetrek trip to Delphi which was brilliant; 11 of us on the tour including the two Greek and one English guide. The Greek guys had looked somewhat alarmed on the first night when they asked what people wanted out of the trip and I flourished a picture of Paeonia parnassica at them, but after a great deal of phoning friends of friends they found out where they grew and by some miracle they were actually still in flower when we visited (4th June, ideal time would probably have been a week or two earlier).
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For sure you was lucky to see this species so late, usually at Parnassos they're faded third week of may.
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Gai, how lucky you were! That is a wonderful colour. :)
It is good to see the habitat.
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The three species peonies that we grow have flowered again this year (no late frosts!).
In flower today is what I received as Paeonia mlokosewitschii though it has pink flowers
cheers
fermi
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I'm no expert Fermi but mlokosewitschii is now a subspecies of Peaonia daurica and your plant looks to me very much like P. daurica ssp. coriifolia.
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We have had here in Central Europe a really dry year. Since April there was not much rain. That is the reason why the peonies stopped growing in June and after we got some rain in August and September, the P. delavayi's started to grow again (i.e. the buds developed leaves). Only one P. delavayi seedling also produced 3 flower buds, which now started to flower. Here is a picture of this flower (it is the first time this seedling flowered, so I guess, the flower colour will be slightly different in the following years).
I have another plant, a tree peony, which I bought two years ago (should flower yellow), and which did not flower so far. But also this plant started to grow again a few weeks ago and has now 2 flower buds (but so far it is not visible in which colour they will flower). It will probably take another week or two until they will open.
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We have had here in Central Europe a really dry year. Since April there was not much rain. That is the reason why the peonies stopped growing in June and after we got some rain in August and September, the P. delavayi's started to grow again (i.e. the buds developed leaves). Only one P. delavayi seedling also produced 3 flower buds, which now started to flower. Here is a picture of this flower (it is the first time this seedling flowered, so I guess, the flower colour will be slightly different in the following years).
I have another plant, a tree peony, which I bought two years ago (should flower yellow), and which did not flower so far. But also this plant started to grow again a few weeks ago and has now 2 flower buds (but so far it is not visible in which colour they will flower). It will probably take another week or two until they will open.
I never had this in the past, that peonies developed flowering buds in autumn.
What a crazy year - I've never seen such late flowers on a peony.
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I've 2 plants which are producing buds, such as helleborus. In which state the plants will be after the "winter"...a real unknown
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Grows very nice! it is a small tree peony and difficult to set the seeds.
A couple of chinese Paeonia in flower.
Paeonia jishanensis -An attractive dwarf “Tree Peony” which is sometimes regarded as a subspecies of suffruticosa but is much more compact.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/963/26964528577_3236a217e1_o_d.jpg)
Paeonia sinjiangensis -I’m not sure of the validity of the name. This is said to be a synonym of anomala but this chinese plant looks different from the other anomala that I have seen.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/977/26964528477_7a2abce1a2_o_d.jpg)