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Plant Identification => Plant Identification Questions and Answers => Topic started by: Peter Edge on March 21, 2018, 08:57:50 PM

Title: Thalictrum? Yunnan Alpine Plant 2017
Post by: Peter Edge on March 21, 2018, 08:57:50 PM

I was wondering whether anyone had any ideas about this plant seen on scree slopes at Tian Bao Shan, Yunnan Province, China in 2018? These are cropped photos and I can send more detailed ones...

Title: Re: Thalictrum? Yunnan Alpine Plant 2017
Post by: arisaema on March 22, 2018, 01:51:47 AM

Thalictrum squamiferum, I believe.

Title: Re: Thalictrum? Yunnan Alpine Plant 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on March 22, 2018, 01:21:03 PM

Thanks for your answer to Peter,  Bjornar - I hoped you would see the question!

 Photo here :

http://flora.huh.harvard.edu/china/delta/Thalictrum/images/squamiferum.jpg (http://flora.huh.harvard.edu/china/delta/Thalictrum/images/squamiferum.jpg)

Title: Re: Thalictrum? Yunnan Alpine Plant 2017
Post by: Peter Edge on March 22, 2018, 05:34:01 PM

Hi Maggi and Bjorner,

Thank you for this and for your prompt reply. It seems very much like it. The photo of T. squamiferum seems to have darker calyces than from the plants that I have photographed which appear more creamy. Do you think that this is natural variation?

Title: Re: Thalictrum? Yunnan Alpine Plant 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on March 22, 2018, 05:45:30 PM

I would think so, Peter.  Very few plants  are without  quite a high level of natural variation.

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200008246 (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200008246)

http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrIRlUS67NavQkApG13Bwx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBydWZibG83BGNvbG8DaXIyBHBvcwM4BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--/RV=2/RE=1521769363/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fflora.huh.harvard.edu%2fchina%2fPDF%2fPDF06%2fTHALICTRUM.pdf/RK=2/RS=PKr39l8o2foEhgA_P8zQ8NNl6T4- (http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrIRlUS67NavQkApG13Bwx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBydWZibG83BGNvbG8DaXIyBHBvcwM4BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--/RV=2/RE=1521769363/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fflora.huh.harvard.edu%2fchina%2fPDF%2fPDF06%2fTHALICTRUM.pdf/RK=2/RS=PKr39l8o2foEhgA_P8zQ8NNl6T4-)

Title: Re: Thalictrum? Yunnan Alpine Plant 2017
Post by: arisaema on March 23, 2018, 02:21:49 AM

Peter;

It looks like the plant in your photograph already dropped it's pollen, what time did you go? I could still see some of the paths you had walked when I was there on July 11th.

Title: Re: Thalictrum? Yunnan Alpine Plant 2017
Post by: Peter Edge on March 26, 2018, 09:35:41 PM

Perfectly identified- thank you very much for this! We were there on Friday the 17th of June, 2016. It was a very enjoyable day for plants with plenty of scree plants identified and found. Where we found this was the highest altitude that we attained on that day.

I hope you found it an enjoyable place to explore as well. Did you see anything really interesting!?

Title: Re: Thalictrum? Yunnan Alpine Plant 2017
Post by: Afloden on March 26, 2018, 10:45:59 PM

I agree, and squamiferum is actually quite easy to grow in the garden in humid and hot eastern Tennessee (USA) conditions. It has persisted and flowered well for nearly 10 years from a Jurasek seed collection.